Have we met?

[finn5555]

Well there doesn’t seem to be any focus group or such, so no they don’t give a fuck about us or you

Why should they, no real viable alternative platforms

[RedKettle]

AW are a business, they're not going to consult it's users when they want to add features.

That makes no sense. Most business always extensively consult users/customers before adding or changing features.

[MissWolf]

AW are a business, they're not going to consult it's users when they want to add features.

If SP's really don't like it they can always return the credits to the SS, it's not really that much of a hardship 

If the guys who had sent me tips so far had not been anonymous I could I'm sure return it.

I'm not crying onto my milk and I fully understand they are a business and can do as they please because they are a big business and have the lions share of the market when it comes to working girls advertising.

However any business that provides a service platform for users wants that platform to be as user friendly as possible, because that is how you keep and attract new users, so some kind of consultation or focus group would surely be to their benefit.

Happy users ie the working girls means a much better experience for you the buyers and ultimately that's what this is about, atm they have introduced a new format for number display without any kind of consulting or trial, it's an absolute disaster,  100s of girls are struggling, they are paying to have their number showing and yet its not showing,  that means you the customer have a much more negative experience when trying to contact WGs, the girls are stressed and the whole thing falls on its arse.

Same with this tip feature,  allow the users the choice and those that like it will use it, those that don't, won't, everyone is happy.

[RandomGuy99]

The new beta site is just confusing. It tooks me ages to find my messages. The remember me festure is missing so I have to keep putting in my login details. Frustrating is a good word.

[PilotMan]

Too big too fail, except for Enron.........

You've lost me on that one.

Have AW been at the shredder 

[jkandjol]

Have AW been at the shredder 

 

[captaincrunch]

Do you use AW a lot?

Yeah man 150+ rating mostly webcam.
As to Lack of punts these days that’s true these days but something soon maybe. Anyone I would like to review no longer exists. Such is life.

[Blackpool Rock]

That makes no sense. Most business always extensively consult users/customers before adding or changing features.

Interesting that a lot of the girls (on here at least) aren't happy with the tip feature and the prospect of being given more money for basically nothing 
AW probably figured that any opportunity / new feature that allowed girls to make a bit more cash would be universally welcomed, turns out it isn't, whatever next eh girls will be reducing their rates to rebate punters   

[Blackpool Rock]

If the guys who had sent me tips so far had not been anonymous I could I'm sure return it.

I'm not crying onto my milk and I fully understand they are a business and can do as they please because they are a big business and have the lions share of the market when it comes to working girls advertising.

However any business that provides a service platform for users wants that platform to be as user friendly as possible, because that is how you keep and attract new users, so some kind of consultation or focus group would surely be to their benefit.

Happy users ie the working girls means a much better experience for you the buyers and ultimately that's what this is about, atm they have introduced a new format for number display without any kind of consulting or trial, it's an absolute disaster,  100s of girls are struggling, they are paying to have their number showing and yet its not showing,  that means you the customer have a much more negative experience when trying to contact WGs, the girls are stressed and the whole thing falls on its arse.

Same with this tip feature,  allow the users the choice and those that like it will use it, those that don't, won't, everyone is happy.

I do agree that as soon as I see anything like the tip me feature I tend to roll my eyes and think WTF, it puts me off as it just smacks of a cheap hustle like in a lap dancing / strip club 

Think it was mentioned already that a girl putting a statement on her profile for people not to tip may well result in the profile being taken down, however if you genuinely don't want the money then how about putting a tactfully worded sentence on your profile that any money received from the tip feature will be donated to a charity 

[marc_hotsteppa]

You really don’t have a clue do you

Back in your box please, you don't want another ban now do you? 

[marc_hotsteppa]

That makes no sense. Most business always extensively consult users/customers before adding or changing features.

They really don't though, they'll take feedback AFTER they've intro'd new features in my experience working with and for large companies.

[marc_hotsteppa]

If the guys who had sent me tips so far had not been anonymous I could I'm sure return it.

I'm not crying onto my milk and I fully understand they are a business and can do as they please because they are a big business and have the lions share of the market when it comes to working girls advertising.

However any business that provides a service platform for users wants that platform to be as user friendly as possible, because that is how you keep and attract new users, so some kind of consultation or focus group would surely be to their benefit.

Happy users ie the working girls means a much better experience for you the buyers and ultimately that's what this is about, atm they have introduced a new format for number display without any kind of consulting or trial, it's an absolute disaster,  100s of girls are struggling, they are paying to have their number showing and yet its not showing,  that means you the customer have a much more negative experience when trying to contact WGs, the girls are stressed and the whole thing falls on its arse.

Same with this tip feature,  allow the users the choice and those that like it will use it, those that don't, won't, everyone is happy.

AW, in my experience of using it (granted as a SS) have done this repeatedly and never consulted before implementing any changes.

Some have been reversed/removed after MANY complaints but they'll never change their MO and how they operate.

If they are going to lose money that's usually the only time they'll back down.

[daviemac]

Back in your box please, you don't want another ban now do you? 

How can an SP return something when they don't know who it came from?

As an aside, you can't compare AW with any other large business, advertising paid for sex is a whole different ball game.

[RedKettle]

They really don't though, they'll take feedback AFTER they've intro'd new features in my experience working with and for large companies.

They really do though - not AW but the vast majority of large businesses do considerable research on what their customers want.  Perhaps you are just not in a position to see it or you have worked for poor companies. 

[marc_hotsteppa]

How can an SP return something when they don't know who it came from?

As an aside, you can't compare AW with any other large business, advertising paid for sex is a whole different ball game.

If it hasn't been ticked as 'send anonymously' then surely they'll see who it was from and be able to send it back.

I've sent credits before on AW and it leaves a trail of who you've sent it to.

Advertising methods are the same though regardless of what is being advertised and they all have to abide by regulations set out by the ASA.

[Lou2019]

If it hasn't been ticked as 'send anonymously' then surely they'll see who it was from and be able to send it back.

I've sent credits before on AW and it leaves a trail of who you've sent it to.

Advertising methods are the same though regardless of what is being advertised and they all have to abide by regulations set out by the ASA.

This is about the new tip function though, not sending credits (sorry to butt in there DM)

[spiralnotebook]

However any business that provides a service platform for users wants that platform to be as user friendly as possible

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[MissWolf]

If it hasn't been ticked as 'send anonymously' then surely they'll see who it was from and be able to send it back.

I've sent credits before on AW and it leaves a trail of who you've sent it to.

Advertising methods are the same though regardless of what is being advertised and they all have to abide by regulations set out by the ASA.

I absolutely agree that IF they do not remain anonymous then I'm sure we could send it back, but let's look at some figures.

10 guys send me a £10 tip that's £100 or in this case 100 credits

However only 2 of those choose not to remain anonymous,  so I have potentially 20 credits I can return

Or as someone suggested I can withdraw the 100 credits as £100 and donate to charity,  lovely.

However, again not quite because if I withdraw that credit as cash I can only withdraw £70 because AW take a 30% cut of anything and everything I wish to withdraw.

Now the charities only have £70 but AW are sitting pretty with a clear £30 for doing sweet FA , I have also had to link a bank account to my profile because that's the only way other that highstreet vouchers or a prepaid cosmo card that I can withdraw credits, and I've had to spend God knows how long on admin.

I'm sure guys would much rather just give it directly to the charity, that way they get all of it and on occasion the bank match fund the donation.

AW have given the punters a choice, tip or don't, stay anonymous or don't, it's a damn shame they don't extend the same courtesy to the escorts is all I'm saying, we just want the choice to have it on our profile or not 

[daviemac]

If it hasn't been ticked as 'send anonymously' then surely they'll see who it was from and be able to send it back.

I've sent credits before on AW and it leaves a trail of who you've sent it to.

Advertising methods are the same though regardless of what is being advertised and they all have to abide by regulations set out by the ASA.

You are talking about something other than sending tips and the new feature of sending tips is what this thread is about.

AW don't advertise anything (I am happy to be corrected on this if you can show an advert for AW) so aren't bound by ASA, they are a website for others to place adverts on.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Basically as long as we don't actually want the money you guys tip us and we only spend it on aw for AT, LE, MOD  number subscription etc etc then 'we' get it all.

In reality AW have made a way to silently manoeuvre you guys into paying as well as us, if they had an opt out button then I'd use it.

It's not going to be long before the issue of guys getting butthurt arrives, when they have thrown a load of tips at a girl but she still doesn't reply or let them book.

Maybe it will become the new deposit scam, tip me X amount to secure your booking 

Thanks for clarifying. I was going to reply that basically they get 30% of your  'tips' but it obviously depends on whether you as an SP use your credits buying their services.
Either way it's a bit slimy on their part.The
Just confirms my thought that I would never use it to tip.
I'd rather tip the lady herself in cash if she gives a good service.

[PaulRuff]

Am already seeing girls saying please don't tip me on their profiles.

[DastardlyDick]

Seems aw just trying to spread wings and cover every last base in this industry.

May be they're losing trade to VS etc?

[Bonker]

Sadly the only tip Doc gave me was something about not eating yellow snow   

Well, just refuse to see huskies.

[marc_hotsteppa]

This is about the new tip function though, not sending credits (sorry to butt in there DM)

Where do you think the tips come from?   

[marc_hotsteppa]

I absolutely agree that IF they do not remain anonymous then I'm sure we could send it back, but let's look at some figures.

10 guys send me a £10 tip that's £100 or in this case 100 credits

However only 2 of those choose not to remain anonymous,  so I have potentially 20 credits I can return

Or as someone suggested I can withdraw the 100 credits as £100 and donate to charity,  lovely.

However, again not quite because if I withdraw that credit as cash I can only withdraw £70 because AW take a 30% cut of anything and everything I wish to withdraw.

Now the charities only have £70 but AW are sitting pretty with a clear £30 for doing sweet FA , I have also had to link a bank account to my profile because that's the only way other that highstreet vouchers or a prepaid cosmo card that I can withdraw credits, and I've had to spend God knows how long on admin.

I'm sure guys would much rather just give it directly to the charity, that way they get all of it and on occasion the bank match fund the donation.

AW have given the punters a choice, tip or don't, stay anonymous or don't, it's a damn shame they don't extend the same courtesy to the escorts is all I'm saying, we just want the choice to have it on our profile or not 

SP's and SS's will just have to see how this plays out as I doubt AW will change it any time soon.

Unless of course a LOT of SP's complain about it and / or AW start to lose money due to it.

I'm sure AW will find more ways of getting SS's to part with credits for more 'options' in the future as clearing 30% of withdrawals is a solid and easy way for them to make easy money.

[daviemac]

Where do you think the tips come from? 

Have you tipped an escort using this brand new feature?   

[marc_hotsteppa]

Have you tipped an escort using this brand new feature?   

I don't need to, it tells you if you go into it (first link takes you to the new AW site) and second brings up the following (see image attached)

It defaults to £5 before someone thinks I'm being cheap 



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[daviemac]

I don't need to, it tells you if you go into it (first link takes you to the new AW site) and second brings up the following (see image attached)

It defaults to £5 before someone thinks I'm being cheap 

But you still don't know the end result, only the start of the process.

[marc_hotsteppa]

But you still don't know the end result, only the start of the process.

The end result will be credits go from my account.

From that image above, you can see that anything over 10 credits is greyed out as I currently only have 14.59 credits.

[daviemac]

The end result will be credits go from my account.

From that image above, you can see that anything over 10 credits is greyed out as I currently only have 14.59 credits.

Despite several people telling you that you haven't got a clue you still keep insisting you know better.

A couple of questions for you.

What is the process for an escort to return a tip.

Would AW count the return as withdrawing funds and take 30% meaning it would cost more than she received for the punter to get his money back. £13 to return £10. 

[MissWolf]

The end result will be credits go from my account.

From that image above, you can see that anything over 10 credits is greyed out as I currently only have 14.59 credits.

Tell you what why don't you send me a £10 tip and I will see if there is a way to send it back without it costing me money

It's a gamble wirth taking I'm sure 

And before you all melt I'm not touting I'm just offering to give Mr Hotsteppa a definitive answer 

[PilotMan]

Teamwork in action

 

[Lilywhite]

Thanks for the screenshot,  I'm told when you first press the tip me button it says something like 'Tip me babe' a lot of the girls hate it with a passion.

Maybe we could put our own message, I'd be like "dinnae tip me".

I feel this could be used to try to get around screening by some- ie "I tipped you so you have to see me now." When I was a newbie I might have been swayed by that.

[daviemac]

For the pedants I think I should mention that if AW took their 30% it would actually cost the SP £4,30 to send £10 back.

£14.30 - 30% = £10.01 back to the punter.

Edit

Then that would raise the question of how does the punter withdraw funds? would AW also want 30%??

[Colston36]

Well that explains it then, I just had an email notification to say that I had been left a tip 

I was somewhat confused

You are helpful and funny so you probably deserve it.

[Bonker]

I left the Mohel a tip once.
Don't intend to repeat the experience.
Oy veh?

[scutty brown]

I left the Mohel a tip once.
Don't intend to repeat the experience.
Oy veh?

Once in a lifetime event I guess. Did he use a knife or his teeth?

[scutty brown]

looks to me like this tipping system is simply a way to subvert people into using their new crap website

[Private Parts]

As Miss W confirmed the whole ‘tip’ scenario is confusing.
I am perfectly capable of tipping when warranted.
The very inclusion on an SP’s profile is objectionable.
Talent is always rewarded. 

[big-al93]

As Miss W confirmed the whole ‘tip’ scenario is confusing.
I am perfectly capable of tipping when warranted.
The very inclusion on an SP’s profile is objectionable.
Talent is always rewarded. 

I'm sure it's not what you meant, as in this instance the SP's have no option as it is AW including it on every SP's profile. However if I saw a profile asking for tips, or even findom, paypigs ect.(which I do realise is a service some enjoy, I just don't understand it) This is something that would put me off booking that escort.

[daviemac]

I'm sure it's not what you meant, as in this instance the SP's have no option as it is AW including it on every SP's profile. However if I saw a profile asking for tips, or even findom, paypigs ect.(which I do realise is a service some enjoy, I just don't understand it) This is something that would put me off booking that escort.

I agree with PP, I find the fact AW have decided to put this on SP's profiles objectionable.

[marc_hotsteppa]

Despite several people telling you that you haven't got a clue you still keep insisting you know better.

A couple of questions for you.

What is the process for an escort to return a tip.

Would AW count the return as withdrawing funds and take 30% meaning it would cost more than she received for the punter to get his money back. £13 to return £10. 

Hey man, I know what I know OK ?! and this is from a SS's perspective.

I honestly think you enjoy being argumentative and seem to have it in for a lot of people - are you old and bitter perhaps?

Do you post with a smile on your face? I do.  If you don't, maybe, just maybe you should do - there's a suggestion for you!

I can't answer for the SP's on returning a tip as I'm not a SP and at any point I haven't said I have any knowledge of THAT part of the process - for clarity.

[Count Duckula]

something else i noticed is messaging - normal messaging on the "new" site is a real PITA. however you can now send the lady a text for 1 credit for the initial text and it costs 0.6something credits for each reply that the lady sends... cant check atm as getting a bad gateway error on the new site.

is this new or was it always there and i just never used it?

[Strawberry]

something else i noticed is messaging - normal messaging on the "new" site is a real PITA. however you can now send the lady a text for 1 credit for the initial text and it costs 0.6something credits for each reply that the lady sends... cant check atm as getting a bad gateway error on the new site.

is this new or was it always there and i just never used it?

Paid texting has always existed, not sure if the SP has to turn it on though. Been to look yes there is a tick box for this, I do not know if default is on or off.

[daviemac]

Hey man, I know what I know OK ?! and this is from a SS's perspective.

I honestly think you enjoy being argumentative and seem to have it in for a lot of people - are you old and bitter perhaps?

Do you post with a smile on your face? I do.  If you don't, maybe, just maybe you should do - there's a suggestion for you!

I can't answer for the SP's on returning a tip as I'm not a SP and at any point I haven't said I have any knowledge of THAT part of the process - for clarity.

It's very easy mate, if you don't know how an escort would go about returning a tip don't pretend you do, several people, including SPs, have told you you don't know what you are talking about but you can't accept it. From a SS's point how would I withdraw funds from AW, genuine question as I don't know, I've only ever topped up and paid for PGs.   

Make sure of facts and don't post bullshit and we'll all get on fine.

Edit

Can you explain what you mean by the comment in bold.

[finn5555]

Is there a reason why AW are moving over to the new format 🤷‍♂️

Any thoughts?

[marc_hotsteppa]

It's very easy mate, if you don't know how an escort would go about returning a tip don't pretend you do, several people, including SPs, have told you you don't know what you are talking about but you can't accept it. From a SS's point how would I withdraw funds from AW, genuine question as I don't know, I've only ever topped up and paid for PGs.   

Make sure of facts and don't post bullshit and we'll all get on fine.

Edit

Can you explain what you mean by the comment in bold.

If you re-read what I posted, I didn't pretend to know anything.  I've never said I KNOW how to withdraw from AW as I've never done it.  Neither as a SS or SP (as I'm NOT an SP) again, for clarity.

You have a right attitude with a LOT of people and rub them up the wrong way in my opinion, like you're old and bitter about something.

You only have to look at how ILoveOral deals with people to see the VAST difference in behaviour.

If you have issues, maybe try some introspection or therapy?

[daviemac]

If you re-read what I posted, I didn't pretend to know anything.  I've never said I KNOW how to withdraw from AW as I've never done it.  Neither as a SS or SP (as I'm NOT an SP) again, for clarity.

You have a right attitude with a LOT of people and rub them up the wrong way in my opinion, like you're old and bitter about something.

You only have to look at how ILoveOral deals with people to see the VAST difference in behaviour.

If you have issues, maybe try some introspection or therapy?

Maybe ILO is more tolerant of bullshit than me.

Perhaps you should look at how you go about things, try asking escorts if it's possible to return tips instead of saying they should be able to without giving any thought to any financial cost to them, you also claim AW are bound by various advertising regulations but you haven't shown where the actually advertise.

Can you link to the regulations that cover a website providing facilities for others to advertise on?

I asked you how a punter withdraws funds from AW should an SP return a tip and would AW take a cut as I genuinely don't know but again it's a question you can't answer. If you don't know anything about how escorts could return tips or how punters could withdraw funds why suggest it should be done? again ask if it's possible don't suggest people do it regardless, but all you want to do is continue with personal insults and that is something that has to stop.

Try having a reasonable debate and answer the question asked without any insults or suggestions that you know nothing about.

Edit

I should add I am open to discussions with or answer questions from anyone who has an issue with the way I conduct myself on the forum provided it is done in an adult manner without any petty name calling, abuse or anything of that nature.

[MissWolf]

So a little further information,  several people have been in touch with AW to ask how we return unwanted tips, including anonymous ones and there has been a reply.

AW have now replied, and confirmed that there is no way to return tips, so until they sort something out (and if enough people are objecting I think they'll have to) we're stuck with it.

They did send a link to the suggestion form, which is here: External Link/Members Only

[daviemac]

So a little further information,  several people have been in touch with AW to ask how we return unwanted tips, including anonymous ones and there has been a reply.

AW have now replied, and confirmed that there is no way to return tips, so until they sort something out (and if enough people are objecting I think they'll have to) we're stuck with it.

They did send a link to the suggestion form, which is here: External Link/Members Only

Thanks for the update.