'Very Sexy Teen Girl in Your Town'

[Vice Admiral]

An enduring mystery (and one that I dare say has been commented upon here before) is why the brainless speakers of English as a first language who write profiles for Romanian pimps advertise a girl as a teenager in the top line of an AW profile – and then insert her presumably correct date of birth in the DOB field, generating a distinctly non-teenage age.

In this case, 25:
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It's hardly rocket science to achieve consistency in this!

[Metalgear2018]

Damn. She is so hot. Those natural melons look tasty. Good spot op.

[Jeremy]

They may be "experianced" in English as a first language but so are plenty of fuckwits in this country.

[daviemac]

It's hardly rocket science to achieve consistency in this!

It's called marketing, it's got you looking at it and giving it free advertising on here so many others are now also aware of her.   

Objective achieved as far as whoever wrote the profile is concerned.

[LLPunting]

It's called marketing, it's got you looking at it and giving it free advertising on here so many others are now also aware of her.   

Objective achieved as far as whoever wrote the profile is concerned.

Objective achieved; I clicked the link.   
Objective failed; After proving to be a liar, marketer expects us to believe that all liked services will be delivered at all, let alone well.  Naughty? She's a wannabe domme, look at "her" likes and by omission what's she won't do.  She's a very niche chubster domme with flappy baps who should be in an Andy Capp strip.   

[Vice Admiral]

Another 25-year-old “teenager”, probably from the same stable:
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‘Bet you've always wanted to sink into a Tight Teen Pussy,’ she says.

Maybe.  Maybe not.  But either way it’s over five years too late.

[daviemac]

Objective achieved; I clicked the link.   
Objective failed; After proving to be a liar, marketer expects us to believe that all liked services will be delivered at all, let alone well.  Naughty? She's a wannabe domme, look at "her" likes and by omission what's she won't do.  She's a very niche chubster domme with flappy baps who should be in an Andy Capp strip.   

Have to correct you there, you can't speak for everyone, only yourself. If the bloke, who posted on a negative review that he is going to see a Rom despite 5 negative and 7 neutrals since her positive in 2017, is anything to go by, some will see her.  Not everyone is as sensible as you or I might be.   

Another 25-year-old “teenager”, probably from the same stable:
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‘Bet you've always wanted to sink into a Tight Teen Pussy,’ she says.

Maybe.  Maybe not.  But either way it’s over five years too late.

Are you on commission.   

[LLPunting]

Have to correct you there, you can't speak for everyone, only yourself. If the bloke, who posted on a negative review that he is going to see a Rom despite 5 negative and 7 neutrals since her positive in 2017, is anything to go by, some will see her.  Not everyone is as sensible as you or I might be.   

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Objective failed only speaking for myself.      Fortunately for my sense of foolishness there will always be a bigger fool to be found in Punterland.

[mr.bluesky]

What you have to remember is prozzie years are different from everybody elses years. They all knock a few years off their real age. Has anybody ever seen a service provider who's age actually matches their profile age  They are few and far between.

[Vice Admiral]

What you have to remember is prozzie years are different from everybody elses years. They all knock a few years off their real age. Has anybody ever seen a service provider who's age actually matches their profile age  They are few and far between.

Of course many – most? – SP's knock a few years off their ages.  But the point is that any half-way competent profile-writer will ensure that any age he advertises in the headline or text of a profile matches the date of birth he enters in the DOB field.

This thread wasn't meant to be about the fact that SP's tweak their ages.  I was merely drawing attention to the incompetence of some profile writers when dealing with escorts' ages, and the absurdities this engenders.

Indeed perhaps there are profiles on AW of "teenagers" whose age fields demonstrate that they are older even than 25?

[jesse4585]

Has anybody ever seen a service provider who's age actually matches their profile age  They are few and far between.

The last 3 WGs I've punted (per my reviews) seem to show their real ages. To be fair, I'd only be 95% sure about Brooklyn being bang on at 22,  but I think the other two might be showing their correct age too.   That said, from other's reviews it does seem common for WG's to take off a few years.

@Vice Admiral, there's  probably lots of reasons for the inconsistency;  common inattention to detail possibly the main one. 

Another being it's a reflection of the WG's being torn between honesty & lies.  I guess they sometimes edit their profiles even if a native English speaker drafts them.  I had a Romanian reg well before I joined here. From conversations with her she had a real thirst for the truth, though she seemed to lie quite a bit too, I guess as it seems so common these days for people to lie to get ahead, so she can't help soaking that attitude up.

In a way, I find it re-assuring when I see an inconsistent profile - at least then it doesn't look like it's written by a full on cold hearted deceiver.  Also, the few times I see a review of someone with a detailed & coherent profiles, there seems to be comments suggesting she's up her self for writing such an essay.     If I was a cynic I might think it was a marketing ploy to deliberately include a few inconsistencies...

[Vice Admiral]

As a student of the relationship between Romanian prostitutes, Romanian pimps and the pimps' English profile-writers – it is the theme of my forthcoming doctoral thesis – I can state with some confidence that 90% of Romanian escorts have no input whatsoever into the text of their profiles.

The profiles in question generally consist of a lot of semi-pornographic drivel written by sad half-literate gits with vivid (but predictable) imaginations who have never met or spoken to the girl in question.

I've met one or two genuinely independent Romanian girls who look after their own profiles – but they are the exception that proves the rule.

[daviemac]

As a student of the relationship between Romanian prostitutes, Romanian pimps and the pimps' English profile-writers – it is the theme of my forthcoming doctoral thesis – I can state with some confidence that 90% of Romanian escorts have no input whatsoever into the text of their profiles.

The profiles in question generally consist of a lot of semi-pornographic drivel written by sad half-literate gits with vivid (but predictable) imaginations who have never met or spoken to the girl in question.

I've met one or two genuinely independent Romanian girls who look after their own profiles – but they are the exception that proves the rule.

So you are on commission then.   

BTW it isn't just Roms who advertise as teen but put their age as 20's.

[Horizontal pleasures]

Another 25-year-old “teenager”, probably from the same stable:
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‘Bet you've always wanted to sink into a Tight Teen Pussy,’ she says.

Maybe.  Maybe not.  But either way it’s over five years too late.

bareback

[Vice Admiral]

bareback

Interesting.  That's very unusual on Romanian profiles, and certainly worth a few sentences in my thesis.

Her teen chum doesn't offer it, however.

[jesse4585]

As a student of the relationship between Romanian prostitutes, Romanian pimps and the pimps' English profile-writers – it is the theme of my forthcoming doctoral thesis – I can state with some confidence that 90% of Romanian escorts have no input whatsoever into the text of their profiles.

The profiles in question generally consist of a lot of semi-pornographic drivel written by sad half-literate gits with vivid (but predictable) imaginations who have never met or spoken to the girl in question.

I've met one or two genuinely independent Romanian girls who look after their own profiles – but they are the exception that proves the rule.

Most interesting.

As our learned friend LLP recently pointed out, the latest UK police stats suggest most Romanian WGs are here by choice  (For Q1 2019, only 16 cases of sexual exploitation for Romanians, versus 50 for Chinese & 189 for Albanians.)   This would match my limited experience, and what I've read over the years in numerous reports and newspaper articles.

I'm not doubting your 90% estimate, sounds quite feasible,  but its likely most of those pimps are basically facilitators,  not the classic exploitative/ coercive type.

Would be interesting to know how the pimps link up with the native English speakers. Does it happen on the mainstream "human cloud" platforms like PeoplePerHour?  Or perhaps there's some corner of AW where these "writers" like to advertise?

Anyhow none of this explains the enduring mystery in your OP.  Do the pimps both ask the copy writers to say she's a teen while also giving a correct(ish) date of birth? If so maybe the divided mind suggestion I made could still be one of the causes. I'd guess some of the facilitator pimps are x WGs themselves, probably Christian like almost everyone is in Romania,  with the same tension between truth & lies that most are subjected to these days.

I'm not sure it will be an easy conversation,  but may try to learn more about this on a future punt!

[jesse4585]

The inconsistency might also be due to AW bots updating the age field based on DoB from the verification ID.  Perhaps the writers even know that will happen, but think some won't notice and take the marketing spiel at face value.

If this is helpful,  please credit myself & UKP in your PhD 

[Vice Admiral]

All good and interesting points, Jesse.  And you will of course be generously credited in my thesis, where appropriate.

There's still quite a lot of practical research to be done before it's finished, however.  My academic supervisors are very insistent on that.

In all my sojourning over the years in Strumpet City, Horley and Hookersville, I've never encountered any girl – either foreign or British – who gave any impression of working under duress.

This doesn’t mean that none were, but I think that instinct would give one a hint if something was not as it should be.

Of course “working under duress” does sometimes happen, but (in my view) to nothing like the extent that anti-prostitution campaigners like to maintain.

Your word “facilitators” is a good one, for I think that in most cases it accurately reflects the relationship between the Romanian pimps and their girls – although I am in no doubt that, where the sex trade is concerned, “facilitation” is a profitable business!

[Jonestown]

Vice Admiral and Jesse 4585, two UKP accounts, but only one person, any takers ?

[jesse4585]

All good and interesting points, Jesse.  And you will of course be generously credited in my thesis, where appropriate.

There's still quite a lot of practical research to be done before it's finished, however.  My academic supervisors are very insistent on that.

In all my sojourning over the years in Strumpet City, Horley and Hookersville, I've never encountered any girl – either foreign or British – who gave any impression of working under duress.

This doesn’t mean that none were, but I think that instinct would give one a hint if something was not as it should be.

Of course “working under duress” does sometimes happen, but (in my view) to nothing like the extent that anti-prostitution campaigners like to maintain.

Your word “facilitators” is a good one, for I think that in most cases it accurately reflects the relationship between the Romanian pimps and their girls – although I am in no doubt that, where the sex trade is concerned, “facilitation” is a profitable business!

Agree on all points. Sadly various forms of modern slavery do seem to be getting more common in UK these past 10 years or so, though some reason to think Romanians are less effected than certain other nationalities.

[jesse4585]

Vice Admiral and Jesse 4585, two UKP accounts, but only one person, any takers ?

The Vice Admiral and me are as different as chalk & cheese!

It's interesting you don't seem to like me - you're one of my fave posters as you're not slow in speaking out against fellow punters being unfairly slagged off (e.g. J2K) , among other reasons.

I'd say more but the Moderators don't seem to like too much off topic chat.  You can always PM if you want.  I'm not so bad, once you get to know me.

[Vice Admiral]

The Vice Admiral and me are as different as chalk & cheese!

Indeed – not least in terms of geography!

To judge from his reviews, Jesse's area of operation appears to be London, with occasional excursions to Milton Keynes and Woking.

I, on the other hand – like, indeed, many vice admirals (and, of course, jolly jack tars) – am in the business of enriching the small, close-knit hooker community that plies its trade in and around the historic old naval city of Portsmouth.

[Pete556]

What you have to remember is prozzie years are different from everybody elses years. They all knock a few years off their real age. Has anybody ever seen a service provider who's age actually matches their profile age  They are few and far between.

Love the concept of Prozzie years! Real age - 60, Prozzie age - 30. 

[The Outsider]

It's actually the phrase "In your town" that puts me off more than lies about age.  That sort of transience just leads me to think of trafficking. 

[Vice Admiral]

Indeed.  "In your town" is one of the trademarks of Romanian profiles.

The deal the Romanian pimps seem to have with the English profile-writers is that the work on the profile is a one-off – in other words, no changes, no updates.  Hence the necessary vagueness of phrases such as "in your town", so nothing needs to be changed when the girls moves location.

Most Romanian profiles are, however, regularly "bumped up" the results lists – often several times a day – so someone must sign on and change one or two words in the text, in order to achieve this.

Also most Romanian "Enjoys Lists" are pretty well identical, so the profile-writers – and I think they may be relatively few in number – clearly have a standardised approach.

Romanian profiles almost always, for example , offer rimming receiving, but not giving (admittedly a fairly common choice among English girls too); and spanking giving, but not receiving (where most English girls offer both). 

[daviemac]

Indeed.  "In your town" is one of the trademarks of Romanian profiles.

The deal the Romanian pimps seem to have with the English profile-writers is that the work on the profile is a one-off – in other words, no changes, no updates.  Hence the necessary vagueness of phrases such as "in your town", so nothing needs to be changed when the girls moves location.

Most Romanian profiles are, however, regularly "bumped up" the results lists – often several times a day – so someone must sign on and change one or two words in the text, in order to achieve this.

Also most Romanian "Enjoys Lists" are pretty well identical, so the profile-writers – and I think they may be relatively few in number – clearly have a standardised approach.

Romanian profiles almost always, for example , offer rimming receiving, but not giving (admittedly a fairly common choice among English girls too); and spanking giving, but not receiving (where most English girls offer both).

How do you separate the Romanian profiles from all the rest, just curious.

[Vice Admiral]

How do you separate the Romanian profiles from all the rest, just curious.

As indeed you may be implying, some Romanian profiles have "Romanian" in the nationality field, but many have no nationality given.

In those cases – although it's an inexact science – there are quite a lot of clues.

Romanian profiles tend to include long, highly-coloured, entirely invented pornographic accounts of the girl in question's extreme horniness and of what she likes doing with men.

Most Romanian "Enjoys Lists" (as previously mentioned) are the same or very similar.

£60 for half-an-hour usually, but not invariably, suggests a Romanian.  A minority now charge £70.

"In your town" and similar phrases are (as already discussed) indicative of pimped girls who travel around Britain – usually, but not always, Romanians.

A profile that stays in any given location for only a week or two is likely to be Romanian.  (In the Portsmouth and Southampton area, I would estimate that only around 10% of Romanian girls on AW at any one time are of "fixed abode".  The rest are here today, gone tomorrow.) 

All these, I accept, are only pointers.  But a lot of pointers pointing in the general direction of Bucharest generate reasonably supportable deductions.

[daviemac]

As indeed you may be implying, some Romanian profiles have "Romanian" in the nationality field, but many have no nationality given.

So you're basing it on guesswork and assumptions. Your theory is flawed on so many levels, it's impossible to tell, with any accuracy, where an escort is from by the way the profile's written, or even by what is stated as the nationality.

What percentage of the 19999 profiles currently active on AW have you studied to come to the conclusions you have.   

I have to admit I'm still unsure of your motives for all of this.   

[Vice Admiral]

I have to admit I'm still unsure of your motives for all of this.   

Intellectual curiosity.  Nothing else!

What other motives could I have?

[tynetunnel]

Intellectual curiosity.  Nothing else!

What other motives could I have?

DM’s spidey-senses have detected something awry VA... now then, fess up.... 

[hornbill]

The presumed Romanians also always seem to charge 100 per hour, almost as though an agreement not to over or under charge compared to their fellows  also something that marks them out is the plural of gentleman,  gentlemen but not gentlemans, that shows a non native English speaker,

[formulajuan1]

Personally I avoid all AW Profiles which display pretty pictures constructed from ASCII Characters, decorated with love-hearts or kissing etc Emoji, or generic field labels such as <insert town here>. Perhaps Sergi took an IT Course during his last spell "at her Majesty's Pleasure?"

[Londonpunter30]

It's actually the phrase "In your town" that puts me off more than lies about age.  That sort of transience just leads me to think of trafficking.

In your town, or in your area is an instant no for me.

I don’t think the pimps get someone to write the profile for them, most are copied from other users, or do badly written it’s clearly written by someone who doesn’t speak English

[Home Alone]

Accepting the point that the - maybe more savvy? - pimps won't put a Nationality on an AW Profile, I automatically 'Exclude' Romanians from every AW Search.

I just ignore any Profiles that fails to eliminate.

[Londonpunter30]

Check this one out

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Brand new profile, but she’s well reviewed.  There’s no way this crap is done by English speakers working for pimps.
 There’s too many mistakes for that

[Jonestown]

Check this one out

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Brand new profile, but she’s well reviewed.  There’s no way this crap is done by English speakers working for pimps.
 There’s too many mistakes for that

They write like that to fool prospective punters the they are dealing with a young, newly arrived foreign girl who is doing her best with that oh so difficult English language.

[robsmith149]

Check this one out

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Brand new profile, but she’s well reviewed.  There’s no way this crap is done by English speakers working for pimps.
 There’s too many mistakes for that

I read "another" forum and she is well reviewed actually, been around for years, she must have had hundreds of different profiles most lasting a few days, from what I gather she is independant.

[DrConners]

I read "another" forum and she is well reviewed actually, been around for years, she must have had hundreds of different profiles most lasting a few days, from what I gather she is independant.

And a barebacker according to her profile 



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[WASA38]

Compare these two, location Cambridge:
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Their pimp's geography is a bit dodgy; or maybe they will do a quick flit to Ireland.

Town:   Cambridge Waterford Harlow St Albans Stevenage

[Vice Admiral]

There is in fact also an English Waterford – a (very) small village in Hertfordshire, around a mile and a half north of Hertford.

It is nonetheless a strange location to be included in the searchable locations on an AW profile.  How many Hertfordshire dwellers would ever put this tiny village in an AW search?

[Londonpunter30]

I read "another" forum and she is well reviewed actually, been around for years, she must have had hundreds of different profiles most lasting a few days, from what I gather she is independant.

Care to post a link to these reviews ?

These pics have only been showing for the past few days so not sure how she has been around for years. 

[daviemac]

Care to post a link to these reviews ?

Perhaps he's read the rules. - 

11 Other punting forums
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[Londonpunter30]

Perhaps he's read the rules. - 

11 Other punting forums
Discussion about other punting forums is not prohibited but many are often very hostile. Other forums are also anti-punter; therefore it is not in the interests of punters to give them publicity. Posting links to other sites is prohibited as is slagging off. Use your noodle. We are allowing links in Punting Abroad section.

Wasn’t aware of that, thanks for pointing it out

[robsmith149]

Care to post a link to these reviews ?

These pics have only been showing for the past few days so not sure how she has been around for years.

As i said she has had loads of profiles and her profiles don't last long but the other forum i was on about know her from her pics.

That profile gone already, and this is her from 2 years ago.  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=158949.0