Musings on morality...

[Charliehutton]

As the Metropolitan illuminati are enjoying their snort of cocaine they don't give a thought to what was left in the wake of it getting there. They're just having fun, and it's their choice. Where's the harm in it! That other world of cartels, murder, corruption, trafficking, gang wars and knife crime are nothing to do with them.

It's a bit like when I'm on a punt. How that young woman's life has reached the point where she's selling herself at £60 a pop in some grubby provincial knocking shop is not my concern. This is just a business transaction between two consenting adults, that's all. I get the fun and pleasure that I want, and she gets the money that she wants. Everyone's a winner. Where's the harm in it! That other world of exploitation, abuse, pimping and people trafficking is nothing to do with me.

So where does that leave us in the great moral maze? Dunno. I really don't know.

I just wondered if anyone else had these occasional, unwelcome attacks of morality. I can't talk about this stuff in real life.

[Happyjose]

Personally, I try to avoid touring Roms and similar, and tend to book mature Brits. There are no guarantees that a prossie is truly independent though, and even if they are many would argue that it's still exploitation

But if I was being honest, the main reason I wouldn't bother with touring Roms is that they're likely to be shit

Fortunately, most people can compartmentalise and get on with their lives. Only you can decide what's acceptable for you

At the end of the day I like fucking whores and I can live with that

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[nigel4498]

At the end of the day I like fucking whores and I can live with that

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Couldn't have put it better myself.

[cueball]

At the end of the day I like fucking whores and I can live with that

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This ^^^^


If i had a morality attack and stopped podging prossies, would the prossies stop?... No

I'm not stopping but if i did it wouldn't be morals that stopped me... It would be prices or being fed up with the pissing about.

[brandonpete]

It's just sex,that's all...sex for money and for me the excitement,the trepidation,collectively the Buzz.....a bit like horse racing some you win (positive),some get placed (Neutral)some you lose(negative) and some are just shit (generally ROM's in Coventry).

[Blackpool Rock]

One persons morals are not the same as anothers on a wide range of issues however i'm sure we would all agree that avoiding a girl who you believe may have been forced; coerced or trafficked etc would morally be the right thing to do.
After that so long as i'm punting a girl who does it by free choice then I have no moral pangs of guilt as it's her decision, the fact she may not enjoy or be happy doing it isn't to be blunt my problem and ultimately she has a choice whether to carry on at £120/hr or get a shitty job at Tesco stacking shelves for minimum wage, them's the breaks I guess 

[conrod]

My approach is if it their choice, I don't have a problem with the morality.

My concerns are often to do with girls that have been coerced into doing it.  Therefore I avoid EE's, massage parlours and street walkers and go for the independents. 

[HarryZZ]

I've sometimes consider that they must be pretty fucked up doing what they're doing, but as a married man so must I, I wonder if they ever have "normal" sex maybe now or sometime in the future, will this put them off men, will they ever want just a casual shag with a partner in the future, will they ever marry, have kids, will they have concerns about their potential husband or partner cheating on her like the majority of her clients were doing, will a potential future partner know or care about her previous work?

I think lots of things although not usually when I'm paying, I have other things on my mind then, and although I've come across a few that don't see to be totally in to what I'm paying them to do, probably the way most of us feel about our own work, I've never had the slightest inclination that any of them were actually there against their will, even that they'd fallen on hard times and needed to do this to get some money in but would never do it otherwise.

All my thoughts though are filtered through my mind, judged by my morals, but even without prostitution people behave differently, cheating, side chicks, fuck buddies, open relationships, cuckolding, just normal people probably people we know, it's not like we're all perfect and prossies are just skanky whores, they're not it's all part of a spectrum and all equally valid as a way of life

[ShadowProclamation]

For years, the drive to punt was driven by testosterone. Now that my libido has started to decline, I think my moral core has started to kick in more. I find myself having to switch it off for a punt, otherwise it gets in the way. So long as I believe it is the choice of the SP, then I don't have too much of a conscience about it. We are both getting something out of the arrangement.

[tailspin]

I had a bit of a morality crisis a couple of months ago, triggered, somewhat ironically, by a post shag chat with a WG.  She had seen some documentary about EE girls brought into the UK and forced into sex work, and she was pretty angry and upset about it.  It made me consider whether I was part of the problem. I decided I was not; I stick to british WGs, and have never even considered EEs.  I can't be sure there is no coercion, but I am careful in my choices.

If I took the moral stand to stop punting, would it make a jot of difference to the poor abused girls?  The only person affected would be me.  That's my rationalisation of the matter.

[Malvolio]

Bear in mind it's illegal to use cocaine; it's not illegal to use WGs.

[s0whatsnew?]

I try to rationalize away my moral responsibilities by thinking i can only take responsibility for what i'm personally involved with.  (already dodging a huge amount there but what can you do)   Ironically, then, i potentially take responsibility more if i'm seeing a coerced girl than by avoiding that situation.   What i do with that responsibility is another question.

Can do anything with words, can't you.  But yes, its a nasty problem.

[django0700]

At the end of the day I like fucking whores and I can live with that

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Agreed 

[Jas1975]

If the woman is not forced then it does not seem a problem to me - it is a business transaction, they are selling something we are buying.

[Payyourwaymate]

If you want to go on a moral high horse you will end up depressed quickly if you look far enough. Life ain't fair, it is what it is. Sorry to sound harsh and not empathetic, but you can only do what you can. 

[brandonpete]

An old saying from an old punter.." A standing prick has no conscience".

[Ipman1973]

morality

/məˈralɪti/

noun

principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.

"the matter boiled down to simple morality: innocent prisoners ought to be freed"

synonyms:ethics, rights and wrongs, 

My ex would deny my occupation in company and over the years
Several people have questioned my morality , "How can you sleep at night" etc, but I don't break any laws and pay my taxes.( and divorce settlement)

 Do what you do and do what you do do well. 

[Blackpool Rock]

My ex would deny my occupation in company and over the years
Several people have questioned my morality , "How can you sleep at night" etc

I fucking hate traffic wardens 

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[Ipman1973]

I fucking hate traffic wardens 

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[king tarzan]

If a woman ends up in debt due to her own stupidity and finds the escorting route a way to earn quick big cash then that is her problem not mine..
She might have a bad attitude due the financial mess she is in, again that's her problem not mine..
For my money I require a good GFE great attitude service..
Not my moral problem that her financial situation made us get together for payment sex in a room..
Just an example..

[RedKettle]

This is quite a complex area that you can quickly overthink, I certainly have at times.

Most UKP members seem clear about girls that are being forced or trafficked, although we have concerns over identifying them.  I tend to hope that this is not a problem for me as most of the women I see are British or have lived here a while and speak good English.  I still feel some concern over a late night punt in London a year or so ago after a few beers which is unusual for me, with an EE girl with very poor English.  I hope she was willingly in the game.

However free choice is a funny thing.  Despite what many of them say about enjoying the sex and meeting new people etc etc all but the most naive of us will know that they are doing it for the money. Is that as someone above said on a par with the choice to stack shelves at Tesco or is there some deeper desperation there?

I have decided to take the view that it is a career choice like any other and if they chose to do it then there is no problem with me paying them for sex. Indeed I like to think that I am a good client for them, I am clean, respectful and fairly undemanding in what I want. My sex stud years being many many years behind me.

But there are times that I have my doubts.

Looking at the other extreme this was why I had a problem with the aid workers in a disaster zone paying for sex with local girls.  That is potentially too exploitative for me.  However many on here argued strongly that it was ok.

[justdesserts]

For this reason I never book EE women (as well as the fact that it is now an offence to pay for the sexual services of a prostitute subjected to force etc.) - I just wont risk it.
I only ever punt with independant British women. Whilst this doesn't always guarantee that they have never been coerced in any way in the past I find you can usually tell the ones who are trully independant.
I have got to know a couple of regulars pretty well in the past and it is clear they were doing it for a variety of reasons, however they were certainly not exploited in any way.
The bottom line (no pun intended) was that this was a business decision as where else could they earn £100-£150 per hour - I wish I was on that sort of money!!

[peter purves]

This is quite a complex area that you can quickly overthink, I certainly have at times.

Most UKP members seem clear about girls that are being forced or trafficked, although we have concerns over identifying them.  I tend to hope that this is not a problem for me as most of the women I see are British or have lived here a while and speak good English.  I still feel some concern over a late night punt in London a year or so ago after a few beers which is unusual for me, with an EE girl with very poor English.  I hope she was willingly in the game.

However free choice is a funny thing.  Despite what many of them say about enjoying the sex and meeting new people etc etc all but the most naive of us will know that they are doing it for the money. Is that as someone above said on a par with the choice to stack shelves at Tesco or is there some deeper desperation there?

I have decided to take the view that it is a career choice like any other and if they chose to do it then there is no problem with me paying them for sex. Indeed I like to think that I am a good client for them, I am clean, respectful and fairly undemanding in what I want. My sex stud years being many many years behind me.

But there are times that I have my doubts.

Looking at the other extreme this was why I had a problem with the aid workers in a disaster zone paying for sex with local girls.  That is potentially too exploitative for me.  However many on here argued strongly that it was ok.

Not having a go at you personally, since this was a theme on PN also.

What is wrong with stacking shelves at supermarkets and why the reference to this particular job vis-a-vis what many are viewing as the plight of WGs (ie the narrative no 'normal' woman would choose this pursuit as a career).

Moving it along. I think Cognitive Dissonance has a huge role to play. Punters cannot entertain morality, otherwise they will be thinking about their partners/wives, the WGs etc and this would create great internal conflict leaving one of two choices:

1. To ignore the morality side and keep punting 

or

2. Give it up altogether 

[king tarzan]

For this reason I never book EE women (as well as the fact that it is now an offence to pay for the sexual services of a prostitute subjected to force etc.) - I just wont risk it.
I only ever punt with independant British women. Whilst this doesn't always guarantee that they have never been coerced in any way in the past I find you can usually tell the ones who are trully independant.
I have got to know a couple of regulars pretty well in the past and it is clear they were doing it for a variety of reasons, however they were certainly not exploited in any way.
The bottom line (no pun intended) was that this was a business decision as where else could they earn £100-£150 per hour - I wish I was on that sort of money!!

there is only handful that the £100p/h + or whatever applies concurrently day after day after day and week after week and so forth..
the rest might get busy might not.. have hours and hours gaps in between earning nothing, and then get someone for that £100 p/h +....

[mr.bluesky]

If the woman is not forced then it does not seem a problem to me - it is a business transaction, they are selling something we are buying.

Couldn't put it any better myself. They are offering a service, your buying that service. As long as they are doing it voluntarily whats the problem.

[threechilliman]

I don't have morals, so no issue for me.

[RedKettle]

Not having a go at you personally, since this was a theme on PN also.

What is wrong with stacking shelves at supermarkets and why the reference to this particular job vis-a-vis what many are viewing as the plight of WGs (ie the narrative no 'normal' woman would choose this pursuit as a career).

Moving it along. I think Cognitive Dissonance has a huge role to play. Punters cannot entertain morality, otherwise they will be thinking about their partners/wives, the WGs etc and this would create great internal conflict leaving one of two choices:

1. To ignore the morality side and keep punting 

or

2. Give it up altogether 

Generally the stacking shelves example is used as shorthand for a boring minimum wage job. It is not judgemental.

I do not think there is a link between the question of morality if you are in a relationship and that of whether a WG is truly willing. Separate points and we have discussed the married point at length on here. At the end of the day we each make our own choices and I am comfortable with mine.

[Bogof60]

This is quite a complex area that you can quickly overthink, I certainly have at times.

Most UKP members seem clear about girls that are being forced or trafficked, although we have concerns over identifying them.  I tend to hope that this is not a problem for me as most of the women I see are British or have lived here a while and speak good English.  I still feel some concern over a late night punt in London a year or so ago after a few beers which is unusual for me, with an EE girl with very poor English.  I hope she was willingly in the game.

However free choice is a funny thing.  Despite what many of them say about enjoying the sex and meeting new people etc etc all but the most naive of us will know that they are doing it for the money. Is that as someone above said on a par with the choice to stack shelves at Tesco or is there some deeper desperation there?

I have decided to take the view that it is a career choice like any other and if they chose to do it then there is no problem with me paying them for sex. Indeed I like to think that I am a good client for them, I am clean, respectful and fairly undemanding in what I want. My sex stud years being many many years behind me.

But there are times that I have my doubts.

Looking at the other extreme this was why I had a problem with the aid workers in a disaster zone paying for sex with local girls.  That is potentially too exploitative for me.  However many on here argued strongly that it was ok.

I can agree with that RK

[Bogof60]

Generally the stacking shelves example is used as shorthand for a boring minimum wage job. It is not judgemental.

I do not think there is a link between the question of morality if you are in a relationship and that of whether a WG is truly willing. Separate points and we have discussed the married point at length on here. At the end of the day we each make our own choices and I am comfortable with mine.

And that. 

I would hate to think that any WG I booked was doing it by force and in my short punting career I don't think I have come across any I have ever thought were doing so.
Even the shitty service Roms that I have seen seem to be doing it at their own free will and just want to get one over on the punter as in " use my pussy. Cum and go".
The vast majority of the WG's I have been with seem to be doing it willingly, not because they fancy me but because I am paying them and turn up clean and I am respectful when I am in the room with them.
Many actually make it a fun experience and have a laugh and a joke with me when I am with them.
Then there are many that actually give the impression ( yes great actresses I know) that they are actually enjoying being paid to fuck me.
Yes I have actually thought about the morality of visiting WG's but as long as I think they are not being forced to do this and are doing it for the lure of a pretty good hourly rate then my conscience is clear.
Well fairly anyway