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Offline CluckinBell

What about £6000/year on a sport car for track days? A fancy motorcycle? Golf club membership and equipment? Sailing? Flying lessons?  Ski trips? Fine dining?

Punting is just one of many hobbies at the end of the day.

Good on you!  :thumbsup: live and spend on what you want for any reason,it's your choice! I guess people are looking out for you but you seem to know what you are doing

Personally i use prossies because 1 don't want the baggage of having a girlfriend 2 some girlfriends don't do certain fetishes/sexual acts 3 It's nice to meet different women,looks,personalities etc   

Offline JonasG

Once you start punting, it'll always be there in your life I think.

Just all about managing it properly, like any vice Booze, Fags, Coke etc.

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I know this won't be for everyone, but I have found that bad each way arbing on horses more than covers punting costs, and leaves you with plenty more disposable income. Won't go into too much detail here, but if you are interested you can read about it here: External Link/Members Only

Horse shit, I love you full of shit gamblers only talking about your successes.   :bomb: :bomb:

If you were that successful why only 2 reviews in 3 years?    :sarcastic: :sarcastic:

Offline NigelF

Horse shit, I love you full of shit gamblers only talking about your successes.   :bomb: :bomb:

If you were that successful why only 2 reviews in 3 years?    :sarcastic: :sarcastic:

+100

The site he linked to is sponsored by Betfair for god's sake. They're hardly in the business of helping punters to rinse them!

Offline puntingpumping1920

I know this won't be for everyone, but I have found that bad each way arbing on horses more than covers punting costs, and leaves you with plenty more disposable income. Won't go into too much detail here, but if you are interested you can read about it here: External Link/Members Only

 
I remember doing that when I was in Uni you can make a grand or two for a few weeks work
 
You got to be careful different T&Cs on different bookie sites and none of it is risk free
« Last Edit: June 22, 2018, 02:17:41 pm by puntingpumping1920 »
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The site he linked to is sponsored by Betfair for god's sake. They're hardly in the business of helping punters to rinse them!

If you read a bit further down they're trying to sell you a 'tool' to find the best bets.   
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In my opinion the Eachway Matcher tool alone is worth the £15.00 monthly subscription fee.


Offline puntingpumping1920

If you read a bit further down they're trying to sell you a 'tool' to find the best bets.

 
I haven't read the site but match betting is just a loophole whereby you take advantage of free bets offered by bookmakers and turn it into cash
 
Nothing to do with paid subscriptions, but it can become consuming as you have to do research, match the odds, calculate
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Offline claretheart

I think it is best not to thunk about how much I spend on punting...  Every now and then I cane it a bit and see a grand go in a month and think what I could have bought...
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Offline NigelF

I think it is best not to thunk about how much I spend on punting...  Every now and then I cane it a bit and see a grand go in a month and think what I could have bought...

You've been a member for 4 years as well and still no useful contributions, never mind reviews!

Offline JonasG

Matched Betting does work, my mate used to do it.

It just takes a lot of effort and time.

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If you read a bit further down they're trying to sell you a 'tool' to find the best bets.

...sounds like Cricket2 should change his nic to Bertie Bullshit.
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I haven't read the site but match betting is just a loophole whereby you take advantage of free bets offered by bookmakers and turn it into cash
 
Nothing to do with paid subscriptions, but it can become consuming as you have to do research, match the odds, calculate

I know what match betting etc is, all I'm saying is that the page in that link goes into great detail of how it works, but they recommend you pay Oddsmonkey a monthly subscription of £15 to maximise profits. In other words they're trying to sell you something.

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What about £6000/year on a sport car for track days? A fancy motorcycle? Golf club membership and equipment? Sailing? Flying lessons?  Ski trips? Fine dining?

Punting is just one of many hobbies at the end of the day.
Precisely. That's why I said ignore it's punting, the issue is you are probably addicted to a hobby, more than what the hobby is.

OP, I think a number of people have recognised signs of addiction in your behaviour. I do sincerely hope I'm wrong, but do bear in mind most addicts do not admit to themselves they are addicts, they always claim they can control the addiction whereas it's often the addiction which controls them.

If I could offer one last piece of unsolicited advice, come up with a monthly budget and stick to it no matter what.

Online cricket2

I have mentioned in my first post on this thread that it's not for everyone. I simply laid it out as an option. Regarding the legitimacy of it, some other members have already confirmed that.

Offline Helloyou75001

I much prefer having this addiction than smoking cigarette or taking drugs.

The plus side is having sex makes me do exercises! I'll start having a six pack if I continue like this  :cool:

Offline Gordon Bennett

I checked the statistics and the average property price in London is approx. £600K,the average property price in my area(a suburb of London)is £300K.Approximately half,so you don't have to move to Edinburgh for a better quality of life.I am next to the countryside,near the seaside and can also benefit from what London has to offer.Nowdays youngsters seem to be obsessed with living in the first three zones and are paying dearly for this.

There are no suburbs of London by the sea (unless you're an estate agent).

Offline mrbluerunner

I'd suggest that the OP is already spending enough on his punting and I would look to increase his take home pay.  I've always found that moving companies is the best way to achieve a decent pay rise - so freshen up that CV.

Whilst I'm in a good financial position, I tend to limit my punts to once a month.

I'm assuming the OP is in his late 20s/early thirties and single in which case I'd be making use of tinder etc. and not paying for tarts - leave that to the old blokes like me.

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OP, is there any female friend or relative you'd trust enough to ask for some honest feedback on how to come across as more interesting to women? Like a sister cousin or friend you could ask? Or maybe some male friend who has more success with the ladies and who might be willing to share some feedback? On what terms are you with the flatmate who's shaggging like a rabbit?

Are you a reasonably confident man? Eg how about in your work?

Have you tried Tinder or other kinds of online dating?

Offline BarryProudfoot

OP, is there any female friend or relative you'd trust enough to ask for some honest feedback on how to come across as more interesting to women? Like a sister cousin or friend you could ask? Or maybe some male friend who has more success with the ladies and who might be willing to share some feedback? On what terms are you with the flatmate who's shaggging like a rabbit?

Are you a reasonably confident man? Eg how about in your work?

Have you tried Tinder or other kinds of online dating?

Good advice :thumbsup:

Offline Buttons

Optimising cash to fuck prossies is just crazy. Only spend what you can honestly afford to lose. I know losing any money is a right fucker,  but you know what I mean.

Get the basics in life sorted. Try and save some cash each month, then whatever is left spunk it on prossies, fags, booze whatever. Otherwise just stop in and have a wank.

Fucking prossies is fun, but not worth breaking the band for.

Offline Helloyou75001

OP, is there any female friend or relative you'd trust enough to ask for some honest feedback on how to come across as more interesting to women? Like a sister cousin or friend you could ask? Or maybe some male friend who has more success with the ladies and who might be willing to share some feedback? On what terms are you with the flatmate who's shaggging like a rabbit?

Are you a reasonably confident man? Eg how about in your work?

Have you tried Tinder or other kinds of online dating?

I know what's wrong. I 'm a short Asian guy and girls are not attracted. As simple as that.

I'm decently confident and I have lots of female friends, or at least acquaintance. I have a good social life and go out with friends few times a week.

I've been hearing over and over about advice that I just have to keep trying and it will work.

Man, being an average white male give you already 10 times more chance than me. I'm tired of advice from people who do not have the same disadvantages and give lessons like they know better.


You know what, last year, just to prove to my friend his advice was wrong, I did everything he recommended to be more popular on tinder. I adjusted name, age, description, posed for pictures, created some cool hobbies, paid for the premium account.
And still nothing. I only match with adverts and girls who liked by mistake.  I ended up having an argument with him because he said I was ungrateful from his help. But what help? It didn't produce any results!!!

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I know what's wrong. I 'm a short Asian guy and girls are not attracted. As simple as that.

So stop looking! Love is blind, if you look for it, you can't find it, it will find you.

Relax, enjoy life, take your £500 and enjoy some great food, buy yourself something special, walk in a field and step in some cow shit, do something different tomorrow, cheer England on in the cricket, laugh at all the things wrong with your life and when you wake the next day, everything is just the same. Your life is hopeless but it's the only one you've got.

See a beautiful woman walking down the street and breathe in the smell of her, savour the simple pleasures in life and smile. That's when you're attractive and women want to know your secret, just tell her you stood in cow shit.  :cool:

Offline Helloyou75001

So stop looking! Love is blind, if you look for it, you can't find it, it will find you.

Relax, enjoy life, take your £500 and enjoy some great food, buy yourself something special, walk in a field and step in some cow shit, do something different tomorrow, cheer England on in the cricket, laugh at all the things wrong with your life and when you wake the next day, everything is just the same. Your life is hopeless but it's the only one you've got.

See a beautiful woman walking down the street and breathe in the smell of her, savour the simple pleasures in life and smile. That's when you're attractive and women want to know your secret, just tell her you stood in cow shit.  :cool:

That's exactly what I do now. Plus punting of course  :dance:

Offline JonasG

South Asian or Oriental Asian?

And how short are we talking?

These seem like excuses to me.

Offline NigelF

I know what's wrong. I 'm a short Asian guy and girls are not attracted. As simple as that.
Man, being an average white male give you already 10 times more chance than me. I'm tired of advice from people who do not have the same disadvantages and give lessons like they know better.

It sounds like you have a real negative attitude/chip on your shoulder - it's likely that many girls will be able to detect that and it will rightly turn them off. Also, it's just not productive to get worked up about things that you can't really do anything about.

As I've repeatedly said, if you think looks/physical attractiveness is the most important thing for a guy then you're either blind or totally oblivious to what goes on around you. I know and have seen loads of Asian guys (various types), including short guys (many Asians are on the short side anyway) with gf's or wives - including white girls. Surely you must too?

However there is one thing you can do to improve your physical attractiveness which you clearly haven't done - get ripped. It obviously has many other benefits too, particularly health wise (as long as you don't overdo it). Other things you can do are obviously "fundamentals" such as grooming, scent and clothing etc.

I'm decently confident and I have lots of female friends, or at least acquaintance. I have a good social life and go out with friends few times a week.
"Decently confident" doesn't sound very confident. A confident person wouldn't use a qualifier like you did, it sounds like you still have a bit of work to do in that department (which again, will obviously help you in a whole host of areas not just dating).

You know what, last year, just to prove to my friend his advice was wrong, I did everything he recommended to be more popular on tinder. I adjusted name, age, description, posed for pictures, created some cool hobbies, paid for the premium account.
And still nothing. I only match with adverts and girls who liked by mistake.  I ended up having an argument with him because he said I was ungrateful from his help. But what help? It didn't produce any results!!!

You already went into that with a very negative mindset - "to prove your friend wrong" - that's not going to be helpful and even if it was the best advice it was probably doomed to fail - at the very least subconsciously you won't have been motivated to put in the proper effort to get the most out of it. Also, your friend's advice sounds decent but not great. You've missed the 2 most important points about Tinder:

1) I assume you just made improvements to your existing tinder account rather than creating a whole new one (using a new facebook profile or phone number). Doing that was a big mistake because Tinder assigns you a rating (known as an ELO score) which is based on numerous things - one of which is how many girls swipe right on you. Since I presume you were having little success when you started, even if you make improvements, it's an uphill battle to improve your ELO score. You'd be much better off starting a new Tinder account (using a new fb or phone number). The loss in mutual friends appearing will have minimal effect. Also note that if you swipe right on everyone (or more than 80% of girls) then your ELO score is very likely to take a massive dive and it will severely restrict your ability to get matches and certainly good ones.

2) Your photos are almost the only thing that matter on Tinder. On average, you only get about 0.5-1 second to make an impression so they really need to be great - particularly your first one - your first photo will make or break Tinder for you. Just saying you "posed for pictures" is meaningless and the fact that's almost all you said on the matter suggests you don't fully appreciate the importance of them on Tinder (on other dating sites they're important but less so and in real life looks are much less important). I'd strongly recommend getting professional pictures taken. I don't mean photos taken in a studio and airbrushed (you're not a bloody prossie) - I mean intriguing shots taken outside with a good camera and someone behind it who knows exactly what they're doing and how to get the best out of you. They should know exactly what the photos are for too. There are even companies that specialise in "dating photography". If you want a link to one of them, plus a link to learn more about my first point, feel free to PM me.

A final point, Tinder Gold could be worthwhile so you don't miss out on anyone who has swiped right on you before you have. Also, use the free boost you get wisely. Research shows one of the best times to use it is Sunday evening because that's usually when Tinder has the most users online. In my experience it is rather effective.

So stop looking! Love is blind, if you look for it, you can't find it, it will find you.

Good advice, especially since girls can pretty much "smell" desperation and neediness, which is obviously a big turn off. One tip could be to have a punt before going on a night out. Because you're not so horny and hopefully not still desperate, many girls will find your "0 fucks given" attitude and the fact that you're just out for fun (and fun can take a variety of forms  ;)) to be refreshing and attractive.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2018, 03:35:10 pm by NigelF »

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So stop looking! Love is blind, if you look for it, you can't find it, it will find you.

Relax, enjoy life, take your £500 and enjoy some great food, buy yourself something special, walk in a field and step in some cow shit, do something different tomorrow, cheer England on in the cricket, laugh at all the things wrong with your life and when you wake the next day, everything is just the same. Your life is hopeless but it's the only one you've got.

See a beautiful woman walking down the street and breathe in the smell of her, savour the simple pleasures in life and smile. That's when you're attractive and women want to know your secret, just tell her you stood in cow shit.  :cool:

Can i have some of what you are smoking.   :D :D

NotThePrimeMinister

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Fully agree with NigelF. OP, you have a negative attitude. I'm sure the ladies pick up on this. No one likes a depressed loser. But a confident dude with a can-do-attitude, that's a different story. No one is saying you will easily pick up page 3 girls, sure, some girls will be out of your league, but not all girls should be!

Work on your attitude and confidence first and foremost.

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Can i have some of what you are smoking.   :D :D

Yeah, but it costs £500...    :dance:

Offline Helloyou75001

I'm not saying I can't date anyone. I can always go find some fat and ugly girls. But the one I'm interested by have just too much choice. Never worked. And when it works it doesn't last more than few weeks.

It's like playing a game where I have 50% handicap vs other players. It's very hard to achieve anything.

So hard that It's better to go punting.

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I'm not saying I can't date anyone. I can always go find some fat and ugly girls. But the one I'm interested by have just too much choice. Never worked. And when it works it doesn't last more than few weeks.

It's like playing a game where I have 50% handicap vs other players. It's very hard to achieve anything.

So hard that It's better to go punting.

Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder and worry what others are doing and blame them. 

Offline NigelF

I'm not saying I can't date anyone. I can always go find some fat and ugly girls. But the one I'm interested by have just too much choice. Never worked. And when it works it doesn't last more than few weeks.

It's like playing a game where I have 50% handicap vs other players. It's very hard to achieve anything.

So hard that It's better to go punting.

More whinging and blaming others. I've given you some very good advice, especially about Tinder and you don't even care enough to acknowledge it, let alone ask me further questions (same applies for my first helpful post). Your friend was totally right to call you ungrateful. You seem to want to complain about things much more than actually doing anything (both financially and romantically). In fact, I think you've now started seeking solace in making excuses and have started enjoying it!

Your attitude is dire and you can't even be arsed helping yourself (you claim you have in the past but it's clearly been poorly researched and halfheartedly implemented) so it's not at all surprising that haven't achieved anything.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2018, 09:33:47 pm by NigelF »

Offline Ce95

Being short has nothing to do with it, I am 6ft 3 with a decent body and still have the same problem as you. I think as previously said confidence and attitude have a lot to do it with it. Girls can smell the lack of confidence and anxiousness around me instantly and back off. I think the first thing to change is negative self perception and confidence before anything else. I’ve had a couple of decent matches on apps at times but never bothered to message them thinking they’ll be disappointed if we ever meet. So I’m convinced that first of all I need to boost my confidence and accept myself before trying anything else otherwise it’s a waste of time!

Offline BarryProudfoot

Being short has nothing to do with it, I am 6ft 3 with a decent body and still have the same problem as you. I think as previously said confidence and attitude have a lot to do it with it.
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around me instantly and back off. I think the first thing to change is negative self perception and confidence before anything else. I’ve had a couple of decent matches on apps at times but never bothered to message them thinking they’ll be disappointed if we ever meet. So I’m convinced that first of all I need to
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boost my confidence and accept myself before trying anything else
otherwise it’s a waste of time!

+1 :hi:

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OP, you have been given good advice. If you want us to help you indulge in self commiserations and tell you oh, poor you, life is so unfair, yes, you have no option but to punt, you will continue to be disappointed!

Get your act together!

Offline Helloyou75001

Thanks all but I never asked for advice regarding my personal life. I got my shit together and I know what I worth. I don't want to waste more time chasing very hard target as life is short.

Yes maybe if I try very hard I could have a nice girlfriend. Or maybe not. Who knows....

However, I know spending my ££ with prossies I'm going to have good time. No frustration (Or not as much).

Just enjoy life and live happily. That's all I want.

Too bad no one stayed on topic on this one!

Offline willie loman

I am glad I started punting late in life, when I had enough money.  As to the op, become rich, move up lifes ladder, etc, and you will become attractive to woman, lots of woman in their 30s look past the face and figure, and as long as you are not obviously an axe murderer, you will get fixed up. If you doubt me, look round the local waitrose at the weekend, plenty of whats she doing with him couples.

Offline BarryProudfoot

I am glad I started punting late in life, when I had enough money.  As to the op, become rich, move up lifes ladder, etc, and you will become attractive to woman, lots of woman in their 30s look past the face and figure, and as long as you are not obviously an axe murderer, you will get fixed up. If you doubt me,
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look round the local waitrose at the weekend, plenty of whats she doing with him couples.

 :lol: :lol: :lol: I see that scenario all the time out and about

Offline Helloyou75001

I am glad I started punting late in life, when I had enough money.  As to the op, become rich, move up lifes ladder, etc, and you will become attractive to woman, lots of woman in their 30s look past the face and figure, and as long as you are not obviously an axe murderer, you will get fixed up. If you doubt me, look round the local waitrose at the weekend, plenty of whats she doing with him couples.

Ahah but I prefer women in their 20's. I'm not interested by expired ladies, especially the single mum's... :wacko:

I think I'm condemned to see prossies..  :hi:

Offline NigelF

Being short has nothing to do with it, I am 6ft 3 with a decent body and still have the same problem as you. I think as previously said confidence and attitude have a lot to do it with it. Girls can smell the lack of confidence and anxiousness around me instantly and back off. I think the first thing to change is negative self perception and confidence before anything else. I’ve had a couple of decent matches on apps at times but never bothered to message them thinking they’ll be disappointed if we ever meet. So I’m convinced that first of all I need to boost my confidence and accept myself before trying anything else otherwise it’s a waste of time!

Excellent points. Not messaging your matches really defeats the point of having the app but regardless, I can assure you that as long as you don't use old (really, I mean very old) or photoshopped/airbrushed/filtered pics then no one will be disappointed in how you look and some will be pleasantly surprised that your photos were so accurate/representative. It's the same case even if you use professionally taken photos (which are likely to have had some post-processing but not airbrushing etc) and they have the advantage of being recent. I can guarantee you that you are much more likely to be disappointed in them when you meet.

If you don't like messaging the girl first then consider using Bumble - it's less popular but still has a decent amount of users (in big cities) and the key selling point is that the girl has to message the guy first - the guy can't send the first message. If she doesn't message within 24 hours then the match expires (giving her more incentive to message you).

Thanks all but I never asked for advice regarding my personal life. I got my shit together and I know what I worth. I don't want to waste more time chasing very hard target as life is short.

You clearly don't have your shit together: you're well into your 30s, you live with other people, you spend a high proportion of your disposable income on prostitutes but you don't even own anything of significant value yet (i.e. property) and you can't even be arsed to create or budget or do things to improve your income. Since you're not saving much for the future, the way your heading is just to remain poor and frustrated, especially when you retire.

Your living/property situation is quite common in London but if you lived in Manchester (or pretty much any other regional city) people would would just find it very sad. It's not too difficult to bring girls back to a place you a share with others but especially given your age, it's still a lot easier if you have your own place. It's also much more attractive in the first place (I believe at least one other person has made that point in this thread before).

You're also forgetting the many advantages self improvement (confidence, attitude, physical etc) will have on every other area of your life as well as romantic. Confidence and a good attitude are key to success in the work place/business, never mind great for your social life and every relationship you have not just romantic ones.

However, I know spending my ££ with prossies I'm going to have good time. No frustration (Or not as much).

Definitely not always a good time and there's quite a bit of frustration with prossies in my experience (and similarly with you based on your reviews - which I'm totally not knocking you for - it's great to see a good amount, particularly negatives and neutrals which will be very helpful). I know going out in London ain't cheap but based on your previous posts you've hardly spent any money on dates so it's hard to see how you've even tried. Getting the dates takes some time and effort but you don't exactly seem like the kind of guy who's time-poor, especially considering you can't be bothered to work more. Also, things like Tinder can be done while you're sat at home in your underwear watching the football, not exactly much effort (once you've put in a bit to get good pics and a decent profile). Besides, you really don't need to go out of your way to find someone, especially if you're social and you find some enjoyable hobbies that involve others (or others could easily be invited to join you). Even if you don't, you should be enjoying yourself so it's not wasted time.

Offline NigelF

Too bad no one stayed on topic on this one!

Bollocks. Are you really that thick or did you just not read what's been said? Plenty of people gave you budgeting and financial advice, most of it you just didn't want to hear and the rest you just ignored. Since you clearly don't want to save up or buy your own place (despite that being pretty much the best thing you could do financially), here's some of the advice that you received which didn't involve saving up/buying property, but you still didn't even bother to acknowledge, thank or reply to:
 
I don't imagine our lifestyles are very similar so I doubt I have any good budget tips other than that long term one, especially because I don't know what else you spend your money on so I can't see where you can save more. If you don't already you should track what you spend a create a budget to identify exactly your money is going and then cut down on the expenses that aren't really important to you (and/or try to find cheaper alternatives).

The other side of your budget is of course income. So I'd say don't neglect your career or business ambitions (as long as you've researched and planned properly). Investment in yourself and/or business should yield big returns in the future (obviously business is much more risky but presents higher rewards). Assuming your career does have good further opportunities (if not you should change), spending extra time working, networking, educating yourself and doing things (in or outside of work) that give you responsibility, improve your skills and allow you to demonstrate them (e.g. on your CV) will be time well spent if it means you can get ahead and get a bigger pay packet.  Big bucks makes owning your own place and spending on a variety of luxuries like a punting a breeze. The main downside though is usually the lack of spare time you have but sometimes (if not often) there are ways round that.

If your career/business isn't vitally connected to London then it's well worth considering moving elsewhere. You'll take a pay hit but probably still end up with more disposable income (that should be saved up for a property) because in Manchester for example, accommodation, transport and many other things are often significantly cheaper. On average punting is cheaper too (and many of the good/best girls there won't charge as much as they do London). Of course there are bargains to be had in London but given the likely time and travelling costs they're probably not that great.

I had a mate worked for a major PLC in London as a graduate, with all the prospects that that brings, when he did the maths about how long his life would be spending basicaly broke to get anywhere, he quit and moved to Edinburgh and got a job with equal prospects, but miles better quality of life.  Fair enough if you want to work till 67 to finally own a Home in London, but you'll spend most of your working life just scraping by

As for saving more. In general don't buy shite you don't need. Do your own maintenance of things.

How you could increase your punting budget with limited funds I have no idea, all you can do is prioritise your outgoings and see what's left.

You could get a second job for some evenings or the weekend, that would give you more disposable income, and less free time. Double win!

However NigelF gives some very good advice. Do take on board what he says, especially about advancing your career.

Given that no one does know your situation, I've given you as much advice as possible about how to identify and then cut your costs (by creating a budget, prioritising and researching cheaper alternatives to things - including the WGs you plan to see) and also basic advice on how to increase your income. Working overtime (if possible) or as jonw16 says, getting a 2nd job is also a good idea

If you want to punt more often then look for cheaper/shorter options. There was a thread on here a while ago about making the most of a 15 minute booking or from what little I've read then Soho walk-ups could scratch your itch.

The alternative, if you're looking for something more meaningful and intimate, might be worth looking at seeking arrangements. The women (pro$$ies) on that site are more open to being seduced with a few quid thrown their way. It would probably give you less sex per pound spent but you might get lucky and find someone in a similar position to you who needs £500 a month and is willing to spend three or four longer sessions a month with you?

I final feast or famine option is looking abroad at places like Thailand, Morocco or the Philippines for a week or so or something closer to home in Germany.

Failing that, buy a cheap cycle for transport and live on bread and water.
(You still ignored most of this one but did at least respond to the SA suggestion and actually I agree with your response, especially since £500 won't get you much at all in London).

In terms of budgeting  how about not buying coffee (I always take a flask), walking rather than paying for public transport/fares and never wasting money on takeaways. But £500 a month would mount up if you bought a place in the sticks that would one day become your home. Women like men with their own place. Good luck!

I suggest you look at doing extra hours in your job, and use that as your punting budget - this works for me.

Get a regular and after the third visit “ tell her you want to be a regular , if she agrees “ and introduce speaking about any regular “special rates and or incentives “ ...You can only ask!

I know this won't be for everyone, but I have found that bad each way arbing on horses more than covers punting costs, and leaves you with plenty more disposable income. Won't go into too much detail here, but if you are interested you can read about it here: External Link/Members Only

 
I remember doing that when I was in Uni you can make a grand or two for a few weeks work
 
You got to be careful different T&Cs on different bookie sites and none of it is risk free

I checked the statistics and the average property price in London is approx. £600K,the average property price in my area(a suburb of London)is £300K.Approximately half,so you don't have to move to Edinburgh for a better quality of life.I am next to the countryside,near the seaside and can also benefit from what London has to offer.Nowdays youngsters seem to be obsessed with living in the first three zones and are paying dearly for this.

If I could offer one last piece of unsolicited advice, come up with a monthly budget and stick to it no matter what.

I'd suggest that the OP is already spending enough on his punting and I would look to increase his take home pay.  I've always found that moving companies is the best way to achieve a decent pay rise - so freshen up that CV.

Hopefully this time you might actually say something about the plentiful advice you were given.

Also don't forget why we got onto your personal life in the first place, because you rebuffed pretty decent advice like this (which still doesn't preclude some punting):
Get a girlfriend and move in with her.
No accommodation costs  ;)
Sex on tap when you are randy  ;)
Win/Win solution.
Thank me later :D

Ahah but I prefer women in their 20's. I'm not interested by expired ladies, especially the single mum's... :wacko:

I think I'm condemned to see prossies..  :hi:

Some of the women they were referring to will have been much younger than the guy/in their 20s but anyway, you still haven't answered my questions:
Bottom line: have you seen many ugly/fat/poor (sometimes all 3) guys with girlfriends (occasionally hot ones too) - if yes then surely there's no reason you can't be one of those many guys. I also fail to believe you can't do any better than the fucking Isis recruiter from this very recent story: External Link/Members Only

As I've repeatedly said, if you think looks/physical attractiveness is the most important thing for a guy then you're either blind or totally oblivious to what goes on around you. I know and have seen loads of Asian guys (various types), including short guys (many Asians are on the short side anyway) with gf's or wives - including white girls. Surely you must too?
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Offline Helloyou75001

To answer your question, yes there a few short Asian guy I know with quality girlfriends. But these are the exception, not the norm. So yes it can happen and I have seen this.

However, as said as well, I do not start at the same ground as average guys and It's much harder for a guy like me to find a quality girlfriend, and when it happens, it doesn't last as long.

So for someone like me, It's an enormous amount of effort for little reward. I know way more short and non attractive guy that are single that in couple. I consider these as exceptions.

I know sometimes I can 'win' this game but I have to give so much of myself I don't think it worth it.

Life is short. If I see a single attractive girl of course I'll try. Of course I ask for numbers. Of course I always message back on tinder when there is a match. And of course when I get a number or Facebook I ask the girl out..... and of course I'll escalate (get closer,try kiss, etc.) If I get a date.

But no way I spend more energy and effort working hard to get a girl. If I exercise it would be for me. If I dress up it would be for me. And if I go out and socialise it would be for me having fun.

No I won't anymore go to courses / classes to meet girls, or spend days on the street to meet and get numbers, or spend hours on tinder to get matches...

For you to understand the level of difficulty I have:
Tinder:
I must need to do about 500 like to get 1 match. That's the type or ratio I have. And out of these matches, 70% of the time I get unmatched immediately after.
So when I used tinder with the improved profile and picture about 3h/day doing likes, in a week I only had 2 girls who were chatting with me. We never manage to meet as they refused or unmatched me after.

Street game:
I use to dress up (even tried with costume like Barnet for a while) and with some players we spent days (10-12h/day) on the street, shops, clubs, pubs talking to girls. We walked from shop to shop, commercial centre to centre, pubs to other pubs on evenings to meet as many girls as poasible.
Out of 100 girls meet, I would get maybe 1-2 phone numbers. Out of 30 phone number, 15 would be fake numbers and 10 would only answer sporadically. Out of the 5 who would meet, 4 of them would only want to be friend. I would probably end up dating 1 out of 30 numbers I get.

That's how tough it was for me. I had many coaches who all told me It's in my mind. Change this. Change that. Just talk to them. Just try. Etc. Etc.

These guys always had better results doing the same thing of course. That's what I've seen.

Have I mentioned I've been doing the game for almost 10 years? And results didn't improve much?


I just can't do that anymore and want to be happy and relaxed and not be stressed by girls and working hard for them. Just not worth it.

Offline Malvolio

Could be time to lower your sights a bit and settle for a mid-quality girlfriend rather than a quality one.

Flunt

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You have some choices to make. The first is to realise that what is beautiful today is going to age and change over the coming years. There is an old saying that women marry men hoping to change them, men marry women hoping they'll never change. Being a short arse Asian dude puts you near the bottom of the pile for women generally, something you are beginning to accept. Those beautiful young women you dream of don't dream of you (or me).

Your choices then:

Option A: set your sights a little lower

Option B: spend the rest of your life alone and poor, scrimping around trying to find a few quid for a meaningless encounter, while you get older and become even less desirable.

Punting is supposed to be a pleasant pastime and that's it. I have some great punting memories and have shagged some beautiful women but they are nothing in comparison to the memories I have from the relationships I've enjoyed.

If you want to optimise your punting budget then punt once a month, do you research and treat yourself. If it's a mind blowing positive then allow yourself to punt the next week, if not then you stop yourself punting for a month.

Offline Helloyou75001

I've pretty much decided a while ago it is going to be OPTION C:
- Spend the rest of my life single and self sufficient. Living a simple life with minimum cost and enjoying my life with friends and punt whenever I feel like it. (Budget permitting)

I'm not poor and probably won't be rich, but I pretty much plan to have sufficient passive income to never have to worry about basic necessity such as food or accomodation. If my needs/costs are low, then the required passive income is much lower as well.
I do not need to buy properties to invest. Currently doing p2p investments and index funds.

Ps: and of course I wouldn't say no to a relationship, but I wouldn't be actively looking

Bobbaloo

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Well to stick with the topic:

-I save up what money I make (everyone should do that if they can anyway).

-I very rarely eat out and when I do  it's usually a kebab/chippy. £3 for a meal is better than £15.

-My (non punting) hobbies are fairly cheap.

-Limit punting to once a month.

-Alternate between FS and massage/HE.

Following the above has served me very well.


Now to the other topic at hand, OP, your posts honestly give of incel vibes. I guess it helps that you're actually banging prozzies when they don't, but you're still giving those vibes off. The same self defeating, always an excuse, blame everyone else style of posting is very similar, some cases it's word for word! I implore you to take the advice you've been given. And stop chasing! Girls can smell that. Ask yourself a question, "why would a girl wanna go out with me, what qualities do I have".

Offline JonasG

Unless you're Sikh, most Asian guys are on the short side.

Unless you're 5''5.

Offline Tom Murphey

Nigel F, Thanks for the detailed knowledge, really enjoyed what you have written and feel it will help me in the future.
It appears Helloyou75001 has already made his mind up and already knows what he really wants, maybe he is just looking for assurance to validate his final decision?

Offline Helloyou75001

Hey thanks the thread wasn't to validate any decision...

It was to share tips on how to optimise the punting budget!! There are some tips there and there..

Offline Moby Dick

Adopt a no wank for a week policy.

Reduce your punting by leaving at least a week between punts, and if you have a wank then put yourself in the sin bin for a week before you punt again. Of course you can keep wanking but wait 7days before the next punt.

This should also generate a nice thick cum for a forceful facial.

Online magnetico

How is not wanking going to save HelloYou any money?  :wacko: