Increasing punting costs = increasing no-shows?

[rhubarb]

I've been thinking about this ever since the covid price surge..
its getting so expensive for even a half hour booking these days, there's no room for 'take-a-chance' punts anymore. I'm looking at AW and thinking 'Christ, 120 quid for a quickie?'. how can i possibly justify this? I just can't pull the trigger and make a booking.
I'm wondering how many guys are in the same situation but are making the bookings, and only changing their minds later on becoming a no-show? When they actually look at that big stack of notes from the cash machine and realise how fking hard it was to gather, and deciding 'fk that greedy bastard, surgeons don't get paid that much!'

I used to book 30 minutes to test the waters, and if it was shit but only 50-60 quid, i could live with that. i just can't face paying almost double that to see if they're any good, especially since freedom to punt is very restricted nowadays.
does anyone else think that lower prices might mean far fewer no-shows?

[Colston36]

All statistics without exception say there is a massive amount of money saved up by people. Clearly there must be huge variations - I've had to cough up vast sums for dental work. Whether there are more people than before too thick to make their minds up, chronically indecisive or just plain unreliable is another matter.

[billybobsmith]

I had a 1/2 hour meet last night (will review in a few days when time allows from work). 

Nothing that really jumped out at me in my area, or anywhere that didn't require a good 1-2 hours of travel, so this sufficed.  Maybe if I have a day or two off, I'll travel further afield and spend an extra few £.
Turned out the time I booked was about right.  Rushed in some aspects compared to an hour, nothing spectacular from either of us, but job done.
Did have some thoughts about not showing, but thought to myself "it's not a major amount of cash, haven't been near a woman for 6 months, and a shag's a shag at this point in time!"

Honestly, I always have misgivings when it comes to a booking.  Either enjoy myself and then feel regret having spent £140, or just end up wishing I'd stayed home.
I wouldn't not turn up for a booking unless something really didn't seem right i.e. someone hanging around outside; really really dodgy area; far too obvious, say on a busy main road; radio silence; obscure instructions that make you drive all other and jump through hoops to meet her etc.

I'm always a little picky when it comes to a punt.  Can take me ages to get around to one, assuming of course anyone replies and/or fits in with my schedule.
Whilst I'd rather pay £120 than £140-£150, it's not breaking the bank, but still I feel a little reluctant to spend that on a chance encounter.

[Moby Dick]

You should ring up the SP and cancel rather then no show.
It’s common courtesy.

Otherwise I reckon SP “logic” will tell her increase the 30minutes price to cover costs of no shows.
And if they continue to get no shows then deposits will become more common.

So don’t “no show”, ring her up or message her to cancel otherwise you fuck it up for others!

[southcoastpunter]

You should ring up the SP and cancel rather then no show.
It’s common courtesy.

Otherwise I reckon SP “logic” will tell her increase the 30minutes price to cover costs of no shows.
And if they continue to get no shows then deposits will become more common.

So don’t “no show”, ring her up or message her to cancel otherwise you fuck it up for others!

+1
we punters, quite rightly,  give the WG a hard time and a "negative" review for a "no show" - its exactly the same the other way round - just plain rude and unacceptable.

[Jeffe]

You should ring up the SP and cancel rather then no show.
It’s common courtesy.

Otherwise I reckon SP “logic” will tell her increase the 30minutes price to cover costs of no shows.
And if they continue to get no shows then deposits will become more common.

So don’t “no show”, ring her up or message her to cancel otherwise you fuck it up for others!

100% this, no shows will just make it tougher for punters

[Neo]

My hard limits are:
15min - Max £40
30min - Max £60/70 if she's fit
£60min - Max £100/£120

[cpw_19]

And if they continue to get no shows then deposits will become more common.

Deposit requests are already much more common than before.

Before the big 'rona kicked off I was a 2-3 times a month punter. Now it's maybe once every three months, and my last punt was start of Dec.

Seems like every fucker wants a deposit for an outcall. I won't entertain any of them.

[rhubarb]

Hope I was clear that I always honour a booking if I made it. I'm just speculating if it's rising costs that are making some guys bail out at the last minute and leave SPs hanging. ( I genuinely can't understand going to all the trouble of booking if you aren't going to go). I think the no-shows are why SPs overbook, which means punters getting bumped and need a plan b.. so I'm wondering how it can change.

I'm preparing for the first punt in a very long time, and I hate that the choice locally is mostly high risk profiles with a high risk of poor service/Romanians in disguise. Combine that with the prices.. and the risk of being stood up by the SP anyway? It's taking all the fun out of this!

[lewisjones23]

My hard limits are:
15min - Max £40
30min - Max £60/70 if she's fit
£60min - Max £100/£120

show me a fit WG that is available for 60/70 or 100/120 please

[Mr Doodle]

I the cost of the punt makes the risk too much for the reward, or is too expenisve for the punter's wallet, don't make the booking in the first place - simples.

Guess, excess demand over a smaller supply has resulted in prices going up... Although those SPs I have seen before who are still working are advertising the same prices as pre-pandemic.. maybe I just go for those in low demand...

[robsmith149]

show me a fit WG that is available for 60/70 or 100/120 please

There's loads of them, unfortunately nearly all on AW are shitty Roms. Some fit English in parlours for less than that price.

[JamesKW]

Over the last year I have paid £60 for half hour,no one cancelled,no different to normal,except I havent been to a party for ages.

[Mr Sinister]

My hard limits are:
15min - Max £40
30min - Max £60/70 if she's fit
£60min - Max £100/£120

This is my limit too, however I don't do 1 hour punts anymore I just don't enjoy it.

A wg I'd seen previously a couple of times returned and put her prices right up like £60 for 15 minutes, £80 for 30 minutes which I found bizarre. I questioned her about this and asked if she would do a punt at her previous prices she initially gave me a £5 discount, said no thanks, before dropping it down to £10 again no thanks there are better wgs in my 40-150 price scale. She's an average looking wg with a nice ass but nothing special to up her rates in such a way.

The thing is as punters we are the ones with the money so have options.

[Buttons]

Deposit requests are easy to deal with. Just say thanks, but no thanks. If more punters did that SP’s would soon get the message. There must be some right fluffy cunts out there who send cash deposits, which is why it’s on the increase.

[Neo]

This is my limit too, however I don't do 1 hour punts anymore I just don't enjoy it.

A wg I'd seen previously a couple of times returned and put her prices right up like £60 for 15 minutes, £80 for 30 minutes which I found bizarre. I questioned her about this and asked if she would do a punt at her previous prices she initially gave me a £5 discount, said no thanks, before dropping it down to £10 again no thanks there are better wgs in my 40-150 price scale. She's an average looking wg with a nice ass but nothing special to up her rates in such a way.

The thing is as punters we are the ones with the money so have options.

I would never do a 1hr punt first attempt since I dont know what they're like. The exception is Asian Thai lasses as they are usually a little bit more obedient in my view.

[Moby Dick]

I would never do a 1hr punt first attempt since I dont know what they're like. The exception is Asian Thai lasses as they are usually a little bit more obedient in my view.

 

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[chadpitt]

If a girl costs too much I don't consider them. Any girl asking for the moon is herself worth a grain of sand.

[Home Alone]

If a girl costs too much I don't consider them. Any girl asking for the moon is herself worth a grain of sand.

That sounds like it's a quotation from somewhere, chadpitt; but google didn't identify it for me. If it is, where's it from please?

And on topic, I wonder if this is an issue only for some of us - maybe the younger? - punters. I'm no longer one who takes a punt on seeing a new girl every time. As I've got older, I've become settled with seeing only Regulars and as another one retires, the thought occurs that maybe I ought to consider doing similar.

[Rochelle]

Deposit requests are easy to deal with. Just say thanks, but no thanks. If more punters did that SP’s would soon get the message. There must be some right fluffy cunts out there who send cash deposits, which is why it’s on the increase.

You don't have to be a fluffy cunt to send a deposit. If they really want to see that person, and they believe it's a genuine request, why wouldn't they?

I always ask for a deposit. If I'm being sent on a wild goose chase then at least it doesn't come out of my pocket.
If they don't want to send £20, £30, or whatever, that's fine by me. Plenty girls out there that don't require a deposit.

[chadpitt]

That sounds like it's a quotation from somewhere, chadpitt; but google didn't identify it for me. If it is, where's it from please?

And on topic, I wonder if this is an issue only for some of us - maybe the younger? - punters. I'm no longer one who takes a punt on seeing a new girl every time. As I've got older, I've become settled with seeing only Regulars and as another one retires, the thought occurs that maybe I ought to consider doing similar.

@Home Alone I heard the moon part from somewhere but couldn't remember the rest so I put in the sand part.

[Sexpest]

The simple fact is punters are paying it otherwise they wouldn’t be charging it. No woman is gonna go to a working place and sit there on her ass day after day with no work.
I’ve seen lots of more expensive working girls and I know they are busy because I’ve had to work around their times etc. In central London often lunch times and 5pm is hard to secure. These girls get booked up. I think the dusty phone thing is a myth. Women I’m seeing were £200 an hour before the pandemic and 200 after. It’s just the cheaper ones that have upped their price.
If someone wants to fuck a working girl they will do it no matter what people say about them. I’ve seen girls on here with awful feedback and men still go. We will always think with our dicks first that is obvious.

[nbarnes]

The simple fact is punters are paying it otherwise they wouldn’t be charging it. No woman is gonna go to a working place and sit there on her ass day after day with no work.
I’ve seen lots of more expensive working girls and I know they are busy because I’ve had to work around their times etc. In central London often lunch times and 5pm is hard to secure. These girls get booked up. I think the dusty phone thing is a myth. Women I’m seeing were £200 an hour before the pandemic and 200 after. It’s just the cheaper ones that have upped their price.
If someone wants to fuck a working girl they will do it no matter what people say about them. I’ve seen girls on here with awful feedback and men still go. We will always think with our dicks first that is obvious.

This is probably correct. For every clued-up UKP punter, I think there are 20 fluffy cunts on AW that will put with almost anything to get a sniff.

These are the twats that put up with shit\bad timekeeping, pay for extras that should be included, get EAS, tell girls to raise their prices etc.

No bookings = dusty phone = prices come down \ more effort put in.

I can only speak for the Midlands - but I haven't noticed huge differences in pricing, and have done a few punts throughout the pandemic. I personally think supply and demand have dropped roughly in proportion, so pricing hasn't gotten too much out of control.  (I got an early exposure and then a vaccination, so I was as safe as I was going to get)

[nbarnes]

You don't have to be a fluffy cunt to send a deposit. If they really want to see that person, and they believe it's a genuine request, why wouldn't they?

I always ask for a deposit. If I'm being sent on a wild goose chase then at least it doesn't come out of my pocket.
If they don't want to send £20, £30, or whatever, that's fine by me. Plenty girls out there that don't require a deposit.

I don't really like deposits - but of course, I do understand why No Shows are such a problem for WGs (and any small business)

£20/30 isn't a lot of money and for a WG as a rational actor a rip off is unlikely as it's a small fraction of what the punt will bring in.
No WG in her right mind would risk £140ish for the sake of £20.

My issues with it -
Some are NOT rational actors, and there have been tales of deposit rip offs.
Almost every electronic transaction leaves a trail \ reveals real names to people.

It's a tough one   

[Rochelle]

I don't really like deposits - but of course, I do understand why No Shows are such a problem for WGs (and any small business)

£20/30 isn't a lot of money and for a WG as a rational actor a rip off is unlikely as it's a small fraction of what the punt will bring in.
No WG in her right mind would risk £140ish for the sake of £20.

My issues with it -
Some are NOT rational actors, and there have been tales of deposit rip offs.
Almost every electronic transaction leaves a trail \ reveals real names to people.

It's a tough one   

Some guys just aren't that bothered about real names. I mostly do outcalls to homes, so I would think that a name is the least of their worries.

It just depends on you, at the end of the day.
If you think she's reputable, and she insists on a deposit for an outcall, why not just do it?

[MysteryManNo.7]

show me a fit WG that is available for 60/70 or 100/120 please

Quite a few fit WGs at HOD for £70 for 30 mins or £130 for 60 mins. Of course it comes with the usual caveats of conveyor belt experience, not getting your full time (though that has only happened to me once in 50 or so visits) and it being a brothel but overall good VFM.

[Payyourwaymate]

Deposit requests are easy to deal with. Just say thanks, but no thanks. If more punters did that SP’s would soon get the message. There must be some right fluffy cunts out there who send cash deposits, which is why it’s on the increase.

I agree and I think the greater tragedy is for all these deposit payers that get scammed is that they seem to refuse to report it to their bank to get the scammers account investigated and frozen. Instead they just chalk it up to the game and the scammer runs rampant. That would make them think twice if the punters reported them, it's literally scamming purporting to do one thing, taking funds and then absconding from the commitment, they can report their bank accounts for it but the punter seems to think they are only ones at risk. As long as personal details are up in the air...everyone is at risk not just the punter .

[southcoastpunter]

I agree and I think the greater tragedy is for all these deposit payers that get scammed is that they seem to refuse to report it to their bank to get the scammers account investigated and frozen. Instead they just chalk it up to the game and the scammer runs rampant.

That is one hell of an ask to a married guy or a guy in a relationship - and frankly I don't think your bank would do much. They would say "so you made a payment of your own free will for a service which wasn't delivered" - that happens in normal everyday life every day and the banks don't do anything. Its only if you pay for a service on a credit card (not even a debit card) would you have some come back for non delivery of agreed services.

And for most guys (even those not in a relationship) is the hassle and potential embarrisement etc worth the £50 or whatever? Probably not! That is why its chalked up to experience!

[luv2kiss54]

Hope I was clear that I always honour a booking if I made it. I'm just speculating if it's rising costs that are making some guys bail out at the last minute and leave SPs hanging. ( I genuinely can't understand going to all the trouble of booking if you aren't going to go). I think the no-shows are why SPs overbook, which means punters getting bumped and need a plan b.. so I'm wondering how it can change.

I'm preparing for the first punt in a very long time, and I hate that the choice locally is mostly high risk profiles with a high risk of poor service/Romanians in disguise. Combine that with the prices.. and the risk of being stood up by the SP anyway? It's taking all the fun out of this!

Glad you clarified that you do show if you make a booking, after all you know the price when you book so no excuse not to turn up. Like you the higher prices are taking the fun out of it i just wont pay these ridiculous prices on principle so will go without for now or until i find one in my price range. I did enquire recently of a new english girl who took my fancy but was advertising at £90 half, £180 for an hour. Over my limit but 6 months without any action prompted me to send her a text to ask about a booking. She replied that she was available but if i wanted oral without and kissing it would be another £30 ffs. Needless to say that ended my interest ,greedy bitch.

[Ali Katt]

A few escorts on my HL, some of whom I've seen before have reappeared after being MIA this week and at the same rates, so I think things are stabilizing. TBH I would be willing to pay slightly more for those that I've seen and know to be exceptional. I stay out of COVID talk for the most part, but a lot of people had the first vaccine, as well as benign flu jabs over winter so we are in a better position than we were a year ago. Escorts can charge what they want, personally I've no interest in paying say double the price than last year or ridiculous extras like say £50 for a BJ or only a massage is available.

I'm not sure about no shows. They have been the bane of escorts for as long as I can remember. Shame as it gives a bad reputation to genuine punters and builds distrust. Booking and not turning up unless for genuine reasons is pathetic. Seriously who withdraws cash and thinks fuck it I will stay in and have a wank 10 minutes before a booking? Walter Mitty?

[petermisc]

While no-shows are unfortunately a part of life for WGs, my impression is that they are a bigger problem for the WGs at the lower end of the market than they are for the girls at the top end of the market.  The kind of punter who can afford 200-300 quid has usually thought hard about spending that amount of cash and has planned his visit and so is less likely to bail than one who is only spending 50 or 60 quid on a spur of the moment impulse.  Certainly it tends to be the low-cost girls who double-book and take back-back bookings, because they can't rely on the punters to turn up.

[Ticker]

show me a fit WG that is available for 60/70 or 100/120 please

Come up Manchester way, there's plenty:-

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I'd agree that indepentant prices have gone up.

[petermisc]

My impression is that the most dramatic price rises have been in London, particularly with the EE agencies, where £250 an hour seems to be the new normal, plus an increasing number of things being charged as extras.  With the independents, most of those who kept working during the lockdowns seem to have pegged their prices.  Those who took a break, some have used the opportunity to up their prices, but only moderately, £120 has become £130 for example.  It is the newcomers who seem to have a ridiculously inflated idea of their worth. Hopefully once travel restrictions ease we will be getting more girls in from EE, but fingers crossed not at these ridiculous rates.

Outside London, some prices have even dropped, you can now get a 15 minute p&d from a VS ROM for just £20 in Brum.

The biggest challenge at present is the lack of talent.  My hot list has plenty of plan Bs, but hardly any plan As.

[southcoastpunter]

Outside London, some prices have even dropped, you can now get a 15 minute p&d from a VS ROM for just £20 in Brum.

The biggest challenge at present is the lack of talent. 

is this a chicken and egg situation? New talent (real talent) is unlikely to be attracted into the industry for that sort of money!

[Payyourwaymate]

That is one hell of an ask to a married guy or a guy in a relationship....

And for most guys (even those not in a relationship) is the hassle and potential embarrisement etc worth the £50 or whatever? Probably not! That is why its chalked up to experience!

I see...I suppose the cycle will just continue then.

[blend57]

The acid test will be once this (and hopefully final) lockdown is over if WGs increase their prices for their regulars. Some WGs keep their regulars on the prices they first charged their regular or keep increases to a minimum. This to try and keep their regulars and so to have a regular income.

[mradventures]

Theres probably more no shows because of the rona. horny > think with penis > book escort > sometime later get scared...

[Moby Dick]

Theres probably more no shows because of the rona. horny > think with penis > book escort > sometime later get scared...

The reason / excuse is insignificant.
Just let the WG know so she isn’t expecting you and can make other plans.

[mr.bluesky]

Extreme bad manners in my opinion to make a booking then not show up without letting the service provider know. No excuses.  If you can't make it for whatever reason the do the decent thing and ring them. I know talking to some of them it pisses them off. Same as making a booking and turning up half an hour late.