Changing What Escorts Are Called in Reviews

[finn5555]

The word p ro $$ ie was perfect it sums them all up perfectly 

[Kev40ish]

You can always make up a new one

Pro$$i€

But it doesn’t really seem the effort for just one word

[tantric talents]

But it doesn’t really seem the effort for just one word

What, you mean “worth” ? 

[Kev40ish]

What, you mean “worth” ? 

 

[tantric talents]

[Marmalade]

Using $$ instead of ss is the i$$ue I think in the word formerly used:  p r o $ $ i e. I call them ladies.  Curiously no-one calls them e$corts

Probably some Jungian memory of when the name Microsoft had such an awful reputation for money-making and the s was often replaced with a $.

I only use the spelling “prο$$ie” when I’m referring to what I see as blatantly avaricious over-charging. But call them ladies if you like. I find that a tad disrespectful to real ladies like Diana or Princess Kate Middleton or anyone who is genuinely lady-like in their public and private life.

Thing is l, Microsoft is still Microsoft, not “the Company that designs and sells Windows Software”. The legal term for them is probably Microsoft Inc. a registered company. The legal term for people who sell sex is ‘prostitute’. That’s the proper word. ‘Prοssie’ is a bit less formal and more affectionate. 

Btw, no disrespect to the Service Provider who came on and spouted a bit of shite! My answer was directed at the shite she wrote, not at her personally or at her status as a prostitute. 

[Horizontal pleasures]

so since this is not a review we can call a lady a lady not a $ex worker?

[Horizontal pleasures]

It just occurred to me that TOWIE would be The Only Way Is E$$ex ..

[Horizontal pleasures]

I tried P r o £ £ i e with no spaces and it became Sex Worker although this is not a review.

[Marmalade]

so since this is not a review we can call a lady a lady not a $ex worker?

I wouldn’t call Princess Diana a Sex Worker. I prefer to call things and people by their correct name. Your “old lady” (ie your wife if you have or had one) maybe worked hard at sex with you. Would you call her a Sex Worker? I think it’s a bit of a silly phrase. It’s like disabilities. Every so often someone comes up with a new euphemism. Eventually the euphemism becomes ‘discriminatory’ and so they think up another one. I can think of many examples ...

[agentsmith]

The word itself doesn't bother me either way. But I'd prefer rules to be set and people choosing to follow them, or not and face the consequences, as opposed to automatic censorship.

Seems a bit oldspeak/newspeak to me.

[Kev40ish]

The word itself doesn't bother me either way. But I'd prefer rules to be set and people choosing to follow them, or not and face the consequences, as opposed to automatic censorship.

Seems a bit oldspeak/newspeak to me.

So you’d prefer a dictatorship.. anyone who says a particular word gets banned?
Not sure that’s a very good policy as there are a lot of people Admin would have to ban.
I am sure people will just accept and not use the word eventually, yes there are some who will try to get around it, but that’s just part of the banter of an adult site..

[SlamBoy]

So you’d prefer a dictatorship.. anyone who says a particular word gets banned?
Not sure that’s a very good policy as there are a lot of people Admin would have to ban.
I am sure people will just accept and not use the word eventually, yes there are some who will try to get around it, but that’s just part of the banter of an adult site..

+1

[agentsmith]

So you’d prefer a dictatorship.. anyone who says a particular word gets banned?
Not sure that’s a very good policy as there are a lot of people Admin would have to ban.
I am sure people will just accept and not use the word eventually, yes there are some who will try to get around it, but that’s just part of the banter of an adult site..

This isn't a democracy. The owner of the site sets the rules. You can either stay and follow the rules, or leave. If you can't follow the rules you get banned. That's how the site works isn't it?

[Horizontal pleasures]

This isn't a democracy. The owner of the site sets the rules. You can either stay and follow the rules, or leave. If you can't follow the rules you get banned. That's how the site works isn't it?

maybe but where is this rule about use of words available ? It seems that the rule is not only 'in reviews' as this thread implies?

[Belgarion]

Don't use the word, not fussed, I personally think the one with the dollar signs is silly. But hey ho

[agentsmith]

maybe but where is this rule about use of words available ? It seems that the rule is not only 'in reviews' as this thread implies?

I agree HP. The rules need to be clarified. Especially if there are any changes since the handover. Though I think they've got bigger fish to fry at the minute.

[90125]

We are working on refreshing The Rules.

[HumphryB]

Well princess, sorry, but you're wrong.  In a simple transactional arrangement between two people, the two ARE defined by their roles in that transaction.  The two people are punter and prostitute,  these are the terms that define them within that context. 

Of course, prostitutes and punters wear many hats; mother, father, colleague, boss, son, daughter, neighbour, friend etc etc.  Here on UKP, we generally tend to keep those roles and relationships separate from our punting, just as I'm sure you tend to keep them separate from your prostitution.  Let's stick to the transactional nature of what we do here and define our roles in simple terms: I am a punter, you are a prostitute. 

Don't be ashamed of that here, it's a perfectly good word and has a definition that describes what you do, it has no negative connotations for me and, I suspect, the vast majority of those of us who pay prostitutes for their services.

Back to the main thrust of this thread, what puzzles me is the idea that a contraction of prostitute is now to be considered offensive.  It is not the same as the other contraction that has been bandied about, the term for those from Pakistan.  By that logic even America is offensive, the correct term is United States of America.  Fuck, let's not even think of words like let's, won't, don't, isn't.

The point is, a contraction isn't offensive in itself and this idea that Sex Worker is now offensive on a site meant for men to review prostitutes for sex, is a worrying one for me.  I don't feel a word should be banned just because admin doesn't like it, words should only be banned if genuinely offensive... words like nigger... which no right-thinking person should find acceptable, yet I can type with reckless abandon.

Anyway, it's new Admin's trainset, I can be told to fuck off if I don't like it, but I don't like the precedent set here.

Poopster has it on this one. Totally agree
But also

  Context is key!

Saying/typing an offensive word can only offend when used in the correct, or incorrect rather, context.

NIGGER, FAGGOT, TRANNY, BITCH

Banning words in my opinion is like burning books. This place may well be fucked! and I'm mightily saddened if it ends up where i think its going.
Fucking hell lads, wish i wasnt such a "TECH" "MONG" or i would try run the site as per old admins standards. Rant over

[James999]

We are working on refreshing The Rules.

The ethos and attitude of the owners is perhaps more prudent, to set the tone and then add / amend rules as required, posters (at least some) knew the stance and attitude of the previous Admin and as such that set a tone.

It's obvious the new owners want to change the tone somewhat but have not indicated their preference, other than implementing some word censorship 

[HumphryB]

The ethos and attitude of the owners is perhaps more prudent, to set the tone and then add / amend rules as required, posters (at least some) knew the stance and attitude of the previous Admin and as such that set a tone.

It's obvious the new owners want to change the tone somewhat but have not indicated their preference, other than implementing some word censorship 

There was nothing wrong with the previous tone.
 The tone was fine.
 If it's not broke dont fix it.
I fear the worst, only been punting a few years and this has been an invaluable source of sharing, venting, intel and humor. And now its got all preachy about fucking words. They're Prozzies/hos/escorts and we're johns/tricks/marks, all perfectly fine. And more offensive if so inclined to use such language.

[Corky]

Banning words in my opinion is like burning books. This place may well be fucked! and I'm mightily saddened if it ends up where i think its going.
Fucking hell lads, wish i wasnt such a "TECH" "MONG" or i would try run the site as per old admins standards. Rant over

I agree with this. Moderation is necessary I think but over the top censorship is a bad thing.

This is supposed to be a forum for men, and as such it shouldn't be influenced by feminist induced political correctness.

[finn5555]

So the words p.ro$$ie is now Sex Worker 

[finn5555]

So the words p.ro$$ie is now Sex Worker and Cunt will be banned soon 

[HumphryB]

So the words p.ro$$ie is now Sex Worker and cunt is

Its all fucked chief! Already on the scope for a new home, any suggestions? Actually a bit sad. Does it count as touting if i we post alternative outlets?

[HumphryB]

Prοssies certainly believe some weird things. I suppose you want to distinguish them from four-legged creatures? By that logic we should call airline pilots “men (or women or transgenders or transsexuals or whatever) that work as airline pilots” and rubbish collectors as “men who work as rubbish collectors” and doctors as “men who work as doctors”.

It’s absolute bollocks of course. If you were writing a bloody biography of course it’s about “the person” but quite frankly when you go to the doctor’s with a cough, you go to that person in their professional capacity, as a doctor, not as a person who is making a lot of money or having sex with his wife up the arse. That’s neither what you’re interested in or any of your fucking business. You go to see the doctor at the GUM clinic to get doctor-treatment, not to see how Mr so-and-so happens to be practicing medicine. and we go to prostitutes in their professional capacity as prostitutes. We don’t even get to know their real fucking name and they don’t want us to. So do us a favour and fuck off with your political-correctness-insecurities.

Call yourself a courtesan or a fucking rocket scientist if you want. Your social worker can call you a “person who works as a sex worker”.  To a punter you are a prοssie. That is your ‘professional status you silly cow. 

Christ, scrolling back and forth on mobile this made me mega chuckle   . Cause its true. FUCK

[Kev40ish]

Its all fucked chief! Already on the scope for a new home, any suggestions? Actually a bit sad. Does it count as touting if i we post alternative outlets?

Stop being a fucking drama queen.
Why not wait until we know the direction the site is going to take.
That’s what I am doing, there maybe very few fundamental changes, but until I know what they are I’m not going to spout the sort of shit you are or decide if I want to stay.

It’s simple really if you can’t wait to see what happens, just fuck off now..

[finn5555]

Its all fucked chief! Already on the scope for a new home, any suggestions? Actually a bit sad. Does it count as touting if i we post alternative outlets?

The site is good I’m staying put you can do as you wish of course

[Head1]

There was nothing wrong with the previous tone.
 The tone was fine.
 If it's not broke dont fix it.
I fear the worst, only been punting a few years and this has been an invaluable source of sharing, venting, intel and humor. And now its got all preachy about fucking words. They're Prozzies/hos/escorts and we're johns/tricks/marks, all perfectly fine. And more offensive if so inclined to use such language.

Well it is broke and it needs fixing and you don't have a fucking clue where it's going 

[James999]

Well it is broke and it needs fixing

Is that as in technical issues or ethos issues 

[smiths]

The site is good I’m staying put you can do as you wish of course

Same here, jeez there are some moaning arseholes about. We don't know even know what changes there are going to be at this stage. If a poster doesn't like any changes made then fuck off with the arsehole, up to the poster of course.

[Head1]

Is that as in technical issues or ethos issues 

Tech . The ethos remains as do current mods for as long as they wish

[smiths]

Tech . The ethos remains as do current mods for as long as they wish

Good to hear, and I hope your team can sort the tech issues out, sadly I am a dinosaur when it comes to anything technical on the net.

[James999]

Tech . The ethos remains as do current mods for as long as they wish

Good to hear, and I'm sure it will put many minds at rest, even paranoid over the top reactive twats like humphryB who's probably off scoping out the competition and wondering if he should launch a rival forum 

[scutty brown]

Is that as in technical issues or ethos issues 

More importantly..........financial issues???
If someone has to be brought in to fix the coding its going to cost. Maybe the recent joke about monetarizing the site is closer to reality than we care to admit

[Head1]

A swear box maybe    
I don't want to change it.  It works because it is what it is

[smiths]

Good to hear, and I'm sure it will put many minds at rest, even paranoid over the top reactive twats like humphryB who's probably off scoping out the competition and wondering if he should launch a rival forum 

What competition when it comes to punting reviews, as to starting their own forum good luck with that, that's been done before by at least 1 pissed off and then banned UKP member. It had precisely 1 member last time I looked, them.

[James999]

What competition when it comes to punting reviews, as to starting their own forum good luck with that, that's been done before by at least 1 pissed off and then banned UKP member. It had precisely 1 member last time I looked, them.

Sssh.. don't let them know, let them go and waste their time 

[niceguy30!!]

What they are is awesome, ladies that love sex and are jammy enough to be able to make a good honest living and enjoy and love being a whore. If I were a bird I'd definitely be opening my legs for cash.

[Poopster]

A swear box maybe    
I don't want to change it.  It works because it is what it is

Well for those of us who have concerns about the direction the sight may take, can you elaborate on why someone other than the site owner is censoring certain words because they "don't like the word" yet you say the ethos of the site isn't changing? 

Censorship of words is absolutely a change of ethos.

[Horizontal pleasures]

T e s t i n g : testing
l a d y : lady
p r o s s i e : Sex Worker
P r o $ $ i e : Sex Worker
P r o £ £ i e : Sex Worker
W G : WG
W o r k i n g   G i r l : Working Girl

so even with s p a c e s the censorship works against freedom of expression.

[scutty brown]

FFS...........

Three weeks ago the site was nearly closed when admin walked away and abandoned it.
Now you're criticising the team who took it over at zero notice and kept it alive. Get a sense of perspective

[James999]

Admins, when you get time can we have a Rimming emoticon for when members lick arse and suck up 

[Poopster]

FFS...........

Three weeks ago the site was nearly closed when admin walked away and abandoned it.
Now you're criticising the team who took it over at zero notice and kept it alive. Get a sense of perspective

That's not true at all though, is it?  Old Admin was clearly sowing the seeds for his departure for some time.  Appointing a horde of "helpers", then moderators, his departure wasn't a spur of the moment decision.  If one side is looking to hand over the reins then there's someone else there looking to take hold of them. 

The issue is that one of the admin team has decided to censor a single word simply because he doesn't like it, his words, not mine.  Then we have the site owner telling us there is no change of ethos, no change of direction for the site.  It seems then that the admin who activated the censor is making a liar of the owner.

And the word in question, prossie, isn't even offensive, so what's next?  You and I can, and have, called people fucking cunts on here, but now we can't use a contraction of the word prostitute?  Sorry, but that's a worrying precedent.

[RedKettle]

That's not true at all though, is it?  Old Admin was clearly sowing the seeds for his departure for some time.  Appointing a horde of "helpers", then moderators, his departure wasn't a spur of the moment decision.  If one side is looking to hand over the reins then there's someone else there looking to take hold of them. 

The issue is that one of the admin team has decided to censor a single word simply because he doesn't like it, his words, not mine.  Then we have the site owner telling us there is no change of ethos, no change of direction for the site.  It seems then that the admin who activated the censor is making a liar of the owner.

And the word in question, Sex Worker, isn't even offensive, so what's next?  You and I can, and have, called people fucking cunts on here, but now we can't use a contraction of the word prostitute?  Sorry, but that's a worrying precedent.

Just calm down, stop building issues out of nothing and let them deal with the real problems that they have in keeping the site operating. Time for discussing fine points of detail will be later. Although for what it is worth I think if they run the site they can impose their views and if you do not like you can go.

[finn5555]

That's not true at all though, is it?  Old Admin was clearly sowing the seeds for his departure for some time.  Appointing a horde of "helpers", then moderators, his departure wasn't a spur of the moment decision.  If one side is looking to hand over the reins then there's someone else there looking to take hold of them. 

The issue is that one of the admin team has decided to censor a single word simply because he doesn't like it, his words, not mine.  Then we have the site owner telling us there is no change of ethos, no change of direction for the site.  It seems then that the admin who activated the censor is making a liar of the owner.

And the word in question, Sex Worker, isn't even offensive, so what's next?  You and I can, and have, called people fucking cunts on here, but now we can't use a contraction of the word prostitute?  Sorry, but that's a worrying precedent.

Head1 owns the site and one assumes has the final say so Head1 is pr.0$$ie as a word now banned on UKP 

[Blackpool Rock]

Just calm down, stop building issues out of nothing and let them deal with the real problems that they have in keeping the site operating. Time for discussing fine points of detail will be later. Although for what it is worth I think if they run the site they can impose their views and if you do not like you can go.

Precisely, the thing is that HP also posted the same thing on the other thread 
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=251791.msg2595057#msg2595057

My reply on the other thread -
What I still don't really get is why the initial outrage about the word being censored (which one of the Admins has explained he just doesn't like the word) but moreover why people continue bringing it up and trying to bend the rules like teenage children 

Apart from this word i'm not aware of any other restrictions having been applied so perhaps people should be thankful that it's largely business as usual 
Any new owner and set of Admin's were always going to have a slightly different tack to Old Admin and like you say if people aren't happy then they can simply not use the site

It's surely not that big a deal 

[Doc Holliday]

That's not true at all though, is it?  Old Admin was clearly sowing the seeds for his departure for some time.  Appointing a horde of "helpers", then moderators, his departure wasn't a spur of the moment decision. 

He was (is?) a canny guy and he clearly was making plans ... but the actual departure timing seemed more akin to jumping ship with little warning and no backup.

As a result the real and immediate worry is the technical stability of the site, not any change of ethos which becomes irrelevant if there is nothing here.

The decision to autocensor a single word when there is a possibility of the walls coming tumbling down is indeed bizarre and I suspect 'the trio' in hindsight may regret the timing of that ... but it is what it is.

To my knowledge there is no national alternative punters orientated site out there? Cannot speak for other areas but my own area the North West now has no local forums worth speaking of.

What would we all do if UKP went down?

This is a time for unity and support not confrontation.

[James999]

This is a time for unity and support not confrontation.

Which makes it somewhat odd that with a backdrop of technical issues and workload censorship (to any degree) should be prioritised 

[scutty brown]

Admins, when you get time can we have a Rimming emoticon for when members lick arse and suck up 

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