Sycamore Gap tree Northumberland

[daviemac]

What do people get out of the wanton destruction of an irreplaceable world famous landmark like the Sycamore Gap tree, it's been there for 100's of years only for a 16 year old to be arrested for cutting it down.


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[Mikeh38]

He's been released. To fell a tree that size you have to have the right equipment and knowledge, the tree has clean cuts, it certainly wasn't hacked down, and cut with a large chainsaw which indicates a professional, I would be looking at the park authorities and if the tree was in the way of any redevelopment if I were the police.

[Tokidoe]

What do people get out of the wanton destruction of an irreplaceable world famous landmark like the Sycamore Gap tree, it's been there for 100's of years only for a 16 year old to be arrested for cutting it down.


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Won't be surprised it was for online clout nowadays. Also probably how he got found easily if that was the case as well no?

People do fucking stupid shit for a bit of fame.

[daviemac]

He's been released. To fell a tree that size you have to have the right equipment and knowledge, the tree has clean cuts, it certainly wasn't hacked down, and cut with a large chainsaw which indicates a professional, I would be looking at the park authorities and if the tree was in the way of any redevelopment if I were the police.

Mate, it's in the middle of Harian's Wall, the whole length of which is looked after by Northumberland National Park Authority and the National Trust, there can't be any development anywhere near it.

The Parks Authority are looking at ways to get it to regrow from the stump along with collecting seeds from the tree.

The 16 year old has been released on bail pending further enquiries.

[lostandfound]

They had a tree expert on R4 World At One talking about it. He said there can be hope of life / regrowth but it won't be anything like the tree that was there, but something with many small trunks.

Seems to me a better option might be to find another sycamore that looks like the original and transplant it.

[scutty brown]

Sycamore isn't a native British tree anyway: it's a Spanish species that will grow like weeds, and there are groups that would like to see them all cut down in Britain.
It's curious as to how it ever got there - it's miles outside normal distribution area, it's an exposed area with few other trees, and you'd expect the sheep and cattle to have got it while still a sapling. And 300 years ago it would have been a rare tree anyway, only used decoratively. Must have been deliberately planted and protected, the question is who and why? It's telling that there are no other local sycamores growing from seeds - just shows how poor the conditions there are

[daviemac]

Sycamore isn't a native British tree anyway: it's a Spanish species that will grow like weeds, and there are groups that would like to see them all cut down in Britain.
It's curious as to how it ever got there - it's miles outside normal distribution area, it's an exposed area with few other trees, and you'd expect the sheep and cattle to have got it while still a sapling. And 300 years ago it would have been a rare tree anyway, only used decoratively. Must have been deliberately planted and protected, the question is who and why? It's telling that there are no other local sycamores growing from seeds - just shows how poor the conditions there are

At one time there were others nearby but had been removed, nobody really knows why but it has been suggested it was for aesthetic reasons, leaving this one framed by the hills either side making it quite an iconic view.

[MissWolf]

They had a tree expert on R4 World At One talking about it. He said there can be hope of life / regrowth but it won't be anything like the tree that was there, but something with many small trunks.

Seems to me a better option might be to find another sycamore that looks like the original and transplant it.

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Replanting something of that magnitude would take some serious lifting equipment and specialist tree spades, you may be able to get something in its place of about 50 to 70 years but it needs to have work done to retrench the root system if it's been free grown before they can lift with a tree spade.

That's 5 to 8 years prep work and then you have to think about the climatic difference between where it was grown and where its going, its likely not to survive the move, you would need to water for a minimum of 2 years to ensure its established and I'm talking 100s of liters of water in the summer months each week.

Whoever cut this down is familiar with chainsaws, they put in a clean and level gob, the backkcut was level and flat and the hinge was even and neat, the felled with the shape and weight of the canopy in mind so it went the way they wanted. Now that's not above the capabilities of a 16yo if he's been brought up on a farm or around tree surgeons l, but he wasn't alone I will wager my job on it, he didn't walk that mile with that size saw, the bar mush have been 22 to 24 inch minimum.

Whoever it turns out carried out this wanton and mindless piece of vandalism needs jail time and I really hope that in time that their actions now haunt them in the future.

I would be looking at locals who have a beef with the NP and NT, the 16yo is possibly a scapegoat because he will get less punishment than an adult 🤔

[MissWolf]

He's been released. To fell a tree that size you have to have the right equipment and knowledge, the tree has clean cuts, it certainly wasn't hacked down, and cut with a large chainsaw which indicates a professional, I would be looking at the park authorities and if the tree was in the way of any redevelopment if I were the police.

That really is a dumb comment,  that tree was a massive draw for visitor's, it was a source of income, filming it for movies like Robin Hood would have carried a very substantial fee.

Neither th NP or the NT would damage something of that significance,  it would be completely counter intuitive.

[daviemac]

That really is a dumb comment,  that tree was a massive draw for visitor's, it was a source of income, filming it for movies like Robin Hood would have carried a very substantial fee.

Neither th NP or the NT would damage something of that significance,  it would be completely counter intuitive.

Maybe they intend turning the Pennine Way into a motorway and redeveloping Milecastle 39 as a service station. They could use all the stone from the wall for the subbase, save on haulage costs.   


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[radioman33]

This story is getting out of hand,someone is now discussing hugging trees on the radio....nobody has died.

[Blackpool Rock]

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Replanting something of that magnitude would take some serious lifting equipment and specialist tree spades, you may be able to get something in its place of about 50 to 70 years but it needs to have work done to retrench the root system if it's been free grown before they can lift with a tree spade.

That's 5 to 8 years prep work and then you have to think about the climatic difference between where it was grown and where its going, its likely not to survive the move, you would need to water for a minimum of 2 years to ensure its established and I'm talking 100s of liters of water in the summer months each week.

Whoever cut this down is familiar with chainsaws, they put in a clean and level gob, the backkcut was level and flat and the hinge was even and neat, the felled with the shape and weight of the canopy in mind so it went the way they wanted. Now that's not above the capabilities of a 16yo if he's been brought up on a farm or around tree surgeons l, but he wasn't alone I will wager my job on it, he didn't walk that mile with that size saw, the bar mush have been 22 to 24 inch minimum.

Whoever it turns out carried out this wanton and mindless piece of vandalism needs jail time and I really hope that in time that their actions now haunt them in the future.

I would be looking at locals who have a beef with the NP and NT, the 16yo is possibly a scapegoat because he will get less punishment than an adult 🤔

So then Miss Wolf you seem to know an awful lot about chainsaws 
Just sayin 

[timsussex]

That really is a dumb comment,  that tree was a massive draw for visitor's, it was a source of income, filming it for movies like Robin Hood would have carried a very substantial fee.

Neither th NP or the NT would damage something of that significance,  it would be completely counter intuitive.

well its half a dumb comment
The first half is correct this doesnt look like the work of a 16 year old vandal on his way back from the pub. It required planning, some thought and a large heavy chainsaw with a 2 metre blade - you don't get those in the middle aisle of Aldi, and it needs practice to wield. It has been felled professionally not hacked down.

The kid maybe a monkey but I'd look for the Organ grinder

But I agree its not likely to be the NP or NT unless some clot marked the wrong tree

[Stevelondon]

This story is getting out of hand,someone is now discussing hugging trees on the radio....nobody has died.

People will go over the top and I agree with you nobody died.

But as someone who has had his picture taken underneath that tree. I’m incredibly sad to see it’s been cut down.
Why ?

The only thing I can think of is wanton vandalism and who the hell knows what goes through the minds of fuckwits who would do such a thing.

[radioman33]

It’s the society we are living in.People spent more time during lockdown reconnecting with nature.

[catweazle]

I'm sure it was ( at least) a two  man job to fell it, given it happened at night, so someone  with a powerful torch and the chainsaw wielder.  There was also a white line painted around the trunk, just below where the cuts were made.

The really baffling question is WHY?  I am assuming some kind of kudos-gaining "aren't I a big man" deed, but I suspect we'll never really know.

[dexpunt]

This story is getting out of hand,someone is now discussing hugging trees on the radio....nobody has died.

t was an important landmark to the people of the North East and your comment is something I would expect from someone who doesn't respect the people of the north. How would you feel if a famous and well loved piece of history from your neck of the woods was gone forever because of wanton vandalism

[MissWolf]

So then Miss Wolf you seem to know an awful lot about chainsaws 
Just sayin 

That's cos I've had my chainsaw licence for 8+ years, my day job requires it 

[Blackpool Rock]

That's cos I've had my chainsaw licence for 8+ years, my day job requires it 

What you do Domming and saw punters in half   

[lostandfound]

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Replanting something of that magnitude would take some serious lifting equipment and specialist tree spades, you may be able to get something in its place of about 50 to 70 years but it needs to have work done to retrench the root system if it's been free grown before they can lift with a tree spade.

That's 5 to 8 years prep work and then you have to think about the climatic difference between where it was grown and where its going, its likely not to survive the move, you would need to water for a minimum of 2 years to ensure its established and I'm talking 100s of liters of water in the summer months each week.

Whoever cut this down is familiar with chainsaws, they put in a clean and level gob, the backkcut was level and flat and the hinge was even and neat, the felled with the shape and weight of the canopy in mind so it went the way they wanted. Now that's not above the capabilities of a 16yo if he's been brought up on a farm or around tree surgeons l, but he wasn't alone I will wager my job on it, he didn't walk that mile with that size saw, the bar mush have been 22 to 24 inch minimum.

Whoever it turns out carried out this wanton and mindless piece of vandalism needs jail time and I really hope that in time that their actions now haunt them in the future.

I would be looking at locals who have a beef with the NP and NT, the 16yo is possibly a scapegoat because he will get less punishment than an adult 🤔

Sounds like you know about this stuff!

Naively I still think a transplant a good idea - if it were acceptable to people who care about the original.

I wondered how much it might cost? After I posted I thought it could be a smaller tree that experts considered had a good chance of being similarly magnificent when full grown.

Reading your comments about the level of support needed I first of all thought £10M, but then thought a few mill would do it or maybe even a few £100K? Obvs I have no idea really, but all of those figures could be in reach if public sentiment were so inclined?

Maybe a public appeal.

[Doc Holliday]

That's cos I've had my chainsaw licence for 8+ years, my day job requires it 

You aren't on tour in Northumberland by any chance? 

[Blackpool Rock]

This story is getting out of hand,someone is now discussing hugging trees on the radio....nobody has died.

But it's an iconic landmark and woven into part of our history, what's next dynamite the white cliffs of Dover, cut down other iconic trees in Sherwood Forest, drain Loch Ness, start quarrying stone from the top of Snowdonia and Ben Nevis etc etc

We've already done enough to fuck up our countryside in the name of progress without even noticing but there then came a point when we realised once this stuff is gone then you don't get it back.
If it had been toppled in a storm by the wind due to the tree being on it's last legs then fair enough but apparently looking at the cross section of the cut it's still or rather was a fine healthy tree

[Marmalade]

Maybe a public appeal.

Or a public birching.


Ohhh I know … it’s not leeeeegaaal: but I’m speaking hypothetically, morally, and if it were, it might even knock some sense into the trashy brat!

[daviemac]

Maybe a public appeal.

Already done.

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BTW I believe MissWolf does vasectomies as a sideline for those brave foolish enough.      

[MissWolf]

What you do Domming and saw punters in half   

You pay your money you take your chance 

We have 5 saws in our workshop, 4 Husqvarna, a 345, a 357xp, 2 x 550xp and a Stihl MS881 with a 36"bar (I'm not qualified for the big one  )

[MissWolf]

You aren't on tour in Northumberland by any chance? 

Not now....too warm for me 

[mr.bluesky]

What do people get out of the wanton destruction of an irreplaceable world famous landmark like the Sycamore Gap tree, it's been there for 100's of years only for a 16 year old to be arrested for cutting it down.


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They ought to give the little shit 1000 hours community service and make him tidy up oap's Gardens as penance 

[Marmalade]

That's cos I've had my chainsaw licence for 8+ years, my day job requires it 

I hope I’m not teaching you suck eggs, but that sort of unusual info on a prossie board could be a liability to you. Punters are not the only ones at risk from mad service providers. We might have differences of opinion, but we care for your safety and well-being as a sister member and contributor to the forum, so it’s best not to give too much away.

[timsussex]

Already done.

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A "full sized Bronze Replica"

FFS - what and put it in Central London so more people can see it ! 

[MissWolf]

I hope I’m not teaching you suck eggs, but that sort of unusual info on a prossie board could be a liability to you. Punters are not the only ones at risk from mad service providers. We might have differences of opinion, but we care for your safety and well-being as a sister member and contributor to the forum, so it’s best not to give too much away.

Thank you marmalade I really appreciate that 

I try to be very mindful of what info I post and thought about this before posting, I decided that this was OK as I've mentioned it on escortinghub as well, it would take a lot of detective work to pin me down on that info 

[scutty brown]

That's cos I've had my chainsaw licence for 8+ years, my day job requires it 

Wolves like it in the woods

[Blackpool Rock]

Wolves like it in the woods

Yeah but I just can't get the image out of my head of a woman naked apart from wearing chainsaw chaps holding a big Stihl chainsaw telling me that i've been a very bad boy as she revs the fucker up 

[MissWolf]

Yeah but I just can't get the image out of my head of a woman naked apart from wearing chainsaw chaps holding a big Stihl chainsaw telling me that i've been a very bad boy as she revs the fucker up 

And my marketing is complete 

[scutty brown]

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[Adoniron]

well its half a dumb comment
The first half is correct this doesnt look like the work of a 16 year old vandal on his way back from the pub. It required planning, some thought and a large heavy chainsaw with a 2 metre blade - you don't get those in the middle aisle of Aldi, and it needs practice to wield. It has been felled professionally not hacked down.

The kid maybe a monkey but I'd look for the Organ grinder

But I agree its not likely to be the NP or NT unless some clot marked the wrong tree

Now a 60 year old man has been arrested
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[scutty brown]

looking at the overhead in that video it seems that the tree must have kicked sideways about 12 feet as it fell.
Scary especially at night

[Blackpool Rock]

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Quite good that, she can play with my bandsaw any day 

[mr.bluesky]

looking at the overhead in that video it seems that the tree must have kicked sideways about 12 feet as it fell.
Scary especially at night

Just a pity it didn't fall on the person who cut it down.

[Blackpool Rock]

Now a 60 year old man has been arrested
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Wonder how they copped the 16 year old 

What's the betting that he bragged about it to his mates or posted something on social media then once the cops have him they start asking questions like "How do you have access to chainsaws" etc and it quickly leads to someone like his dad 

[MissWolf]

looking at the overhead in that video it seems that the tree must have kicked sideways about 12 feet as it fell.
Scary especially at night

As a tree drops it pitches forward,  the hinge (the strip of tree uncut, you can see its jagged in the pictures) is designed to hold the tree and control the fall, a smaller tree or one falling onto flat ground will remain connected to the stump or within a foot of it.
When you are dropping something onto a rib with no ground under the canopy to support it on landing, the weight and momentum will take the tree a distance, including it rolling in the direction of least resistance until it finds a natural resting place, which is what you can see from above in that picture. 

[mr.bluesky]

As a tree drops it pitches forward,  the hinge (the strip of tree uncut, you can see its jagged in the pictures) is designed to hold the tree and control the fall, a smaller tree or one falling onto flat ground will remain connected to the stump or within a foot of it.
When you are dropping something onto a rib with no ground under the canopy to support it on landing, the weight and momentum will take the tree a distance, including it rolling in the direction of least resistance until it finds a natural resting place, which is what you can see from above in that picture. 

Blimey MissWolf are you a lumberjack in your spare time   

[radioman33]

Special branch are on the case

[Blackpool Rock]

Blimey MissWolf are you a lumberjack in your spare time   

As I said before she seems to know too much about this tree felling business, perhaps the court of UKP social media justice should put her on trial 

All those who think it was Miss Wolf with the chainsaw in Northumberland say Yea 

[MissWolf]

Blimey MissWolf are you a lumberjack in your spare time   

Well I do cut down trees, I wear high heels, suspenders and a bra.......🤔 but no

[Thephoenix]

Well I do cut down trees, I wear high heels, suspenders and a bra.......🤔 but no

Do you go shopping on Wednesdays and have buttered scones for tea by any chance? 

[rathbone]

Well I do cut down trees, I wear high heels, suspenders and a bra.......🤔 but no

In that case, you must be Michael Palin in disguise…!  Thephoenix beat me to it with the buttered scones comment. 

[MissWolf]

Do you go shopping on Wednesdays and have buttered scones for tea by any chance? 

Always 

[MissWolf]

In that case, you must be Michael Palin in disguise…!  Thephoenix beat me to it with the buttered scones comment. 

Dammit I've been rumbled 

[chrishornx]

He's been released. To fell a tree that size you have to have the right equipment and knowledge, the tree has clean cuts, it certainly wasn't hacked down, and cut with a large chainsaw which indicates a professional, I would be looking at the park authorities and if the tree was in the way of any redevelopment if I were the police.

released on bail

[marcius2018]

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Replanting something of that magnitude would take some serious lifting equipment and specialist tree spades, you may be able to get something in its place of about 50 to 70 years but it needs to have work done to retrench the root system if it's been free grown before they can lift with a tree spade.

That's 5 to 8 years prep work and then you have to think about the climatic difference between where it was grown and where its going, its likely not to survive the move, you would need to water for a minimum of 2 years to ensure its established and I'm talking 100s of liters of water in the summer months each week.

Whoever cut this down is familiar with chainsaws, they put in a clean and level gob, the backkcut was level and flat and the hinge was even and neat, the felled with the shape and weight of the canopy in mind so it went the way they wanted. Now that's not above the capabilities of a 16yo if he's been brought up on a farm or around tree surgeons l, but he wasn't alone I will wager my job on it, he didn't walk that mile with that size saw, the bar mush have been 22 to 24 inch minimum.

Whoever it turns out carried out this wanton and mindless piece of vandalism needs jail time and I really hope that in time that their actions now haunt them in the future.

I would be looking at locals who have a beef with the NP and NT, the 16yo is possibly a scapegoat because he will get less punishment than an adult 🤔

So clearly MissWolf....your day-job is "tree-surgeon"!