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00789

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Hi guys,

Long time lurker, but thought I might contributed seeing as there is very little written about this town on UKP. I very rarely partake in any of the activities discussed on this forum (and if I do, it will be on holiday away from prying eyes!), however, thank you all for your information, and I thoroughly enjoy reading your stories  :)

Bit of background into punting in Austria; prostitution is actually legal in Austria, however, only in licensed brothels. For those that are conscious of their sexual health, the working girls get compulsory STD tests every week. Majority of them are EE origin, with a small fraction being Austrian or German.

Now, onto this town in Austria; Ischgl is mainly a skiing resort, which has shot to fame for having numerous lapdance, table dance, nightclubs and of course the infamous ski-bunnies.com, for those men that (stupidly) can afford to pay up to EUR 3000 a day for an SP.

Overall, I have to say, this place was good fun, however, due to the fact that so many of you have given good advice about services and offerings around the world, I felt the need to WARN you about Ischgl, and one particular place.

First of all, most of the bar dance girls are sexy as hell and from Eastern Europe. Most of them will speak to you if you buy them a shot, which is normally between EUR 3 and EUR 5. This is fine, they are friendly enough, however, it must be said; it is almost mission impossible to get them to go out with you; they tend to work very long hours, and even still they seem to be more in it for the shots. I do believe however, with some luck, choosing the right girl and playing your cards right, you would be able to date one of these girls. If any of these EE girls speak Russian (and even if you speak basic Russian), I would recommend trying to converse in it as they will warm up to you a hell of a lot more. Personally, I was there on a week long stay and therefore, it was quite simply not feasible. My person favourite was Free Ride, which was part of the Filiana hotel, but the one next to it (I forgot it's name, but it was part of the Elizabeth hotel).

The nightlife itself is actually surprisingly dead; it's repetitive house music, with overpriced drinks and dancers that simply want you to tip them. My experiences mainly come from Pacha, which most of the time was empty. I was told it was because of the time I was there (end of December, around Christmas time). Oh and big no-no, majority of the club is men  :thumbsdown:

Now for the strip clubs, and this is where I have the biggest warning!!!

Whatever you do, do NOT go to strip clubs in Ischgl. They are an absolute rip off (I'm talking EUR50 for a lap dance!) and the drinks are not worth it. I only had one experience, in Coyote Ugly, and after sharing my experience I hope to prevent anyone from making the same mistakes I did:

Coyote Ugly is part of the Hotel Madlein, where I stayed; I was bored of Pacha (also part of the hotel), and went there to see if I could fulfill some sexual desires built up from a boring night in Pacha. I walked in and noticed that the place was empty; I was the only guy! The only plus of this place: even if there is only one person in there, girls will still dance on the poles and take their bras off! I sat there at the bar, ordered a drink and began talking to the bar tender.  He seemed quite nice, but after this story, I promise you he is an absolute scumbag! I won't name and shame him, but whatever you do, don't even engage in conversation with the bar staff!

Anyway, we were speaking and I wanted to order a bottle of Vodka for EUR 110, however, he told me that if I ordered a bottle of Champagne (which was double the price at EUR 220), I would also get free VIP lapdance with it. In his words, he said "if you wanted to, you could even take 2 girls with you!" and that he was sure I could "convince her to do extra with me, and it was none of his business" I couldn't believe what I was hearing, as I know most places charge extra for VIP room lap dances. I said yes and got the bottle, which I signed onto my room. One particular Romanian girl took my interest (side note, she was a solid 8/10: brilliant ass, pretty face, average sized boobs, and she could dance!), so I opted against having 2 girls (I'm not really into the 2 girls thing), and wanted to take her to the VIP room. However, he said that (for some benign reason), I could not charge my bottle to the room, and that I had to pay by credit card. I thought "why not", but this was a huge mistake; I signed the receipt again, and then I entered my pin into the card machine for which I thought I was paying just for the bottle.

The lap-dance itself was OK, but it was clear the girl was trying to up-sell as well (standard really, this was not an issue for me). Just for your information guys, I did not receive anything more than blue balls, a couple of passionate FKs and a private lap-dance (she insisted there were cameras in the room).

Fast forward to the time after Christmas, and boom, I have a charge on my card for EUR 220 and EUR 250. My alarm bells were ringing as they were charged under 2 separate names!!

Anyway, told the hotel and they emailed me a copy of the signed receipt; when I told them about everything, they told me to speak to the bar member directly. So I did; and he told me that he clearly signified the costs to me and that he never said anything about the champagne bottle and the 2 girls and basically, denied everything. As we were never going to agree, I asked him that despite the misunderstanding, I am still not happy with the 2 charges, I wanted the EUR 250 waived, or at least EUR 110 back as I was lied to about buying the bottle of champagne instead the bottle of vodka. They (the staff) discussed among themselves, and claimed basically that the girl involved was already paid and they could not take the money from her (I smell bullshit), and for tax reasons, they could not give me any money back. The most I was offered, was a VIP lap-dance for free...which for me was a piss-take, because I was obviously not in the mood following a 1-hour discussion with management and the bar tender in question.

Apparently, this is more wide-spread than I thought (I spoke to a couple of people), but no one ever reports it!

So there you have it gentlemen. Should you have any further questions about the above, please let me know and I am happy to help out. Making sure that this city (and in particular, this club) have the bad reputation it deserves for conning hard-working people out of their money.

Offline Stalinator

Is disputing the charges with the bank an option for you?

It is not the first time I have heard of this scam. I never use plastic for any sexual related activities.

00789

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Hi Stalinator,

I do not know, as this happened to me very recently and I have not managed to get back to where I am residing (the UAE). The issue is, they have my signature and I have used their service, do you believe that I have any leg to stand on?

The minimum I will do, is post on here, ISG and heck, even TripAdvisor if needs be, just so others do not make the same mistake I did!

Offline adindas

Hi Stalinator,

I do not know, as this happened to me very recently and I have not managed to get back to where I am residing (the UAE). The issue is, they have my signature and I have used their service, do you believe that I have any leg to stand on?

The minimum I will do, is post on here, ISG and heck, even TripAdvisor if needs be, just so others do not make the same mistake I did!

Nobody knows whether you have any leg to stand on. You will need to dispute it with your bank.
Night club, sex club is notoriously known to add extra charge to the bill and they will use different trick so many people do not notice it when they sign it.

The chance is that you authorized the payment without knowing it. But you will need to dispute it to see what your bank will tell you. If they could proof to your bank that you authorized it then there is nothing you could do apart from learning the lesson.

The basic rule is that do not use your card in the night clubs, sex clubs, etc. Carrying EUR 1,000 into the night club is not that difficult. If you pay in cash you will know exactly what you pay for and could dispute it immediately. Even with cash you could still sometimes meet the clip joint scam and you must be dealing with bouncers.




« Last Edit: December 29, 2017, 07:29:45 pm by adindas »

Yanusmc

  • Guest
Hi guys,

Long time lurker, but thought I might contributed seeing as there is very little written about this town on UKP. I very rarely partake in any of the activities discussed on this forum (and if I do, it will be on holiday away from prying eyes!), however, thank you all for your information, and I thoroughly enjoy reading your stories  :)

Bit of background into punting in Austria; prostitution is actually legal in Austria, however, only in licensed brothels. For those that are conscious of their sexual health, the working girls get compulsory STD tests every week. Majority of them are EE origin, with a small fraction being Austrian or German.

Now, onto this town in Austria; Ischgl is mainly a skiing resort, which has shot to fame for having numerous lapdance, table dance, nightclubs and of course the infamous ski-bunnies.com, for those men that (stupidly) can afford to pay up to EUR 3000 a day for an SP.

Overall, I have to say, this place was good fun, however, due to the fact that so many of you have given good advice about services and offerings around the world, I felt the need to WARN you about Ischgl, and one particular place.

First of all, most of the bar dance girls are sexy as hell and from Eastern Europe. Most of them will speak to you if you buy them a shot, which is normally between EUR 3 and EUR 5. This is fine, they are friendly enough, however, it must be said; it is almost mission impossible to get them to go out with you; they tend to work very long hours, and even still they seem to be more in it for the shots. I do believe however, with some luck, choosing the right girl and playing your cards right, you would be able to date one of these girls. If any of these EE girls speak Russian (and even if you speak basic Russian), I would recommend trying to converse in it as they will warm up to you a hell of a lot more. Personally, I was there on a week long stay and therefore, it was quite simply not feasible. My person favourite was Free Ride, which was part of the Filiana hotel, but the one next to it (I forgot it's name, but it was part of the Elizabeth hotel).

The nightlife itself is actually surprisingly dead; it's repetitive house music, with overpriced drinks and dancers that simply want you to tip them. My experiences mainly come from Pacha, which most of the time was empty. I was told it was because of the time I was there (end of December, around Christmas time). Oh and big no-no, majority of the club is men  :thumbsdown:

Now for the strip clubs, and this is where I have the biggest warning!!!

Whatever you do, do NOT go to strip clubs in Ischgl. They are an absolute rip off (I'm talking EUR50 for a lap dance!) and the drinks are not worth it. I only had one experience, in Coyote Ugly, and after sharing my experience I hope to prevent anyone from making the same mistakes I did:

Coyote Ugly is part of the Hotel Madlein, where I stayed; I was bored of Pacha (also part of the hotel), and went there to see if I could fulfill some sexual desires built up from a boring night in Pacha. I walked in and noticed that the place was empty; I was the only guy! The only plus of this place: even if there is only one person in there, girls will still dance on the poles and take their bras off! I sat there at the bar, ordered a drink and began talking to the bar tender.  He seemed quite nice, but after this story, I promise you he is an absolute scumbag! I won't name and shame him, but whatever you do, don't even engage in conversation with the bar staff!

Anyway, we were speaking and I wanted to order a bottle of Vodka for EUR 110, however, he told me that if I ordered a bottle of Champagne (which was double the price at EUR 220), I would also get free VIP lapdance with it. In his words, he said "if you wanted to, you could even take 2 girls with you!" and that he was sure I could "convince her to do extra with me, and it was none of his business" I couldn't believe what I was hearing, as I know most places charge extra for VIP room lap dances. I said yes and got the bottle, which I signed onto my room. One particular Romanian girl took my interest (side note, she was a solid 8/10: brilliant ass, pretty face, average sized boobs, and she could dance!), so I opted against having 2 girls (I'm not really into the 2 girls thing), and wanted to take her to the VIP room. However, he said that (for some benign reason), I could not charge my bottle to the room, and that I had to pay by credit card. I thought "why not", but this was a huge mistake; I signed the receipt again, and then I entered my pin into the card machine for which I thought I was paying just for the bottle.

The lap-dance itself was OK, but it was clear the girl was trying to up-sell as well (standard really, this was not an issue for me). Just for your information guys, I did not receive anything more than blue balls, a couple of passionate FKs and a private lap-dance (she insisted there were cameras in the room).

Fast forward to the time after Christmas, and boom, I have a charge on my card for EUR 220 and EUR 250. My alarm bells were ringing as they were charged under 2 separate names!!

Anyway, told the hotel and they emailed me a copy of the signed receipt; when I told them about everything, they told me to speak to the bar member directly. So I did; and he told me that he clearly signified the costs to me and that he never said anything about the champagne bottle and the 2 girls and basically, denied everything. As we were never going to agree, I asked him that despite the misunderstanding, I am still not happy with the 2 charges, I wanted the EUR 250 waived, or at least EUR 110 back as I was lied to about buying the bottle of champagne instead the bottle of vodka. They (the staff) discussed among themselves, and claimed basically that the girl involved was already paid and they could not take the money from her (I smell bullshit), and for tax reasons, they could not give me any money back. The most I was offered, was a VIP lap-dance for free...which for me was a piss-take, because I was obviously not in the mood following a 1-hour discussion with management and the bar tender in question.

Apparently, this is more wide-spread than I thought (I spoke to a couple of people), but no one ever reports it!

So there you have it gentlemen. Should you have any further questions about the above, please let me know and I am happy to help out. Making sure that this city (and in particular, this club) have the bad reputation it deserves for conning hard-working people out of their money.

Just tell your credit card and they pay you back and do the fight on your behalf because technically you havent paid for it yet, the credit card company have and they have a lot of clout.  They do these cons because they dont think anyone will have the balls to challenge against it, so challenge it.  However you can cut the whole lesson down to one line for everyone else "don't think with your dick when you've got you credit card in your hand".

Offline Azucar D Artagnan


Ischgl is for sure worth at least one trip once in your life just for the scenery . For WGs there are better Clubs and bars in Austria . Thanks for your warning 00789 and sorry that you had to find out the hard way . Everyone should know in these establishments never use cards ..... Cash is the only way to avoid these thieves . Where ever in the world you have strip clubs you have this thieving being carried out  :scare: & never keep all your money in one place for their trixy eyes to see where you " stash your wad "   :timeout:

vt

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It's always worth disputing the charges if you don't remember authorising the amounts. They may well already have other complaints for this kind of thing pending, which would help back up your story.

Offline MilleMiglia

My Ski Bunnies were a maximum of €3,000 for four days  - don't know where the OP is getting his rates from.

00789

  • Guest
Hi guys,

Thank you very much for your comments, and happy new year to each of you  :dance:

adindas

I appreciate the advise. I will speak to my bank when I am back in the UAE and explain the situation. And I usually do not enter strip clubs (lots of teasing for a very expensive price, is my personal opinion on them), however, I was stupidly naive and thought that this kind of thing would not happen as it is attached to a 4 star hotel. Furthermore, I did not think Austrian's would be so money-orientated (it wasn't like that in other ski resorts, however, seems Ischgl is an exception).

Yanusmc

I agree with your way of thinking, I will definitely challenge it. And you are right, however, I did want to charge it to my room however the bar tender convinced me otherwise (again, naivity on my behalf)

Azucar D Artagnan

For sure Azucar, I can only comment on Ischgl as this is where I have been recently. It is a very lovely town, don't get me wrong, and the ski routes are massive and very nice. I was only commenting from a punting perspective on the town. I appreciate the advice, and will definitely keep that in mind the next time (in the distant future) I visit these places

vt

Unfortunately, I don't believe these complaints will be common from UAE customers  :sarcastic: however, it may have happened and worth asking, thank you for the idea

MilleMiglia

EUR 3000 for 4 days is a HELL of a lot my friend. Sorry about getting the price wrong, on the actual website I didn't see any prices, and relied on this article:

External Link/Members Only

Then again, The Sun is definitely not a reliable source.

I live in the UAE, and there you can have a girl all night for 4 days for a third of the price (I don't play around there personally, but many of my friends do)

Offline MilleMiglia

To OP: my price was for four days solid and the women double up as tour guides and interpreters most of the time - on one trip, the woman quite seriously earned the money on that alone (none of the meets were at ski resorts). Have a look at the rates of European agencies such as Kay Escorts, and you'll realise that the price I quoted is bargain basement in monetary terms, never mind being value for money when you factor in the extra services.

Offline TomB22

Useful threat, I didn't know about ski-bunnies. I have a skiing trip lined up in February and this gave me an idea. To MilleMiglia. How were the girls you've met in terms of appearance? I've seen the website obviously but sometimes pictures on such sites are too much touched up. And how enthusiastic were they in the extra services?

Offline MilleMiglia

Useful threat, I didn't know about ski-bunnies. I have a skiing trip lined up in February and this gave me an idea. To MilleMiglia. How were the girls you've met in terms of appearance? I've seen the website obviously but sometimes pictures on such sites are too much touched up. And how enthusiastic were they in the extra services?

All of the women that I saw have now left the agency, and they, along with others, were the better looking ones. Of the photos, some are heavily touched up, but the on slope ones are accurate. There are now women with the agency whose pictures are only available on request, so it may be worth putting in an enquiry. It's a serious case of YMMV here, as some of them can be 24 carat bitches and you really can have a wasted holiday. The trips are more about the skiing than the escort booking - do not expect to spend your entire trip in the chalet in bed.

As an example, I saw this woman (incidentally, much better looking than in the photos):

External Link/Members Only

who was a complete diva.

These are some reviews from another agency - a pity that I didn't see these first:

External Link/Members Only




Offline Marmalade

To the OP, with respect for taking the time to write ... but you sound like a bit of a mug.  :timeout:

Offline TomB22

It's a serious case of YMMV here, as some of them can be 24 carat bitches and you really can have a wasted holiday. The trips are more about the skiing than the escort booking - do not expect to spend your entire trip in the chalet in bed.
Thanks for the info! It's definitely meant to be a skiing trip, I go several times a year and can easily ski whole day until lift close. But it does not mean I don't want my cock to be happy when waking up or going to bed :wackogirl:

00789

  • Guest
MilleMiglia

That's understandable, but I guess I value different things more. Linguistically, I speak 3 languages and can pick up basics quite easily, so for me the lady, her personality, the service offering and the price itself is what I place the utmost value on. However, if you feel this price is well worth it, I am not one to judge and maybe I should rephrase: based on where I live, and what I look for, I do not believe ski bunnies are my style.

Marmalade

For a person that comments so much, and is such an active member, I am dissapointed in your negative response and (quite frankly) immature comment. This is UKP, an adult forum, I wanted to help others so if you have more disrespectful things to say, please keep them to yourself. I do not have the time to argue with you, nor do I wish to engage in such a conversation.

md27514

When I was in the strip club, I was told about 1 brothel that exists in the whole of Ischgl. However, I can not remember the name of it, nor the prices of it. I didn't visit, so can not comment on the quality of girls involved as well.

Offline Marmalade

Oh dear, double-0 random digit has 4 posts and already he’s telling people to be respectful and what they should and shouldn’t say.  :rolleyes:

Try to get real and understand UKP or you will be hiding under your mother’s skirt any minute now and your contributions will go to waste.

Read the forum guidelines on what we consider respectful and abusive here.

Re-read my comment. You gave useful information, which I respected, and unfortunately most of it was acquired because you were a mug. That’s not being rude mate, just stating a fact. You got done. Accept it, don’t make the same mistakes again, but also be careful not to get paranoid — either about a country or in this forum. And thank you for sharing (if you need a thank you).

I’ve replied politely since you did offer quite a bit of info and everyone’s entitled to one mistake when they start posting on UKP: but if you want to ignore guidelines and moan at me you’ll find you’ll get more of the same only stronger. If you wake up and accept factual comment then you’ll get more comment that you consider “grown-up”. Don’t piss on your chips by judging people who reply to your first input critically. It’s par for the course. Contributions are a gift and you should not need thank you hugs.