Advice about Punting in Shanghai China?

[JayEZ2K]

I may be in Shanghai for an extended trip, and was wondering if anyone knowledgeable could explain the scene out there and give me a bit of advice? For example, the UK has the Soho Walkups for sex, massage shops for FBSM, AW for FS, various niches like Chinese and Romanians, and of course UKP for collective knowledge on all scenes.

  Can anyone explain the scene out there, and the niche options?

  Any reliable resource for punting in Asia, as close to UKP standards as possible?

  Is it particularly dangerous to punt there as a foreigner? For example, danger of clip joints, robbery, blackmail, police, etc?

[Cambridgy]

Good luck!

It got a bit trickier around three years ago with the removal of a number of key escort sites - like ‘shanghai nightlife’. There are still sites like External Link/Members Only but I can’t vouch for their reliability.

Pre-lockdown my best experiences have come from putting the expense and work in to prepare meets via seeking.com - also plenty of Cocktail Bars on the Bund where both escorts and civvies will be looking to practice their English and delighted to get to know you.

I’ve been offered services at a couple of 5* Hotel Spas I’ve been to in Shanghai - happy to chat over PM. Both therapists started with crazy offers - 3,000RMB for HE (roughly 10 RMB to GBP) - but I learnt my lesson and took a wallet with only 500RMB with me....which they both agreed to B2B and HE - one also throwing in RO, OWO and a promise of “FS next time for 1,000”.

WeChat is a must - the Discover > People Nearby - will usually turn up escorts looking for business once in your area once you arrive - and locals looking for fun. Also, WeChat for Taxis if you can get a local credit card - otherwise that can be a pain. Remember Google Maps won’t work - Apple Maps is OK. WhatsApp is a non starter.

For local massage shops - it’s way easier if you travel with a local to help filter the options. Chatting to your Hotel concierge for a recommendation is also a good option - they will look after you - and there’s no stigma attached.

I’ve never been offered services in any of the large chain Spas in shopping malls...
Enjoy yourself - lots of us here will be very jealous of your trip!!

[wakefieldlad13]

Never been myself but i recall a former work colleague who went out to China with work for 10 weeks

He was into punting and got the taste for chinese girls when he visited a couple of chinese massage places over here, he asked at one of these places and got some good advice including a pre-arranged hook up for his arrival

[Your Chef]

Had 2 trips to Shanghai in the last 5 years.

One stay was in the Ibis at Yuan Gardens and plenty of cards pushed under the door with pictures and phone numbers
The other stay was in the Holiday Inn at the train station north side of the city. There single men were being asked if they wanted a massage, never bothered due to not seeing the lady before giving my room number.

Another regular place is East Nanjing Road where Western men are quite often asked if company is required.

Be careful using WeChat, as stated in the Thailand thread blatant advertising has been blocked and you don't want to ask the wrong lady.

Buildings wise look carefully at "hairdressers". If a bloke is in sight then genuine but if not then possibly a brothel.

Finally there are Western style drinking places north of Xintiandi where I was asked by a lady if I wanted to go for a drink, had to get rid of her before the then girlfriend exited the bar!

Geography wise, I recommend MapsMe. Offline maps which work fine with GPS on your phone.

[Stickitin]

Had 2 trips to Shanghai in the last 5 years.

One stay was in the Ibis at Yuan Gardens and plenty of cards pushed under the door with pictures and phone numbers
The other stay was in the Holiday Inn at the train station north side of the city. There single men were being asked if they wanted a massage, never bothered due to not seeing the lady before giving my room number.

Another regular place is East Nanjing Road where Western men are quite often asked if company is required.

Be careful using WeChat, as stated in the Thailand thread blatant advertising has been blocked and you don't want to ask the wrong lady.

Buildings wise look carefully at "hairdressers". If a bloke is in sight then genuine but if not then possibly a brothel.

Finally there are Western style drinking places north of Xintiandi where I was asked by a lady if I wanted to go for a drink, had to get rid of her before the then girlfriend exited the bar!

Geography wise, I recommend MapsMe. Offline maps which work fine with GPS on your phone.

I never actually made it to mainland China but was fully prepped to go 3 or 4 years back and had to change plans last minute. One of the things I remember reading was to be wary of girls who want to ‘go for a drink’, they then take you to some place they have planned and you get tagged with a massive drinks bill and have to pay it.

[pa5151]

I never actually made it to mainland China but was fully prepped to go 3 or 4 years back and had to change plans last minute. One of the things I remember reading was to be wary of girls who want to ‘go for a drink’, they then take you to some place they have planned and you get tagged with a massive drinks bill and have to pay it.

Yeah that's a known scam in China. I actually got stung by something similar in Moscow from a girl I met on Tinder but I knew what was happening so managed to leave without spending too much or having my head chopped off 

[Icarus]

I may be in Shanghai for an extended trip

Firstly, how on earth do you plan to get out here? I was of the belief that if you aren't a Chinese citizen, the borders are currently closed. In order to get in to China you need a PU letter (in addition to a visa) but PU letters aren't being issued at the moment. Rumours are that you can get in to the country if you have had the Sinovac vaccine in addition to a pre-existing visa, but obviously that's not something you'll be able to get in the UK. Really curious about this so would appreciate a PM if you don't want to make this information public.

Anyway, the paid for sex scene in China is a load of shite as a westerner, but luckily for you Shanghai has some options. None that I can particularly recommend really, but options:

1. Pick up bars - Manhattan and Julie's bar are the two you want to go to in Shanghai. Both relatively close to each other. Get a taxi (DiDi is so cheap its laughable really). There will be a load of, mainly Viet, girls in the bars around 9-10pm albeit less than there would normally be given that the borders are closed. They are all freelancers. Smile and they will approach you, then negotiate. 1-1.5K RMB shortime (this is one pop in China and not a defined time), not sure about overnight rates. Getting a girl in to a hotel has never been an issue.

2. Escorts. This scene is really underdeveloped in China compared to the UK. Although I've never used her, this girl has multiple good reviews on another forum: External Link/Members Only and External Link/Members Only Reports suggest mid 30s (but I mean shes Asian, so probably still looks younger than a 25yo Brit) and a decent GFE w/ Kissing, but nothing too extreme. Multiple reports suggest this agency (some Beijing, some Shanghai) offers a functional, if unremarkable, service: External Link/Members Only

3. Massage. I dont think legit massage exists in Asia and its basically code for getting at least a HJ. Various crackdowns by authorities though mean that saunas change their rules all the god damn time. You might get a HJ, a BJ or, albeit unlikely, FS. You may have to negotiate hard in these places though as I've heard silly starting quotes being given to westerners for extras, like 3k for a BJ. YMMV though.

4. Tinder / WeChat. Tinder profiles with revealing pictures are escort profiles. WeChat -> Discover -> Anyone with a revealing photo (lots of skin or bikini photos) is an escort. I haven't used this site but consider External Link/Members Only to be a head start in this game. It'll give you the girls WeChat on the profiles, so you'll at least avoid searching aimlessly. Pictures are always airbrushed in China (some of the filters/apps they have turn 4s in to 9s) and it'll probably not be photos of her anyway. Performance will be functional because she will know you won't be repeating, so again YMMV.

5. If you are thin or in anyway reasonable looking or better, I'd probably just recommend setting up a Tinder profile ahead of time. Western guys are quite desired + Shanghai women are quite westernised in their views. When I was last in Shanghai I saw a western guy who looked about 50 with an absolute stunner probably in her late 20s or early 30s. You'll get to see a bit of the city this way too.

6. 1k+ rates are westerner rates. Chinese locals pay 6-800 for FS (for 2 hours/ 1 pop as standard) w/ incall girls. Example website here (with some reviews) but you'll need google translate and a lot of the girls will just flat out refuse westerners: External Link/Members Only I also think you need to pay for the contact details of girls posted about in reviews. Street girls charge even less but I have no idea where these areas are in Shanghai. If you feel like going full local you can probably get FS there for 400 RMB or so. Example of the setup: External Link/Members Only This is actually a video of a Shanghai location, but good luck finding these places and good luck negotiating if you cant speak Mandarin. Truly bizarre set ups those though, you literally walk in to peoples front rooms and theres 1-5 girls sitting there on their phones that I presume are all available.

7. Depends how far you wanna push it, but if you're there on business ask whoever is hosting you by bringing up the subject in a tactful way. They will know more than anyone here. Its pretty accepted in Chinese society but I completely get why you wouldn't want to flat out ask.

[casanovy]

Hiya mate,

I spent a number of years based in Thailand, but did take quite a few trips to other places including mainland China. Would agree with many of the previous comments. Don't know of anything like UKP (not in English language anyway). But many working girls will be found in bars, nightclubs, karaoke, massage, hairdress etc. Most are pretty legit catering for the locals. Yes you can be scammed (I have been) so be very wary of that, for example being recommended a place by a taxi driver.

Dating apps might be possible nowadays, but language barrier might be an issue.

Best advice I can give, if you are there on business is to go out with some local guys and let them know you want to meet girls. They will have the local knowledge and also take you to the places that have the locals pricing. For sure you will meet the very elegant light skinned type, I'm sure you will have a great time.

If ever get the time, would also recommend Thailand (of course), Singapore, Malaysia, Korea. Hong Kong used to great but now maybe not so.

[JayEZ2K]

Cheers, thank you all for your expertise! 

This really helps to shed light on a subject that had no knowledge of, and it seems like I could have some decent options, after navigating the learning curve.

[nwluvit]

Not been to Shanghai but was in Ningbo almost 5 years ago.
The hotel I stayed in had a spa. Tried it on the 2nd night. Massage worked out at about £60 for the hour.
This involved me having a shower with the girl watching. I then had to put on some sort of pyjama trousers so was not expecting much.
There then followed an hour of absolute bliss.
Lay on my front then she massaged my back. After a few mins the trousers came off and a great upper leg massage with reach unders commenced. Then I was rimmed. On turn over I had full access to a very pretty Chinese girl with RO thrown in.
A very Happy ending, then she joined me in the shower, dried me off and dressed me.
Needless to say I went back the night before I left and saw the same girl. This time a tad more raunchy than before, but no FS. She did let me Cum in her mouth!
In between times I ventured out and kept walking past what was clearly a local spa. I could see the word masaje under some Chinese writing and it seemed the price was the equivalent of about £50. On the 3rd pass by (3rd day) I took the plunge and rang the door bell. An older lady opened the door, looked surprised to see me then said "Masaje" I smiled and nodded. She beckoned me in.  Had to take clothes off and put them in a locker. Felt odd-me the 6' plus westerner with a bunch of mainly shorter Chinese men waiting for something to happen.
Suddenly some girls appeared and I was allocated a rather nice young thing. She could not speak English and kept looking and laughing at my feet. Size 11 not so common in China I have since learned.
Similar set up to the hotel spa, but here I was bathed top to toe, then massaged - again with some naff disposable nappy type thing on which could not contain my full on erection. More laughter. She was a delight. Slid all over me. Removed the "panties, produced a condom and cow rode me like billyoh!.
One of my most memorable afternoons. I exchanged English money for Chinese at the hotel reception and paid local currency at the outside spa. 
Would like to think if I went back would get the same treatment and not get ripped off as a foreigner as a couple of reports on here have suggested.

When you get there. Enjoy. I found Ningbo streets to be very safe, but never did find any Western bars, so ended up drinking in the Hotels.

[heisenberg.]

I may be in Shanghai for an extended trip, and was wondering if anyone knowledgeable could explain the scene out there and give me a bit of advice? For example, the UK has the Soho Walkups for sex, massage shops for FBSM, AW for FS, various niches like Chinese and Romanians, and of course UKP for collective knowledge on all scenes.

  Can anyone explain the scene out there, and the niche options?

  Any reliable resource for punting in Asia, as close to UKP standards as possible?

  Is it particularly dangerous to punt there as a foreigner? For example, danger of clip joints, robbery, blackmail, police, etc?

How are you getting there during this time? The country is shut off to foreigners completely.

If you do go there, you wont get much paid for sex unless you're Chinese. The escorting scene has died down from its peak due to a crackdown on massage parlours and the like.

The cards under the door etc are a waste of time. It's all fake or the girls are not real just like the Japanese ads you see here.

One guy mention Manhattan or Judy's. I would check out these two if they still exist as I'm not sure if they're still operating due to covid.

I said it in the Taiwan thread, if you are generally ok looking and look after yourself you will get free sex by just dating locally. If you really want a paid service you will have better luck on the outskirts of Shanghai or other cities. Shanghai being a Tier 1 city has to maintain somewhat of a clean reputation.

If you have chinese friends ask them to arrange escorts for you. The local chinese escorts are pretty nice but they generally only deal with their own. If you have a friend to broker it for you then it may work.

[Harry58]

A 30-60 minute high speed train to Suzhou might open up some opportunities- the bars on Shi Quan Lu were still lively 4 months ago. There are a few SPs with reasonable English, although I must admit I benefitted from a Korean colleague who sorted a couple of liaisions. The girls are much friendlier than those in Shanghai or Beijing, in my experience.
 

[Harry58]

ps learn a little Mandarin and you will be surprised at how far it takes you with the girls and the police.