age id verification

[Cunning Punt]

A number of articles all seem to think this will automatically become a reality for everything, everywhere.

Only the BBC TV news this evening was there a throwaway line right at the end of a long report: ie "Many sites in breach of the new rules will be based overseas, making them harder to reach - and punish".

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So The Sun's bold statement that ALL UK users will be banned from viewing all porn sites including Pornhub and You Porn, which are based overseas, may be premature.

And as has been said on here and in the articles, one will still be able to use VPNs. Trouble is I've got to work out how to do that first! 

[Londonpunter30]

A number of articles all seem to think this will automatically become a reality for everything, everywhere.

Only the BBC TV news this evening was there a throwaway line right at the end of a long report: ie "Many sites in breach of the new rules will be based overseas, making them harder to reach - and punish".

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So The Sun's bold statement that ALL UK users will be banned from viewing all porn sites including Pornhub and You Porn, which are based overseas, may be premature.

And as has been said on here and in the articles, one will still be able to use VPNs. Trouble is I've got to work out how to do that first! 

Exactly the red tops exaggerate this again.. does anyone even use UK porn sites ? Aren't they nearly all based overseas for reasons like this

[dkn]

Seems Reddit wont be affected by this new law, as more than a third of the content must be porn

So, what's to stop companies adding a load of non-porn content to their sites that no-one accesses...?

[myothernameis]

Exactly the red tops exaggerate this again.. does anyone even use UK porn sites ? Aren't they nearly all based overseas for reasons like this

I have used adult time, which I believe is owned by gamma films, and they now have one hell of a collection of porn 

[Laudanum]

And as has been said on here and in the articles, one will still be able to use VPNs. Trouble is I've got to work out how to do that first! 

It's really easy. Best to use a paid-for one (only a few quid a year) which doesn't store your browsing history, otherwise you'll be spammed by adverts constantly.

It's a bit of a non-story, really, as I rarely access sites I wouldn't want anyone to know about without one (usually streaming sites).

Whereas this site doesn't allow VPNs, there is nothing dodgy about accessing such sites which facilitate information interchange on shared adult interests!

[s0whatsnew?]

Whats bizarre is that age-verification already exists via ISP's if/when they are asked to lift parental controls.  Age has to be verified either by face-to-face or credit card submission.  First, the applicants details are put thru the police national computer.  Assuming that goes thru ok, their name and deets are added to a national database of subversives and 'potentially suspicious' individuals.   Only then does the ISP get the nod to lift parental controls.

Believe it or not, one of the sub-sites of Al-Jazeera is also on the list of  suspect websites subject to parental controls.

[smiths]

From the article  so looks like it.

But there will be the option of buying a card from a Paypoint for about £5 for 1 device which has a code on it that has to be entered into an age verification company site such as AgeID which is owned by Mindgeek who run a number of porn sites. This method at worst would mean showing photo ID I assume to the Paypoint worker who then says yes that proves to me you are an adult. I again assume they wont be taking a copy of the ID and passing it on, some Paypoints haven't that facility and some staff can barely string a sentence together let alone do anymore than either looking at you and saying yes you are over 18, or asking for photo ID to just look at.

With AgeID which is a verifcation company whose site I had a read of an email address will also apparently be needed, they wont see any of the ID you used in the shop, as in theory once the Paypoint sells you the card that's it. The next point is what sites will you be able to access once verified by the card and code in it, all 18+ sites or just those signed up with certain verification companies like AgeID owned by Mindgeek who run some big porn sites. The BBFC will be the regulator but cant recommend verification companies but say they will list them and other info on their site.

On the point made on this thread about sites hosted abroad, the government says if such sites don't verify people are adults they will get onto the ISPs to block those sites from being available here. Whether that will happen or not who knows, what the BBFC have stated is they will primarily check out the big players and rely on people reporting others to them, and that the scope of this crap is to avoid kids accidentally viewing porn. They said they know some determined enough may find a way round it not mentioning VPNs.

IMO the important thing with all this is not to use your own real ID to get verified if you are bothered about that as who knows who could get to see it, not to mention data leaks and hacks which could happen at any time. The Paypoint card although a fucking liberty at £5 is the best option outside VPN that I know of so far to be as anonymous as you can be. All assuming the card isn't withdrawn as a verification method between now and July. I predict a right royal mess with all this, it has shambles written all over it.

[Terryray]

VPN, tor network, plus other ways to hide your IP address, virtually impossible to ban it.

But Labour and Tory Party will try if only to create a smoke screen to some other load of shite through on to the statute books ,that's what they do

[Terryray]

i have been online since 1998 does that qualify me for automatic grand fathers rights to view porn or would  a bus pass suffice ,I have neither a  driving licence having  given it up when i  got to 70 or a current Passport  cause I cant afford to go any ware on the pension I get, but sure as eggs is eggs  they will find some way of taxing it ,  unless, it could be classed as educational. i don't think they tax that yet

[Home Alone]

I predict a right royal mess with all this, it has shambles written all over it.

Brought to you by the same government that thought it was a good idea to give a contract to a 'ferry company' with no ships.

Par for the course, methinks.

[mh]

But there will be the option of buying a card from a Paypoint for about £5 for 1 device which has a code on it

I reckon this "untraceable" method of verification will be banned soon enough. Like buying cigarettes for someone underage it will be abused. Over 18s making a bit of cash buying them for others.

What annoys me is that you will have to register with multiple verification services to cover multiple sites. Yes, MindGeek will be the biggest but their competitors won't want to hand over their user and traffic data to MindGeek so will use other services.

[smiths]

I reckon this "untraceable" method of verification will be banned soon enough. Like buying cigarettes for someone underage it will be abused. Over 18s making a bit of cash buying them for others.

What annoys me is that you will have to register with multiple verification services to cover multiple sites. Yes, MindGeek will be the biggest but their competitors won't want to hand over their user and traffic data to MindGeek so will use other services.

Indeed, wouldn't surprise me at all if it was banned, or dropped as a method before July. Your point about registering with multiple verification services isn't something I have heard the government mention in interviews, they have so far portrayed it that once you register and prove you are an adult off you go. Not that you may have to do it multiple times with different companies, all increasing the chances of data leaks/hacks if you use real ID like a Passport to verify with, or those who get to see the ID being well dodgy.

I see the BBFC have a voluntary scheme for verification providers around standards, should be compulsory in my view but again not surprised it isn't.

[mh]

Indeed, wouldn't surprise me at all if it was banned, or dropped as a method before July. Your point about registering with multiple verification services isn't something I have heard the government mention in interviews, they have so far portrayed it that once you register and prove you are an adult off you go. Not that you may have to do it multiple times with different companies, all increasing the chances of data leaks/hacks if you use real ID like a Passport to verify with, or those who get to see the ID being well dodgy.

I see the BBFC have a voluntary scheme for verification providers around standards, should be compulsory in my view but again not surprised it isn't.

Of course they won't say it will be messy. Mindgeek's company will want to get it's hooks into all sites, but there are already multiple ones around (e.g. agechecked.com) and each porn site will only accept one provider. Why would they do otherwise?

[stampjones]

So this is supposedly to stop little freddie accidentally seeing some naughty pics? Well wont little freddie jump straight onto tor where access is unrestricted and untraceable. At that point he and all his chums will be presented with the fully unregulated delights of the dark web. Nice work guys. Are these people physically incapable of thinking things through?

[myothernameis]

But there will be the option of buying a card from a Paypoint for about £5 for 1 device which has a code on it that has to be entered into an age verification company site such as AgeID

If I want to view free porn, why should I have to pay to prove that Im over 18, and dont trust the companies that verify your age for the sites, ie

£0 will be taken, but we need your card details, to verify your over 18, now in the small print there hidden fees, like membership for other sites, and you have to uncheck the box

[myothernameis]

I reckon this "untraceable" method of verification will be banned soon enough. Like buying cigarettes for someone underage it will be abused. Over 18s making a bit of cash buying them for others.

If they ban pay-safe, they will need to bring something else in, after all what does someone do, if they dont have a credit card, or passport, driving licence

I agree about one pay-safe could be abused, and there bound to be someone out there making some money from this, like buy 10 pay-safe @£5.00 and then sell them @ £10 to adult-lessen boys

[Stiltskin]

Are these people physically incapable of thinking things through?

Most of the time they have an ulterior motive. They might say these policies are for the greater good, but most of the time they're about winning votes or keeping big business happy. So whether it works or not it doesn't matter to them.

The section 24 landlord tax is a prime example. Designed to win votes from generation rent, it's actually making many of them homeless.

[cat1144]

how is this gonna work then?

we have to wander into the newsagents, and ask at the counter for a "porn pass" and show our driving licence or summat 

sounds proper fucked up to me tbh

[Gordon Bennett]

Something has to give. Something needs to be done to prevent kids accessing adult content. I have no idea how fucked-up and depraved I'd have turned out if I'd had access to Pornhub etc when I was 11..... Instead of badgering some girl for a quick feel of her tits behind the bike sheds, imagine demanding rimming, anal and CIM.

[goldwing1]

There are ways around it.
The pirate bay was shut down, but there are basically photocopies of the site knocking around .
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[Ipman1973]

Something has to give. Something needs to be done to prevent kids accessing adult content. I have no idea how fucked-up and depraved I'd have turned out if I'd had access to Pornhub etc when I was 11..... Instead of badgering some girl for a quick feel of her tits behind the bike sheds, imagine demanding rimming, anal and CIM.

I never have considered that,  but as my nephews are more tech savvy than I ever will be it's definitely an issue . Has anyone under  age ever accessed this forum ?  What a strange thought indeed.

[S.X. MacHine]

Something has to give. Something needs to be done to prevent kids accessing adult content. I have no idea how fucked-up and depraved I'd have turned out if I'd had access to Pornhub etc when I was 11..... Instead of badgering some girl for a quick feel of her tits behind the bike sheds, imagine demanding rimming, anal and CIM.

There is some truth in what you write. One SP complained to me that young punters treat her in rough and inappropriate ways, having 'learned' sex from porn which, as we all know, is exaggerated or shows fairly extreme depictions of sexual acts.
That said, not every porn viewing adolescent will grow up to be sexually gauche.

[Home Alone]

Was she in her'late-30s/early40s' [Stated age ], S.XMac?

I often see SPs in that age range and have heard a number of them making similar remarks.

[signy]

Reminds me of the old line from "Yes, Minster".

"We have to do something. THIS is something. So, we have to do THIS".

Never mind that THIS is ineffective, inappropriate and will probably make things worse. The one thing that governments can't do is nothing.

[Clitheroelad]

Can you not just use Tor to access porn and your normal browser for everything else ?

[stampjones]

Can you not just use Tor to access porn and your normal browser for everything else ?

Yep - that or a vpn. According to the guardian you can also verify yourself using a fake credit card ID. Its pathetic really. If we came up with the type of shit these idiots do in our daily jobs we’d be sacked immediately

[Happylad]

I`ve decided that it won`t affect me very much, so I don`t need to bother.  A quick check on my hard drives reveals that I have a ready made library of nearly a terrabyte of downloaded porn films dating from the 1980s (The Devil in Miss Jones & Deep Throat etc) onwards, most of which I haven`t watched for years. I reckon they`ll keep me going for as long as necessary.

[Home Alone]

Reminds me of the old line from "Yes, Minster".

"We have to do something. THIS is something. So, we have to do THIS".

Never mind that THIS is ineffective, inappropriate and will probably make things worse. The one thing that governments can't do is nothing.

Oh, I don't know. In the last couple of years, apart from 'baby steps' towards Brexit, the government's done fuck-all in a whole lot of policy areas: social care; education; more nurses for the NHS; etc, etc.

[S.X. MacHine]

Was she in her'late-30s/early40s' [Stated age ], S.XMac?

I often see SPs in that age range and have heard a number of them making similar remarks.

No, she's mid twenties. It's likely many SPs have encountered guys like this.

[myothernameis]

A quick check on my hard drives reveals that I have a ready made library of nearly a terrabyte of downloaded porn films

Same here a few months back, found my self a discount for a web site, £6.99, and over the next 30 days, I more or less downloaded every porn movie, now on 2 drives I have a total of 6Tb of porn, thats a lot of porn

And some of this was downloaded a few years back, could easily start my own porn site, but it would quickly be closed down

[myothernameis]

There are ways around it.
The pirate bay was shut down, but there are basically photocopies of the site knocking around .
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So some nosey parker, going to be checking all the porn sites, and reporting them

With five million porn sites worldwide, the BBFC admits it will have to concentrate enforcement on the most popular sites that refuse to comply with the law.

  UK porn block will begin on July 15 - and Brits will be forced to hand over ID

"We will primarily investigate sites with high volumes of traffic, but also carry out spot checks on less visited sites," the BBFC states.

This means that smaller porn sites that fly below the watchdog's radar could still be accessible to younger users.
"Additionally, we'll consider investigating sites that are reported to us by charities, stakeholders and individuals."

[Steve2]

It seems that it is not just porn sites. I use Bet365 for betting online and they have asked for Driving Licence or Passport for proof of age

[Home Alone]

So some nosey parker, going to be checking all the porn sites, and reporting them

If I still worked in the Civil Service, I'd look out for that job being advertised! "It's a dirty job, men, but someone's got to do it."

[MrMatrix]

From the article
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    Britons who want to watch free porn online may have to prove their age using their passport in as little as eight weeks.

so looks like it.

I do hope you are wrong Daviemac, some how it just seems inevitable. May have to get my old DVDs out........

[goldwing1]

Don`t know why this site bothers
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[BlueRock]

Daft bit of legislation. Designed to stop under 18s accessing porn. So the most tech savvy members of society will not figure out how to bypass this via mirror sites, vpns or using the TOR. Frankly it's a joke. Nerdy school kids will make alot of friends/money supplying porn to the sporty luddites

[goldwing1]

Daft bit of legislation. Designed to stop under 18s accessing porn. So the most tech savvy members of society will not figure out how to bypass this via mirror sites, vpns or using the TOR. Frankly it's a joke. Nerdy school kids will make alot of friends/money supplying porn to the sporty luddites

TOR - the vast majority of the funding comes from a few departments of the U.S government.

[brian1123]

This legislation is more likely to stop over 50s than under 18s from accessing porn.

[MrMatrix]

This legislation is more likely to stop over 50s than under 18s from accessing porn.

Agreed. 

[myothernameis]

This legislation is more likely to stop over 50s than under 18s from accessing porn.

It wont stop the mp's, bet they get free porn passes

[David50]

If Admin can block people from using a VPN on here  what is to stop porn sites such as porn hub from doing the same ?

[Kev40ish]

If Admin can block people from using a VPN on here  what is to stop porn sites such as porn hub from doing the same ?

Why would they care, it’s not in their interest to block people going on their site. They want as many views for their advertising revenue

[goldwing1]

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[arturus_rex]

anyone got any ideas?

[earlgreyman]

Highly likely seeing as this and AW are Adult sites. AW does, but UKP doesn't allow use of VPN, so using this site might become an issue, as in order to get past the age restriction walls you need to put in your personal passport # or cc details. Maybe Admin can enlighten us on this before july 2019 comes round?

[arturus_rex]

i know adultwork and vivastreet can be accessed through a vpn - shame this site can't.  maybe as you say admin can find a workaround

[earlgreyman]

I'm sure we'll find out sooner or later. I hope VPN's can be used on here in future or there's another workaround. I most certainly won't be logging with my passport or cc # if the wall goes up.   

[myothernameis]

shame this site can't.  maybe as you say admin can find a workaround

Why would you say this, admin has reasons why VPN on here is not allowed

[mh]

A quick check on my hard drives reveals that I have a ready made library of nearly a terrabyte of downloaded porn films dating from the 1980s (The Devil in Miss Jones & Deep Throat etc) onwards, most of which I haven`t watched for years.

Well I recently deleted all the copies of my own half a terabyte digital porn collection. I too hadn't watched anything from it for years and decided to delete it rather than try to manage it staying hidden and while viewing bits before deletion I concluded that the quality was so inferior to today's porn that it really wasn't worth keeping any of it even for sentimental reasons. It's not like I was going to pass the collection on to my kids...

This legislation is more likely to stop over 50s than under 18s from accessing porn.

So true!

[Happylad]

This legislation is more likely to stop over 50s than under 18s from accessing porn.

Well, it`s not going to stop this particular nearly 90s