Lenient sentence ?

[Kev3773]

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Just for future reference when she went by Miss Jo Jo before Georgie and Jorgie should you want to avoid.

[Lewwy]

How did they know she was 16 ?

It makes little difference; if you pay for sex with someone under 18 then you have committed an offence. I think there is a defence that you reasonably believed the person to be 18 but that definitely doesn't apply if the person has been trafficked, coerced or forced. You don't even have to know that they have been forced or trafficked - you still commit the offence.

[Lewwy]

That's the thing. If one had sex with her, there isn't much one can do in ones defence. Many people just rely on others to do the verify. We're quite a hands off society when it comes to all manner of verification. We assume so much because it's just easier.

Jorgie may have told agency and punters the girl was 18 and who knows, maybe the agency chased it up and realised she wasn't. I cannot think Jorgie told punters the girl was 16. That would be just horrible given what happened next.

However it would be hard not to see the girls reluctance to do stuff, like she wasn't making an effort.

I don't share your confidence in that, to be honest. Maybe she didn't tell everyone but I get a worrying feeling that some of those guys were there because of her age. And, as you say, any decent punter, especially any with a reasonable history behind him would have been able to tell that something was up. It's hardy as though the lass only saw a very few guys. I don't believe that out of 30+ guys not a single one had any suspicions about the girl, the circumstances under which she was provided to them or her demeanour when they were together. 

[Kev3773]

It makes little difference; if you pay for sex with someone under 18 then you have committed an offence. I think there is a defence that you reasonably believed the person to be 18 but that definitely doesn't apply if the person has been trafficked, coerced or forced. You don't even have to know that they have been forced or trafficked - you still commit the offence.

I wasn't commenting on the legality of it, more the inference that the punters knew she was 16 so were lowlifes. No evidence I can see of that 

[datwabbit]

I don't share your confidence in that, to be honest. Maybe she didn't tell everyone but I get a worrying feeling that some of those guys were there because of her age. And, as you say, any decent punter, especially any with a reasonable history behind him would have been able to tell that something was up. It's hardy as though the lass only saw a very few guys. I don't believe that out of 30+ guys not a single one had any suspicions about the girl, the circumstances under which she was provided to them or her demeanour when they were together.

I did wonder if any were members on here.

We've had reviews of b&s and escorts who weren't interested. You'd think that members who thought she was legit but fitted into one of those categories would have reviewed Jorgie as a negative and mentioned the girl.

[Lewwy]

Her profile is back up but set to distribute content only
 

[3rdManIn]

Currently no listings on the availability page on Premium. Also
Might explain why they stopped using the Sunderland location.
Think I tried to get a booking with Georgie once. Glad I didn’t manage.
Not clear what if anything Premium knew but clearly going to make people think twice, which is a shame because I’ve always found them to be a good agency and I always feel more comfortable than when booking indies.

[daviemac]

Currently no listings on the availability page on Premium. Also
Might explain why they stopped using the Sunderland location.
Think I tried to get a booking with Georgie once. Glad I didn’t manage.
Not clear what if anything Premium knew but clearly going to make people think twice, which is a shame because I’ve always found them to be a good agency and I always feel more comfortable than when booking indies.

They stopped using the Sunderland location long before this and the reason had nothing to do with it.

[scutty brown]

Considering how vociferous the pimp at Premium has been in defending herself here in the past, the silence from her so far is remarkable.

[3rdManIn]

They stopped using the Sunderland location long before this and the reason had nothing to do with it.

Thanks Davie. Was pure speculation on my part. Always felt the loss of the Sunderland venue - at least the central one - was a shame for those who found it easier (had a better excuse for being in the area).

[Part Timer]

Central Sunderland location was raided in lockdown, they were removed from the building

[daviemac]

Central Sunderland location was raided in lockdown, they were removed from the building

How do you know they were raided?   

[FLYING BLUE]

Considering how vociferous the pimp at Premium has been in defending herself here in the past, the silence from her so far is remarkable.

and yet, the needlessly provocative post from your good self, is no surprise at all 

[scutty brown]

and yet, the needlessly provocative post from your good self, is no surprise at all 

Given the circumstances can you think of a better term?

[FLYING BLUE]

Given the circumstances can you think of a better term?

Yes.

[daviemac]

Yes.

There's an awful lot of speculation on this thread FB, we have Part Timer who says his 'mate' saw someone who may have been the escort in question plus he seems reluctant to clarify how he knows the Sunderland location was raided, if it was, despite being back online.

I prefer to deal in verifiable facts and not make assumptions based on my own prejudices.   

[FLYING BLUE]

There's an awful lot of speculation on this thread FB, we have Part Timer who says his 'mate' saw someone who may have been the escort in question plus he seems reluctant to clarify how he knows the Sunderland location was raided, if it was, despite being back online.

I prefer to deal in verifiable facts and not make assumptions based on my own prejudices.   

Also my preferred style DM - pointless speculation is...............pointless, but let's not be hindered by facts getting in the way of a good gossip eh 

[daviemac]

Also my preferred style DM - pointless speculation is...............pointless, but let's not be hindered by facts getting in the way of a good gossip eh 

Further to that I have seen evidence that Premium were not under investigation but were witnesses for the prosecution but due to the guilty plea were not required to attend court.

[Part Timer]

I was told by a former escort of premium that they had been raided by the police during lockdown and removed from the building. They (Premium)were warned by the police not to use the apartment again or expect a big fine. Apologies for not replying earlier but my daughter is in hospital, more pressing matters to deal with.

[daviemac]

I was told by a former escort of premium that they had been raided by the police during lockdown and removed from the building. They (Premium)were warned by the police not to use the apartment again or expect a big fine. Apologies for not replying earlier but my daughter is in hospital, more pressing matters to deal with.

She was wrong, there was no 'raid' but yet again second hand information is being posted as fact.

Hope you're daughter's OK.

[Addicted65]

I also think that the silence from the agency involved speaks volumes. Whatever the speculation is the fact remains that they employed a young lady without proof of age . Quite shameful imho and something they should have been investigated and prosecuted for. They have failed in their obligations and put a 16 year old at severe risk.

[Kev3773]

I also think that the silence from the agency involved speaks volumes. Whatever the speculation is the fact remains that they employed a young lady without proof of age . Quite shameful imho and something they should have been investigated and prosecuted for. They have failed in their obligations and put a 16 year old at severe risk.

The police were involved and were satisfied with the Agencies involvement? If they weren't they would have been prosecuted.

[FLYING BLUE]

I also think that the silence from the agency involved speaks volumes. Whatever the speculation is the fact remains that they employed a young lady without proof of age . Quite shameful imho and something they should have been investigated and prosecuted for. They have failed in their obligations and put a 16 year old at severe risk.

Quote from DavieMac a couple of posts above - Further to that I have seen evidence that Premium were not under investigation but were witnesses for the prosecution but due to the guilty plea were not required to attend court.

This is fact, not speculation

[daviemac]

I also think that the silence from the agency involved speaks volumes. Whatever the speculation is the fact remains that they employed a young lady without proof of age . Quite shameful imho and something they should have been investigated and prosecuted for. They have failed in their obligations and put a 16 year old at severe risk.

You are speculating and posting something you don't know to be true and you are totally wrong. They were investigated and following examinations of all agency phones, the escort's phone and the girl's phone, were found to have done nothing wrong, they made statements and were going to be called as prosecution witnesses but they weren't needed due to the guilty plea.

Provide solid evidence that they did employ the girl without proof of age or stop making unfounded allegations.

As far as their silence is concerned, in the past whenever an agency have defended themselves on here the thread has descended into a slagging match with a certain section of agency haters using it to voice their dislike of them. Instead of that happening they have forwarded irrefutable evidence to me that they were in fact purely witnesses and that information has been relayed on this thread.   

[datwabbit]

Speculation not fact - the escort passed on agency bookings to the 16yo when she trusted the punter not to tell the agency, if she told the punter the girl was 18.

Agency wouldn't have known.

The whole punting booking approach is clouded in assumptions and restricting information so it's not unfeasible that the agency did not know about bookings.

[daviemac]

I would just like to add that I have built up a level of trust not only with agencies but several independent escorts as well some members on here. As a result they are happy to forward me things that quite often contain personal information, if that level of trust did not exist abusive cunts like Sar-Major would be free to carry on using this site as a tool to aid their abusive ways.

I am not prepared to breach any trust placed in me, if I am told something in confidence it stays that way.

I have made the facts known I can’t make the doubters believe them.

[datwabbit]

I would just like to add that I have built up a level of trust not only with agencies but several independent escorts as well some members on here. As a result they are happy to forward me things that quite often contain personal information, if that level of trust did not exist abusive cunts like Sar-Major would be free to carry on using this site as a tool to aid their abusive ways.

I am not prepared to breach any trust placed in me, if I am told something in confidence it stays that way.

I have made the facts known I can’t make the doubters believe them.

No idea how long SM was up to his tricks but the source must have reached quite a point of high level of trust/desperation/frustration/worry to feel they had to come out against a popular member. You could have simply not believed them whatever was said.

Thread now back on track...

[Addicted65]

You are speculating and posting something you don't know to be true and you are totally wrong. They were investigated and following examinations of all agency phones, the escort's phone and the girl's phone, were found to have done nothing wrong, they made statements and were going to be called as prosecution witnesses but they weren't needed due to the guilty plea.

Provide solid evidence that they did employ the girl without proof of age or stop making unfounded allegations.

As far as their silence is concerned, in the past whenever an agency have defended themselves on here the thread has descended into a slagging match with a certain section of agency haters using it to voice their dislike of them. Instead of that happening they have forwarded irrefutable evidence to me that they were in fact purely witnesses and that information has been relayed on this thread.

The article in the paper state that pictures were taken of the girl in her underwear and sent to the agency telling them she was 18.Within days bookings had been made . Later the girl saw 12 of her own clients followed by four or five of walkers.

What happened between the photos being sent and the first client being booked is not stated.

However if the agency had requested legal proof of age, eg passport , driving license etc then they would have known her actual age.

Employing an “18 year old” escort on someone’s word and without proof, is not very responsible in my opinion.

[daviemac]

The article in the paper state that pictures were taken of the girl in her underwear and sent to the agency telling them she was 18.Within days bookings had been made . Later the girl saw 12 of her own clients followed by four or five of walkers.

What happened between the photos being sent and the first client being booked is not stated.

However if the agency had requested legal proof of age, eg passport , driving license etc then they would have known her actual age.

Employing an “18 year old” escort on someone’s word and without proof, is not very responsible in my opinion.

Pointless getting into an argument over it, no matter what the truth is some will chose not to believe it but I do prefer to hear the truth before commenting.

Fact - The police Complex Abuse Crime Unit investigated the situation including the agency's involvement.

Fact - The police Complex Abuse Crime Unit took statements from June as a witness in the case not as a suspect.

Fact - The CPS prosecuted Tyler as the only defendant and she subsequently pleaded guilty.

Regardless of what the newspapers say or how they try to embellish it they are the facts.

BTW I had never heard of the Complex Abuse Crime Unit before this.   

[daviemac]

No idea how long SM was up to his tricks but the source must have reached quite a point of high level of trust/desperation/frustration/worry to feel they had to come out against a popular member. You could have simply not believed them whatever was said.

Thread now back on track...

Just a quick note on this, it took one escort to be persuaded to report him for the truth to come out, once that happened loads more sent me information about him. Thankfully they felt they could confide in me.

To be honest you wouldn't believe who some of the escorts were who felt so intimidated by him they kept it to themselves. The fear instilled in them that they wouldn't be believed over such an established member being the main factor.

[trainspotter]

We all have our questions about this sordid affair but just have to accept that they won't be answered. Like many, I have some suppositions but pointless to speculate as has been emphasised.

Everyone concerned, Jorgie, agency and punters are in some sort of hole and to come on here to discuss or explain their involvement would be a certain way of digging the hole deeper. It won't happen.

Thanks, DM, for the facts you have been able to share.

[Davey677]

Looks like she’s back on AW under a new profile going by the name of talia wood. I’m reluctant to post a link though in case if I’m wrong I’d hate to tie an innocent girls profile to this horror show of a post but tatts do look like hers

[Arfa2stroke]

Looks like she’s back on AW under a new profile going by the name of talia wood. I’m reluctant to post a link though in case if I’m wrong I’d hate to tie an innocent girls profile to this horror show of a post but tatts do look like hers

And with the mole on her neck, gotta be her

[tynetunnel]

I’m a bit late to this, but what a despicable thing to have happened to a young girl. The escort involved has plainly no morals and I’m so pleased that she has been convicted

As a customer of Premium I’m pleased that June has been vindicated.  I personally find her amiable, great at replying to enquiries and very helpful. I also genuinely believe that she cares about the punters, her girls, and of course her reputation

Thanks to DM for confirming as much as he is able whilst retaining confidentiality. It has been very useful to have things clarified and I’m happy to continue with Premium as my first choice agency

[tobyhardy2]

Is this Jorgie again under a new name?

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[tynetunnel]

Is this Jorgie again under a new name?

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I would say so, from the first pic. Although I never met her, I’m 99% sure. Good detective work 

[CaptBeef]

Yeah I’d say it was her too ……

[FLYING BLUE]

Is this Jorgie again under a new name?

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Yep, I would say it is (can't be 100% sure but, looks that way)

[Kev3773]

Yep, I would say it is (can't be 100% sure but, looks that way)

If it is her I think it's a good idea to point out every time she comes back with a new identity. That way punters can make an informed choice once they know her history. 

[johnny34]

That's definitely her, the tattoos are very distinctive 

[Lewwy]

I fucking knew I'd seen this horrible tart somewhere before, I just knew it! Something was knawing away at my brain stem since the article on her was first published!

I'm doing a business trip down there in the not too distant future so was checking out the SA prospects and look who I came across.....not literally, obviously!

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[FLYING BLUE]

I fucking knew I'd seen this horrible tart somewhere before, I just knew it! Something was knawing away at my brain stem since the article on her was first published!

I'm doing a business trip down there in the not too distant future so was checking out the SA prospects and look who I came across.....not literally, obviously!

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Excellent - except that we are faced with a 'member login' page when using the link Mr Louie 

[Kev3773]

Excellent - except that we are faced with a 'member login' page when using the link Mr Louie 

Perhaps it should be moved to the SA thread 

[Lewwy]

Excellent - except that we are faced with a 'member login' page when using the link Mr Louie 

Shit, yeah, didn't think of that! I'll try to post a screenshot if I can work out how to.

[Lewwy]

Definitely her. Wonder if the Guernsey authorities know that she's a convicted child sex trafficker?

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[Kev3773]

Definitely her. Wonder if the Guernsey authorities know that she's a convicted child sex trafficker?

As vile as she is, she wasn't convicted of child sex trafficking.
"Walker, 23, of no fixed address, admitted causing or inciting prostitution for gain"

[daviemac]

As vile as she is, she wasn't convicted of child sex trafficking.
"Walker, 23, of no fixed address, admitted causing or inciting prostitution for gain"

Since when did the truth about what actually happened stop people posting the bollocks they come out with.