Reasons for punting ?

[Frenchie]

'' ..oddly enough Tailpipe that sort of reflects the difficulty I have with Mrs Rickdoe... same feeling remains  even if its free!  '' 

This is a quote from another thread - but reading it (and a subsequent reply ) it has prompted me to start this topic........

It might of been covered before but after corresponding via Pm's with another member (and my own personal experiences ) it would
appear that a lot of us are in the same boat when it comes to our partners/  wives.  It seems that a lot of women ( shall we say over a certain age-and it's not that high !!! ) just 'switch off ' . . Most women think that men want sex -where I believe what men
 want is LUST !

Even if it's pretend, when a good WG compliments you on your oral skills or something else that you've done to please her - how do you feel ?   We would be stupid to think that 90% of compliments are genuine- but they still make us feel great !

It's also strange that when women are younger-(and I hate to say it, haven't got that ring on their finger) they will do almost anything
but as time goes on the 'will do' list gets shorter and shorter...... is this part of the reason that after banging your head against a brick wall for years you don't feel any guilt about punting ..I certainly don't . I can quite honestly say that if the sex was as good as twenty years ago I wouldn't punt...but having started it, it becomes like a hobby !

Do we punt because we can get what we want --whether it be CIM ,anal - or what ever takes your fancy....

I know that this subject  is  a very personal one and some people will not be happy discussing this but it is a subject that interests me.
In my own way I've now 'switched off ' which is mystifying my wife as she knows I have a healthy sex drive .....also  how many of us have good relationships with our partners in every other way except for this one issue !! 

Any thoughts ?

[Ali Katt]

Personally, out of boredom and for variety. Also the ease is appealing, sometimes organising a punt is hard, but it's arguably easier than chatting up a woman in a club with the pretence of sex.

Even if it's pretend, when a good WG compliments you on your oral skills or something else that you've done to please her - how do you feel ?   We would be stupid to think that 90% of compliments are genuine- but they still make us feel great !

I have a high bullshit detector so only take it as a compliment if I actually believe it. It is nice to be appreciated, but I don't chase compliments.

It's also strange that when women are younger-(and I hate to say it, haven't got that ring on their finger) they will do almost anything
but as time goes on the 'will do' list gets shorter and shorter

This may just be your experience. It's down to the individual there's young women thay literally do fuck all as in very little, no OWO, no CIM\COB, no tit touching, no RO - basically vanilla sex and covered everything even a HJ. I've met older women that would do anything even anal.

Do we punt because we can get what we want --whether it be CIM ,anal - or what ever takes your fancy....

Punting is unpredictable. Ideally everything on the menu would be available. There's stuff that doesn't interest me hard dom, baby minding, bareback, but I like the option of OWO and CIM, and if a girl does snowball I'll probably be back, but these now seem to be extra or rarely practised. Dare I say it, I think some of the old hags have used scare tactics to put many girls off doing OWO.

[Silver Birch]

I punt to sample dishes that are not (or not any longer) on the menu at home.

[Frenchie]

I punt to sample dishes that are not (or not any longer) on the menu at home.

Exactly !! --the 'not any longer' bit is spot on .Twenty years ago, almost everything (except facial ) was on the menu .....

[willbred]

Excitement; being with a woman you can ask to do pretty well anything, without being called a pervert (unless, of course you pay her to!); not having to be anything you're not...or don't want to be - just for thesex and intimacy.

[SirPhilipXX]

Punting is unpredictable. Ideally everything on the menu would be available. There's stuff that doesn't interest me hard dom, baby minding, bareback, but I like the option of OWO and CIM, and if a girl does snowball I'll probably be back, but these now seem to be extra or rarely practised.

Back in the days when I was married, I only ever experienced vanilla sex. Since I've been punting I have had much fun trying out different things (but nothing extreme!)
For one thing I have discovered that I am dom, probably I would never have known that if I hadn't strayed into punting.

[dantheman]

It's great getting compliments, but as you say sometimes you have to take them with a pinch of salt, But if you got to know one escort very well then maybe they cut the crap and the compliments they give maybe just genuine.

[Toshiba]

Ive been living with a girl for a while, it was rampant at first and shes still into owo and anal if in the mood but thats it, her mood.

Lately her mojo is back but the barron periods are once a month if im lucky, so i then punt

Im shit scared of stds as i dont want my life crashing around me so ive backed off punting but im itching to punt except an upturn in my sex life has surficed for me.

But why do they deny you when they know you have a high sex drive?

[StevenS]

I punt for variety without the pitfalls of pulling a civvy (and leg work). I also get to close the door on reality for an hour or two and role play with no worry.

As yet, I have never booked a girl just to fuck. I get that at home and it's all good.

[Nimrod]

Variety. No more or less than that. It's very easy to do, and it's increasingly inexpensive in relative terms. I can romp with a stunning female half my age for an hour for the same price as 90 minutes of football. No contest, really.

[Jvosta]

I get bored in civvy relationships...Familiarity breeds contempt

The fact that I will never have a relationship with a WG makes me want her more ...the "honeymoon period" never ends......that is..until you run out of money

[The President]

'' ..oddly enough Tailpipe that sort of reflects the difficulty I have with Mrs Rickdoe... same feeling remains  even if its free!  '' 

This is a quote from another thread - but reading it (and a subsequent reply ) it has prompted me to start this topic........

It might of been covered before but after corresponding via Pm's with another member (and my own personal experiences ) it would
appear that a lot of us are in the same boat when it comes to our partners/  wives.  It seems that a lot of women ( shall we say over a certain age-and it's not that high !!! ) just 'switch off ' . . Most women think that men want sex -where I believe what men
 want is LUST !

Even if it's pretend, when a good WG compliments you on your oral skills or something else that you've done to please her - how do you feel ?   We would be stupid to think that 90% of compliments are genuine- but they still make us feel great !

It's also strange that when women are younger-(and I hate to say it, haven't got that ring on their finger) they will do almost anything
but as time goes on the 'will do' list gets shorter and shorter...... is this part of the reason that after banging your head against a brick wall for years you don't feel any guilt about punting ..I certainly don't . I can quite honestly say that if the sex was as good as twenty years ago I wouldn't punt...but having started it, it becomes like a hobby !

Do we punt because we can get what we want --whether it be CIM ,anal - or what ever takes your fancy....

I know that this subject  is  a very personal one and some people will not be happy discussing this but it is a subject that interests me.
In my own way I've now 'switched off ' which is mystifying my wife as she knows I have a healthy sex drive .....also  how many of us have good relationships with our partners in every other way except for this one issue !! 

Any thoughts ?

In a nutshell 'yes' my sex life with mrs p is once a year if I am lucky then it's hollow ... At one point it went almost 4yrs....most I get now is a reluctant hand job once/twice a year - if she found out could she really blame me or herself?

[kingkong]

I do not have any problems getting gorgeous girls when I am in a night club or at the gym etc.
My problem is I go through phases when I do not want a GF, but if I pick up a girl and tell her I do not want a GF but can we just have sex, they will say " yes thats ok". They soon start texting and calling asking when I am taking them out again. So if I just want a shag, then WGs are my best option.

[KentAde]

In a nutshell 'yes' my sex life with mrs p is once a year if I am lucky then it's hollow ... At one point it went almost 4yrs....most I get now is a reluctant hand job once/twice a year - if she found out could she really blame me or herself?

Is my wife related to yours as it seems we have the same goings-on??!!

I punt mainly for great BJ's leading to seeing girls swallow my cum aswell as loving the odd arse fuck now and again!

[longballs]

Because I'm attracted to girls well out of my league and could never pull some of the stunners I choose to punt with.

[Troyb]

Sex is part of life , u can't get enough from ur wife or GF then u will punting
Simple

[partickphil]

I figure I ought to enjoy the freedom being young, single and a decent paycheck brings as much as possible. You could wine and dine a girl who, if she's otherwise out of your league looks wise, you're never quite sure what her intentions are, but you would save unnecessary emotional and extra financial investment by paying for sex with someone just as if not more attractive.

[blackburnian]

For me the lack of sex at home is a major reason , however I do love the thrill of the chase, not knowing what may be round the corner is a big big draw.
I have stopped punting for long periods - upto a year but I always seem drawn back.

Blackburnian

[knightrider007]

It is easier than having to chat a woman up, and ultimately alot cheaper. Once student life is over, women judge a guy on status and wealth. Now that does not mean they want a professional like a doctor, some women think a bouncer has status because he is hardest bloke on the block. Some women like a guy for what car he drives, other women llike a guy because he buys gifts or takes them on holiday. Point is all of the above costs money!

Punting costs money of course, but it just short circuits the faffing around.

[Cornish sub]

snowball

This isn't a criticism - each to their own and all that - but this is one activity I've never been able to get my head round. The thought of a mouthful of cum, even if it is my own, makes me want to heave.

[SirPhilipXX]

In my own way I've now 'switched off ' which is mystifying my wife as she knows I have a healthy sex drive .....also  how many of us have good relationships with our partners in every other way except for this one issue !! 

I was wondering whether any married punters have been able to discuss this in a mature non-emotional way with their wives?

If two people love each other and they want to stay married, but the wife admits that she is no longer interested in sex, would not she be willing to tolerate - even encourage - her husband to punt from time to time? Just something he needs to do, like going for a haircut?
 
I would imagine that if any punter's wife was capable of reflecting on the problem calmly and rationally (a big 'if' I realise), she might conclude that he is much less likely to have an extra-marital affair if he is able to satisfy his sexual appetite through seeing a WG from time to time? Just so long as he didn't blow too much of the household budget!

[rpg]

I was wondering whether any married punters have been able to discuss this in a mature non-emotional way with their wives?

If two people love each other and they want to stay married, but the wife admits that she is no longer interested in sex, would not she be willing to tolerate - even encourage - her husband to punt from time to time? Just something he needs to do, like going for a haircut?
 
I would imagine that if any punter's wife was capable of reflecting on the problem calmly and rationally (a big 'if' I realise), she might conclude that he is much less likely to have an extra-marital affair if he is able to satisfy his sexual appetite through seeing a WG from time to time? Just so long as he didn't blow too much of the household budget!

I'm sure there are wives like this but I'm also sure they will be a tiny minority.

[willbred]

I was wondering whether any married punters have been able to discuss this in a mature non-emotional way with their wives?

If two people love each other and they want to stay married, but the wife admits that she is no longer interested in sex, would not she be willing to tolerate - even encourage - her husband to punt from time to time? Just something he needs to do, like going for a haircut?
 
I would imagine that if any punter's wife was capable of reflecting on the problem calmly and rationally (a big 'if' I realise), she might conclude that he is much less likely to have an extra-marital affair if he is able to satisfy his sexual appetite through seeing a WG from time to time? Just so long as he didn't blow too much of the household budget!

Maybe I'm doing something very wrong...but none of my punts remotely resemble going for a haircut 

[StevenS]

Maybe I'm doing something very wrong...but none of my punts remotely resemble going for a haircut 

Something for the weekend, sir?

[Frenchie]

When I started this topic I tried hard to think of the right title for the thread..what I was really after was a discussion about our home circumstances and our attitudes towards our partners .
There have been some interesting answers , but I think Sir PhillipXX has touched the nerve more than anyone else..

I can talk to my wife about almost anything and we have had the sit down, mature , one to one conversation on numerous occasions..
but this is partly the problem .. NOTHING CHANGES !!

I understand that  because of age , women's sex drive (usually ) diminishes but I've said on numerous occasions that if she is not interested then a BJ or HJ once a week is not unreasonable.

Women are always going on about kisses and cuddles and affection - true - most women thrive on this - but then so do men !
If not why do punters get upset when WG's don't do kissing or DFK

I have now withdrawn all the kisses and cuddles which is  mystifying her even further !!!!!
This might sound harsh ( and sometimes it's hard to do ) but the punting has allowed me to do this....lets face it , this has always been the major weapon of women --now the boots on the other foot . I can't remember where I saw it  but somebody was talking about this in the media.

In the past women viewed sex ( especially within marriage) as doing their duty- this was better than nothing -but I truly believe that men don't want women to' give in' they want genuine LUST !!!

Got to go now as I've got the hairdresser  in the house to cut my hair - no really !!

[mh]

My wife enjoys sex, just nowhere near enough - once every month or two at best (and very vanilla too). There was a short period this year where she was hornier but that stopped as quickly as it started. The trouble is that if she is not in the mood then even a hand job is entirely out of the question. I really don't understand why she can't help me come even if she doesn't feel the need herself.

[rpg]

My wife enjoys sex, just nowhere near enough - once every month or two at best (and very vanilla too). There was a short period this year where she was hornier but that stopped as quickly as it started. The trouble is that if she is not in the mood then even a hand job is entirely out of the question. I really don't understand why she can't help me come even if she doesn't feel the need herself.

None of us understand and I've yet to meet a man who's wife has explained it properly to him. It's so common it has to be genetic. They've had the kids, or reached an age where it's too late to have kids so libido decreases.
What's wrong with the odd wank or a blow job though?

[GrumpyoldGit]

I got caught out many moons ago. Not punting though, with a woman whilst serving in HM Forces.
Sex has totally gone since.
Now I have met my regular, we meet up very often, sometimes just for a chat which never seems to happen at home lately either.
The sex with my reg is absolutely fantastic. We push each others buttons.

[veexox]

I'm going to give a woman's point of view here (Don't shoot me!) us women get bored too. My partner has stopped giving me oral or doing any foreplay for a year but expects Bj's, Hjs, anal, on demand. He expects me to jump up for the chance to have sex with him but when we do it he just lies there while I have to do all the work he never rubs my clit or tries to get me off he never ravishes me which is what I really crave. He doesn't really try romance me anymore which is not normal as he's in his mid-twenties. I've suggested killing kittens sex parties as we are both young and attractive but he says that's weird then expects a BJ and CIM. I'm just getting bored of everything being on his terms!

[mh]

None of us understand and I've yet to meet a man who's wife has explained it properly to him. It's so common it has to be genetic. They've had the kids, or reached an age where it's too late to have kids so libido decreases.
What's wrong with the odd wank or a blow job though?

Perhaps it's like our post-punt feeling of "what am I doing here?" just after coming, but on a 2 month scale. "Why would I want to touch that or put it in my mouth?".

[otorolover]

Totally agree with Frenchie as its the feeling of being wanted by a woman during sex that is more important than the actual sex itself.  I find just having sex on its own a very hollow experience and the reason that I look for good GFE from my punts (Pixie from HoD can't be beaten for this imho).  My ex wife and current partner were both very touchy feely for the first year or 2 but soon it became a chore (planned and scheduled like a diary appointment), which is what I hate the most.

A secondary reason for punting (I do this on a very patchy basis depending on when I can't deal with the emptiness of scheduled sex no more) is that I get to satisfy my personal preferences for a woman.  I am more attracted to my partner because of who she is inside rather than the outside (not that shes ugly at all!) and I prefer it this way but there will always be a part of me lusting after a slim, shorter woman and punting helps me achieve that without having to naively look for that "perfect woman".

[The President]

Is my wife related to yours as it seems we have the same goings-on??!!

I punt mainly for great BJ's leading to seeing girls swallow my cum aswell as loving the odd arse fuck now and again!

It's crazy eh.... Thought women wanted equal ops/rights and no discrimination  etc seems they can't keep up with us men

[Ali Katt]

This isn't a criticism - each to their own and all that - but this is one activity I've never been able to get my head round. The thought of a mouthful of cum, even if it is my own, makes me want to heave.

I think the taboo aspect is part of and why anal with women holds so much appeal to many men. Personally, I like the intimacy of it, it is like kissing only you are doing something disgusting that many people baulk at. So part taboo, part rarity, part intimacy. There's thing I don't understand adult baby minding being the main one, I just can't see why people find it sexual.

[Cornish sub]

I think the taboo aspect is part of and why anal with women holds so much appeal to many men. Personally, I like the intimacy of it, it is like kissing only you are doing something disgusting that many people baulk at. So part taboo, part rarity, part intimacy. There's thing I don't understand adult baby minding being the main one, I just can't see why people find it sexual.

I've never tried (or wanted to) anal either, it just holds no appeal for me. But the thought of it doesn't repulse me in the slightest (as long as it involves a male and a female), unlike snowballing. But as I said, each to their own. As for adult babies, though, that's an each to their own too far for me.

[Cornish sub]

I'm going to give a woman's point of view here (Don't shoot me!) us women get bored too. My partner has stopped giving me oral or doing any foreplay for a year but expects Bj's, Hjs, anal, on demand. He expects me to jump up for the chance to have sex with him but when we do it he just lies there while I have to do all the work he never rubs my clit or tries to get me off he never ravishes me which is what I really crave. He doesn't really try romance me anymore which is not normal as he's in his mid-twenties. I've suggested killing kittens sex parties as we are both young and attractive but he says that's weird then expects a BJ and CIM. I'm just getting bored of everything being on his terms!

You what?

[Toshiba]

You what?

Its a place that organise high end sex parties

[StevenS]

Its a place that organise high end sex parties

And run by veexox I suspect

[vorian]

If I'm being honest because. I'm too old and too fat for young fit girls to be attracted to me not without making massive effort anyway and with no guarantee of success. I have just enough money spare to pay fit, young attractive girls to fuck me for money. I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs because I choose not to. What I do choose to do is find (Not always easy, HOMEWORK)  good WG's who are happy to exchange my money for their time and services. A perfectly civilised arrangement, they get what they want and I get what I want. That's the reason I punt.

[knightrider007]

If I'm being honest because. I'm too old and too fat for young fit girls to be attracted to me not without making massive effort anyway and with no guarantee of success. I have just enough money spare to pay fit, young attractive girls to fuck me for money. I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs because I choose not to. What I do choose to do is find (Not always easy, HOMEWORK)  good WG's who are happy to exchange my money for their time and services. A perfectly civilised arrangement, they get what they want and I get what I want. That's the reason I punt.

mate, being in your view old and fat has nothing to do with your ability to pull. Times have changed, good looking women now are much more aware of their value and with lapdancing and escorting no longer frowned upon (street prostitution still is), most women only have casual sex for money i.e escort! Obviously the statistics will not back my argument up at all, but , women are not going to admit to being escorts. That has nothing to do with the moral aspect and society's views, more to do with the Inland Revenue.

Its not rocket science this. When women get to 18, money is more sexy than a cock. If they are hot, they will spot the fact they can still have fun, but be on WAG money!! Id say most women dream of being a WAG!

Dont do yourself down. It was easier to 'pull' civvie girls 20-30 years ago than now. Being a hooker used to be shameful. Nowadays ive seen escorts who have had their mothers ringing them to ensure they are ok on the appointment!!! These are law students as well!! Funding their degree!!

[vorian]

Sir you do indeed make a valuable argument and thank you for your kind words but I am really not down on myself at all. Everything in life is risk/effort vs reward, you are of course right and anything can be achieved with enough effort and certainly money. What you say is very true about how women and escorting has changed. I actually like the change its refreshingly honest in it dishonesty.

The way I see it is, if I want a chair, I can go to the woods, cut a tree down and make a chair which might not even look like a chair when I have finished, or I can go to IKEA buy a cheap flat pack and assemble a chair which won't last forever or I can go to Harveys and pick the colour, the shape and the style and pay for it and sit on it straight away. That why I punt because the ratio of effort vs the reward is so much better.

[Frenchie]

My wife enjoys sex, just nowhere near enough - once every month or two at best (and very vanilla too). There was a short period this year where she was hornier but that stopped as quickly as it started. The trouble is that if she is not in the mood then even a hand job is entirely out of the question. I really don't understand why she can't help me come even if she doesn't feel the need herself.

This is also a major problem.....inconsistency ! My wife once got me to pull the car over into a lay-by to give me a blow job - great !
She then subtley let all her girlfriends know what had happened and I got ribbed for quite a  few months -I think she liked to give the
impression that she was some sex beast ... well that was five years ago and it hasn't happened since !!!!

A mate of mine was married to a lovely looking woman who only indulged in 'vanilla sex ' -in fact he was her only lover .
One day he came home from his very manual job in his overalls and  dirty from work - to be told to fuck her up the arse !

Needless to say he obliged her ...this was so out of character it was untrue... BUT- never happened again !

Within our group of friends we have the usual banter and one night I mentioned that most men fantasize about being woken up with a BJ . This was met by my wife saying 'I did that ' {with some indignation in her voice }
I couldn't resist it ....... much to her embarrassment I stated in a loud voice ..'THAT WAS EIGHT YEARS AGO !!! '

[Taggart]

I can talk to my wife about almost anything and we have had the sit down, mature , one to one conversation on numerous occasions..
but this is partly the problem .. NOTHING CHANGES !!

I understand that  because of age , women's sex drive (usually ) diminishes but I've said on numerous occasions that if she is not interested then a BJ or HJ once a week is not unreasonable.

Women are always going on about kisses and cuddles and affection - true - most women thrive on this - but then so do men !
If not why do punters get upset when WG's don't do kissing or DFK

I have now withdrawn all the kisses and cuddles which is  mystifying her even further !!!!!

In the past women viewed sex ( especially within marriage) as doing their duty- this was better than nothing -but I truly believe that men don't want women to' give in' they want genuine LUST !!!

Got to go now as I've got the hairdresser  in the house to cut my hair - no really !!

I think many of us have suffered the decling lack of sex in marriage.  As singles, before marriage I got regular BJs. Lucky if I get one a year now. HJs hurt her wrist, to which I say more practise is needed.

Sex is, 99.9% of time when she wants it, the usual excuse no to being one of the kids is home. Oddly when we have the house free nothing happens then, either. Plus it's so vanilla. No sexy lingerie, nowt. Pisses me off, particularly as Mrs T is attractive and can turn heads. Bet some blokes look at us and think 'lucky sod', if only they knew. Dont suppose it's much different in other marriage, which is why we are here?

When Mrs T does actually consent to sex, she really enjoys it (or at least makes the right noises!), but for reasons unclear that isnt quite enough to encourage sessions on a more frequent basis.

Therefore to satisfy my sex needs, I punt and will only see pretty, slim, youngish ladies who are able to give me what I want. I'm lucky to have the finances to do so, when I want, as well. I think many would agree it's good for our egos too, to fuck a young, nubile woman.

As for hairdressers, I have one who comes to my home, and boy, yes I would.    It's been so very, very difficult not to touch her in a sexual way, she has gorgeous pert tits and arse. I know she's not flush, and have thought about offering her £250 for a couple of hours together, but fear it could be a disasterous move - in more ways that one. So I'll stick with WGs.

[SirPhilipXX]

As for hairdressers, I have one who comes to my home, and boy, yes I would.    It's been so very, very difficult not to touch her in a sexual way, she has gorgeous pert tits and arse. I know she's not flush, and have thought about offering her £250 for a couple of hours together, but fear it could be a disasterous move - in more ways that one. So I'll stick with WGs.

Well if you do decide to ask her, make sure the haircut's included: then you have killed two birds with one stone, as the saying goes 

[mh]

As for hairdressers, I have one who comes to my home, and boy, yes I would.    It's been so very, very difficult not to touch her in a sexual way, she has gorgeous pert tits and arse. I know she's not flush, and have thought about offering her £250 for a couple of hours together, but fear it could be a disasterous move - in more ways that one. So I'll stick with WGs.

Jeez, make sure you ask her after the haircut or you might get a style you didn't want and can't explain... In fact probably best to make sure she has put the scissors away, full stop. 

[mh]

Within our group of friends we have the usual banter and one night I mentioned that most men fantasize about being woken up with a BJ . This was met by my wife saying 'I did that ' {with some indignation in her voice }
I couldn't resist it ....... much to her embarrassment I stated in a loud voice ..'THAT WAS EIGHT YEARS AGO !!! '

This sounds so familiar! When we're with friends they probably go home thinking, "lucky bastard, that mh, I wish my wife was as dirty as she is". She puts up a good story of innuendo and open-mindedness when with friends but when the bedroom door closes she might as well be wearing a 1950's ankle length winceyette nightie...!

[Frenchie]

This sounds so familiar! When we're with friends they probably go home thinking, "lucky bastard, that mh, I wish my wife was as dirty as she is". She puts up a good story of innuendo and open-mindedness when with friends but when the bedroom door closes she might as well be wearing a 1950's ankle length winceyette nightie...!

OMG - so many of us are in the same boat !

  I  recently told a friend  on this forum forum(via pm ) the following story.....When  we lived in London my wife had a friend who was very attractive- blonde 5'8'' , long legs , nice figure, late 30's . I met her husband a few times  and he seemed a really decent ,nice bloke....

One day my wife heard that he'd  met an old flame via the internet and buggered off with her !! She was  apparently older- not as
attractive.....
Al the 'girlfriends' gathered round in support of the wife.  -----'what a bastard ' , ' how could he ' etc etc ........ It then turned out that the wife had had her knees glued together FOR THREE YEARS  !!!!!!!  WTF do they expect !!

I've actually related this story to as many people as I can (in mixed company,) hoping it might  even make MY wife think it bit more....
I've even stated that if I ever met the husband I'd shake him by the hand and wish him good luck ! .. but none of this sinks in...

Another thing that pisses me off ( I'm on my soapbox now ! ) is the way these women lust after blokes in films or on the telly and get a 'moist on'...I feel like saying 'Yeah ..and what would you do with them ? .. read them a bed time story ? 'cos you're not interested in SEX !!!  '

Getting back to hairdressers..when I was young ( from the age of fifteen ) I used to get my hair cut by a cracking blonde girl who I  had fantasized and lusted after for many years. She was not only gorgeous but bi- sexual and  very 'up front'
At the age of 22 (by this time she was 32 ) she actually asked ME out and for three months my dreams came true....she even offered me anal ..... oh happy days....in fact my only  other sexual fantasy was with a girl  I worked with ..blonde, fit , big boobs , gorgeous face, figure and up for almost everything ..I lusted after her for two years until one night all my dreams came true !!!!..............
....................and then I married her !
How things change.....

It sounds like I've got a bad attitude .. the truth is that these attitudes frustrate me because I ADORE women .....

[Curious George]

I can relate to the stuff on here about Hippocratic women...
I punt because I try to make the most of being, young and single and also because I want to live out as many sexual fantasies as possible before I settle down. As much as your future partner may be an amazing woman in many ways- She is unlikely to be keen on your fucking her face and spunking down her throat (while dressed as a nun), before bering her over a kitchen counter and pounding her ass and covering her face again (This is just one of them) So better to get it ticked off the bucket list before it's too late....

[dj3k]

Simply I like sex and with lots of different women. Nothing beats the feeling of what it feels like first time with a women.  Within a few mins you'll know how things are going to go well or not and you don't usually get the drama with a WG as you do with a GF.

[Dani]

I've suggested killing kittens sex parties as we are both young and attractive but he says that's weird then expects a BJ and CIM. I'm just getting bored of everything being on his terms!

don't bother Killing Kittens parties are shite.  Its mainly escorts anyway and the likelihood of being invited to join in is zero for your partner unless he looks like an Adonis so he will be stood around with all the other men hoping for some sex and getting none. 

Better off to just arrange private swinging or going to one of the better known swinging clubs.

The rest of your post was correct though that men are as bad as women for either going off sex all together (once in a blue moon) or expecting the full works without giving anything back which in turn makes the female not want to bother.

My lprevious partner was a great lover until we got married but then decided he did not need to give any foreplay at all now as he was my husband so I should be happy to do everything he wanted in bed and then let him fuck me as that should be enough to keep me happy.  Needless to say we ended up divorced as I cannot live without a decent sex life and no matter how much you love someone neither will be happy if one wants something the other wont give.  I wont stay in a relationship where I am unhappy so I got out as back then I wouldn't have dreamed of doing this job

[Strawberry]

OMG - so many of us are in the same boat !

  I  recently told a friend  on this forum forum(via pm ) the following story.....When  we lived in London my wife had a friend who was very attractive- blonde 5'8'' , long legs , nice figure, late 30's . I met her husband a few times  and he seemed a really decent ,nice bloke....

One day my wife heard that he'd  met an old flame via the internet and buggered off with her !! She was  apparently older- not as
attractive.....
Al the 'girlfriends' gathered round in support of the wife.  -----'what a bastard ' , ' how could he ' etc etc ........ It then turned out that the wife had had her knees glued together FOR THREE YEARS  !!!!!!!  WTF do they expect !!

I've actually related this story to as many people as I can (in mixed company,) hoping it might  even make MY wife think it bit more....
I've even stated that if I ever met the husband I'd shake him by the hand and wish him good luck ! .. but none of this sinks in...

Another thing that pisses me off ( I'm on my soapbox now ! ) is the way these women lust after blokes in films or on the telly and get a 'moist on'...I feel like saying 'Yeah ..and what would you do with them ? .. read them a bed time story ? 'cos you're not interested in SEX !!!  '

Getting back to hairdressers..when I was young ( from the age of fifteen ) I used to get my hair cut by a cracking blonde girl who I  had fantasized and lusted after for many years. She was not only gorgeous but bi- sexual and  very 'up front'
At the age of 22 (by this time she was 32 ) she actually asked ME out and for three months my dreams came true....she even offered me anal ..... oh happy days....in fact my only  other sexual fantasy was with a girl  I worked with ..blonde, fit , big boobs , gorgeous face, figure and up for almost everything ..I lusted after her for two years until one night all my dreams came true !!!!..............
....................and then I married her !
How things change.....

It sounds like I've got a bad attitude .. the truth is that these attitudes frustrate me because I ADORE women .....

Those that talk about it usually aren't.