Emily_Bird - Victoria

[holland]

I thought she was going to say 'yes I'm a post op TS..sorry guys'. 

What she says is irrelevant. We write think and act as we want within the site rules.
If she doesn't like it she shouldn't read ukpunting.

[DylanPerry]

cock and bull story.

[Fuzzyduck]

cock and bull story.

 

[holland]

This is the pussy of a recognised post op trans of AW.

Same discoloration around the vagina

100% a bloke

This thumbnail is from her profile.

You can see clearly her skin discoloured around 'her pussy' and the scars

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https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=177262.0

[winkywanky]

I agree that one looks very masculine.

Although the relevant photos are very blurred, too blurred to see if that's scar tissue.

The photos from the girl the OP refers to are a lot clearer and to my eyes, seem to show discoloration rather than scar tissue.

[Fuzzyduck]

I agree that one looks very masculine.

Although the relevant photos are very blurred, too blurred to see if that's scar tissue.

The photos from the girl the OP refers to are a lot clearer and to my eyes, seem to show discoloration rather than scar tissue.

I think you should go check it out and report back, WW.

[JamesRockford]

I think you should go check it out and report back, WW.

"Attention please, if there a doctor on board please contact the cabin crew"

[A Decent Fist]

Well I like pre-op trans escorts among many other kinds so seeing any post-op girl would not bother me whether or not she comes clean about it.

Emily Bird looks pretty attractive to me and the last line of her AW blog about this debate makes me think she's worth seeing if only because she's got a sense of humour:

If ever had a cock between my legs, trust me, I would have kept it!

[winkywanky]

I think you should go check it out and report back, WW.

I don't think so! 

Either pretty women (or just recently) a very feminine TS for me 

[winkywanky]

Getting back to thread, the lightened area around the arsehole and up the perineum towards the pussy, if there had been gender reassignment surgery, that wouldn't in any way involve the ringpiece AFAIK? So why is there lightening around the ringpiece?

I think that's probably more to do with bleaching the area (which some girls do) or perhaps a side efeect of repeated use of Veet?

[JamesRockford]

Yes she had an excellent sense of humour when I met her, genuinely witty and playful. Not a typical girl, whether she's post op or not.

If you see her it would be fascinating to hear your views.  We should really crowd fund you! I didn't think I'll see her again, it would be too stressful.

[winkywanky]

For the reasons stated James, I probably won't be. However, I can't help thinking that as you're so chilled about the whole business, you might like to try a gorgeous TS, like wot I have 

[JamesRockford]

Well, I'm chilled about having seen her as it was a goodish experience at the time - it was what it was. 

However, I wouldn't knowingly go to see a TS as it holds no particular fascination for me, and there are plenty of women around.  It would only make sense if I was, for example, in prison for serious offences (of which I may or may not be innocent) for say 10 years plus.

[winkywanky]

Well, I'm chilled about having seen her as it was a goodish experience at the time - it was what it was. 

However, I wouldn't knowingly go to see a TS as it holds no particular fascination for me, and there are plenty of women around.  It would only make sense if I was, for example, in prison for serious offences (of which I may or may not be innocent) for say 10 years plus.

Horses for courses 

[winkywanky]

I do doubt you'd get any realistic-looking TSs in Wormwood Scrubs though 

[el-fei]

She has gone and debunked the claim on her Twitter and periscope. (@EmilyBi73208825): External Link/Members Only

Any thoughts? We're you all too harsh?..

[Fuzzyduck]

She has gone and debunked the claim on her Twitter and periscope. (@EmilyBi73208825): External Link/Members Only

Any thoughts? We're you all too harsh?..

You were very quick to get this post up. Were you following live?

[winkywanky]

I think something to bear in mind is just exactly who started all of this speculation: holland.

Now banned (thankfully), for being an (quote from Admin) Undesirable nasty little troll shit. That summed him up very nicely I feel.

And bearing in mind he was little more than a thinly-veiled misogynist too, I think his comments should be considered in that light. He was a shit-stirrer, and nasty with it.

Personally, I don't think there's really evidence of this girl ever having been a man, and had holland not stuck his oar in in the first place, I doubt whether anyone else would've felt that either.

[Fuzzyduck]

I think something to bear in mind is just exactly who started all of this speculation: holland.

Now banned (thankfully), for being an (quote from Admin) Undesirable nasty little troll shit. That summed him up very nicely I feel.

And bearing in mind he was little more than a thinly-veiled misogynist too, I think his comments should be considered in that light. He was a shit-stirrer, and nasty with it.

Personally, I don't think there's really evidence of this girl ever having been a man, and had holland not stuck his oar in in the first place, I doubt whether anyone else would've felt that either.

Very fair. Holland certainly initiated and fuelled the debate and, once a crowd gets their blinkers on and starts foaming at the mouth, objectivity can be lost. However, don't forget though that Axelrod contributed significantly to the discussion and I have no reason to think he has an agenda nor do I dispute what he has previously said. Whilst this recent development casts serious doubt over the previous "verdict", this kind of thing can be faked. As it stands I can only stay open-minded on the issue.

[winkywanky]

Hmm, yes, you're right, I'd forgotten how certain Axelrod had become. Although this is assuming this is who he thinks it is, based on a fleeting glimpse of a face on a video from the profile.

[el-fei]

You were very quick to get this post up. Were you following live?

No was doing a punt search by distance in the ever dry London scene and she popped up, it was in her headline that it was all on Twitter and ukp hope you're watching! so thought I'd relay it... Quite some length she's gone to and good on her!

[Fuzzyduck]

No was doing a punt search by distance in the ever dry London scene and she popped up, it was in her headline that it was all on Twitter and ukp hope you're watching! so thought I'd relay it... Quite some length she's gone to and good on her!

Well, if you pardon the pun, she's got some balls for sure. The latest blog entry certainly puts it out there.

Hmm, yes, you're right, I'd forgotten how certain Axelrod had become. Although this is assuming this is who he thinks it is, based on a fleeting glimpse of a face on a video from the profile.

Agreed.
If it is who Axelrod thinks it is, then Emily almost certainly knows who he is in civvieland. He's outed; she's verified as TS
If it isn't then, perhaps an apology is due since there must be an impact on her (financial and emotional).
 

[DylanPerry]

Right, let me speak up. Saw thread developments "today" (yesterday, Tuesday) but only just had time to check this twitter et al.

Firstly, re-reading the reviews and discussion from back in November...I notice that the recently departed holland and mrhappypants made comments. Some would say not a good look, but it's always good to consider context first. Holland simply 'started' the speculation by pointing out the very dubious vag pics, which we can all see for ourselves is a genuine point.

Emily's retorts
- I made comments on the thread before (his)her first blog post on 22nd Nov. Not sure why (he)she is only just making reference to my comments now.
- Surely if it bothered (him)her so much (he)she would have monitored threads as so many WGs do. I find it hard to belive that (he)she did not check the threads for two months, and then only came across them again two months later after googling her number?
- Which leads on to this 2 month gap. Skeptic would say it took a bit of time to come up with and arrange the cover, ey.
- Leads to...of course such documentation can be faked. Instead of working during University I pretty much made a living out of producing various documents.
We can play conspiracy til the cows come home. External Link/Members Only why is a paper fresh off the printer, crushed? Etc 
- I note (he)she doesn't understand the difference between egg count and follicle count ("I have 12 eggs" 🤦). Even I know the difference, and I have to rack my brain back to GCSE Bio for that one. Some would say, a woman who has been on the receiving end of female sex ed from mother and the education system over the years, and has taken the customary medical checks for years, would know the difference also 


I have no horse in this race. Regardless, if (he)she is the person I think they are, the topless picture shared on here alone has me 0% attracted. I would never punt, even if genuine woman. 


Whole thing is probably best summarised by:

What made you think that she would admit of being a TS, Post-OP? 

Some very reasonable grounds have been pointed out to suspect that she's a Post-OP. Make your own mind.

Lastly,

If it is who Axelrod thinks it is, then Emily almost certainly knows who he is in civvieland. He's outed; she's verified as TS
If it isn't then, perhaps an apology is due since there must be an impact on her (financial and emotional).
 

Not at all. Feel free to DM me and I shall tell you where I believe I know (him)her from. When I tell you, it will be clear why it's ambiguous if I don't say, but whittles it down if I do.
Also I note that I did acknowledge the fact that there is a chance that I could be mistaken by the "fleeting glimpse" as winkywanky calls it:

I think I may loosely know him/her

Almost definitely is who I thought it was.

Whichever way, I shall not be offering any apology as things stand, sorry 

Again,

Some very reasonable grounds have been pointed out to suspect that she's a Post-OP. Make your own mind.

[Fuzzyduck]

Not at all. Feel free to DM me and I shall tell you where I believe I know (him)her from. When I tell you, it will be clear why it's ambiguous if I don't say, but whittles it down if I do.

Sorry if you inferred I expected you to apologise. I did not mean that at all: only that if you were mistaken then an apology would probably be due. You stand by your previous comments. End of.

[winkywanky]

You've been as clear as you can be Axelrod, and I certainly don't doubt your intentions from what you've said.

You can only speak as you find, and you've done that in an equitable way.

[oinki]

I think the main crux she would have would be the fact that this is flagged as TS. Anyone not seeking post op providers would probably avoid her which leads to decrease in business. Makes sense to me for her then to try to prove that she is a she from a business perspective. Not going to go into the conspiracy / speculations given that one can dispute everything on the net.

Would not surprise me if this profile is deleted and reappear as something else.

[JamesRockford]

Oinki, you and I have both written reviews on her. It's a difficult area, and I also got swept along in the discussion and assumed that she was a TS. There's no TS verification procedure on our forum or on AW!

Anyway, I've learned:
- There are indeed TS providers out there who don't declare their status
- some TS providers look like the real thing
- we shouldn't rush to conclusions purely on the basis of photographs

I probably wouldn't see Emily anyway because of her price structure, and the chemistry, but she was extremely convenient for me, got very excited, and was quite funny.

[oinki]

Oinki, you and I have both written reviews on her. It's a difficult area, and I also got swept along in the discussion and assumed that she was a TS. There's no TS verification procedure on our forum or on AW!

Anyway, I've learned:
- There are indeed TS providers out there who don't declare their status
- some TS providers look like the real thing
- we shouldn't rush to conclusions purely on the basis of photographs

I probably wouldn't see Emily anyway because of her price structure, and the chemistry, but she was extremely convenient for me, got very excited, and was quite funny.

I could not agree more - one shall live and learn. Defintely entering into punts more carefully nowadays following the discussion!

[A Decent Fist]

I would be astonished if she'd faked all that evidence about womb and uterus exams. Someone who was really post-op and not owning up would just ignore this thread but with Emily the allegation seems to have really got to her.

My personal view is that she's done enough to have the (TS) part of this thread's name deleted while the discussion here remains for anyone to make their own mind up. As a trustee, or whatever we're called, I have the ability to change the name but I feel it needs a higher authority.

No idea if the admin is following this debate but ideally it would be his call. Either that or the OP.

[NightKid]

There are armchair TS catcallers on UKP aplenty in case one hasn't already noticed, so it would be wise to take their idiotic statements with a bag of salt until you see hard evidence proving otherwise.

Which, by the way, does not include speculative photos or ignorant conjectures. 

[DylanPerry]

I've been told that Emily (maybe or maybe not a) Bird sent a few tweets in my direction.
I have read them and in light of and in reference to those, I will say my final two points on the matter:
-We have already deciphered that I acknowledged in steps along the way, most importantly during my initial post on the matter, that it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the person I have in mind is not this Emily.
- Irrespective of that fact, note that MOST IMPORTANTLY, the changing of subject to TS was not done or advised by me. Nor was it even based on my comments surrounding the potential civvy life link (this forum would never consider that "evidence," especially while I did not elaborate on specifics). It was done based off the pics. Whether it was by admin himself, is not known by me. One could go back in the Moderation Log to clarify.

As said, I have no horse in this race. Numerous members commented on the body (not just the vag) as manly. Including before my comment. Enough said.
Won't waste any more time on this shit. Probably trying to reel me into outing my identity so you can expose me as a punter. lol

Once again:

Some very reasonable grounds have been pointed out to suspect that she's a Post-OP. Make your own mind.

[oinki]

I would be astonished if she'd faked all that evidence about womb and uterus exams. Someone who was really post-op and not owning up would just ignore this thread but with Emily the allegation seems to have really got to her.

My personal view is that she's done enough to have the (TS) part of this thread's name deleted while the discussion here remains for anyone to make their own mind up. As a trustee, or whatever we're called, I have the ability to change the name but I feel it needs a higher authority.

No idea if the admin is following this debate but ideally it would be his call. Either that or the OP.

Im of the exact opinion, unless there is some convulated reverse psychology in play but seems astonishing (and to be honest if so, then hats off).

I would be ok for this to be changed back to remove the TS, I think the id is already linked to a ts thread so any punter looking in the forum would get the potential mark and be able to make their mind up themselves - considering this discussion.

[A Decent Fist]

OK, subject changed

[JamesRockford]

Thanks for changing subject title.

Unfortunately we all indulged in a bit of Groupthink, myself included!

[Kev40ish]

Im of the exact opinion, unless there is some convulated reverse psychology in play but seems astonishing (and to be honest if so, then hats off).

I would be ok for this to be changed back to remove the TS, I think the id is already linked to a ts thread so any punter looking in the forum would get the potential mark and be able to make their mind up themselves - considering this discussion.

Maybe it should be moved from the TS category too?

[A Decent Fist]

Maybe it should be moved from the TS category too?

What say you, oinki?

[lewishamguy]

OK so our tranny experts here got it wrong also note that she does have External Link/Members Only

[Emily_Bird]

Finally after months of waiting I have access to the site and hopefully my post will be for everyone to see.
I printed out review to look it up close and this all story had some legs because of axelrod claims to know me as trans

Axelrod quotes:

November 18
“almost definitely is who I thought it was. Small world, ey” LIE

Nowember 18
“I would love to tell you all how I know him/her but won’t. On the off chance he/she will see this thread, it was almost certainly out me lol. There would be a maximum of four people that I could be.
I wish I could share though its hilarious.
The four of us actually speculated upon hisher “true” gender and then got 100% confirmation. I actually lost money on it (I bet on true woman)” LIE

November 18
"I am thinking they somehow moved hisher anus.” LIE

November 19
“The photographic evidence is alone conclusive” LIE
“you licked a mangled up penis” LIE

November 20
“In my opinion, is very much to the most obvious end of the spectrum given the scarring” LIE I have no scarring!

January 22
‘Feel free to DM me and I shall tell you where I believe I know (him) her from” LIE

January 23
“its not beyond the realms of possibility that the person I have in mind is not this Emily”

“won’t waste any more time on this shit”

He will not waste any more time on this shit when he stirred all this shit.

I think anyone who read discussion was influenced by this guy claiming to know me. He came accross as so knowledgable about all the trans world and trying to dismiss any guy who wanted to differ for example:my vagina being wet as trans vagina can be wet too, client leaving good review as delusional.Even under negative review (the guy who has never seen me), he said you dodged a bullet. He influenced all this discussion and guys got confused! This is a tedious work to defame me.
I am phonecall away - should have face-timed me before posting all his lies.
I wanted to believe that it"s a mistaken identity, however him not facing it up, not apologising makes me differ, how he can get away with this? how many more lies he spread about other girls?

Reading reviews I feel that mostly there are decent guys - but Im not surprised that people can get confused if a guy says “almost definately is who I thought it was”!

My name has been tainted, how many clients I lost? You think all this is not causing me distress?
In first few weeks after this broke out I did not want to see clients because I thought they might be coming to watch some freak show. I did not leave flat for few days. Its always on my mind and I felt powerless.

I want to make it right - this is the least thing that I deserve.

I am prepared to travel to any admin/trustee every month while on period to be inspected (You can come to me also, or just face time me). I do not want any links with TS because its still damaging and I already suffered enough.

[Kev40ish]

I’m not sure who changed the Category from TS.
But I think it was the right decision tbh.
JamesR do you think your review should have the TS removed from her title?

[JamesRockford]

I’m not sure who changed the Category from TS.
But I think it was the right decision tbh.
JamesR do you think your review should have the TS removed from her title?

Yes I think that the TS thing should be removed. I'm sorry to say that I was one of those suggesting that it be added, to alert other punters. Seems like many of us got carried away due to our lack of knowledge.

[oinki]

Yes I think that the TS thing should be removed. I'm sorry to say that I was one of those suggesting that it be added, to alert other punters. Seems like many of us got carried away due to our lack of knowledge.

At that time, I also think it was the right move. This is a punters forum so appropriate warnings should be there.

Its quite amusing to see the people that have seen the wg are both caught in the herd mentality though, so clearly there were valid points but doesnt help when there is someone claiming to know the person (normally statements like those are ignored, so I think I will just do that going forward regardless of the number of posts someone has!).

[JamesRockford]

"It Ain’t What You Don’t Know That Gets You Into Trouble. It’s What You Know for Sure that Just Ain’t So" - Mark Twain

[Kev40ish]

Its quite amusing to see the people that have seen the wg are both caught in the herd mentality though, so clearly there were valid points but doesnt help when there is someone claiming to know the person (normally statements like those are ignored, so I think I will just do that going forward regardless of the number of posts someone has!).

It was axelrod saying he was almost certain he knew the girl that made it more believable.
People like Holland I tended to ignore anyway as he was just an arse.

I just don’t see Emily going through all this if she was making it up, so willing to give her the benefit of doubt.

All reviews have been changed and recategorized.