University study into how to tell a trafficking victim through an advert

[Nosser2]

Interesting study highlighting a few pointers as to whether an advert for a SP may suggest she is a trafficking victim. Something all punters should be alive to as you could face prosecution if you get caught with such a victim, even if you didn't know she was trafficked.

Nothing on here that was that surprising to me, but useful to see some evidence for various risk factors. You have to register (for free) to see the full article, but I'll copy and paste the list of some of the main risk factors they identified.

Particularly explicit photographs (e.g. more explicit than other profiles);
Use of third person language in the advert, e.g. ‘she’/ ‘they’;
Poor use of language with spelling mistakes and broken English;
A lower price than expected relative to the local marketplace for sexual services;
A wide range of sexual services offered with seemingly no limits;
Being advertised as ‘in-calls only’ – suggesting lack of independence/autonomy and control of movement;
References to spas and massage parlours;
Indicators of recent arrival/movement e.g. ‘new in town’/’just arrived’.



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[sub_marine]

Going by that list every ROM has been trafficed, and pretty much all VS adverts including Brits are probably trafficed as well

[Nosser2]

Going by that list every ROM has been trafficed, and pretty much all VS adverts including Brits are probably trafficed as well

I take your point, but the wider issue is that the authorities are (rightly) keen on identifying and protecting trafficking victims, and it pays to do a reasonable amount of due diligence to ensure you don't risk getting caught up in it.

Personally I'd sooner reject a potential punt that might just be some bird with bad grammar or offering more than she's willing to deliver for example, than risk meeting with a victim. That's on to grounds - one, traffickers really are absolute scum and people should not be treated as property, and two, I don't fancy either a criminal record, or having to answer some interesting questions at home when the rozzers call round making enquiries!

[Rochelle]

I take your point, but the wider issue is that the authorities are (rightly) keen on identifying and protecting trafficking victims, and it pays to do a reasonable amount of due diligence to ensure you don't risk getting caught up in it.

Personally I'd sooner reject a potential punt that might just be some bird with bad grammar or offering more than she's willing to deliver for example, than risk meeting with a victim. That's on to grounds - one, traffickers really are absolute scum and people should not be treated as property, and two, I don't fancy either a criminal record, or having to answer some interesting questions at home when the rozzers call round making enquiries!

There are so many profiles with bad spelling and grammar.

[winkywanky]

There are so many profiles with bad spelling and grammar.

You can often tell the 'real British WG' profiles by the type of bad grammar and spelling.

[winkywanky]

East Europeans have a predilection for saying gentlemens.

British girls often state that they are a women  .

[badsin]

East Europeans have a predilection for saying gentlemens.

British girls often state that they are a women  .

"New to your town" is  a favourite on profiles in tbe East Midlands 

[winkywanky]

Or new in the town is what EE often say.

[standardpostage]

Mi gramme ma eis veri gud, eye yuse spelchek 

[Rochelle]

East Europeans have a predilection for saying gentlemens.

British girls often state that they are a women  .

Diabolical.

[Blackpool Rock]

There are so many profiles with bad spelling and grammar.

And the maths is even worse 

For most savvy punters who have been in the game for a while or read the threads on here what the article states is probably what they already know or suspect.
Can't believe that it actually needed a university study to come up with this though, could have just looked on here, University of life 

[signy]

There are so many profiles with bad spelling and grammar.

I have often thought that there should be money to be made correcting the English on AW profiles. After all, if University students have professional proofreaders, why not escorts (especially if they are also University students)?

[Nosser2]

And the maths is even worse 

For most savvy punters who have been in the game for a while or read the threads on here what the article states is probably what they already know or suspect.
Can't believe that it actually needed a university study to come up with this though, could have just looked on here, University of life 

Would be a good study to be involved in as a volunteer 'tester' to see if the ads are genuine or not.

You're right though, nothing shocking in what they have come up with and makes you wonder what they did after coffee break on the first morning of the study to justify the funding!

[Bonker]

Careful. Don't inadvertently give them clues on how to fake the profiles even more.

[LLPunting]

Complete bollocks.

Plenty of girls freely post ads that match those criteria, including explicit pics.

Plenty of "controlled" girls have profiles that have "respectable" glamour shots.

What they should have called out are profiles that are clearly written by groups/pimps/men/management and then go on to indicate how one differentiates between "honorable" agency (still pimps) and genuine traffickers.

So called research quotes the comments of the child of a so-called researcher enquiring why the work mum/dad was doing so late was so badly written and naughty.

[bhudda]

if bad spelling and grammar means you are trafficked then half the posters on this site have been (myself included no doubt)

[Steve2]

if bad spelling and grammar means you are trafficked then half the posters on this site have been (myself included no doubt)

Me too 

[LLPunting]

if bad spelling and grammar means you are trafficked then half the posters on this site have been (myself included no doubt)

Probably more.  I have no idea if I was really in London before the age of 5, I certainly can't remember crawling or taking first steps in my childhood home.

[HarryZZ]

"University study"!!

Jesus! Seriously, a 14 year old could have studied this for half an hour and come up with a similar conclusion.

[scutty brown]

Bad case of plagiarism. This guide was published in the USA years ago

[S.X. MacHine]

"University study"!!

Jesus! Seriously, a 14 year old could have studied this for half an hour and come up with a similar conclusion.

Exactly! That’s the standard in our ivory towers of learning nowadays. If you aspire to have half the population graduate, it’s inevitable that standards have to be lowered.

[magnetico]

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Got a link to the actual bullshit study? I won't register to read the article

[magnetico]

Bad case of plagiarism. This guide was published in the USA years ago

Got a link?

[Nosser2]

Got a link to the actual bullshit study? I won't register to read the article

The article doesn't give a link to the study, but I've taken a screenshot of a piece of the article that gives details.

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[magnetico]

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[tailsign01]

Interesting study highlighting a few pointers as to whether an advert for a SP may suggest she is a trafficking victim. Something all punters should be alive to as you could face prosecution if you get caught with such a victim, even if you didn't know she was trafficked.

Nothing on here that was that surprising to me, but useful to see some evidence for various risk factors. You have to register (for free) to see the full article, but I'll copy and paste the list of some of the main risk factors they identified.

Particularly explicit photographs (e.g. more explicit than other profiles);
Use of third person language in the advert, e.g. ‘she’/ ‘they’;
Poor use of language with spelling mistakes and broken English;
A lower price than expected relative to the local marketplace for sexual services;
A wide range of sexual services offered with seemingly no limits;
Being advertised as ‘in-calls only’ – suggesting lack of independence/autonomy and control of movement;
References to spas and massage parlours;
Indicators of recent arrival/movement e.g. ‘new in town’/’just arrived’.



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Thanks for this. I am paranoid about women who have been forced into sex work. It is why I am very hesitant about seeing eastern european women. I don't want a criminal record and more importantly I don't want to contribute to human misery.

[Marmalade]

And the maths is even worse 

For most savvy punters who have been in the game for a while or read the threads on here what the article states is probably what they already know or suspect.
Can't believe that it actually needed a university study to come up with this though, could have just looked on here, University of life 

What I find rather unfortunate — and perhaps the OP will correct me if I’m wrong — is that it sounds purely speculative. Did the researcher (on the other hand) publish statistical evidence correlating all ads against those subsequently prosecuted over trafficking? Or did he just sit down and think about it, throw in a few non-representative interviews, and give himself a pat on the back?

Many of the points sound believable. But what of the harm done to non-trafficked p4p that just tick all the boxes because it’s quick? If you’ve ever tried to fill in an AW profile it takes a ridiculous amount of fucking time and I think a lot of women, not all but a significant number, will simply not bother. (Compare dating sites: too-good-to-be-true photos, amazing personalities, sense of humour and likes going out and staying in. In other words, all boxes ticked and standard broad brush garbage complete with typos and sentences showing the high standard of schooling in Brixham or some other place popular for riots.)

I’d say the p4ps with the best written profiles are often the ones who have been doing it for more than a few years and have, if not a dusty phone, at least time on their hands to do it.

Anti-trafficking studies are maybe only just second to current coronavirus studies — somehow there’s money in the pot available for them even if they just regurgitate shite that is already known. There’s something quality analysis for published papers, conveniently by-passed by many journals and even some universities: it grades stuff by the level of evidence, for instance, sample size, structural flaws, and only then the applicability and significance of the findings. Most studies aren’t perfect: but far too many are worse: merely getting a name on a gravy train.

[Home Alone]

Thanks for this. I am paranoid about women who have been forced into sex work. It is why I am very hesitant about seeing eastern european women. I don't want a criminal record and more importantly I don't want to contribute to human misery.

Which is why any AW search I do excludes Romanians. It may not be foolproof, but at least it improves the odds of not seeing any Eastern European.

[Marmalade]

Exactly! That’s the standard in our ivory towers of learning nowadays. If you aspire to have half the population graduate, it’s inevitable that standards have to be lowered.

True. Plus:
Agenda driven.
Inbuilt bias.

Try doing a similar exercise with the aim of promoting the rights of non-trafficked sex-workers. They don’t give grants for that.

Imagine doing a similar exercise with different prejudices. Say policing or job interviewing. (Where you arrest more black men or hire less women.) You might find that skin colour or being female is part of your ‘matrix’.

Woke culture won’t let you do that. But it will let you do anything under the guise of anti-trafficking.

[Marmalade]

Which is why any AW search I do excludes Romanians. It may not be foolproof, but at least it improves the odds of not seeing any Eastern European.

Yeah it does. But as pointed out on the AW help page (see my posts on the Chrome add-on thread) it seems it also limits the search to those who have stated some country rather than left it blank.

I have three or four saved searches. The first is walking distance, 18-21, no Romanians. That gets so few hits I then try the next one which is 18-30, any nationality (and manually discard Romanians and several other countries).

[Home Alone]

Mmm, yeah, Marmalade; that's true. However, when I see any 'techie' threads, I  kinda mentally switch off from them. And I think I remember seeing a post from, probably, Kuck saying that his invention doesn't really work on mobiles which tend to be my main avenue to accessing Ukp.

Also, I search among the, erm 'more mature' SPs. And - I'm open to correction on this - to put it mildly,  I don't think there are significant numbers of Romanian SPs who are 35+!

[Marmalade]

I think a programmer has to have a responsibility which he seems to be taking quite seriously and doing a great job. Doesn't mean we can't wave a likes list in the air but I'm pleased he has a professional attitude.

Regarding crap surveys:
Let's not forget that the very term trafficked utilizes the difference between its definition in practice and the public perception of its meaning. The law is a tangled mess. A documentary a while ago showed how many women are voluntarily 'trafficked' – which is a contradiction in terms to the average person but vastly inflates the figures. Many Romanians, like farm workers, are seasonal. They come back again and again. Their English is rubbish and they pay Sergei to write the profiles.

This article is worth a look:

Liz Kelly and Linda Regan of the University of North London attempted to estimate the number of women brought into the UK for sex in 1998 by surveying reports filed with police forces. The number they came up with was 71.

The number included not only women who were trafficked against their will, but also women who willingly arrived – perhaps illegally - to the UK for sex work. In other words, Kelly and Regan’s total included both willing and unwilling sex migrants.

Part of the problem is how different groups define “trafficked”. To many, the assumption was that if someone was not British and working in the sex trade, she must be trafficked. That’s quite a leap in logic.
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One recalls a fairly recent coronavirus cluster in England, Bradford or somewhere, linked to migrants working at slave labour rates. They were factory workers: not prostitutes.

[maxxblue]

Which is why any AW search I do excludes Romanians. It may not be foolproof, but at least it improves the odds of not seeing any Eastern European.

Why not do AW searches excluding Eastern Europeans instead? That way, you can improve the odds of not seeing any Eastern Europeans.

 

[GingerNuts]

Why not do AW searches excluding Eastern Europeans instead? That way, you can improve the odds of not seeing any Eastern Europeans.

 

You can only search excluding one nationality.

[maxxblue]

You can only search excluding one nationality.

I know.

But if he wants to exclude Eastern Europeans, he can do more than one search.

Sorted. 

[GingerNuts]

I know.

But if he wants to exclude Eastern Europeans, he can do more than one search.

Sorted. 

Lets say there are 10 countries he'd like to exclude. He'd have to do 10 searches and every search result would still include girls from the nine countries he hadn't excluded.

What's he going to do with that?

[king tarzan]

East Europeans have a predilection for saying gentlemens.

British girls often state that they are a women  .

Classy.. well educated..sophisticated...highly intelligent...

[winkywanky]

Classy.. well educated..sophisticated...highly intelligent...

So long as she does O Levels and A levels I'm happy (even if she only took GCSEs or a Baccalaureat)

[bops909]

Careful. Don't inadvertently give them clues on how to fake the profiles even more.

This.

Please don't.

I have noticed the touts' tactics are changing and it is getting harder to prove a fake or identify really old photos being used than it used to be.

You can sense it's not right but then to prove it is another thing.

[LLPunting]

So long as she does O Levels and A levels I'm happy (even if she only took GCSEs or a Baccalaureat)

Would that be a genuine Bac or an iBac you cosmopolitan dandy?