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Author Topic: BBC Two announces Louis Theroux: Selling Sex  (Read 7928 times)

Offline peter purves

Bafta award-winning filmmaker, Louis Theroux, returns to the UK to meet women legally providing sexual services, either to make a living or to supplement their income, potentially earning hundreds of pounds per hour. But rather than on the streets or in illegal brothels, these women sell sex from their own home or hotels, utilizing technology to share photos, make bookings and vet potential clients - making the exchange more accessible and, according to some, safer than the illegal alternatives.

The age-old issue of whether sex should ever be traded remains, with many believing it to be exploitative and damaging, driven by a society still shaped by the desires of men. Yet there are those who feel that selling sex can be a valid, empowering choice for those who choose to engage in it. As Louis meets the women and men participating in the new sexual economy, he explores whether selling sex can ever be a healthy way to make money.


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Offline LLPunting

At least he won't be trying to make the case for making the buying of sex illegal by only presenting the case of the most vulnerable, illiterate participants.  It will be interesting to see how narrow his lens is and how liberal his attitude to the wants of free persons wanting to sell their sexual services.  That they're talking to the pricier end of the market will be a refreshing change and I have some hope that he will show us something new.

Offline Niggledebits

At least he won't be trying to make the case for making the buying of sex illegal by only presenting the case of the most vulnerable, illiterate participants.  It will be interesting to see how narrow his lens is and how liberal his attitude to the wants of free persons wanting to sell their sexual services.  That they're talking to the pricier end of the market will be a refreshing change and I have some hope that he will show us something new.

I completely agree. The programme on Channel 4 chose very rough drug addicts to portray a negative image of protitutes. That was the image I had before I tried escorts from Adultwork. I was gobsmacked how attractive and articulate most of the girls are.

Another programme show an overweight girl of average looks. Very biased reporting just like the BBC. They should have real gym fit escorts on there though for the life in me I don’t understand why they would want to expose themselves on TV.

Offline Blackpool Rock

I quite like his documentaries as he seems to be a bit more objective than most

Offline dubs

Just as long as they don’t have kat lee and kirie representing the girls again.

Offline king tarzan

At least he won't be trying to make the case for making the buying of sex illegal by only presenting the case of the most vulnerable, illiterate participants.  It will be interesting to see how narrow his lens is and how liberal his attitude to the wants of free persons wanting to sell their sexual services.  That they're talking to the pricier end of the market will be a refreshing change and I have some hope that he will show us something new.

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Offline Plan R

He seems like a decent chap - hopefully he'll leave a review.

Offline johnny34

Any idea when its actually going to be on?  :hi:

Offline albert56

Sounds like this will provide a more balanced view of what's out there from the majority of service providers. One to look out for....

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Offline Marmalade

I completely agree. The programme on Channel 4 chose very rough drug addicts to portray a negative image of protitutes. That was the image I had before I tried escorts from Adultwork. I was gobsmacked how attractive and articulate most of the girls are.

Another programme show an overweight girl of average looks. Very biased reporting just like the BBC. They should have real gym fit escorts on there though for the life in me I don’t understand why they would want to expose themselves on TV.

I saw the Dispatches exposé of Jeremy Kyle on catch up last night. Ex-studio people said how it was policy to get people drunk or even make sure they got their drugs so they would be easily wound up and portray themselves as utter cunts. They reckon a number of programmes are wired like that. Nothing to do with trying to show truth or balance.

So I reckon 90% of programmes on prostitution want examples that fit the public image of indignation and general degradation. With Theroux it’s his name that sells the programme.

But no saying the ‘conclusion’ he will come to. If any.  :unknown:

Online WASA38

"Soon' according to the Metro:

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Unlikely to be that soon. The producer is currently seeking contributors on UKE.

There's a lot of discussion of this topic there.

Online Jonestown

I hope he focuses on the mainstream £100 - £200 an hour market rather than the (low) street girls or the (high) £5k a trick park lane arab bait.

Offline johnny34

Unlikely to be that soon. The producer is currently seeking contributors on UKE.

There's a lot of discussion of this topic there.

I think its been completed, just waiting for it to be shown  :thumbsup:

Offline king tarzan

I hope he focuses on the mainstream £100 - £200 an hour market rather than the (low) street girls or the (high) £5k a trick park lane arab bait.

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Offline monkmarvey

One of the girls he is talking to is Classy Filthy (@theclassyfilthy on Twitter). Met her at the Rebecca Ryder party I went to a year or so ago. She seems like a good advert for SPs - not drugged up, articulate, content in what she is doing. Running escorting as a successful business for herself and about to publish her book - according to her YouTube channel. Gives me hope this could be a good programme

Offline winkywanky

From what I've seen of Theroux on telly (I've seen a lot, and my box records any new stuff of his) I think he tends to provide a well-researched, in-depth and balanced view.

In its role as public service broadcaster and effectively funded directly from the public purse, the BBC will always tend to be a bit liberal.

But also, they give airtime to guys like Theroux.

Be interesting to see what he comes up with, he doesn't tend to just go for 'an angle', he looks at the whole picture.

Offline king tarzan

From what I've seen of Theroux on telly (I've seen a lot, and my box records any new stuff of his) I think he tends to provide a well-researched, in-depth and balanced view.

In its role as public service broadcaster and effectively funded directly from the public purse, the BBC will always tend to be a bit liberal.

But also, they give airtime to guys like Theroux.

Be interesting to see what he comes up with, he doesn't tend to just go for 'an angle', he looks at the whole picture.

I saw one years ago when he was diplomatically take the piss out of that piece of fat shit Eugene Terrablanche...
It was funny..
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Offline winkywanky

I remember it well KT!  :D

Theroux has one of those deadpan faces which he can use to great effect. He can use it to appear totally neutral and enquiring to get a truthful response from someone, or he can ask a seemingly really stupid question in exactly the same way to take the piss.

Offline Happyjose

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When it comes to pussy, the distinction between desert and dessert is somewhat important

like sombre and sombrero when it comes to funeral attire

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Offline king tarzan

When it comes to pussy, the distinction between desert and dessert is somewhat important

like sombre and sombrero when it comes to funeral attire

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Offline Knucklehead

He did one on one of the Nevada chicken ranch type places and didn’t set anyone up to look bad, I think his new one will be interesting, won’t want to watch it with the ball and chain though, that could be tricky.

Offline Goldfinch

He did one on one of the Nevada chicken ranch type places and didn’t set anyone up to look bad, I think his new one will be interesting, won’t want to watch it with the ball and chain though, that could be tricky.

Yes,I've seen that one a few times,it was a good watch:

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Offline Itsnotshy

Sex workers on twitter who took part don't seem to be too happy about it.
I also suspect we will be portrayed badly as usual.
All publicity is bad publicity when it comes to sex work/punting.

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Sex workers on twitter who took part don't seem to be too happy about it.
I also suspect we will be portrayed badly as usual.
All publicity is bad publicity when it comes to sex work/punting.

Yeh, he's probably interviewed SlamBoy and Scutty as well. The was a supposedly female journalist came on the unmentionable site and sweet talked everyone for a few weeks, saying how her piece was going to be even handed and give us a fair hearing, then when it came out in the Guardian she back stabbed the lot of us. The liberal press/BBC will never offer a balanced view on prostitution.

Online bhudda

Sex workers on twitter who took part don't seem to be too happy about it.
I also suspect we will be portrayed badly as usual.
All publicity is bad publicity when it comes to sex work/punting.

What is it about it they are not happy with?

Online Squire Haggard

I'll watch this. It will be interesting to see how balanced the show is. Will the BBC be scared of promoting prostitution as a good career option?

Offline Itsnotshy

Yeh, he's probably interviewed SlamBoy and Scutty as well. The was a supposedly female journalist came on the unmentionable site and sweet talked everyone for a few weeks, saying how her piece was going to be even handed and give us a fair hearing, then when it came out in the Guardian she back stabbed the lot of us. The liberal press/BBC will never offer a balanced view on prostitution.
As with everything they're only interested in the victimhood narrative these days.
You're either a victim in need of saving/redemption or a perp. in need of punishment, makes for good TV. Bit like the old westerns, black hat and white hat.
Having said that, who knows we might be pleasantly surprised when its shown.


Offline Itsnotshy

What is it about it they are not happy with?
Didn't go into it in too much detail, as SWs on twitter can be long winded pains in the arse, but I think it's the usual editing, misrepresentation thing.
There are a number of posts today regarding the documentary on 'whores of yore', the best twitter account for keeping up to date with the twitter SWs.
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Online Squire Haggard

Yeh, he's probably interviewed SlamBoy and Scutty as well. The was a supposedly female journalist came on the unmentionable site and sweet talked everyone for a few weeks, saying how her piece was going to be even handed and give us a fair hearing, then when it came out in the Guardian she back stabbed the lot of us. The liberal press/BBC will never offer a balanced view on prostitution.

There's a slim chance that a female journalist would write an even handed article on prostitution, especially in the Guardian. With a male journalist, the chances would improve.

Offline cheekypunter

I have always found his documentaries to be very balanced  and quite insightful. Let's see how good this is.

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I have always found his documentaries to be very balanced  and quite insightful. Let's see how good this is.

Did Theroux do the TV documentary a few years back on pornography, where there too three UK lads who were avid porn fans to LA to meet their heroes and see how it was all done ? I remember two of them left devastated because it was not all as the final cut showed, one had a gay hero who turned out to be not gay at all, and he other was horrified at what the girls were put through on set.

Offline akauya

Here's Ggeorginattyson's take on it - open letter on twatter about the program

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Here's Ggeorginattyson's take on it - open letter on twatter about the program

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It looks like the BBC are being are being a responsible broadcaster, by not promoting prostitution as a career choice, according to some on there.

It all looks a bit surreal............ :)

Offline catweazle

Did Theroux do the TV documentary a few years back on pornography, where there too three UK lads who were avid porn fans to LA to meet their heroes and see how it was all done ? I remember two of them left devastated because it was not all as the final cut showed, one had a gay hero who turned out to be not gay at all, and he other was horrified at what the girls were put through on set.

Yes, l remember that. One guy watched his pornstar heroine at work, and was sickened at how much she'd been fucked in the day, and went right off it when, at the end of the filming session, a number of her fans were invited to fuck her as well.

Offline Horizontal pleasures

I hope it will show on iPlayer so I can watch it when the Missus is out.

Offline Malvolio

Here's Ggeorginattyson's take on it - open letter on twatter about the program

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Call me ignorant, but what's this fosta / sesta stuff she's going on about?

Offline akauya

Call me ignorant, but what's this fosta / sesta stuff she's going on about?

Apparently a new US law (External Link/Members Only) quite controversial as it's having the opposite efect of what was intended to do - or something to that efect.

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Offline LLPunting

Read through the Twitter feed and the subsequent Metro article.  Sounds like the SP singled out as a subject has ground for misrepresentation and perhaps defamation.  Foolish as it was to take part because of the likelihood of misrepresentation I do hope these girls get help to bring a case and the BBC and Mr Theroux get royally caned in court and have to pay significantly, along with an independent producer and editor given the chance to air a more representative cut of all the material shot.  There must be more than a few sympathetic production types with the appropriate credentials in the community who could do this?
Also get a broadcast ombudsman investigation into the BBC production with full transparency in the public interest. (yeah, not going to happen, conniving bastards).

So much for Louis and his rep for being less judgemental than most.

Need to see an expose of the whole production team and their pertinent political and religious affiliations.

Offline winkywanky

Perhaps the best thing to do before jumping to any conclusions is to watch the programme in question, and then weigh up whether there has been misrepresentation, coercion or anything else.

Also, the regulator Ofcom is there to adjudicate ultimately in such cases, should the need arise. They are independent and also oversee other UK broadcasters.

So far we're only hearing one side of the story.

Offline jeanphillipe

Read through the Twitter feed and the subsequent Metro article.  Sounds like the SP singled out as a subject has ground for misrepresentation and perhaps defamation.  Foolish as it was to take part because of the likelihood of misrepresentation I do hope these girls get help to bring a case and the BBC and Mr Theroux get royally caned in court and have to pay significantly, along with an independent producer and editor given the chance to air a more representative cut of all the material shot.  There must be more than a few sympathetic production types with the appropriate credentials in the community who could do this?
Also get a broadcast ombudsman investigation into the BBC production with full transparency in the public interest. (yeah, not going to happen, conniving bastards).

So much for Louis and his rep for being less judgemental than most.

Need to see an expose of the whole production team and their pertinent political and religious affiliations.

That is surprising as he wasnt too judgy in the one he did in the states.

Im going to watch it though

Offline Colston36

Amazing that after thousands of years this can still be a subject of dissension. Like everything else it can be good or bad depending on the context. At east two Chinese Empresses and one Roman were ex-whores. Anyhow, the BBC is doing this because they know it fascinates us.

Offline cotton

I'll watch this. It will be interesting to see how balanced the show is. Will the BBC be scared of promoting prostitution as a good career option?
Personally my yardstick for judging if its a good programe isnt wether or not they promote prostitution as a good career option.
The reality is that its not a career to suit everyone , most people woudnt want their daughters pursuing a career in prostitution but at the same time fair play to those women who do choose it as a career, they deserve a programme that gives a balanced perspective and at least respects the choice of those women who do choose it as a career.

Offline JonasG

Should be interesting either way.

There's one on Netflix called "Prostitution, What's the harm?

I thought it was quite a balanced doc, it was a bit BBC Three-ish, but some good points were made.

Offline Marmalade

‘Documentary’ film-maker Theroux lost a lot of professional credibility when he admitted he knew about Saville’s perversion for kids when he made the first documentary on him and did fuck all about it. Of course he was ‘very sorry’ after Saville’s death and went mental at defenders of Michael Jackson.

What he ‘reports’ is his business: but to take money from the Beeb (ie tax payers) under the guise of a truthful documentary maker is not very honest. He knows where his bread is buttered it seems — just like Jeremy Kyle.

Who do you trust to make documentaries these days? Channel4 Dispatches used to be pretty good. Someone like Ken Loach is a better filmmaker: at least we know his bias before we start watching and he lets the viewer come to a conclusion rather than saying outright that it is non-fiction.

Offline rathbone

One of the girls he is talking to is Classy Filthy (@theclassyfilthy on Twitter). Met her at the Rebecca Ryder party I went to a year or so ago. She seems like a good advert for SPs - not drugged up, articulate, content in what she is doing. Running escorting as a successful business for herself and about to publish her book - according to her YouTube channel. Gives me hope this could be a good programme
I'd be doubtful whether many good SP's would want to have their face on TV hence losing their anonymity plus running the risk of being stitched up in the editing suite - unless they had a major ulterior motive, for example they were a pro-prostitution campaigner, or indeed they had a book to sell.

Online PatMacGroin

I always enjoy the Louis Theroux documentaries. It's hard to know if they really are as balanced as they appear, I'm not sure that any of them have been about subjects where I have enough experience to relate to them. Which will make this one more telling.

His skill is his ability to appear sympathetic. It's why his subjects always seem to be so ready to trust him. It's also why us viewers feel like he's on their side, but is also manging to provide a balanced report.

P.S. If you are reading this Louis, come on, say hi!  :hi:  :D

Online PatMacGroin

Here's Ggeorginattyson's take on it - open letter on twatter about the program

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Thanks for this link  :drinks:

Those twitter comments will provide some added perspective when watching the documentary. Of course we should also be mindful of what their motives were for posting them, and getting involved in the documentary in the first place.

No idea who either of these WG's are. The comments about "AW" having such severe autism that she needs "GT" as her care worker were kind of concerning. Makes you wonder, was GT manipulating AW into getting involved in the documentary (or even the sex work in the first place)? And if she really is so severely disabled were the BBC also taking advantage?
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Offline Kelgon85

I completely agree. The programme on Channel 4 chose very rough drug addicts to portray a negative image of protitutes.

Sadly, this is still the stereotypical view a lot have regarding SPs. And we're still the evil, tyrannical men taking advantage of weak and vulnerable women. Bloody hell, I ought to introduce them to some of the ones I’ve seen over the last few years.

Offline LLPunting

A woman compelled by desperation (destitution, food poverty, childcare needs, care needs, addiction) may well be more prevalent at the sub 150 "escort", parlours and streetwalking level but if they're not being coerced in the 150+ band then I wonder just how many SPs would rather do something more "moral" for much less.  Look at their lifestyles and choice of luxuries.  Free of the threat of trafficking and control how many women would choose/consider earning 400+ per day for 4 hours of sex, at whatever level of depravity they are happy to "suffer" at.  Roll in flexible working hours and as much holiday as they can afford...

The problem is not prostitution it's the lack of will, collaboration and ability to deal with the predominantly male controllers harshly enough to make the issue a minor one with ongoing enforcement.