Punting Through Pimps Or Indies Only?

[smiths]

I have read some posts recently on here where punters have said they will punt with Indies only, and avoid pimps.

Apart from not knowing if a so called Indie has a pimp or not as the pimp is trying to avoid getting nicked possibly by advertising the WGs as Indies, what are punters objections with pimps?

I am prepared to punt in brothels where WGs will be being pimped if the price is VFM as i see it. The WGs would of agreed to pay an agreed cut to the pimp so i dont see the problem. I am a pragmatist so have no moral problem with pimps as long as the service i and others get is good at a price i see as VFM.

If a punter insists on punting with Indies only which of course is his business how does he know she isnt being pimped by say her boyfriend?

Do some have a moral reason or another reason like they dont wish a pimp to end up with any amount of their money that the WG then gives the pimp, as its a principle to them that a pimp doesnt benefit out of the money they pay the WG?

To clarify i am talking about where a WG freely agrees to give a pimp an agreed cut of her fees. If its against her will i would want to see the pimp get done as the scumbags they are.

[Horizontal pleasures]

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=24345.0

Hello mister Smith
it looks like 2 threads on almost the same topic?
HP

[smiths]

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=24345.0

Hello mister Smith
it looks like 2 threads on almost the same topic?
HP

My thread is asking some other things to that in fact.

[Horizontal pleasures]

How many Escorts out there actually have pimps?

so how can you choose to go through Pimps or Indies only when you can never actually know?
Many profiles say Indie but then they have a pimp who probably wrote the profile in the first place.

Yes I prefer Indies but I met 3 happy smiling Romanian young ladies last week who surely have a pimp, even if I normally visit middle-aged Indies I had a great time. It is impossible to answer either question and they are interdependent.

[Daffodil]

It doesn't bother me particularly if the girl is 'pimped'. I think the term can be applied to a wide range of people who skim off the 'earnings' of a prossie and some, no doubt, provide a useful service to both the punter and prossie.

As you also say, I cannot know if she is pimped or not. Most EEs are 'pimped', all those working in parlours or for agencies are 'pimped', a lot of so called indies are 'pimped'.

You also make the interesting point, in another thread, that pimps can be women and, in my opinion, women can be just as cruel/manipulative of other women as men can.

Obviously if a person is forcing a prossie against her will then that is different, but if the girl willingly works with a 'pimp' then I have no real issue with that.

[Gordo987]

I have read some posts recently on here where punters have said they will punt with Indies only, and avoid pimps.

Apart from not knowing if a so called Indie has a pimp or not as the pimp is trying to avoid getting nicked possibly by advertising the WGs as Indies, what are punters objections with pimps?

I am prepared to punt in brothels where WGs will be being pimped if the price is VFM as i see it. The WGs would of agreed to pay an agreed cut to the pimp so i dont see the problem. I am a pragmatist so have no moral problem with pimps as long as the service i and others get is good at a price i see as VFM.

If a punter insists on punting with Indies only which of course is his business how does he know she isnt being pimped by say her boyfriend?

Do some have a moral reason or another reason like they dont wish a pimp to end up with any amount of their money that the WG then gives the pimp, as its a principle to them that a pimp doesnt benefit out of the money they pay the WG?

To clarify i am talking about where a WG freely agrees to give a pimp an agreed cut of her fees. If its against her will i would want to see the pimp get done as the scumbags they are.

Well, I always insist one her signing a contract drawn up by my lawyers, don't you?

[Curious6705]

If an AW profile claims a WG is independent I trust that no more than the age shown on her profile. In almost every other walk of life a provider of a service works through an agent, willingly, so I personally have no problem with a WG doing so. In fact, I think it's a better arrangement, as she doesn't have to concern herself with organising clean and safe premises etc. A good agent will also make sure she is a good SP as well and make sure she is organised.

Some punters express a preference for WGs to be under 25 or 30 years of age for example, and then bemoan their lack of organisation. In civvie street many people of that age are also disorganised, but if they work through an agent / employer who makes sure they perform to a certain standard they provide a good service. Same goes for WGs IMO.

[smiths]

It doesn't bother me particularly if the girl is 'pimped'. I think the term can be applied to a wide range of people who skim off the 'earnings' of a prossie and some, no doubt, provide a useful service to both the punter and prossie.

As you also say, I cannot know if she is pimped or not. Most EEs are 'pimped', all those working in parlours or for agencies are 'pimped', a lot of so called indies are 'pimped'.

You also make the interesting point, in another thread, that pimps can be women and, in my opinion, women can be just as cruel/manipulative of other women as men can.

Obviously if a person is forcing a prossie against her will then that is different, but if the girl willingly works with a 'pimp' then I have no real issue with that.

Thanks for the reply, shows my questions could be answered as you and Curious have answered them.

[smiths]

If an AW profile claims a WG is independent I trust that no more than the age shown on her profile. In almost every other walk of life a provider of a service works through an agent, willingly, so I personally have no problem with a WG doing so. In fact, I think it's a better arrangement, as she doesn't have to concern herself with organising clean and safe premises etc. A good agent will also make sure she is a good SP as well and make sure she is organised.

Some punters express a preference for WGs to be under 25 or 30 years of age for example, and then bemoan their lack of organisation. In civvie street many people of that age are also disorganised, but if they work through an agent / employer who makes sure they perform to a certain standard they provide a good service. Same goes for WGs IMO.

Thanks, i agree with you.

[smiths]

Well, I always insist one her signing a contract drawn up by my lawyers, don't you?

No i dont.

[Sailormack]

I think that there has to be clarity on the word "pimp".

I always assume that there is a man somewhere in the background who is benefitting in some way from what the girl earns. 

I would only have a problem if the girl was being forced against her will. 

[Hellraiser]

It's mostly to do with stereotypes and the imagery it conjures up.

Independent WG = 'Lady' dressed seductively in lingerie in her wonderfully decorated boudouir and waiting by the phone for prospective clients.

Pimped WG = Some drug addicted whore with needle marks up and down her arms, a worn out, STD-ridden pussy, working from 7am in the morning to 2am at night, seeing dozens of scummy, penny-pinching punters and then giving all her hard earned cash to her pimp who rewards her with a few slaps around the face.

[akauya]

It doesn't bother me particularly if the girl is 'pimped'. I think the term can be applied to a wide range of people who skim off the 'earnings' of a prossie and some, no doubt, provide a useful service to both the punter and prossie.

As you also say, I cannot know if she is pimped or not. Most EEs are 'pimped', all those working in parlours or for agencies are 'pimped', a lot of so called indies are 'pimped'.

You also make the interesting point, in another thread, that pimps can be women and, in my opinion, women can be just as cruel/manipulative of other women as men can.

Obviously if a person is forcing a prossie against her will then that is different, but if the girl willingly works with a 'pimp' then I have no real issue with that.

I used my powers of telepathy to get Daffs to post exactly what I was thinking... (this is my way of saying +1  )

Joking aside I agree that if a prossie is not working against her will it really doesn't bother me if she has a pimp or not. And I do consider agencies and brothels and others like that as glorified pimps.

[smiths]

I think that there has to be clarity on the word "pimp".

I always assume that there is a man somewhere in the background who is benefitting in some way from what the girl earns. 

I would only have a problem if the girl was being forced against her will. 

To me a pimp is a man or woman who the WG agrees to give part of her fees to. It can also be a man or woman who makes a woman work as a WG against her own free will, making such a person an evil low life scumbag.

 A ponce being someone who is happy to take money a WG earns and spend it themselves, a boyfriend being the prime example.

[Horizontal pleasures]

To me a pimp is a man or woman who the WG agrees to give part of her fees to. It can also be a man or woman who makes a woman work as a WG against her own free will, making such a person an evil low life scumbag.

 A ponce being someone who is happy to take money a WG earns and spend it themselves, a boyfriend being the prime example.

not to menton a husband

[CBPaul]

To me a pimp must do something proactive for the WG whether that be getting business, minding or whatever. A strung out bf for example, just taking a cut for doing sod all, makes him a parasite rather than a pimp.

It's very easy to say 'I don't punt with pimped girls' but none of us really know for sure, even when they say independent. Many of the EE girls I see must at least have some degree of help in getting here, arranging hotels, doing an AW profile etc and many move around in groups, again probably someone behind the scenes. None of this bothers me. If the service is good then I'm happy and don't care if they have to give a cut to a pimp.

On the other hand I actively avoid punting with pimped groups, specifically prossies who tour around with pimps controlling them - the ones where 5 girls share one hotel room, you shag one for 30 mins and the other four hide in the bog. Hopefully we are all getting the hang of spotting them on AW, stunning photos, all services offered, low price but in reality a high chance of B&S, limited services and nothing like their photos. i.e. shit service.

[smiths]

To me a pimp must do something proactive for the WG whether that be getting business, minding or whatever. A strung out bf for example, just taking a cut for doing sod all, makes him a parasite rather than a pimp.

It's very easy to say 'I don't punt with pimped girls' but none of us really know for sure, even when they say independent. Many of the EE girls I see must at least have some degree of help in getting here, arranging hotels, doing an AW profile etc and many move around in groups, again probably someone behind the scenes. None of this bothers me. If the service is good then I'm happy and don't care if they have to give a cut to a pimp.

On the other hand I actively avoid punting with pimped groups, specifically prossies who tour around with pimps controlling them - the ones where 5 girls share one hotel room, you shag one for 30 mins and the other four hide in the bog. Hopefully we are all getting the hang of spotting them on AW, stunning photos, all services offered, low price but in reality a high chance of B&S, limited services and nothing like their photos. i.e. shit service.

Good post, makes such people a ponce rather than a pimp in my view.

[SirPhilipXX]

I used my powers of telepathy to get Daffs to post exactly what I was thinking... (this is my way of saying +1  )

Joking aside I agree that if a prossie is not working against her will it really doesn't bother me if she has a pimp or not. And I do consider agencies and brothels and others like that as glorified pimps.

The only thing that bothers me is that pimped/agency WGs are simply too expensive, once the pimp's fat share is added to the rate the WG actually receives. In South Wales for example, A***** at Fallen Angels adds 30%, D**** at 739 Desires adds 33% and L******* at Portfolio Escorts adds a whopping 40%.

 I object to paying money to pimps in principle.

[DaveMugabe]

Whats the point of using terms like D***************** ?
Pointless. Fluffy and unhelpful. Bit like stopping kids from using swings for 'elf and safety.

Get some balls and post the full names.  Or dont post at all

[SirPhilipXX]

Whats the point of using terms like D***************** ?
Pointless. Fluffy and unhelpful. Bit like stopping kids from using swings for 'elf and safety.

Get some balls and post the full names.  Or dont post at all

In my experience pimps can get pretty unpleasant when their real names are posted online. One caused me all kinds of grief a few years ago. They know that basically what they are doing is illegal and they don't like the publicity.

If you want names Dave then PM me.

[JB1969]

i think as I have gone along with the punting and have learnt along the way a pimp can take on so many shapes or forms, firstly you have

a) the person owning a brothel or a sauna or an agency no matter how high class you try and make it at the end of the day these guys earn a living by women offering a service, these womens prices are set by the owners or the establishment. 

b) you have the boyfriend, husband, drug dealer or partner in what ever shape or form they take, who is quite happy to sit on their arses all day while she services men upstairs in the bedroom to pay for his or her toys, lets not forget about the amount of lesbians in the industry

whether a guy calls himself her partner or her owner at the end of the day these guys live of their women selling their services.

Personally I prefer an indie who makes no indication of whether or not she is married or cohabiting with someone.  I do not live in a fantasy world but it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth when a man is involved but on the upside atleast I know he gets a taste of me after I left my load in her mouth 

[Rochdull lad]

I started punting in Parlours 10 years ago and, as I phrased it at the time, "graduated to seeing Indies" when one of my Parlour Regulars left the Parlours in which she'd worked and went Independent.  Shortly afterwards [late 2006], I found AW and have subsequently only seen independent British MILFs.

As far as I'm aware, none of the WGs I've seen in that time has been pimped, although, of course, I can't know that.  I'm on good terms with my two current Regulars and am as sure as I can be that neither of them has been coerced into prostitution and each of them keeps the full amount of each fee I pay.

To go back to smiths' OP, I don't know what I'd do if I were to be proved wrong about that.  I enjoy seeing each of them so much that I would probably keep seeing them.

[Clanger]

I am of the opinion that very few people outside of the sex-workers industry know anything of significance about pimps. The prozzies are arrested every now and again but whether the pimps get arrested or not no details come out about who they are or what they do, they're a mystery and the WG's by and large seem to keep very quiet about them.

I've got nothing against people managing "escort services",  escort service takes time and money to run properly and it makes sense that a lot of WG's would want to use the facilities, security and promotional advertising offered. But then you've got the parasites; we don't know who they are, how many there are, where they are, or what kind of hold they have over the WG's. The WG's know but they're not telling. Maybe they are afraid to talk?