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Offline Home Alone

:drinks: Sorry chaps, I was finking everyone knew of cuckhold fetish?

Never assume anything, Wooderz.

For example, I keep having to remind myself that, apparently, you aren't the adolescent that your 'style' of messaging led me to assume you were.

Wooderz

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Never assume anything, Wooderz.

For example, I keep having to remind myself that, apparently, you aren't the adolescent that your 'style' of messaging led me to assume you were.
in my dreams.. if I had my time again..   :drinks:

TailSeeker

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women love money.. what surprises me is how so few clever women have found that it is easier to access financial resources using their axewounds rather than brains.. Perhaps in the past snaring a well paid mug was much easier, now they have 20 regular punters instead..  :lol:

Actually among scientists it's pretty common (academic rather than industry). About 1 in 5 PhD students do it who are studying the sciences and it's pretty similar for those who are post docs/working researchers. Pay just isn't what it should be. Hell a lot of industry uses the labs as it's cheaper than paying people in house.

Why pay 50 to 70k per person, when you can just pay part costs and get a PhD student to do it who is surviving on 12 to 15k, 18k if they're lucky to get a welcome trust grant.

Wooderz

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Actually among scientists it's pretty common (academic rather than industry). About 1 in 5 PhD students do it who are studying the sciences and it's pretty similar for those who are post docs/working researchers. Pay just isn't what it should be. Hell a lot of industry uses the labs as it's cheaper than paying people in house.

Why pay 50 to 70k per person, when you can just pay part costs and get a PhD student to do it who is surviving on 12 to 15k, 18k if they're lucky to get a welcome trust grant.
Market forces. I wonder why some folks I know are earning a million annually just because.. Because some firms will pay for the best CEO.. Pay certainly seems to be "not as it should be" in many regards.. I read somewhere the average prossie earns 2k per week. Now I am sure most folk could live off far less than that.. I am sure nurses etc provide a much more essential service in the eyes of many.. I am sure many nurses are happy to work in the oldest profession if they see it as an easy way of making cash..

People always want more money. Some can earn it by doing "sex work". risks are, I would imagine, many and varied and certainly put off enough to keep prices high. Can't be any easy life and I would imagine social stigma is awful..

Offline Waterhouse

Actually among scientists it's pretty common (academic rather than industry). About 1 in 5 PhD students do it who are studying the sciences and it's pretty similar for those who are post docs/working researchers. Pay just isn't what it should be.
Devil's advocate of a question, but what do male students and post-grads/post-docs do to get by? Seems they've found a way to sustain themselves that does not involve escorting?

Please don't get me wrong since I in no way shape or form look down on escorting as either a career or as a means of topping up the coffers, in fact I feel the opposite given the stigmas, blinkered views, and crap you have to put up with sometimes. I am genuinely curious as to how guys in your line of study and work make money to stay afloat?


Wooderz

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Devil's advocate of a question, but what do male students and post-grads/post-docs do to get by? Seems they've found a way to sustain themselves that does not involve escorting?

Please don't get me wrong since I in no way shape or form look down on escorting as either a career or as a means of topping up the coffers, in fact I feel the opposite given the stigmas, blinkered views, and crap you have to put up with sometimes. I am genuinely curious as to how guys in your line of study and work make money to stay afloat?
I find a big part of "staying afloat" financially is about not wasting huge swathes of money on shite. Women have an extraordinary ability to dispose of every last penny on clothes, dining out, holidays, beauty treatments etc. Some men have costly habits too. Punting, etc.. :hi:
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TailSeeker

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Market forces. I wonder why some folks I know are earning a million annually just because.. Because some firms will pay for the best CEO.. Pay certainly seems to be "not as it should be" in many regards.. I read somewhere the average prossie earns 2k per week. Now I am sure most folk could live off far less than that.. I am sure nurses etc provide a much more essential service in the eyes of many.. I am sure many nurses are happy to work in the oldest profession if they see it as an easy way of making cash..

People always want more money. Some can earn it by doing "sex work". risks are, I would imagine, many and varied and certainly put off enough to keep prices high. Can't be any easy life and I would imagine social stigma is awful..

I honestly find the idea of 2k a week on average surprising. But I'm low traffic, so I never clear that much unless I've got two overnighters (which I can honestly say I've only done 4 times in 2 years). Social stigma isn't so bad among similar aged as so many people do it now.

Devil's advocate of a question, but what do male students and post-grads/post-docs do to get by? Seems they've found a way to sustain themselves that does not involve escorting?

Please don't get me wrong since I in no way shape or form look down on escorting as either a career or as a means of topping up the coffers, in fact I feel the opposite given the stigmas, blinkered views, and crap you have to put up with sometimes. I am genuinely curious as to how guys in your line of study and work make money to stay afloat?

As the Kings study into it showed, roughly the same number of men do sex work of some sort. I believe the stats were slightly lower for men, slightly higher for women, equally out to a 1 in 5 in the sciences.

As for post. The reality unfortunately is even with the Athena swan awards men are promoted over women in scientific fields. Men get PI posts and professorships earlier, and school chair positions earlier. Even in biology which is 50:50 gender spit of students, but come PI they're mostly male. Which are the higher paid positions.

I'm one of the few women in the UK as a head in my department area, when I started I was one of two in the UK. I still hold the record as being the youngest department head for my field. But I still get screwed on pay. I'm only getting paid as much as I am as I threatened a lawsuit after finding out my less qualified and leas experienced male predecessor was being paid £20k a year more than I was (I only learnt this because he left scans on his payslip on the computer I inherited). I settled for splitting the difference as I believe in the work done and know taking it to the legal level would burn bridges for every university/scientific institute. But I'm still annoyed I'm paid 10k less a year than a less qualified man. Often it's not as bad at my age now. But I'm still way underpaid compared to men in my field and I have a solid 11 years experience in it compared to often their 6 months to 3 years (I'm more than happy to be paid less than my York counterpoint as he's hella amazing and really leads the field, I look up to him as he's a real leader and innovator, but not a just graduated PhD student/other scientist with no experience in the field).

Most survive by sharing flats/houses with multiple people (well into their 30's and 40's, unless in a relationship), and further out from where they work. Or living with family, getting help from family. But a lot of scientists leave research as the money just isn't there. And with the current uncertainty around brexit it's just gotten harder as we're loosing a lot of funding. I know more than a few researchers who have been asked to work without pay. Not uncommon at PhD (most will do 6 to 12 months without funding), but post PhD it is insane, but is happening. A lot have another job just to keep a roof over their head, or two (I personally know one postdoc working two other jobs just to make rent, and know several PhD students male and female who have asked me for advice on sexwork). The sector is going to contract at some point, we're at breaking point.

At least in science there are transferable skills. So people are moving away slowly but surely. Which is a shame as we as a country used to lead in scientific research.