Sex without wearing a condom.

[taplow]

I'm aware of the horror of bareback amongst a lot of people here.  But I can't be the only one on here who likes it. Immediately there'll be a mass condemnation, kind of like in BBC debates about Brexit where everyone immediately starts jeering when someone starts speaking up for it.   
I don't get it to do it much - hardly ever really, but when it comes along I'll take it it. What's the problem?  I'm living in the moment.  When I'm fucking I'm not some sexual socialist thinking about the greater good.  I only visit prostiutes for my pleasure. When did it become the inviolable rule that not wearing a condom was some sort of crime?  It's a forum here, which is a chance for people to share different views rather than to think uniformly.  With reasoned arguments could anyone tell me why I'm wrong?       

[nervous colin]

If you seriously need to know the answer you shouldnt be punting

[Trotter671]

STDs - nuff said really

[taplow]

STDs - nuff said really

It's not that I need the answer for myself.  I want to know why you think I shouldn't do this. 

should have quoted Nervous Colins's post above. 

[YorkshireLad]

If you want to bareback I'd stick to civvies, I wouldn't do it with a WG.

Edit - even then it's best to use a condom.

[taplow]

The thing is at what point should my fear of STD's overcome my pleasure in feeling my cock in a pussy?

[Paris69]

I'm aware of the horror of bareback amongst a lot of people here.  But I can't be the only one on here who likes it. Immediately there'll be a mass condemnation, kind of like in BBC debates about Brexit where everyone immediately starts jeering when someone starts speaking up for it.   
I don't get it to do it much - hardly ever really, but when it comes along I'll take it it. What's the problem?  I'm living in the moment.  When I'm fucking I'm not some sexual socialist thinking about the greater good.  I only visit prostiutes for my pleasure. When did it become the inviolable rule that not wearing a condom was some sort of crime?  It's a forum here, which is a chance for people to share different views rather than to think uniformly.  With reasoned arguments could anyone tell me why I'm wrong?     

Reasoned debate...
If you go bareback then i hope your moral compass means that the next WG you use, you inform her before sex that you recently went B/B.
Only fair and reasonable as this person can then make an informed decision on whether to see you or not.
If not, you are putting the WG at risk (health and future earnings if word gets out) due to your deceit.

The transference of STD's is another argument against B/B; obviously.


I agree that probably most on here prefer b/b: But that's with a partner of their choice; g/friend/wife etc etc and not a 30 minute punt.

[west12345]

The thing is at what point should my fear of STD's overcome my pleasure in feeling my cock in a pussy?

Every man for himself so not judging...but for me a risk/reward calc is enough to put me off...

[Happylad]

In my younger days I knew a young female who had two favourite sayings:-

"There`s no point in wearing a bowler hat when I`m having a shower"

and

"Sex with a condom is like an egg without salt and pepper"

I never heard of her catching any STDs, but she did have to have a couple of "accidents" with a knitting needle

[Punterperson1971]

I'm aware of the horror of bareback amongst a lot of people here.  But I can't be the only one on here who likes it. Immediately there'll be a mass condemnation, kind of like in BBC debates about Brexit where everyone immediately starts jeering when someone starts speaking up for it.   
I don't get it to do it much - hardly ever really, but when it comes along I'll take it it. What's the problem?  I'm living in the moment.  When I'm fucking I'm not some sexual socialist thinking about the greater good.  I only visit prostiutes for my pleasure. When did it become the inviolable rule that not wearing a condom was some sort of crime?  It's a forum here, which is a chance for people to share different views rather than to think uniformly.  With reasoned arguments could anyone tell me why I'm wrong?     

School holidays are not for another few weeks so I reckon you must be wagging school

[Trotter671]

It's not that I need the answer for myself.  I want to know why you think I shouldn't do this. 

should have quoted Nervous Colins's post above.

Of course I like sex without condoms but I have only done so with long term girlfriends. This has been the way for me for years now. I did have one night stands when I was younger and have been lucky I have never had a STD/STI. I just would not chance it myself.

[taplow]

If you go bareback then i hope your moral compass means that the next WG you use, you inform her before sex that you recently went B/B.
Only fair and reasonable as this person can then make an informed decision on whether to see you or not.
If not, you are putting the WG at risk (health and future earnings if word gets out) due to your deceit.

I don't know that that's deceit Jimi. Would she tell me?  I doubt it.  And I can't believe that a lady would really take some stranger who's arrived at her door at his word. 

[webpunter]

+1
Nothing better than when they start off dry & get wet
Not starting off wet with another punter's harry munk 
And that's ignoring fucks knows how many health risks

I agree that probably most on here prefer b/b: But that's with a partner of their choice; g/friend/wife etc etc and not a 30 minute punt.

[taplow]

School holidays are not for another few weeks so I reckon you must be wagging school

Yes, and we're all having a dorm feast. 

[taplow]

The responses here are about STD's.  Surely that's the individual punter's risk isn't it?  Does anyone think the punter has a duty to the wider punting community that overrides his pleasure? 

[taplow]

In my younger days I knew a young female who had two favourite sayings:-

"There`s no point in wearing a bowler hat when I`m having a shower"

and

"Sex with a condom is like an egg without salt and pepper"

I never heard of her catching any STDs, but she did have to have a couple of "accidents" with a knitting needle

+1

[Paris69]

I don't know that that's deceit Jimi. Would she tell me?  I doubt it.  And I can't believe that a lady would really take some stranger who's arrived at her door at his word.

But this is looking at it from your perspective, surely. You asked to be told why you were wrong; not why a WG shouldn't go B/B

[Trenlover]

posts about bareback get  100's of replies within hours on this forum, its still the "hottest" topic lol.

[taplow]

But this is looking at it from your perspective, surely. You asked to be told why you were wrong; not why a WG shouldn't go B/B

As I say, she wouldn't and shouldn't take a stranger's word that he had always used safe sex and she should take appropriate measures to make sure she practices safe sex, which is no different to what she would be doing if the punter had always used a condom.   

[Jonestown]

You have to ask yourself whether you really want to go with a wg who offers bareback, think about it, does she do anal as well, does she even bother to try and clean herself up between punts, apart from the health risks it's all a bit tacky. Or are you imagining that she will just do it with you, that you'll be the special one ?

[Rochelle]

True, they should always protect themselves, but the risk is still much greater with someone who regularly does bareback. A few months ago I had to cancel a booking when I realised that someone was a regular barebacker.
Bareback is amazing and I'm sure we'd all love to be doing it, however the chances of getting an STD just aren't worth it.

[James999]

why I'm wrong?     

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[Jonestown]

Is it true that punters who don't do reviews can't catch stds etc?

[taplow]

You have to ask yourself whether you really want to go with a wg who offers bareback, think about it, does she do anal as well, does she even bother to try and clean herself up between punts, apart from the health risks it's all a bit tacky. Or are you imagining that she will just do it with you, that you'll be the special one ?

I haven't got to do this much and when it has happened I've been well aware that it might have had some risk to it, and I certainly wouldn't think that a working girl would only allow it with me.  The thing is I'd like it if it happened and I see that as my choice. 
I'm glad that everyone here sees it just as my problem. It's just that on this site I've got an awareness of some kind of panic and mayhem about someone doing what they choose to to do. 

[SeekingtheTruth]

If you want to risk your own health that on you, crack on.

But are you seriously telling us that you really don't give a shit about anyone else's health?  Not only are you potentially going to ruin your own health with the plethora of nasty STIs out there that you could pick up off some barebacking skank but you also put every girl you visit at risk and by extension any punter that visits her.

[daviemac]

I'm aware of the horror of bareback amongst a lot of people here.  But I can't be the only one on here who likes it. Immediately there'll be a mass condemnation, kind of like in BBC debates about Brexit where everyone immediately starts jeering when someone starts speaking up for it.   
I don't get it to do it much - hardly ever really, but when it comes along I'll take it it. What's the problem?  I'm living in the moment.  When I'm fucking I'm not some sexual socialist thinking about the greater good.  I only visit prostiutes for my pleasure. When did it become the inviolable rule that not wearing a condom was some sort of crime?  It's a forum here, which is a chance for people to share different views rather than to think uniformly.  With reasoned arguments could anyone tell me why I'm wrong?     

Just review the ones you have barebacked  and stop being a troll.   

[taplow]

Is it true that punters who don't do reviews can't catch stds etc?

Very enigmatic

[rideMeHard]

It's all fun and games until you get something.

I got some massive amount of itches and rash after visiting a prossie once. it was scary and really annoying. I was lucky it was something benign,i cant imagine living with that forever because of some minutes pleasure.

Another thing is that most STI and STD are permanent. they leave scar, they require constant treatment etc
I dont know how you will defend a lump or scar to a prossie

[hendrix]

I think that all punters and all prossies are barebacking someone, so I couldn't care less as I have no way of knowing if you're only barebacking your Mrs or the whole house of trafficked EE skanks

I can only look after myself.

[taplow]

I'm not a troll.  I'm just someone who's trying to have a debate on a forum.

[Jonestown]

I'm not a troll.  I'm just someone who's trying to have a debate on a forum.

Don't be naive, what you're doing is liking to walking into a synagogue and trying to start a debate on the merits of smoked and unsmoked bacon.

[Flunt]

I'm aware of the horror of bareback amongst a lot of people here.  But I can't be the only one on here who likes it. Immediately there'll be a mass condemnation, kind of like in BBC debates about Brexit where everyone immediately starts jeering when someone starts speaking up for it.   
I don't get it to do it much - hardly ever really, but when it comes along I'll take it it. What's the problem?  I'm living in the moment.  When I'm fucking I'm not some sexual socialist thinking about the greater good.  I only visit prostiutes for my pleasure. When did it become the inviolable rule that not wearing a condom was some sort of crime?  It's a forum here, which is a chance for people to share different views rather than to think uniformly.  With reasoned arguments could anyone tell me why I'm wrong?     

Your money, your choice. You could go to some far eastern country and play Russian Roulette and make some serious money, bet every penny you have on winning 'cause it doesn't matter if you lose!

For some there is more to punting than dipping your wick. How about reverse oral before you fuck, you could lick out the previous deposit?

The trouble with bare backing a pro$$ie is some naive belief that you're unique, special and safe. For arguments sake, let's assume you're paying some cheap EE who is doing BB with 70+ punters a week and those 70+ punters are doing the same with a dozen others over a three month period and all those dozen other pro$$ies are shagging 70+ punters a week. What are the chances of one of those being infected and starting an epidemic? What if you mix it up a bit and visit non-BB pro$$ies and you have an STI and pass it on?

That's why there is mass condemnation.

[taplow]

Don't be naive, what you're doing is liking to walking into a synagogue and trying to start a debate on the merits of smoked and unsmoked bacon.

I grew up among the Hassidic Jewish community in Stoke Newington.  I found them very open to debate.   

[smiths]

I'm aware of the horror of bareback amongst a lot of people here.  But I can't be the only one on here who likes it. Immediately there'll be a mass condemnation, kind of like in BBC debates about Brexit where everyone immediately starts jeering when someone starts speaking up for it.   
I don't get it to do it much - hardly ever really, but when it comes along I'll take it it. What's the problem?  I'm living in the moment.  When I'm fucking I'm not some sexual socialist thinking about the greater good.  I only visit prostiutes for my pleasure. When did it become the inviolable rule that not wearing a condom was some sort of crime?  It's a forum here, which is a chance for people to share different views rather than to think uniformly.  With reasoned arguments could anyone tell me why I'm wrong?     

What you do is a matter for you, for all I know anyone is doing anything with anybody. In punting its fucking obvious to me and its my view I care about that fucking WGs BB is utter madness. The risk to reward ratio makes it madness for me, same with civvies in my case outside a relationship and even then I am lying and cheating so my partner could be for all I know.

As I see it a WG or skank as I view them prepared to offer BB to punters is very likely to have attracted fucking idiots some of whom may already be infected and so increase the chances as I see them of infecting others, and of course bug chasers. So I avoid WGs who I know offer BB to punters.

Ultimately fucking without a condom isn't worth the risk to me knowing what I might catch which includes nasties like Herpes that could recur.

[taplow]

Flunt, okay that's why everyone might condemn a barebacker. He doing something that others might disagree with but it's no heresy.  it's like not recycling or not picking up your dog's shit. 
Smiths, yes dangerous, but that's the risk.  On the rare occasions, it's worth it. I don't have a partner that I bareback with. Where's the problem? 

[Rochelle]

Flunt, okay that's why everyone might condemn a barebacker. He doing something that others might disagree with but it's no heresy.  it's like not recycling or not picking up your dog's shit. 
Smiths, yes dangerous, but that's the risk.  On the rare occasions, it's worth it. I don't have a partner that I bareback with. Where's the problem?

Wow

[smiths]

Flunt, okay that's why everyone might condemn a barebacker. He doing something that others might disagree with but it's no heresy.  it's like not recycling or not picking up your dog's shit. 
Smiths, yes dangerous, but that's the risk.  On the rare occasions, it's worth it. I don't have a partner that I bareback with. Where's the problem?

Worth it to you, not to me, how you assess your risk level is up to you obviously. If you truly literally don't give a fuck about the risk and to you the reward is worth it you are going to do it whatever anyone on here might post.

[stampjones]

These threads are quite funny in a way and kind of show the cognitive dissonance most of us live with.
The reality is what taplow says is perfectly valid. If he can find a skank who will bb him and he wants to do it, why shouldnt he? Yeah we can act all moralistic but its basically the same arguments mumsnet use against the rest of us so its really pretty hypocritical. All we differ in is degree.
The point is punting is risky. We alk know that and decide what risk we are willing to accept and go for it. Eg most punters on here, myself included, would never go near a prossie who advertises bb but most of us would go owo with anyone else.
Thing is its not an absolute route to success. Taplow could spend his life disease free and any of the rest of us could get something very nasty from a single owo session. But we dont want to think that cos we like owo. So we kid ourselves we are being "safe", but really we're not - we're just lowering the risk.
And thats the point. Punting - or even non monogomous sex - is risk. Thats the game. We have no fucking clue what our sexual partners get up to and that is scary so we would rather live in denial. People like taplow force us to face up to that hence the vociferous reaction against this type of post. But its not him thats the problem - the problem is that this is a risky game.

My view: understand the risks, make your choices and shut the fuck up. Its not taplow and his ilk that are the problem imo - they are just doing their thing the exact same way the rest of us are - its the people that dont want to face up to reality and go mental on topics like this that are the problem. You are right that bb is risky and stupid etc but when you get on your moral high horse, really you are nobetter than a mumsnetter. PS I include myself in the "you" of the last sentence

[stampjones]

So to put it another way - I dont agree with bb and I think if you do it you are a fucking idiot but if you want to and you can find someone equally stupid to do it with - good luck - knock yourself out (literally). The rest of us should just note it, factor it into our risk calculations and move on - there's nothing else to see.

[taplow]

Stampjones, even if I disagreed with you - though I don't - that's a great post. 

[taplow]

Worth it to you, not to me, how you assess your risk level is up to you obviously. If you truly literally don't give a fuck about the risk and to you the reward is worth it you are going to do it whatever anyone on here might post.

Of course, that's the thing.  It's my personal risk.  What I wonder is why there is this mass hysteria and condemnation on here about what other people choose to do in the room.   

[The man]

It's not just the spread of everyday stds that are the problem, you risk catching hiv which if it develops into aids tends to kill people (yes i know treatment for hiv is very good now at preventing that but it's currently still a life sentence and it's possible that it could mutate to become drug resistant). By significantly increasing your risk of catching it and then continuing to bareback other (stupid) people you're putting lives at risk and you're doing that just for a bit more sensation during a few minutes of sex? Honestly it doesn't feel that much better! It would be more acceptable if all the people doing it were just the same punters doing the same barebacking escorts over and over (you could live on your own biblical style leper colony on the isle of wight  ) but it's not, some of them will also be doing it in civvie life with partners who aren't aware of their extensive activities and spreading their disease further.

[taplow]

It's not just the spread of everyday stds that are the problem, you risk catching hiv which if it develops into aids tends to kill people (yes i know treatment for hiv is very good now at preventing that but it's currently still a life sentence and it's possible that it could mutate to become drug resistant). By significantly increasing your risk of catching it and then continuing to bareback other (stupid) people you're putting lives at risk and you're doing that just for a bit more sensation during a few minutes of sex? Honestly it doesn't feel that much better! It would be more acceptable if all the people doing it were just the same punters doing the same barebacking escorts over and over (you could live on your own biblical style leper colony on the isle of wight  ) but it's not, some of them will also be doing it in civvie life with partners who aren't aware of their extensive activities and spreading their disease further.

We're all dying anyway, especially us "stupid" people - I imagine stupid means they disagree with you.  If I heard about your idea of all the people who would prefer not to wear condoms going off to fuck each other on the Isle of Wight, I'd certainly be interested in joining - though I'd be back on the ferry to Portsmouth for some anti-biotics.   
You say it doesn't feel much better without a condom so good for you, carry on using them.  But in this world there are people who have different views to you.  Thank the frail and tempered lord. 

[fatboy]

These threads are quite funny in a way and kind of show the cognitive dissonance most of us live with.
The reality is what taplow says is perfectly valid. If he can find a skank who will bb him and he wants to do it, why shouldnt he? Yeah we can act all moralistic but its basically the same arguments mumsnet use against the rest of us so its really pretty hypocritical. All we differ in is degree.
The point is punting is risky. We alk know that and decide what risk we are willing to accept and go for it. Eg most punters on here, myself included, would never go near a prossie who advertises bb but most of us would go owo with anyone else.
Thing is its not an absolute route to success. Taplow could spend his life disease free and any of the rest of us could get something very nasty from a single owo session. But we dont want to think that cos we like owo. So we kid ourselves we are being "safe", but really we're not - we're just lowering the risk.
And thats the point. Punting - or even non monogomous sex - is risk. Thats the game. We have no fucking clue what our sexual partners get up to and that is scary so we would rather live in denial. People like taplow force us to face up to that hence the vociferous reaction against this type of post. But its not him thats the problem - the problem is that this is a risky game.

My view: understand the risks, make your choices and shut the fuck up. Its not taplow and his ilk that are the problem imo - they are just doing their thing the exact same way the rest of us are - its the people that dont want to face up to reality and go mental on topics like this that are the problem. You are right that bb is risky and stupid etc but when you get on your moral high horse, really you are nobetter than a mumsnetter. PS I include myself in the "you" of the last sentence

Totally agree - the most lucid post on bareback I have read so far !
Cheers, FB 

[The man]

We're all dying anyway, especially us "stupid" people - I imagine stupid means they disagree with you.  If I heard about your idea of all the people who would prefer not to wear condoms going off to fuck each other on the Isle of Wight, I'd certainly be interested in joining - though I'd be back on the ferry to Portsmouth for some anti-biotics.   
You say it doesn't feel much better without a condom so good for you, carry on using them.  But in this world there are people who have different views to you.  Thank the frail and tempered lord.

It's not just about having a different view to me, Election, Brexit, meat vs vegetarian, big tits vs small tits etc we all have different views and that's fine but when your actions put other peoples lives at risk that makes you an idiot. Saying we're all dying anyway? really? that's an excuse a 12 year old would give. I also wasn't suggesting all the people who prefer bareback go to the leper colony....just the barebacking skank escorts and their customers, enjoy your hols there 

[Steely Dan]

Of course, that's the thing.  It's my personal risk.  What I wonder is why there is this mass hysteria and condemnation on here about what other people choose to do in the room.

It is NOT just your personal risk if you lie about it and fuck escorts soon after. There is a thing about herd immunity / herd infection and the mathematics are sound.

If you increase your chances of getting a serious STI, then the likelihood of others getting it ('the herd' which includes me) go up. Small change perhaps, but a change in the wrong direction.

If after BB sex, you don't have sex with a prostitute until after the incubation and you have a test and get an all clear, then risk for me is back to what it was.  But I don't see you promising that.  While part of me wants idiots like you to get what you deserve, the logical part of me urges you to wake up and save yourself to save us.

Or if you tell the truth to all escorts that you BB some escorts when you can, other escorts can avoid you, and again my risk is back to where it should be.  Punters and escorts are a fairly closed, clearly promiscuous community.  The risks of this sub herd are greater if we don't take greater care.  If you wont take care, I want you to fuck off out of my sub herd.  I have not got a model to prove this, but I judge if we all behaved like you for every time, we all would get an STI this year. Every BB encounter of our herd is one too many. 

[The Vicar of Dibley]

Stampjones....Your reply number 37 is one of the best posts I have read on here for a long while. I salute you sir 

[taplow]

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[taplow]

It is NOT just your personal risk if you lie about it and fuck escorts soon after. There is a thing about herd immunity / herd infection and the mathematics are sound.

If you increase your chances of getting a serious STI, then the likelihood of others getting it ('the herd' which includes me) go up. Small change perhaps, but a change in the wrong direction.

If after BB sex, you don't have sex with a prostitute until after the incubation and you have a test and get an all clear, then risk for me is back to what it was.  But I don't see you promising that.  While part of me wants idiots like you to get what you deserve, the logical part of me urges you to wake up and save yourself to save us.

Or if you tell the truth to all escorts that you BB some escorts when you can, other escorts can avoid you, and again my risk is back to where it should be.  Punters and escorts are a fairly closed, clearly promiscuous community.  The risks of this sub herd are greater if we don't take greater care.  If you wont take care, I want you to fuck off out of my sub herd.  I have not got a model to prove this, but I judge if we all behaved like you for every time, we all would get an STI this year. Every BB encounter of our herd is one too many.

I didn't know I belonged to a herd.  Anyway, you'll be surprised to know that despite being an idiot from Barrytown I competely agree with you.  But the fact is that the last thing I'm going to think about when I'm faced with that pussy are your equations.  That's the reality of it.

[smiths]

I didn't know I belonged to a herd.  Anyway, you'll be surprised to know that despite being an idiot from Barrytown I competely agree with you.  But the fact is that the last thing I'm going to think about when I'm faced with that pussy are your equations.  That's the reality of it.

And that sums the difference up for me. I want to reduce my risk as much as I can, it wont be much but its worth doing over not for me, so I can at least avoid a WG who advertises she offers BB to punters. It may well not stop me getting infected off a WG who doesn't advertise she offers BB at some time but apart from not punting I cant do much about that, if anything in reality.

And of course I am not including a WG who doesn't advertise she offers BB to punters but who does to her partner/pimp/other/s, its all cock wherever it comes from and that cock could of been anywhere with anyone. Nothing I can do about that.