How about a reviews section dedicated to sugar babies?

[scutty brown]

So if they are not sex workers, why are they discussed in threads on this forum? If they're not sex workers then we shouldn't be discussing them at all.
If they are sex workers then they don't deserve special treatment

[Stevelondon]

In that case, you must consider that nearly all women at some stage in their lifes are selling sex. Most single women 18-40ish go out for a night out, get chatted up, the guy pays for drinks/meal etc and they ends up at his place or her place - often a typical night out by all accounts.  So lets call them all hookers or whores or whatever other word we like. Not a healthy view of women in my view.

lillythesavage  - it was only your comment that "most" ladies on SA.....that i disagreed with. I am all for "each to their own" so if SA is working for you, then great!

Bloody hell.
As a young man I was taken out by my female boss.   Drinks, a meal etc.
Got lucky........ I think she just had too much to drink.
We ended up in bed.

Never knew that made me a hooker though. 

[jkrieg]

Bloody hell.
As a young man I was taken out by my female boss.   Drinks, a meal etc.
Got lucky........ I think she just had too much to drink.
We ended up in bed.

Never knew that made me a hooker though. 

Not even remotely the same. You didn't pre agree to a price for your cock before hand.

Thats just going for a drink and one thing leading to another... not even close to being the same thing.

[stampjones]

Yawn the are they/are they not escorts discussion, again...

As far as the question here is concerned its irrelevant. All thats gonna happen if reviews are available is that a lot of girls will stop doing SA rather than risk being reviewed and the only losers are us. Why would anyone want to make things harder for us. The next most likely thing is that someone will end up reporting a review that went too far and ukp will be in trouble.

So my view is no reviews of SA girls or anyone who isnt clearly advertising a service

[Link7]

There needn't be any debate. Opinions aside, we can make two factual statements:

1) most women on SA are engaged in prostitution.

2)most women on SA are not advertising as sex workers.

Reviews won't work therefore, because they will provoke huge consternation among the women who are written about, and seriously endanger the people who write them - more so if private contact details are published, which is sort of the main value of a formal review system (as opposed to a thread where you can just discuss profiles, as we already have).

The one person I'm aware of who posted a review of an SA girl, in the UKP reviews section, desperately tried (and failed) to have it removed. That tells you everything. An SA review system will open a Pandora' s Box of revenge and outing attempts, police involvement and legal threats, and be a nightmare for site Admin and punters alike. Many men on SA have their photos on the site, which can be easily saved by women and shared anywhere. Can you imagine if the girls start "reviewing" us? It is already risky enough posting about your experiences on the open threads, frankly.

[Stevelondon]

Not even remotely the same. You didn't pre agree to a price for your cock before hand.

Thats just going for a drink and one thing leading to another... not even close to being the same thing.

I know that mate.
Did you not see the smiley at the end of my post.
Its a joke. Little bit of sarcasm....gettit. 

[Mr_Shins]

The primary difference between the SD/SB model and regular escorts is like a difference between an exclusive club and a pub. In both, you have to pay to buy a drink, but in a pub, anyone (who is above the legal age and behaves in a reasonable manner) can go in and buy one, in an exclusive club, you have to be accepted as a member first.

That's a bit like how this is. In order for her to see you and accept your payment, she has to accept you first. And she may be particular about who she sees.

[DeanoDeano]

Regardless of anything else, people aren’t going to share their conquests of sugar babies openly. It’s like posting on here about girls you met on tinder. What’s the point?

[Stevelondon]

The primary difference between the SD/SB model and regular escorts is like a difference between an exclusive club and a pub. In both, you have to pay to buy a drink, but in a pub, anyone (who is above the legal age and behaves in a reasonable manner) can go in and buy one, in an exclusive club, you have to be accepted as a member first.

That's a bit like how this is. In order for her to see you and accept your payment, she has to accept you first. And she may be particular about who she sees.

Doesn’t matter if it’s a club, pub, disco, golf club or an institute.
SHE.......no matter how particular SHE is. Is giving sex in exchange for money, presents, gifts etc etc.

You can gloss over it as much as you like. Being picky don’t make you different.

[tynetunnel]

Doesn’t matter if it’s a club, pub, disco, golf club or an institute.
SHE.......no matter how particular SHE is. Is giving sex in exchange for money, presents, gifts etc etc.

You can gloss over it as much as you like. Being picky don’t make you different.

You can keep banging the drum - yes it is “sex in exchange for money, presents, gifts etc etc”

Yet it’s a different vibe, a different route to achieving that, and it’s important as an SD never ever to allude to payment for sex etc. Certainly most SB’s view it differently.

In any case as I said before, most don’t stay on SA for long, either dipping their toe in and leaving, just taking a look and never toe dipping, or finding someone to see regularly and coming off the site. So there is literally no point reviewing anyone because by the time you read such review they almost certainly will not be available for you to try your obvious charms on. Any reviews would be pure “Willy waving”

If you can’t understand how different SA is to AW and what those differences are, then I suggest you don’t waste your time trying to find out. Stick with AW. I’m not reviewing anyone I’ve met on SA 

[Mr_Shins]

so is the attraction of using Seeking and getting an SB

1. Different type of person, who has a "life" outside this and shares it to some extent with you
2. Simply a lower cost for longer meets
3. Simply a feeling that she isn't doing this with everyone, and possibly an exclusivity feeling?

I find the attraction that she isn't portraying herself as a porn star as that image doesn't attract me, and many of the women on the SB sites just look far more normal. Still far too many in sandals though, which I strongly dislike.

I did one month on Seeking then switched later to WhatsYourPrice which I simply found to be the easiest dating site to find dates, and would often meet women for a far lower amount (if not only paying for the date) with no sex but would still have sex with my regular escort when I felt the need. I don't really see a need to review these particular women.

[southcoastpunter]

 I’m not reviewing anyone I’ve met on SA 

we can argue back and forth as much as we like whether they are or aren't WG's/sex workers. The most important point to answer the tread topic question is whether the guys who are actually on and an active user of SA WILL DO REVIEWS or not.

I and i think most/nearly all guys active on SA will say the same as tynetunnel. I have exchanged some information by PM with a few guys in my area but that is all I will do. I am convinced that formal reviews on somewhere like this will result, in most cases, in the lady in question blocking you and/or leaving SA. I know the ladies I see would be horrified to be reviewed on a WG/Escort/P review site!

[datwabbit]

People expecting reviews will be disappointed. Guys will share thieves or warnings but active meetings are unlikely to be shared. You pay your ton, you see who wants to meet you. Just how it is.

[datwabbit]

If they fuck for cash they're sex workers and the sooner they understand that, the better.
All SA does is enable a pretence in which pretty average women overestimate their marketability and value - causing inflation of prossie prices.
It's in our interests to discredit or destroy the SA business model: doing so would reduce prices. Reviewing SA punts would be a good start.

I do feel that if escorts are seen as too pricey, men will look elsewhere rather than "just accept and pay". That includes massages, sb's, Tinder etc and it then changes what the site was for because women then adapt to the site too.

SA is now £100 a month with plenty of online only so that is changing anyway.

Btw: I don't believe that men should just accept and pay higher prices. I'm saying that it's in men's nature to look for other options and they won't be bullied into accepting higher prices. We've evolved from hunter/gatherer to hunter/punter.

What's really important is that a review won't guarantee you a meet. Won't guarantee you a price. So what's the point of reviews which have no consistency.

[datwabbit]

so is the attraction of using Seeking and getting an SB

1. Different type of person, who has a "life" outside this and shares it to some extent with you
2. Simply a lower cost for longer meets
3. Simply a feeling that she isn't doing this with everyone, and possibly an exclusivity feeling?

I find the attraction that she isn't portraying herself as a porn star as that image doesn't attract me, and many of the women on the SB sites just look far more normal. Still far too many in sandals though, which I strongly dislike.

I did one month on Seeking then switched later to WhatsYourPrice which I simply found to be the easiest dating site to find dates, and would often meet women for a far lower amount (if not only paying for the date) with no sex but would still have sex with my regular escort when I felt the need. I don't really see a need to review these particular women.

The attraction is redefining prostitution to mean sex with lots of men for money, not just sex for money.

Bottom line, if she's only seeing you when there's money and you won't give her money without sex, you can't avoid what it is.

[Link7]

Fair enough on the most comment, agree to disagree on that one.

There is a big difference between dating and paying or meeting women on a night out though, they have not made a life decision to put themselves online to meet men for sex or experiences that have to be paid for. They have gone over that line and are using their bodies for gain full stop, made a decision to do just that and put themselves online in order to do that.

Some do it once and decide never again, others keep doing it and some venture on to full time whores, the reason for putting themselves out there is money in the first instance more often than not.
Whatever way you want to dress it up, and whatever way you pay, you are paying a woman for sex and it is little different from an Escort punt in that sense.

Yes - you're completely correct in my view.

A lot of the SA loyalists can come across like they have a need to feel that they've transcended punting in some way. I'm not sure why. It isn't a dating website, even if one decides (and succeeds) in treating it like one (which many do, though query how wisely). It is a forum for the exchange of money for sex, and the women all know that when they join. So the fact that they are on there in the first place says something. Just as our being on there says something about us (punters).

[tynetunnel]

Yes - you're completely correct in my view.

A lot of the SA loyalists can come across like they have a need to feel that they've transcended punting in some way. I'm not sure why. It isn't a dating website, even if one decides (and succeeds) in treating it like one (which many do, though query how wisely). It is a forum for the exchange of money for sex, and the women all know that when they join. So the fact that they are on there in the first place says something. Just as our being on there says something about us (punters).

In which case why don’t you get the ball rolling with some reviews, and lets see how that pans out? 

[southcoastpunter]

 It is a forum for the exchange of money for sex, and the women all know that when they join.

In my opinion and experience - that is totally wrong! maybe about 5-10% of ladies on SA are just selling sex. The other 90+% are looking for others things - which may or may not include the providing of sex in a overall different setting. It is not like getting a WG from SA in most cases.

I have 3 "regulars" on the go at the moment - all 3 are no longer on SA, all left within one week of joining because of the way the were treated by a significant majority of guys on SA - to whom I should say a big thank you as, to these ladies, I seemed "normal" and a "nice guy" so they chatted to me, met up with me and well, we are in a good SA relationship that does not just involve sex.

[cotton]

In my opinion and experience - that is totally wrong! maybe about 5-10% of ladies on SA are just selling sex. The other 90+% are looking for others things - which may or may not include the providing of sex in a overall different setting. It is not like getting a WG from SA in most cases.

I have 3 "regulars" on the go at the moment - all 3 are no longer on SA, all left within one week of joining because of the way the were treated by a significant majority of guys on SA - to whom I should say a big thank you as, to these ladies, I seemed "normal" and a "nice guy" so they chatted to me, met up with me and well, we are in a good SA relationship that does not just involve sex.

Are you sure they arnt just blowing smoke up your ass , telling you what you want to hear just to keep the gravy train rolling 
Or are they proper nice naive innocent teenage students 
How much is your total cost per shag , if you dont mind me asking , sounds great if they are innocent students 

[JamesKW]

I am no expert on Sugar Babes and personally not interested, but I would have thought most only see one or two people and dont want a regular stream of men,so a review section would be pointless.

[stampjones]

I am no expert on Sugar Babes and personally not interested, but I would have thought most only see one or two people and dont want a regular stream of men,so a review section would be pointless.

Correct - at least the ones who arent also on AW etc

[scutty brown]

I am no expert on Sugar Babes and personally not interested, but I would have thought most only see one or two people and dont want a regular stream of men,so a review section would be pointless.

In which case why is there a dedicated topic thread ¿ If they're not sex workers then why does that secret thread exist ¿

[tynetunnel]

In which case why is there a dedicated topic thread ¿ If they're not sex workers then why does that secret thread exist ¿

It’s hardly a “secret thread” since it’s widely known about, and indeed even debated on open threads such as this. What is more interesting Scutty is why the existence of this thread has worked you up for so long, and continues to do so 

This isn’t your site and you don’t make the rules up, the thread exists until the management see fit to change that. Why then does the existence of the “secret thread” continue to irk you so?  Have you considered filing a complaint to head1, or advising him in respect of the “secret thread”?

[southcoastpunter]

Are you sure they arnt just blowing smoke up your ass , telling you what you want to hear just to keep the gravy train rolling 
Or are they proper nice naive innocent teenage students 
How much is your total cost per shag , if you dont mind me asking , sounds great if they are innocent students 

No, I am confident they are not just blowing smoke up my ass etc. Remember I am not just looking for sex - much more. Yes a good looking, sexy  lady but one that I  have some sort of "connection" with eg one I like being with, who makes good conversation and good company etc as well as having sexual fun together. Hence I do not think in terms of "cost per shag". But if i did, at the moment with the current restrictions, its £200ish plus a bottle of wine/bubbly plus a takeaway (£25-45). But that is usually for an overnight. with further relaxation of covid restrictions, the cost will probably increase as we go to restaurants and do other things together. But for me and what I am looking for, that is ok. ( i am single and not in any relationship - and trying to catch up on lost fun time from my youth (another story) so I am spending much more than I did when i only punted!)

And yes they are Uni students aged 20-24 and from getting to know them, I believe that they are (relatively) naive sexually - but it comes back to something i have said all the way through any SA discussion - it depends on what the ladies are seeking and what the guy is seeking. Its not always just money/sex - and these three would be horrified to know that they are being discussed on a forum such as this as (no matter what we may think) they absolutely do not consider themselves to be providing paid for sex.

What is more interesting Scutty is why the existence of this thread has worked you up for so long, and continues to do so 

I think i read somewhere that Scutty would like to see SA fail - so that maybe part of his agenda.

[jkrieg]

I have to say since posting this I have changed my mind on the subject. I can see now why posting reviews for SA girls probably wouldn't work out well.

I'm still in my (late) 20s though, so I don't think SA is really intended for me as I can put the same effort into dating non sugar babies and still get favourable results. Granted I'm not (currently) single, which makes that a bit murky. But it sounds like SA isn't the easiest on that front either.

Thanks for the input lads, it's given me a bit more insight into how that side of things operates.