Punting in 2020?!

[tobyk1]

What does the UK Escorting scene hold in 2020?!

The past couple of years have already seen a massive change in the UK scene... increase in cheap/sub-standards SPs... decrease in South American/high quality Brazilians .... more and more EEs and Romanians... continual overpriced agencies in/around London.... punting desserts elsewhere in the country.

What changes can we expect in 2020? Given BREXIT... the tightening of boarders .... the weakening of the £Pound.. and evolution of FKKs, Spas, and the Internet as a whole.

Many many South American’s are already opting for mainland Europe locations such as Madrid & Barcelona due to the easier visa requirements and better weather. After BREXIT, will more Romanians realise they’re better off working in the FKKs in Germany opposed to England? Or even back to good-old Amsterdam. Will we see even less south-east Asian SPs? And will AW continue to monoploise the scene or can there be a better platform around the corner?

As long as demand continues, you’d assume the supply would follow. Personally I’m hoping that post-BREXIT some new visa provisions are introduced to ex-EU countries like Thailand, Colombia, Venezuela, the US, Mexico; so we can receive some fresh flavour. But one can only hope.

Discuss 

[samsmith_1231]

The best punting years of 2010 to 2015 are over. Don’t think we’ll ever see the quality of women like we had between these years.

Let’s hope the quality of women improve this year

[grandaddybadman]

punting is going down hill mostly because of the internet.

hot girls can simply make money from things like:

onlyfans
webcam
dominatrix
snapchat premium
selling video clips or custom vids (manyvids)
sexting
dick rating
phone sex
selling used underwear
ASMR
giving sex advice on youtube
instagram

all of these revenue streams are way more easier work that escorting plus they don't have to worry about:

safety
verbal abuse
physical abuse
health risks
threats
constant showering
constant washing sheets
logistics
booking hotels
dealing with no shows
having punters who fall in love
stalkers
possibly falling in love with punters
stigma

Escorting just isn't worth the hassle these days especially for a escort with good looks.
most punters can only afford £100 - 200 a shot that's too much men to go through to be able to live good in london.

[poundstock]

I note the pessimism but I think there is enough quality out there to keep me interested. I have the time to do the research and with the help of UKP reviews I enjoyed a great 2019.

[Chorley]

I'm probably going to cut back in 2020 due to wanting to spend money on other things and the generally poor selection and service available ATM.

[Hansolo69]

If you notice the number of neutral and negative punting reviews on the forums, and compare that to the increasing number of massage reviews it seems more guys are settling for a sensual massage.

Punting is so hit and miss now, unless you find a real good provider.
Mind you I know guys don't like to see the same provider again and again.

[Jonestown]

This is a perennial topic, Jesus and John the Baptist no doubt used to sit down and chew the fat over the declining standard of harlots presenting themselves for redemption. Personally I think things are a million times better than when I started out, more expensive yes, but then so is everything else. I find that just when you think everything has gone to ratshit in punterland a little hottie comes along and resets your expectations. Nevermind, come rain or shine, we will soldier on, the eternal search for a bit of strange.

[Payyourwaymate]

punting is going down hill mostly because of the internet.

hot girls can simply make money from things like:

onlyfans
webcam
dominatrix
snapchat premium
selling video clips or custom vids (manyvids)
sexting
dick rating
phone sex
selling used underwear
ASMR
giving sex advice on youtube
instagram

all of these revenue streams are way more easier work that escorting plus they don't have to worry about:

safety
verbal abuse
physical abuse
health risks
threats
constant showering
constant washing sheets
logistics
booking hotels
dealing with no shows
having punters who fall in love
stalkers
possibly falling in love with punters
stigma

Escorting just isn't worth the hassle these days especially for a escort with good looks.
most punters can only afford £100 - 200 a shot that's too much men to go through to be able to live good in london.

+1. The gold rush of whoring on the net I think will slowly go down though. I remember back in 2016-2017 times girls/couples on snapchat were making thousands weekly and on cams aswell, but as the cam market has become saturated, the earning potential has been dropping ever since. How will a cam girl in the western world compete with camgirls from Russia, South America and other countries where there is less economic opportunities for normal work where they will do more for less. There has been a slight resurgence in earning potential with Onlyfans but only the top girls that do porn/large instagram following and have a wider fan base make serious money like Aaliyah Hadid does. Even then to make top dollar they would have to constantly put out content and really engage with their audience...really literally sell themselves to the fans online. I suspect overtime the earning capacity will be no different from a decently paid job as the supply of girls balances out the demand of paying men.  I think there is a chance that eventually, once earning capacity is suppressed by the sheer number of girls online outstripping the amount of men with money to pay, they will go back to selling sex physically/doing online stuff aswell. This is unless men become even worse in their simping behaviour and throw everything they have at a girl prepared to fake smile at them online through a camera  . 

I'm sure online there's many men prepared to throw out chicken change like £5-20 for a couple minutes, but how many will throw thousands online at a time?. I've said many times before, men with money are hard to find, even harder to physically access when they are found. This is why I think selling sex online is harder for the girls that cannot adjust their business model to appeal to a mass audience. They won't make shit if they cannot entertain and really sell the illusion... many girls have sex online and try to sell it, just go on pornhub and look at verified amateurs. They really think just showing skin, clickbait titles, giving a bit of dead head to a dildo or their boyfriend and having sex with poor lighting, poor camera angles and no themes will really have them raking in the monies  . How many really make money? Very few. I've followed US girls/couples try to do it for awhile through pornhub and then they stop, or they escort aswell as do online.

Cam girls get verbal abuse too and get trolled into doing mad shit for tokens, not sure about onlyfans. Good luck to a girl that runs into a guy that's savvy enough to trace them online to find out who they really are lol.

I think long term there will be WGs selling sex still operating and girls selling sex through cams and other indirect means not requiring being touched physically but the earning potential will drop, it may be a race to the bottom for the majority. Punting will not die, the entry price may rise though to get access to the extremely attractive girls that capitalize on their "rarity". This is all conjecture though, it could really go anywhere  .   

[grandaddybadman]

+1. The gold rush of whoring on the net I think will slowly go down though. I remember back in 2016-2017 times girls/couples on snapchat were making thousands weekly and on cams aswell, but as the cam market has become saturated, the earning potential has been dropping ever since. How will a cam girl in the western world compete with camgirls from Russia, South America and other countries where there is less economic opportunities for normal work where they will do more for less. There has been a slight resurgence in earning potential with Onlyfans but only the top girls that do porn/large instagram following and have a wider fan base make serious money like Aaliyah Hadid does. Even then to make top dollar they would have to constantly put out content and really engage with their audience...really literally sell themselves to the fans online. I suspect overtime the earning capacity will be no different from a decently paid job as the supply of girls balances out the demand of paying men.  I think there is a chance that eventually, once earning capacity is suppressed by the sheer number of girls online outstripping the amount of men with money to pay, they will go back to selling sex physically/doing online stuff aswell. This is unless men become even worse in their simping behaviour and throw everything they have at a girl prepared to fake smile at them online through a camera  . 

I'm sure online there's many men prepared to throw out chicken change like £5-20 for a couple minutes, but how many will throw thousands online at a time?. I've said many times before, men with money are hard to find, even harder to physically access when they are found. This is why I think selling sex online is harder for the girls that cannot adjust their business model to appeal to a mass audience. They won't make shit if they cannot entertain and really sell the illusion... many girls have sex online and try to sell it, just go on pornhub and look at verified amateurs. They really think just showing skin, clickbait titles, giving a bit of dead head to a dildo or their boyfriend and having sex with poor lighting, poor camera angles and no themes will really have them raking in the monies  . How many really make money? Very few. I've followed US girls/couples try to do it for awhile through pornhub and then they stop, or they escort aswell as do online.

Cam girls get verbal abuse too and get trolled into doing mad shit for tokens, not sure about onlyfans. Good luck to a girl that runs into a guy that's savvy enough to trace them online to find out who they really are lol.

I think long term there will be WGs selling sex still operating and girls selling sex through cams and other indirect means not requiring being touched physically but the earning potential will drop, it may be a race to the bottom for the majority. Punting will not die, the entry price may rise though to get access to the extremely attractive girls that capitalize on their "rarity". This is all conjecture though, it could really go anywhere  .   

Great analysis. I guess i overestimated their options and marketing potental.

[HERTSBLUE]

Falling in love with punters 

[joe diddley]

We will see less women from EU countries (e.g. Poland, Hungary and Romania) arriving or staying (as they head instead for Gernany) and, with the continuing demand for cheap labour in our service industries more generally, a concomitant growth in the number of often more "exotic" arrivals from non-EU countries with other kinds of visa. 

[simon07]

Lighten up guys, there will always be the good un's from adultworks, less so with parlours (die hard milfs) and viva street is Russian roulette. Giving feedback by members is the key.

[oap69]

The best punting years of 2010 to 2015 are over. Don’t think we’ll ever see the quality of women like we had between these years.

Let’s hope the quality of women improve this year

Agree.  The SP rates have increased a lot since then and seem to be increasing, so possibly more punters might go down the cheaper Chinese/Thai massage parlour route or cam2cam to get the same end result.

[cotton]

punting is going down hill mostly because of the internet.

hot girls can simply make money from things like:

onlyfans
<>
possibly falling in love with punters
stigma

Escorting just isn't worth the hassle these days especially for a escort with good looks.
most punters can only afford £100 - 200 a shot that's too much men to go through to be able to live good in london.

Yeh good post. It does make you think that the girls who do resort to escorting are the ones without the faculty to do anything else or influenced by others to do it.
My impression of onlyfans/manyvids is hard work and the earning potential is limited , at least without putting in alot of work and also being naturally appealing, ive seen girls setting monthly goals of $100 and less on associated twitter accounts.
From a punter pov is it worth paying £100 to £200 for a hit and miss encounter for some pussy , personally i dont think so, thats probably why people are looking at other avenues of finding regular english chiks who dont have their heads in the clouds and smoke up their asses and a seeming belief that they are somehow worth £200 an hour .

[webpunter]

When i first started on UKP nearly 6 years massage ago reviews were virtually non existent
Mention it & the responses were at best piss taking
From the die hard supposed shag monsters trying to get the most from the cheapest burd, to not a lot of success
Times change
With off-topic gorne, UKP has refocused itself
Deffo crystal ball stuff, as for starters this killed opportunities for interested people to criticise / attack UKP
At the same time more focus & less distractions on here
The off-topic 'kings' have become like dinosaurs pretty much
As for 2020 opportunity awaits
'Still rising' as Lewis would put it

If you notice the number of neutral and negative punting reviews on the forums, and compare that to the increasing number of massage reviews it seems more guys are settling for a sensual massage.

[Chorley]

When i first started on UKP nearly 6 years massage ago reviews were virtually non existent
Mention it & the responses were at best piss taking
From the die hard supposed shag monsters trying to get the most from the cheapest burd, to not a lot of success
Times change
With off-topic gorne, UKP has refocused itself
Deffo crystal ball stuff, as for starters this killed opportunities for interested people to criticise / attack UKP
At the same time more focus & less distractions on here
The off-topic 'kings' have become like dinosaurs pretty much
As for 2020 opportunity awaits
'Still rising' as Lewis would put it

And it's all the better  for it on here,  IMHO.   

[Beamer]

When i first started on UKP nearly 6 years massage ago reviews were virtually non existent
Mention it & the responses were at best piss taking
From the die hard supposed shag monsters trying to get the most from the cheapest burd, to not a lot of success
Times change
With off-topic gorne, UKP has refocused itself
Deffo crystal ball stuff, as for starters this killed opportunities for interested people to criticise / attack UKP
At the same time more focus & less distractions on here
The off-topic 'kings' have become like dinosaurs pretty much
As for 2020 opportunity awaits
'Still rising' as Lewis would put it

With discussions and reviews of SP's on here now prevalent it has improved the value of the site so much.

[Chorley]

With discussions and reviews of SP's on here now prevalent it has improved the value of the site so much.

Definitely! A punting site site is NOT the place to whinge about Brexit - regardless of which side you're in- or just generally be a racist, xenophobic Alf Garnett wannabe on every sodding topic.

[workinallweek]

 Well for what its worth  my opinion ;

 Some of the girls i have seen want to go and work in the city (London) . They think they can charge £180 an hour, but when you actually explain (if they listen) that the cost of accomodation etc eats into that £180 quite considerably  and its the equivalent of £150 outside london some of them think .

Some areas will be oversubscibed with girls which will force prices down  . i can spend 50 mins on a train to pay £180 an hour in London or 40 mins in a car in the opposite direction for £120 for a relaxed hour (normally nearer 90 mins )  guess where im going next week ?
The young girls coming into the industry think they are the next super porn model and are deluded into thinking they are worth loads of money (one girl asking 3 grand for each girl for a 4 man 3 hour gang bang with 3 girls ) .
I think that the prices are really out of hand and there will be some dusty phones in the south east at least

[Home Alone]

If you notice the number of neutral and negative punting reviews on the forums, and compare that to the increasing number of massage reviews it seems more guys are settling for a sensual massage.

Punting is so hit and miss now, unless you find a real good provider.
Mind you I know guys don't like to see the same provider again and again.

Interesting to hear views on this topic. In many spheres of life, when we look back, we do so to what we perceive as a better era and while I'm still a happy punter, this thread has challenged some of my fixed views.

I write as one who only punts for a Full service and who gets a bit hacked off when doing a search on AW listed in order of price to find so many Massage only - or Massage with Happy Ending - providers shown. In the past, I can remember at least one thread on here with suggested improvements for AW - mine would be to have a completely different page for Masseuses who don't - or say they don't - deliver a Full Service.

Anyway - as so often - I digress! I'm also one who only looks for a British MILF Full Service provider within fairly easy travelling distance of home and, so far, I've been able to find enough of them to satisfy my diminishing libido. So punting's still okay for me and I guess that the niche in the market where I 'shop' will always have some service providers. So, for as long as I feel up to having a shag once or twice a month, I reckon  I'll be able to find a woman who meets my needs.

By the time I go for my last repeat prescription of Tadalofil though - hopefully not for a year or two yet - I'm not so sure., though.

[Gordon Bennett]

I feel that their rates have got too high, more than I'm comfortable with paying. 3 or 4 years ago the sort of ladies I like were around the £100 mark but today they seem to be around the £150 mark. That's too big a jump and makes me disinclined to visit escorts in 2020. I completely accept that they are entitled to charge what they like but I'd be surprised if I had more than 4 or 5 punts this year.
I suspect that fresh-faced excited new punters will come along in 2020 and just accept that £150 is the norm or the going rate and happily stump up. So, jaded cheesed-off punters with a few years under their belt will drift away but horny new punters will come on the scene to replace them.
One thing, it's not about affordability. I'm part of that older mortgage-free generation awash with cash, the grey £pound army. I could punt every day without batting an eyelid. But, I still have a sense of value for money and given a choice of paying for escorts or helping my kids set up home and supporting my nephews and nieces through uni I now choose the latter for the most part...... I actually feel better about myself in the long run that way. Isn't that what it's all about...... our personal well-being?

[HarryZZ]

I usually disregard any post that finishes "Discuss" or "Go" If you've got anything to say just say it, don't hide behind the idea that you're only seeking opinion, grow some balls and give us yours FFS.

Anybody that thinks the demise of the sex trade is imminent is clueless, the oldest profession is just that because it provides a needed service, Adam and Eve putting clothes on wasn't t the end of it, Ruben's paintings wasn't the end of it, the telephone wasn't the end of it, porn magazines, sex cinemas, phone box cards, peep shows, contact magazines, internet porn, VHS, DVD, Phone sex lines, sex dolls, 3d sex, virtual reality sex. We may access it a different way, from paintings on the walls of Pompeii brothels to free videos on AW and beyond but it's still going to be there, there'll always be somebody trying to cream bit off the top for little work but at the end of the day the transaction is (usually) between a man and a woman and carried out in private, and it'll still be happening when we're all turned to dust.

[MME]

Looking back on punting is like viewing the past through rose coloured testicles (I'll get my coat..).

Looking forward? Well, I'm up in the North East (ie: waaay past Watford, way way past, right in the nether regions of the UK outback). We seem to benefit from a pretty much vibrant punting scene and have a decent few areas listed in AW that provide plenty of choice.

As per the rest of the site, the Roms get a bad press and rightly so in most cases I've seen. I can see that changing a little as we progress more though our Brexshit transition. I think lower skilled jobs will be harder to walk into and more skilled places a little easier - could we possibly be seeing higher qualified WGs in our region?

Who knows, what I do know is I'll be out there sampling the best the North East can offer, 'hold onto your britches bitches' 

[tobyk1]

I usually disregard any post that finishes "Discuss" or "Go" If you've got anything to say just say it, don't hide behind the idea that you're only seeking opinion, grow some balls and give us yours FFS.

Ermm, clearly gave my opinion earlier in the post. Maybe read first? Ta.

[poundstock]

There are hundreds of positive reviews on UK Punting. Are we questioning the value of these reviews.? There’s enough out there to keep me very happy.

[Malvolio]

It'll be much as it's been for the last few years.  I actually think the pound will start to rise once Brexit and the EU trade deal is sorted, and the supply of EE WGs will continue.

[willie loman]

While there are cheap flights, and easy to find appartments, thanks Airbnb, there will be plenty of girls from everywhere trying to make money, the main problem for the sex industry , is the limited no of men prepared to punt at least once a week.

[chadpitt]

It'll be much as it's been for the last few years.  I actually think the pound will start to rise once Brexit and the EU trade deal is sorted, and the supply of EE WGs will continue.

Why would WGs bother coming here. When they could go to neighbouring countries without all those border checks.

The pound isn't going to recover to pre-Brexit levels any time soon.

Not unless the EU itself goes belly up.

[tobyk1]

I’m going to talk specifically to Latinas/South Americans/exotic imports outside of Europe. I think the 1 thing keeping the super-hotties to continue to travel here is the prices that can be charged as an independent, and perhaps the lure of a London lifestyle/tourist attractions.

Elsewhere in Western Europe (Amsterdam, Berlin, Madrid, Barca), there is a little less to be made p/h. It really is a conundrum though, as rental prices in Ldn are high; and the likes of Monaco and Marbella have easier visa entry and better weather. I found Spain in 2018/2019 to be swarming with SPs from Venezuela, Brasil, Peru, Chile etc.  My experiences in Eastern Europe (namely Hungary, Romania, Czech, Ukraine) have been minimal South American/genuine Latin SPs. Germany to be quite few, and London to be slightly above average. 

Agreed that the state of the nation is still strong, there are good WGs to be found, you may just need to travel a little. This website certainly adds tremendous value to our ventures and helps everyone to potentially save precious punting time & money 

[millbush]

This sort of thread is bound to show a negative bias as those of us that can afford what is evidently higher rates these days(I've no idea what they were 5 or even 2 years ago).
It's simple market forces there must be plenty of people that can still afford £150 instead of £100 ph and a girl can discard a third of her business and still earn the same.
Lighten up.

[Moby Dick]

This sort of thread is bound to show a negative bias as those of us that can afford what is evidently higher rates these days(I've no idea what they were 5 or even 2 years ago).
It's simple market forces there must be plenty of people that can still afford £150 instead of £100 ph and a girl can discard a third of her business and still earn the same.
Lighten up.

Lighten up!!!
Prices have increased from £120 to £200/hr in the past few years because “people can afford to pay.”
There’s plenty of threads / posts about this in the northwest.
All it takes is one or two lasses to increase their price (in some cases by £50/hr) and if “I’m alright jack” elitist twats pay without looking for better value for money options then this becomes attainable and other lasses notice and then follow suit.

Pussy inflation.

It’s not about what you can afford, it’s about punting responsibly, doing your homework and not paying over the odds. It is not the ethos of UKP to drive prices up! A point so many posters don’t follow with all their fluffy comments over praising the WG inviting price increases.

[tobyk1]

It’s not about what you can afford, it’s about punting responsibly, doing your homework and not paying over the odds.

Here-here! Well put.

[simon07]

It is market forces. Seen some English gals increased rates from £130/hr to £200/hr or even £250/hr!   
It works both ways, if they can find punters able and willing to pay, good luck to them. I think dusty phones will change this.

I will be mindful and try and find punts below £150/hr and esp. £120/hr. wherever possible.
Only if as a group we all do the same, we can push the prices in the right direction for us?

[Chorley]

This sort of thread is bound to show a negative bias as those of us that can afford what is evidently higher rates these days(I've no idea what they were 5 or even 2 years ago).
It's simple market forces there must be plenty of people that can still afford £150 instead of £100 ph and a girl can discard a third of her business and still earn the same.
Lighten up.

So basically as long as your OK, fuck everyone else?

[Moby Dick]

It is market forces. Seen some English gals increased rates from £130/hr to £200/hr or even £250/hr!   
It works both ways, if they can find punters able and willing to pay, good luck to them. I think dusty phones will change this.

I will be mindful and try and find punts below £150/hr and esp. £120/hr. wherever possible.
Only if as a group we all do the same, we can push the prices in the right direction for us?

 

It’s about educating the punter so that we decide the market price. Don’t let your cock do the thinking. The WG will exploit this weakness. In most industries the buyer has the power.

On joining UKP there should be some sort of induction or initiation process where after “training” you can become a member and swear to agree to the rules and ethos of the site.
I think there are so many new members that just wanna take, and think contribution is praising the WG with fluffy reviews.

[workinallweek]

 
 Just to add an idea ...

I see a girl in Yorkshire who isnt on AW but has a following from previous adverts on Viva or whatever  and she works a couple of bars . She meets you not the other way around  .
She charges £120 an hour  to come back to your hotel (minimum 2 hours)  and is brilliant  she doesnt want her number shared  and works when she wants too . She has a target to earn and will then retire .

She told me if she increased her prices she would end up earning less guess she knows her market   she prefers long bookings with the people she chooses as she doesnt feel like its work ....

Now this makes sense if she is in it for the long term 

[B4bcock]

On joining UKP there should be some sort of induction or initiation process . . . . . .

Moby, will this involve copious amounts of alcohol and a pig's head???

[southcoastpunter]

It’s about educating the punter so that we decide the market price. Don’t let your cock do the thinking. The WG will exploit this weakness. In most industries the buyer has the power.

On joining UKP there should be some sort of induction or initiation process where after “training” you can become a member and swear to agree to the rules and ethos of the site.
I think there are so many new members that just wanna take, and think contribution is praising the WG with fluffy reviews.

just my opinion (that is if its ok with you that other members have an opinion that is different to yours!) that what you have posted here is pie in the sky and a load of bollocks!

"its about educating the punter"....in what and who is going to do it?

"there should be some sort of induction or initiation process where after “training” you can become a member" - same question

"there are so many new members that just wanna take, and think contribution is praising the WG with fluffy reviews" .... so is praising a girl in a review making it fluffy? or maybe always giving a "positive" to a review would be fluffy after a given number (maybe 12 out of 12??)

"so that we decide the market price."....... personally i don't think that will ever happen. we at best maybe able to have some limited influence on some girls (the ones that are more desperate for money) but there are a number of reasons girls price what they do including a feeling of "self worth" - i'll do it for this amount but not for less! And of course many punters are not members (or active members) of UKP and we all have differing amounts of disposable income and will not share your vision of "punters sticking together"

As i said, just my opinion.

[Moby Dick]

just my opinion (that is if its ok with you that other members have an opinion that is different to yours!) that what you have posted here is pie in the sky and a load of bollocks!

"its about educating the punter"....in what and who is going to do it?

"there should be some sort of induction or initiation process where after “training” you can become a member" - same question

"there are so many new members that just wanna take, and think contribution is praising the WG with fluffy reviews" .... so is praising a girl in a review making it fluffy? or maybe always giving a "positive" to a review would be fluffy after a given number (maybe 12 out of 12??)

"so that we decide the market price."....... personally i don't think that will ever happen. we at best maybe able to have some limited influence on some girls (the ones that are more desperate for money) but there are a number of reasons girls price what they do including a feeling of "self worth" - i'll do it for this amount but not for less! And of course many punters are not members (or active members) of UKP and we all have differing amounts of disposable income and will not share your vision of "punters sticking together"

As i said, just my opinion.

Thank you for your opinion. It is most welcome. 
Let me make it simple.
This is a punting forum that was originally set up for the benefit of punters.
There are too many dickheads on here blatantly doing the opposite:

Sorry Guys but I think you are wrong ...........despite a price rise she wont have a dusty phone as she is class pure class ( see my previous review )
Fluffy yes but i would pay whatever the going rate is   

Yes there are a lot of “grey” areas in between this example and your valid points and yes every positive review potentially is blowing smoke up a WG ass and may lead to her putting prices up.
What can we do?  Only review negatives? and keep any “gems” to pm? So far not been my style....something to discuss.
As a forum “we” the contributors need to punt responsibly and pull up other members when they don’t.
Hopefully when the doors are reopened and new members are allowed in Admin and his team can kick out the lurkers and leeches that serve no purpose here and reinforce the ethos of the site.

Do you understand my point of view?

[southcoastpunter]

Do you understand my point of view?

I understand what you are saying. Yes, this is a punters forum and has a "discussion" section and as such sometimes there will be "aspirations" or "wouldn't it be good if...." type comments but surely there is also a need to remember we live in the real world. I didn't get the impression that your comments were made "tongue in cheek" - if they were, then my apologies.

But equally, don't we have to remember that UKP membership, as in society generally, has  lots of different types and surely that is to be encouraged. And and such, some will punt in a different way to you or like different things to you or write things up in a different way to you or me.

[20jay]

In a nutshell, we are talking about the oldest "business" in the world. There will always be commercial sex and the market determines the price.

[Jonestown]

As a forum “we” the contributors need to punt responsibly and pull up other members when they don’t.
Hopefully when the doors are reopened and new members are allowed in Admin and his team can kick out the lurkers and leeches that serve no purpose here and reinforce the ethos of the site.

I doubt it very much, if you look at the stats on the main page there are typically about twice as many "guests" as there are "members" online at any time, now some of the guests may be members who are just here for a quick shufty and don't bother to log in, but there are already a vast number of leeches and lurkers gobbling up the information posted on here, and it's going to be kind of hard to get these people to go along with the ethos of the site and "punt responsibly" - what ever the hell that means.

[Vanhobonk]

The ethos of the site is to help fellow punters yes , by leaving honest reviews.It has worked well for me since joining around 18 months ago but here lies the problem,the majority of my reviews have been positive as a result .So recently Ive been thinking its time to TOFTT to give something back but what happens if shes a great punt ?do I keep it to myself as a review might encourage fellow punters to book and review,which leads to her getting alot of demand and puts prices up.See the problem here ,In a way the good SPs have earned the increase its supply and demand but the shite SPs or new ones with fuck all reviews see these rates and charge it too.

[Fuzzyduck]

The ethos of the site is to help fellow punters yes , by leaving honest reviews.It has worked well for me since joining around 18 months ago but here lies the problem,the majority of my reviews have been positive as a result .So recently Ive been thinking its time to TOFTT to give something back but what happens if shes a great punt ?do I keep it to myself as a review might encourage fellow punters to book and review,which leads to her getting alot of demand and puts prices up.See the problem here ,In a way the good SPs have earned the increase its supply and demand but the shite SPs or new ones with fuck all reviews see these rates and charge it too.

Read your first sentence 3 or 4 times. It should give you some guidance on what should you do.

[20jay]

The ethos of the site is to help fellow punters yes , by leaving honest reviews.It has worked well for me since joining around 18 months ago but here lies the problem,the majority of my reviews have been positive as a result .So recently Ive been thinking its time to TOFTT to give something back but what happens if shes a great punt ?do I keep it to myself as a review might encourage fellow punters to book and review,which leads to her getting alot of demand and puts prices up.See the problem here ,In a way the good SPs have earned the increase its supply and demand but the shite SPs or new ones with fuck all reviews see these rates and charge it too.

I do not think that a positive evaluation is reflected in a price increase. I hear more and more from the SP that it would be quiet, so a continuous frequenting would certainly be more important to the SP than a price increase.

[Vanhobonk]

   
Read your first sentence 3 or 4 times. It should give you some guidance on what should you do

I dont think i put my point across well ,i was not seeking advice it was a response to this

 
Yes there are a lot of “grey” areas in between this example and your valid points and yes every positive review potentially is blowing smoke up a WG ass and may lead to her putting prices up.
What can we do?  Only review negatives? and keep any “gems” to pm? So far not been my style....something to discuss.

Positive reviews do help fellow punters but by doing so its also good free publicity for the SP ,its just a fact that cant really be avoided .
As long as the reviews are honest there is not a problem in my eyes ,it crosses the line though if someone is just trying to tout their favourite girl but they generally get called out pretty fast on here as far as i can see .

[Moby Dick]

I doubt it very much, if you look at the stats on the main page there are typically about twice as many "guests" as there are "members" online at any time, now some of the guests may be members who are just here for a quick shufty and don't bother to log in, but there are already a vast number of leeches and lurkers gobbling up the information posted on here, and it's going to be kind of hard to get these people to go along with the ethos of the site and "punt responsibly" - what ever the hell that means.

Very true, never really understood how much access guests have, can they just read the reviews and not the following comments. Surely there must be restrictions in place, limited log in times. Needs to be limited to encourage membership (when the doors reopen)

Punting responsibly means don’t pay over the odds. Check price and service along similar looking aged escorts and don’t let your dick do the thinking.
Sure there are some escorts who work less than others and deliberately have higher prices to reduce traffic (messages and actual number of jobs), but are they really worth the extra to us as a punter.
Should we really pay more because she only she’s 4 clients a day instead of 6?
Or pay more because she decided to only work once a month.
I also understand some punters will pay more for a regular or a lass they have met before rather than risk TOFTT. I fit into this category and will not accept price increase from a regular. I will move to a cheaper option on my HL
By meeting the cheaper ones on your hotlist first and hopefully if we all stuck to this, or set a ceiling price then I am sure prices will come down. There is evidence of prices going up and coming down on this thread.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=261846.0


£150 to £160/hr in the ceiling in Manchester, and I encourage others (for the benefit of everyone and longevity of this hobby) to think hard and consider other options or even have a wank, and miss a day, than pay more.
This is punting responsibly
 

[workinallweek]

Interesting reading how positive reviews help punting  I have seen 2 girls after neg reviews and found them very good . When I reviewed them as positive I was accused of being a pimp white night fluffy etc . .
To be fair one girl did go a bit strange after three visits but the other was fine until she retired . The point is reviews are peoples opinion so I normally give the girl the benifit of the doubt as long as negs are low  ie 1 in 4  .There is always the problem that people dont review  or the girl has no advert to show . It will allways have risk but sometimes that make it more enjoyable. 

[20jay]

Thanks Moby Dick couldn't agree more 

[Moby Dick]

Moby, will this involve copious amounts of alcohol and a pig's head???

Maybe, but I think we need to recite humorous verse, witty prose, limericks that reinforce the ethos of this great forum.
When applicants can chant these chosen words after drinking 10pints of Guinness whilst wearing a pigs head then they can swear the oath not to be a fluffy cunt that drives prices up, not to tout, pimp or whiteknight SPs and equally not to lurk and leech.

Dunno if it has changed since but I don’t recall reading the rules when I joined.
Could save much agro for newbies if they have to agree to T&C, understand the rules and what is expected from them to support the ethos of UKP.