Decoding WGs preferences lists on AW

[Troydor69]

I had a UK based punt a few days back (review to follow soon) and as it was just my second one this year from AW (I’ve had others but mostly in Spain) it got me thinking. About the preferences lists on WGs profiles.

Most of us will look for a particular service when looking for a new girl, or a girl in a new area. OWO being a common thing that many punters seek out. On AW service providers can list “oral without protection”, or “oral without at discretion”. That’s entirely fair enough. My understanding is that if it’s listed then she will generally do it without question, if it’s listed “at discretion” she might, she might not. Now obviously all acts are consensual, and therefore at both parties discretion. Also obviously if a punter turns up unwashed or with open sores then whatever a profile says the girl has the right to refuse service.  My understanding is that if a service is listed then the girl will offer that service providing you are clean and healthy looking. If it’s at discretion then she reserves the right to refuse without having to give reasons.  Again this is all fair enough.

My confusion is when a WG list both “oral without protection” and “oral without at discretion” on her profile together. Two separate things surely? I always think when both are listed then either the WG doesn’t understand the concept of the preferences list or she’s just being dishonest about her services.

Am I missing a point here? I’d like to know if anyone else has a view on this, and I’d love to hear a service providers point of view.

[winkywanky]

Various possible reasons for the 2 x OWO thing.

Lazy WG profile-writing.
Lack of English language skills.
Scamming/lying WG looking for a get-out clause.
An intelligent and thoughtful WG who specifically uses both to cover both the eventualities you describe. ie she'll happily and routinely give OWO unless she's confronted with a cheesy cock, or a cock with open wounds.

[southcoastpunter]

Punter who use AW on a regular basis soon find that its wise to check any service that is important to you at the time of booking AND THEN AGAIN face to face before you hand over the money.

Unfortunately, in too many cases what is listed and what is really on offer is not the same!

[bhudda]

9 times out of 10 "at discretion" means "for extra money".

And they probably list both so they show in the search results for either.

Dont over think stuff.

[adenmc4]

Doesn't help when searching based on services either. If you check "OWO at discretion" are you filtering out "OWO protection" and vise versa. If you tick both are you filtering out those with only one ticked?

I would remove all the at discretion services and leave it up to the profile text to add the requirements as they do usually anyway.

[bhudda]

Doesn't help when searching based on services either. If you check "OWO at discretion" are you filtering out "OWO protection" and vise versa. If you tick both are you filtering out those with only one ticked?

I would remove all the at discretion services and leave it up to the profile text to add the requirements as they do usually anyway.

Something is only filtered out if you tick "doesnt like" ... so it is safe to search for either ... but you have to search for each one seperately ... ticking both would filter out thise who only have one in their list.

Yes ... it is a pain

[Jonestown]

Dont over think stuff.

This 

An AW profile does not represent a contract offer of services, you need to check and confirm everything at the point of service, before handing over the dosh.

[adenmc4]

Something is only filtered out if you tick "doesnt like" ... so it is safe to search for either ... but you have to search for each one seperately ... ticking both would filter out thise who only have one in their list.

Yes ... it is a pain

Yes you're right of course. What I meant was if you tick one you're filtering out those with only the other ticked. So if I search for "O at discretion" I wont get those with only "OWO protection" checked which seems daft to me.

[MissWolf]

9 times out of 10 "at discretion" means "for extra money".

Or in my case and many indie girls cases it's not at all about extra money and all about hygiene

If a client turns up to me unclean  I'm going to ask him to shower, I'm then also going to insist on OW as no amount of soap and water can change the fact he has bad hygiene habits and lord knows what else

I'm also going to insist on OW if he has an enclosed cock and can't draw his foreskin back over the head of his cock when flaccid or erect, again no amount of soap and water will change the fact that his cock has a warm damp pocket of god knows what trapped behind that forskin and it's not going in my mouth

I'm pretty sure most WG's will tell you the same

Apart from that and the obvious sores etc there is nothing nicer than OWO 😈
(and yes I'm aware of the risks just as all of you are so no need to assassinate me for enjoying giving a blowjob)

[bhudda]

Or in my case and many indie girls cases it's not at all about extra money and all about hygiene

If a client turns up to me unclean  I'm going to ask him to shower, I'm then also going to insist on OW as no amount of soap and water can change the fact he has bad hygiene habits and lord knows what else

I'm also going to insist on OW if he has an enclosed cock and can't draw his foreskin back over the head of his cock when flaccid or erect, again no amount of soap and water will change the fact that his cock has a warm damp pocket of god knows what trapped behind that forskin and it's not going in my mouth

I'm pretty sure most WG's will tell you the same

Apart from that and the obvious sores etc there is nothing nicer than OWO 😈
(and yes I'm aware of the risks just as all of you are so no need to assassinate me for enjoying giving a blowjob)

I did say 9 out of 10

[MissWolf]

I did say 9 out of 10

You did to be fair I just think it's much more 50/50 than the picture you painted 

[winkywanky]

Or in my case and many indie girls cases it's not at all about extra money and all about hygiene

If a client turns up to me unclean  I'm going to ask him to shower, I'm then also going to insist on OW as no amount of soap and water can change the fact he has bad hygiene habits and lord knows what else

I'm also going to insist on OW if he has an enclosed cock and can't draw his foreskin back over the head of his cock when flaccid or erect, again no amount of soap and water will change the fact that his cock has a warm damp pocket of god knows what trapped behind that forskin and it's not going in my mouth

I'm pretty sure most WG's will tell you the same

Apart from that and the obvious sores etc there is nothing nicer than OWO 😈
(and yes I'm aware of the risks just as all of you are so no need to assassinate me for enjoying giving a blowjob)

Assuming the WG does OWO but not CIM, you forgot those magic words from the punter: I promise not to cum in your mouth 

[bhudda]

You did to be fair I just think it's much more 50/50 than the picture you painted 

Can i ask you how many prostitutes you have purchased sexual services from? Cos i suspect ive dealt with more ...

[Moby Dick]

9 times out of 10 "at discretion" means "for extra money".

Not in my experience, maybe your choice in WG is very different to mine?

Most girls I have seen have 3 options listed
Oral
Oral without (at discretion)
Oral without Protection

I have never paid extra.
Only once has the girl said no she doesn’t do OWO, Brazilian with Selective English, even though listed.
I find if it is extra they have a price in Q&A. Rarely is for the ones that attract my attention, unlike Anal which is often an extra.
I also confirm services before booking if in any doubt.

Edit : I don’t bother with Roms/EE

[robsmith149]

I've never been asked for extra for owo apart from one Romulan.

[Rochelle]

I had a UK based punt a few days back (review to follow soon) and as it was just my second one this year from AW (I’ve had others but mostly in Spain) it got me thinking. About the preferences lists on WGs profiles.

Most of us will look for a particular service when looking for a new girl, or a girl in a new area. OWO being a common thing that many punters seek out. On AW service providers can list “oral without protection”, or “oral without at discretion”. That’s entirely fair enough. My understanding is that if it’s listed then she will generally do it without question, if it’s listed “at discretion” she might, she might not. Now obviously all acts are consensual, and therefore at both parties discretion. Also obviously if a punter turns up unwashed or with open sores then whatever a profile says the girl has the right to refuse service.  My understanding is that if a service is listed then the girl will offer that service providing you are clean and healthy looking. If it’s at discretion then she reserves the right to refuse without having to give reasons.  Again this is all fair enough.

My confusion is when a WG list both “oral without protection” and “oral without at discretion” on her profile together. Two separate things surely? I always think when both are listed then either the WG doesn’t understand the concept of the preferences list or she’s just being dishonest about her services.

Am I missing a point here? I’d like to know if anyone else has a view on this, and I’d love to hear a service providers point of view.

I tick both for search-related reasons, and also because I usually do it but I want it to be obvious to everyone that it's still "at discretion".
Some will use it as a way to be dishonest.

[BigD77]

The "list" is actually a list of supposed "likes" it is not a menu!

It is the same if you do escorting, phone chat, webcam or all three.

Many people like to discuss things on phone chat/webcam they would never do in real life.

This is why girls list these "likes",  - as things they may roleplay online.

Nowhere does it say the girl will automatically provide you with that service.

The list is there as a list of fantasy scenarios.

If you actually want any of the services it should be requested prior to a meet.

[winkywanky]

That's bollocks.

The Enjoys list of a SP who provides Escorting Services is a guide to the services she provides. That's why some are 'at discretion'.

If she signally fails to provide them (with no legitimate reason), she has short-changed the punter.

Obviously the Enjoys list for a Phone Chat provider would be stuff she likes doing in her private life, or discussing as part of the Phone Chat.

You are correct in saying that it's good practice to confirm with the WG before the meet though.

[whoya.kiddin]

In my experience 25%+ of SP's include services on their "Enjoys" that they will refuse through qualification or in the room, and that is without counting those they try to charge as unadvertised extras.  OWO is the most glaring example but French Kissing CIM and anal play are also commonly misrepresented on my standard confirmation.

I'd say less than 20 % of profiles actually offer services and fees are as advertised and I work on this basis when booking a punt.  A very high proportion will "refuse a booking" (go quiet) rather than confirm advertised services and fees.

Yep there are some smelly pricks out there, but advertising services you won't offer (and charging falsely inflated rates as a result) is just stealing at the end of the day. 

[Vice Admiral]

That's bollocks.
The Enjoys list of a SP who provides Escorting Services is a guide to the services she provides. That's why some are 'at discretion'.
If she signally fails to provide them (with no legitimate reason), she has short-changed the punter.
Obviously the Enjoys list for a Phone Chat provider would be stuff she likes doing in her private life, or discussing as part of the Phone Chat.
You are correct in saying that it's good practice to confirm with the WG before the meet though.

Crystal-clear and spot-on!

The Enjoys List is a menu.  At least that's how the vast majority of both escorts and punters see it. "Fantasy scenarios" my arse, as Father Jack used to say.

The "at discretion" option is a perfectly legitimate "opt-out" – which allows the girl to decide, for example (when she actually sees the punter), whether she wants to French-kiss him; and whether (once she sees his cock) she wants to suck it without a condom.  Fair enough.

But any escort who includes on her Enjoys List activities she would never actually do is wasting everyone's time; and indeed creating the potential for ructions.

[hillingdonpete]

The "list" is actually a list of supposed "likes" it is not a menu!

It is the same if you do escorting, phone chat, webcam or all three.

Many people like to discuss things on phone chat/webcam they would never do in real life.

This is why girls list these "likes",  - as things they may roleplay online.

Nowhere does it say the girl will automatically provide you with that service.

The list is there as a list of fantasy scenarios.

If you actually want any of the services it should be requested prior to a meet.

I think you need to find another job.

[southcoastpunter]

The trouble often is that sometimes people present something as a "fact"  when in reality it is an "opinion".

This, I suggest,  is the case here - both WW and Vice Admiral have said something that is their opinion of what it OUGHT to be. AW does show it as an "enjoys" list and therfore it is open to interpretation. I don't disagree that it ought to be a list of services but as we all know, in reality it often is not.

i think most punters also agree that it is always best to check or double check with the lady in question when booking - and I always check again with the lady again in person incase the person on the phone was not her.

[freeze44]

The "list" is actually a list of supposed "likes" it is not a menu!

It is the same if you do escorting, phone chat, webcam or all three.

Many people like to discuss things on phone chat/webcam they would never do in real life.

This is why girls list these "likes",  - as things they may roleplay online.

Nowhere does it say the girl will automatically provide you with that service.

The list is there as a list of fantasy scenarios.

If you actually want any of the services it should be requested prior to a meet.

As WW say's what a load of nuts! 

[winkywanky]

The trouble often is that sometimes people present something as a "fact"  when in reality it is an "opinion". [/b]

This, I suggest,  is the case here - both WW and Vice Admiral have said something that is their opinion of what it OUGHT to be. AW does show it as an "enjoys" list and therfore it is open to interpretation. I don't disagree that it ought to be a list of services but as we all know, in reality it often is not.

No, you're wrong. If the Enjoys were merely what the SP 'liked to do in their own private life', why on earth would 'at discretion' come into it? It's a guide to what services the WG provides.

The trouble is that sometimes people think they're being pragmatic when infact they're just plain wrong, and can't see it even when the evidence is clearly presented for them.

In reality it's often not the case, as we know, but that's not because it's genuinely open to interpretation, it's because the WG/pimp is being dishonest, and trying to get punters through the door under false pretences. Because they know that once they're in the bedroom with a hard-on, they probably won't leave.

It's cynical misrepresentation, pure and simple.

[Home Alone]

TOTALLY off-topic; but Respect to southcoastpunter for his avatar.

Surely one of the funniest on here?!

[winkywanky]

Hahaha, just noticed that after you said! 

Is it for real I wonder?

[southcoastpunter]

Hahaha, just noticed that after you said! 

Is it for real I wonder?

I believe so WW,  although a few years ago now. Make you wonder as well - someone had to design the sign, someone approved it, printed it and put it up and noone  was sensible (or brave) enough to ask "do we really want that sign?" ..... well not until the papers got hold of it!

[winkywanky]

It could of course be Photoshop.

I'd like to think otherwise though  .

[Lou2019]

Or in my case and many indie girls cases it's not at all about extra money and all about hygiene

If a client turns up to me unclean  I'm going to ask him to shower, I'm then also going to insist on OW as no amount of soap and water can change the fact he has bad hygiene habits and lord knows what else

I'm also going to insist on OW if he has an enclosed cock and can't draw his foreskin back over the head of his cock when flaccid or erect, again no amount of soap and water will change the fact that his cock has a warm damp pocket of god knows what trapped behind that forskin and it's not going in my mouth

I'm pretty sure most WG's will tell you the same

Apart from that and the obvious sores etc there is nothing nicer than OWO 😈
(and yes I'm aware of the risks just as all of you are so no need to assassinate me for enjoying giving a blowjob)

+1

[BigD77]

No it is a list of "likes"

Not even real things I like.

AW does not revolve around UK punting.

Girls can make £2-5 a minute on phones or webcam.

So they tailor the single profile they have to that.

It's not up to you to interpret that as bollocks.

That is the truth. If you're sad enough to think that this list is actually a real list of what women MUST offer if they meet you, you need to have a good look at yourself!

[winkywanky]

No it is a list of "likes"

Not even real things I like.

AW does not revolve around UK punting.

Girls can make £2-5 a minute on phones or webcam.

So they tailor the single profile they have to that.

It's not up to you to interpret that as bollocks.

That is the truth. If you're sad enough to think that this list is actually a real list of what women MUST offer if they meet you, you need to have a good look at yourself!

AW doesn't revolve around UKP? What are you on about you silly bint? The broad and varied membership of UKP is a very good representation of the average punter. You'd do well to take note of that if you value repeat custom.

If a WG is only doing Cam work then her Enjoys can be pure fantasy, she's selling a vision of her sexuality, something to entice guys to pay to watch her on cam. She's almost certainly working on her own so she wouldn't be able to do them anyway.

But a girl who Escorts and states her Enjoys must expect that guys may want to avail themselves of at least some of them, and if she persistently fails to deliver on them, and it gets reported on here, she will lose custom.

Perhaps you need to have a good look at yourself: entitled, silly bint  .

[freeze44]

No it is a list of "likes"

Not even real things I like.

AW does not revolve around UK punting.

Girls can make £2-5 a minute on phones or webcam.

So they tailor the single profile they have to that.

It's not up to you to interpret that as bollocks.

That is the truth. If you're sad enough to think that this list is actually a real list of what women MUST offer if they meet you, you need to have a good look at yourself!

And we can interpret it as we like cheers luv 

Your not the AW head profile writer are you??   

[southcoastpunter]

And we can interpret it as we like

That is the key word -"interpret" and key phrase - "interpret it as we like".

I said this earlier  - we are all giving our view (opinion) of what we think it is or should be. Unless you work for AW or were involved in the design of the AW system none of us can know for sure what they intended. However, whatever AW may have intended, it could not portray it as a "menu of services" as this would make them fall fowl of legal issues - particular in the USA and certain other countries including the UK.

In practice, i agree that most people regard it as a guide to services offered - key words here are "most" (not all)  and "guide".

[freeze44]

That is the key word -"interpret" and key phrase - "interpret it as we like".

I said this earlier  - we are all giving our view (opinion) of what we think it is or should be. Unless you work for AW or were involved in the design of the AW system none of us can know for sure what they intended. However, whatever AW may have intended, it could not portray it as a "menu of services" as this would make them fall fowl of legal issues - particular in the USA and certain other countries including the UK.

In practice, i agree that most people regard it as a guide to services offered - key words here are "most" (not all)  and "guide".

Do you think AW is worried about that??! I don't think they give a shit what a wg lists or provides.

A good wg will list services that they provide and why worth checking they are ok with providing those at the meet.

[southcoastpunter]

Do you think AW is worried about that??! I don't think they give a shit what a wg lists or provides.

A good wg will list services that they provide and why worth checking they are ok with providing those at the meet.

You are missing the point I am trying to make - we are debating something (what the "likes" list was intended to be) that none of us can know for sure.  Whilst AW don't give a shit what a WG lists or provides they sure do care  how it could be legally considered. If it is a "menu" of services provided, it makes the site one that assists or provides prostitution and that is a major legal headache for them. They can currently get away with hiding behind the "time and companionship only" clauses they include in their T&C's.

Anyway, that's my opinion and I don't know for sure anymore than anyone else here.

[winkywanky]

That is the key word -"interpret" and key phrase - "interpret it as we like".

I said this earlier  - we are all giving our view (opinion) of what we think it is or should be. Unless you work for AW or were involved in the design of the AW system none of us can know for sure what they intended. However, whatever AW may have intended, it could not portray it as a "menu of services" as this would make them fall fowl of legal issues - particular in the USA and certain other countries including the UK.

In practice, i agree that most people regard it as a guide to services offered - key words here are "most" (not all)  and "guide".

It hasn't really got to do with the 'intended design of AW', AW is merely a conduit through which punters and WGs become connected and are able to exchange information. How they go about that and whether either side decides to be truthful is another matter

I think you're right about AW falling foul (not fowl, although indeed AW is full of birds) of the Law if they're seen to be listing prostitution services. And that probably ties in with the above.

But I keep saying it and I think it proves the point 100%: WHY would some Enjoys be 'at discretion' if they weren't in reality a list of services which a punter can scan to see whether he wants to meet the WG? There is no other reason whatsoever for including the discretion caveat. Enjoys are in principle to be expected by the punter, and every WG knows that, so if she persistently fails to deliver she has deceived the punter and that should be called out.