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Offline anyfucker

Rambo 3 in Afghanistan film says it all ,theses people never give up just like Vietnam.Should have learnt by now and wasted trillions of dollars and lives.
they say the Americans have the watch but we have the time

Offline PunterNumber69

Surely all these helicopters, planes, hummers etc will have some sort of tracker /GPS device so they can be followed and located whilst on operations?
If so, then surely they can target these with drone strikes?
I doubt it.

They'll do it the old fashioned way with radar and spy satellites.

Offline Marmalade

The black hawks look pretty operable.
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In the news today the Taliban are complaining that inoperable helicopters & planes have been abandoned.  Apparently they are’ National assets’ and the Americans should have had the decency to leave them in working order!

Online Squire Haggard

In the news today the Taliban are complaining that inoperable helicopters & planes have been abandoned.  Apparently they are’ National assets’ and the Americans should have had the decency to leave them in working order!

They've got 28 days to return them and get a full refund.  :rolleyes:

Offline badsin

They've got 28 days to return them and get a full refund.  :rolleyes:

Do they require proof of purchase?

Offline anyfucker

In the news today the Taliban are complaining that inoperable helicopters & planes have been abandoned.  Apparently they are’ National assets’ and the Americans should have had the decency to leave them in working order!
owned by the Afghan forces i believe
"...The explosives droped in Afghanistan is much more than the explosive used in World wars I & II, yet not satisfied, and before leaving damaged all aircrafts, runways, airport security systems, etc. The US has seized the Afghan Central Bank’s assets, and is pressurizing the Taliban through IMF, World Bank, Paris Club, and other International Institutions, and deterring other countries from helping the Taliban. Afghanistan, one of the poorest nations on earth, total damaged infrastructure, no agriculture, no industry, no electricity, severe shortage of food, and medicines, no hospitals, no schools, yet, the US is not satisfied..."
"...United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has warned of a looming “humanitarian catastrophe” in Afghanistan, calling on member states to contribute aid to support Afghan people in “their darkest hour of need.” “One in three Afghans do not know where their next meal will come from,” he said. “More than half of all children under five are expected to become acutely malnourished in the next year. People are losing access to basic goods and services every day.”

“Now more than ever”, Guterres said, “Afghan children, women, and men need the support and solidarity of the international community”. Afghanistan was coping with a severe drought, and its citizens would have to face harsh winter conditions, underlining the need for supplies to be urgently sent to the country, the UN chief said...."

Offline Marmalade

Indeed. A lot of shit happens.

Sadly, the American/European well-meaning bleeding-heart mentality, the last twenty years of “aid” shows quite clearly that pouring in money does little to help those who need it. The vast proportion goes on graft. The only thing that would help is not leaving in the first place.

Offline Chorley

IMO, that's what drives these fuckers.

I have read that B52's and AC-130 gunships are attacking them. The latter can fire supersonic 25mm cannon shells with a range of over 2 miles, at the rate of 30 - 70 rounds per second. They are so desperate for rape and pillage that they are willing to risk being turned into dogfood by an GAU-12 Equalizer.  :)

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The A10  "Warthog" is  possibly the greatest close support aircraft of all time. Beloved of infantry and special ops. The only other other airctaft that are comparable are the various iterations of the AC130 gunships, or the Russian Hind attack helicopters .
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Offline Payyourwaymate

Did anyone know that the Taliban banned Bacha Bazi?

Bacha Bazi was effectively exploitation of young male children and became popular again when the Taliban was previously defeated, amongst the ruling class of Afghanistan and warlord commanders who fought against the Taliban alongside NATO. I know people have reservations against the Taliban and rightfully so, it seems both sides in the country are full of it. Research Bacha Bazi. It's pretty grim.

Here's a doc in case anyone was interested.

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Offline PunterNumber69

The A10  "Warthog" is  possibly the greatest close support aircraft of all time. Beloved of infantry and special ops. The only other other airctaft that are comparable are the various iterations of the AC130 gunships, or the Russian Hind attack helicopters .
But the A10 is down for retirement.

Offline Payyourwaymate

"This Is What Winning Looks Like" is a disturbing new documentary about the ineptitude, drug abuse, sexual misconduct, and corruption of the Afghan security forces as well as the reduced role of US Marines due to the troop withdrawal.

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Another doc. Should be my last post, sheds more light on the situation of Afghan security forces and role of the US. This was back in 2013 I think.

Offline LLPunting

But the A10 is down for retirement.

It has been for over a decade.  The design is ideal enough that there's just no bettering it for the money that would be spent on an asset that's meant to take a beating as well as dish it out.
They should just restart production and replace old with new for another 40+ years of service on the frontline.
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Offline PepeMAGA

But the A10 is down for retirement.
Brrrt it'll never happen.
Think they're was a drive to get rid of them to help promote the F35, but they've recently upgraded them so think they'll be around for a while yet.

Offline jayj301599

The Americans were always going to lose, the Taliban will always have fighters, it's a generational thing and it's seen as their struggle versus a soldier who when they have children will not want them to endure what they did.

It was only a matter of time

Offline sparkus

It has been for over a decade.  The design is ideal enough that there's just no bettering it for the money that would be spent on an asset that's meant to take a beating as well as dish it out.
They should just restart production and replace old with new for another 40+ years of service on the frontline.

We went hiking with school and one came roaring over the top of a mountain we'd just walked up, pretty unforgettable.

I wasn't aware they were so old, I guess like the B52 it's a case of Trigger's Broom by now.

Offline PunterNumber69

Brrrt it'll never happen.
Think they're was a drive to get rid of them to help promote the F35, but they've recently upgraded them so think they'll be around for a while yet.
The A10 is a ground support aircraft. The F35 isn't a ground support aircraft.  It's an air superiority fighter intended to go up against other similar fighters. The A10 is basically a plane built round a gatling gun.

Offline mradventures

The A10 is a ground support aircraft. The F35 isn't a ground support aircraft.  It's an air superiority fighter intended to go up against other similar fighters. The A10 is basically a plane built round a gatling gun.

f35 was meant to cover that role too.... partly why its so darn expensive

Online Colston36

The Americans were always going to lose, the Taliban will always have fighters, it's a generational thing and it's seen as their struggle versus a soldier who when they have children will not want them to endure what they did.

It was only a matter of time


It is, I think, about 182 years since the British Army went into Afghanistan and got wiped out. Only Alexander the Great, the Sikhs, Tim ur lenkh and Moghuls seem to have done well there. On the Afghan idea of romance, I recall the old lament "There's a boy across the river with a bottom like a peach, but alas I cannot swim."

Offline LLPunting

f35 was meant to cover that role too.... partly why its so darn expensive

No way they'd risk that expensive a piece of hardware in the same way as an A10 so the F35 will make a fast pass or standoff, which won't necessarily be the most effective means of supporting the troops.  The A10 was designed for Close Air Support, if you remove it you will need other platforms to fill the gap, probably more fragile helicopters or AC130s, maybe some new fangled drones but nothing currently with the capability of the A10.  There is a programme to replace it with a 2 platform solution which goes to show just how useful it is.

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Offline LLPunting

We went hiking with school and one came roaring over the top of a mountain we'd just walked up, pretty unforgettable.

I wasn't aware they were so old, I guess like the B52 it's a case of Trigger's Broom by now.

A10s are close on 50 years of service.  Designed for the Fulda Gap scenarios of stopping a rampaging Soviet armoured swarm in Europe.

Offline MilleMiglia

Brrrt it'll never happen.
Think they're was a drive to get rid of them to help promote the F35, but they've recently upgraded them so think they'll be around for a while yet.

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Offline LLPunting

Sen John McCain RIP making a very valid point:  External Link/Members Only

When budgets trump mission capability you lose capability almost without exception.

Offline Yankee21

No way they'd risk that expensive a piece of hardware in the same way as an A10 so the F35 will make a fast pass or standoff, which won't necessarily be the most effective means of supporting the troops.  The A10 was designed for Close Air Support, if you remove it you will need other platforms to fill the gap, probably more fragile helicopters or AC130s, maybe some new fangled drones but nothing currently with the capability of the A10.  There is a programme to replace it with a 2 platform solution which goes to show just how useful it is.

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TACP/JTAC will utilise UAV platforms from 2026

Offline LLPunting

TACP/JTAC will utilise UAV platforms from 2026

Will have to look into the platforms being proposed, drones could be "cheap"(er) but no doubt manufacturers will be trying to sell everything at inflated prices with hyperbolic claims of mission capability and fabricated success rates misapplied to real world requirements.  It's going to be something to see a drone that can shift 9+ tonnes of ordinance and also provide a gun platform as effective as the GAU-8.  Apparently there's an independent start-up that was touting around a "Machete" push-prop/jet design which would also carry the GAU-8 but the rest of the competition there (manned aircraft) are all lightweight, prop driven aircraft which will have much more limited payloads and smaller calibre and lower capacity cannon armaments.
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Offline PepeMAGA

Sen John McCain RIP making a very valid point:  External Link/Members Only

When budgets trump mission capability you lose capability almost without exception.
In dubious about the budget side of it tbh, think its the military industrial complex wanting fresh aircraft to be bought.

Offline LLPunting

In dubious about the budget side of it tbh, think its the military industrial complex wanting fresh aircraft to be bought.

Absolutely, the last thing they want is equipment that lasts.  It's just like bloody TVs, washing machines, fridges, microwaves and phones just played at with loads more zeroes.  :dash:

Offline LLPunting

Great stuff. They say if you hear the brrt it wasn't after you

The shells are supersonic (like most heavy calibre rounds) so it's to do with how far away they were fired.  Typical small arms engagements are less than 300m, speed of sound is 330 m/s, so the lag between impact and sound of shot is fairly small.  A10 probably starts shooting from c.500m+ out or more on a gun run so if you're still standing after a second you'll hear the gunfire.  Entertainment industry gives us such a fucked up perspective on the physics and terror of combat.

Offline Marmalade

I don’t for one minute accept that Al Jazeera is entirely unbiased but it is also a very professional news organisation and can sometimes offer some balance to the homogenous and more digestible news reports that we are more used to.

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This is an interesting critique of the Afghanistan withdrawal, the sort of thing Channel 4 might have produced in its more robust days. Not an official Al Jazeera viewpoint, as it points out, but quite an intelligent and well-written opinion piece.

Offline anyfucker

In dubious about the budget side of it tbh, think its the military industrial complex wanting fresh aircraft to be bought.
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Offline Blackpool Rock

Talk of a split in the Taliban leaders between those who want to claim it was the diplomats and those who claim it was the fighters who won the war  :dash:
A lot more "Storming" will follow in the next few years and no doubt the ordinary citizens will be the ones who suffer the most

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