Lydia West Retires

[johnny34]

Just noticed on her AW profile that shes retired.

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[datwabbit]

She started well but ended on a low note. I wonder when the rot set in and she poisoned the safety WhatsApp group.

Whatever she does now, I hope it's not pr.

She'll be back in time for Xmas.

[waynekerr600]

Just noticed on her AW profile that shes retired.

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Everybody round mine for a parmo 

She had extended her retirement to 10th Feb but I guess Glasgow must have been so successful she's thought fuck it.

Expecting more comebacks than the rolling stones.

[Shearer1955]

I did have a couple of excellent meets with Lydia...shame she sullied her reputation with the Cauldron and other such things 

[datwabbit]

Everybody round mine for a parmo 

She had extended her retirement to 10th Feb but I guess Glasgow must have been so successful she's thought fuck it.

Expecting more comebacks than the rolling stones.

Don't know why she's left her page up. She's got no media to sell. She's left her contact details so maybe a previous regular could still see her.

[Grenadier36]

Everybody round mine for a parmo 

She had extended her retirement to 10th Feb but I guess Glasgow must have been so successful she's thought fuck it.

Expecting more comebacks than the rolling stones.

[ProfessorYaffle]

I thought Lydia was great and I'm sorry to see her go.

I don't understand the negativity, as far as I can see she's done nothing wrong other than being a member of the WhatsApp group.

[waynekerr600]

I thought Lydia was great and I'm sorry to see her go.

I don't understand the negativity, as far as I can see she's done nothing wrong other than being a member of the WhatsApp group.

She was highly out of order on uke when I was set up.

[ProfessorYaffle]

She was highly out of order on uke when I was set up.

Are you referring to the Ugly Mugs report?

I was under the impression that the report came from Cameron of AW (aka Lauren of Amour) after you gave her a negative review?

[waynekerr600]

Are you referring to the Ugly Mugs report?

I was under the impression that the report came from Cameron of AW (aka Lauren of Amour) after you gave her a negative review?

It may have done nobody will ever know.

Afterwards on uke Lydia conducted herself extremely badly. It's still on uke to be read.

[ProfessorYaffle]

It may have done nobody will ever know.

Afterwards on uke Lydia conducted herself extremely badly. It's still on uke to be read.

What makes you think you were set up?

And how did she conduct herself badly?

[The Outsider]

What makes you think you were set up?

And how did she conduct herself badly?

Lydia did voice one or two opinions about Wayne that may have been better kept to herself. 

Personally I'll miss her as I liked her forthright approach and her views always made interesting reading - notwithstanding what I just said above. 

She never hid behind others, was articulate and spoke the truth as she saw it regardless of the potential affect on bookings.  She'd make a crap politician or PR officer, but she was a very good escort. 

[waynekerr600]

Lydia did voice one or two opinions about Wayne that may have been better kept to herself. 
 

Opinions that had no basis in fact might I add.

[ProfessorYaffle]

Lydia did voice one or two opinions about Wayne that may have been better kept to herself. 

I assume you're referring to her saying that he had a reputation among the girls for boundary pushing, and that she felt that he was pushy with Holly Jameson on UKE with regards to a service she didn't do i.e. foot worship.

Are either of those really that offensive?

I've read a lot worse on here when someone who has never posted a review asks for some recommendations.

[waynekerr600]

Are either of those really that offensive?

They are because what she was saying had no basis in fact.

She involved herself with something which didn't concern her purely for the purposes of causing trouble.

She also circulated the NUM report to AnthG and the outsider with a view to causing further trouble.

[waynekerr600]

I assume you're referring to her saying that he had a reputation among the girls for boundary pushing,

That is completely untrue btw and no girl ever came forward in support of that not surprisingly.

[Tiger63]

Saw her in a bar in Newcastle one night when she must have been out with the rest of the Amour girls....fuck me she looked hot as fuck.
I admire her because she stood up to the forum bellends on uke

[ProfessorYaffle]

They are because what she was saying had no basis in fact.

She involved herself with something which didn't concern her purely for the purposes of causing trouble.

She also circulated the NUM report to AnthG and the outsider with a view to causing further trouble.

She didn't state you were a boundary pusher, she said you had a reputation for being one. If she's right then I don't see what's offensive about her saying it. Obviously if she made it up that's a different kettle of fish. But we have no way of knowing one way or the other.

Similarly, she felt your behaviour with Holly was pushy. That doesn't mean it was pushy. She can feel however she likes. I don't think that's offensive.

[ProfessorYaffle]

That is completely untrue btw and no girl ever came forward in support of that not surprisingly.

No, but by the same token I didn't see many girls rushing forward to defend you either.

Even if it was true I suspect a lot of girls would be unwilling to put their neck on the line by criticising a well known punter on UKE, especially over something so trivial.

Look how long MadeMan2's antics went on unchecked because no-one dared to say anything.

[waynekerr600]

No, but by the same token I didn't see many girls rushing forward to defend you either.

Even if it was true I suspect a lot of girls would be unwilling to put their neck on the line by criticising a well known punter on UKE, especially over something so trivial.

Look how long MadeMan2's antics went on unchecked because no-one dared to say anything.

With mm2 people did come forward though.

If there was any truth in what was said it would have come out by now.

[waynekerr600]

She didn't state you were a boundary pusher, she said you had a reputation for being one.

She's never met me. She's just propagating lies and gossip that she has no idea about the authenticity of. Why bother doing that for someone that you have never met or know nothing about unless you have a penchant for causing trouble?

Remember I've seen the screen shots and the many lies contained within.

[waynekerr600]

No, but by the same token I didn't see many girls rushing forward to defend you either.

One girl passed me the num report.

A different girl complained to NUM.

A third girl messaged me to tell me if girl number 1 hadn't told me she would have done.

It's three enough for you?

Possibly a bit more difficult for girls to come forward and say 'i met him but nothing happened'

PL you normally appear a well balanced guy but on this occasion it looks like you have your mind made up.

[ProfessorYaffle]

With mm2 people did come forward though.

If there was any truth in what was said it would have come out by now.

Not necessarily. There were rumours circulating about MadeMan2 for a long time before his downfall, probably several years.

[ProfessorYaffle]

She's never met me. She's just propagating lies and gossip that she has no idea about the authenticity of. Why bother doing that for someone that you have never met or know nothing about unless you have a penchant for causing trouble?

Remember I've seen the screen shots and the many lies contained within.

There wouldn't be anything for her to propagate unless someone was saying it though.

You were the one that raised the topic of your Ugly Mugs report for discussion both on here and UKE. This discussion later extended to the leaks from the WhatsApp group which Lydia was a key member of. So I'd say she had every right to be in that conversation and it was a valid point to raise as it could suggest a possible reason for the report.

You're right I haven't seen the screenshots. We keep getting told that they're full of girls gossiping about and slagging off punters. Why don't you post them somewhere we can all read them and see for ourselves?

[ProfessorYaffle]

One girl passed me the num report.

A different girl complained to NUM.

A third girl messaged me to tell me if girl number 1 hadn't told me she would have done.

It's three enough for you?

Possibly a bit more difficult for girls to come forward and say 'i met him but nothing happened'

PL you normally appear a well balanced guy but on this occasion it looks like you have your mind made up.

I suspect that the girl who leaked the WhatsApp group convos was doing it for her own reasons i.e. to land one or more of the other WhatsApp group members in the shit, rather than because she felt you had been wronged.

As for the other two, you could have just made them up for all I know.

The only thing I've made my mind up on is that I'm not prepared to join your Witch-hunt of the WhatsApp girls when I've never seen any evidence that the vast majority of them have done anything wrong.

[Grenadier36]

I suspect that the girl who leaked the WhatsApp group convos was doing it for her own reasons i.e. to land one or more of the other WhatsApp group members in the shit, rather than because she felt you had been wronged.

As for the other two, you could have just made them up for all I know.

The only thing I've made my mind up on is that I'm not prepared to join your Witch-hunt of the WhatsApp girls when I've never seen any evidence that the vast majority of them have done anything wrong.

Some of them landed themselves in the shit.
Bosh.

[ProfessorYaffle]

Some of them landed themselves in the shit.
Bosh.

Yes they did. There were a grand total of 3 offensive comments out of 100 pages of screen grabs. Why should the whole group get shit for that?

If there's more in there, let's see the evidence.

[Grenadier36]

Yes they did. There were a grand total of 3 offensive comments out of 100 pages of screen grabs. Why should the whole group get shit for that?

If there's more in there, let's see the evidence.

Read the 80+ page thread on UKE - it's a timely reminder of what some girls think of their clientele.

[ProfessorYaffle]

Read the 80+ page thread on UKE - it's a timely reminder of what some girls think of their clientele.

I read it all at the time and can't recall anything offensive from the girls tbh (other than the 3 comments in the WhatsApp group). Just a load of "he said, she said".

[Grenadier36]

I read it all at the time and can't recall anything offensive from the girls tbh (other than the 3 comments in the WhatsApp group). Just a load of "he said, she said".

Well what's the difference in this thread  if you're happy to patronise them with your coin then crack on

[waynekerr600]

In fairness prof I think this discussion is pointless. I know the truth.

You seem to have a bit of an excessive interest in this subject and a rather closed mindset.

I assume that there must be some misplaced affection somewhere.

As a point I was accused of harassment on online forums. The word harassment was first used by Cameron in the negative review. Can you indicate where I have harassed people please?

[waynekerr600]

Not necessarily. There were rumours circulating about MadeMan2 for a long time before his downfall, probably several years.

Well I returned to punting 9 years ago.

[waynekerr600]

You were the one that raised the topic of your Ugly Mugs report for discussion both on here and UKE.

I didn't raise it on uke. There was an attempt to bully my source with snake pictures and a comment 'never trust a screenshotter'. That's when it was raised on uke and not by me.

[waynekerr600]

Yes they did. There were a grand total of 3 offensive comments out of 100 pages of screen grabs. Why should the whole group get shit for that?

If there's more in there, let's see the evidence.

It's in the screenshots. You're not privy.

[waynekerr600]

As for the other two, you could have just made them up for all I know.

You could say that for anything on a forum and I certainly am not betraying anyone's trust. This is an example of your closed mindset. You believe what you believe because you want to and some misplaced affection towards Lydia rather than looking at what's out there.

[waynekerr600]

I read it all at the time

See reply #10

Maybe you didn't digest it very well.

[Grenadier36]

You could say that for anything on a forum and I certainly am not betraying anyone's trust. This is an example of your closed mindset. You believe what you believe because you want to and some misplaced affection towards Lydia rather than looking at what's out there.

I read it that way too

[ProfessorYaffle]

In fairness prof I think this discussion is pointless. I know the truth.

You seem to have a bit of an excessive interest in this subject and a rather closed mindset.

I assume that there must be some misplaced affection somewhere.

As a point I was accused of harassment on online forums. The word harassment was first used by Cameron in the negative review. Can you indicate where I have harassed people please?

This is the first thread I have ever commented on any of this so it hardly qualifies as excessive interest.

I don't have any affection for Lydia or anyone else. It's you who seems to be emotionally invested here, after all it's nearly 6 months on and you're still like a dog with a bone over it.

I suspect your ego was bruised when you discovered the WhatsApp girls were discussing you in less glowing terms than you might have liked and I really wish you'd get over it because it's getting tedious seeing you and your compadres jumping in with the same "Cauldron" comments every time one of those girls is mentioned. There's a lot of good escorts in that group and you're doing the punting community no favours when you try to stop punters from booking them.

Personally I wasn't offended by the girls' comments because it never crossed my mind they thought any different about us. Even at a salary in excess of £100 an hour there's still very few girls who can stick the job longer than a few years. That tells us all we need to know about how they feel about the job, and by extension, us punters. That doesn't bother me.

Anyway, I agree there's no point squabbling further. I'm done. I'll let you have the final word.

[Grenadier36]

This is the first thread I have ever commented on any of this so it hardly qualifies as excessive interest.

I don't have any affection for Lydia or anyone else. It's you who seems to be emotionally invested here, after all it's nearly 6 months on and you're still like a dog with a bone over it.

I suspect your ego was bruised when you discovered the WhatsApp girls were discussing you in less glowing terms than you might have liked and I really wish you'd get over it because it's getting tedious seeing you and your compadres jumping in with the same "Cauldron" comments every time one of those girls is mentioned. There's a lot of good escorts in that group and you're doing the punting community no favours when you try to stop punters from booking them.

Personally I wasn't offended by the girls' comments because it never crossed my mind they thought any different about us. Even at a salary in excess of £100 an hour there's still very few girls who can stick the job longer than a few years. That tells us all we need to know about how they feel about the job, and by extension, us punters. That doesn't bother me.

Anyway, I agree there's no point squabbling further. I'm done. I'll let you have the final word.

They weren't just discussing him though, seemed to be more general punter-bashing IMO. Of course as long as they put up a decent show at £2/minute why care? 

[waynekerr600]

This is the first thread I have ever commented on any of this so it hardly qualifies as excessive interest.

I don't have any affection for Lydia or anyone else. It's you who seems to be emotionally invested here, after all it's nearly 6 months on and you're still like a dog with a bone over it.

I suspect your ego was bruised when you discovered the WhatsApp girls were discussing you in less glowing terms than you might have liked and I really wish you'd get over it because it's getting tedious seeing you and your compadres jumping in with the same "Cauldron" comments every time one of those girls is mentioned. There's a lot of good escorts in that group and you're doing the punting community no favours when you try to stop punters from booking them.

Personally I wasn't offended by the girls' comments because it never crossed my mind they thought any different about us. Even at a salary in excess of £100 an hour there's still very few girls who can stick the job longer than a few years. That tells us all we need to know about how they feel about the job, and by extension, us punters. That doesn't bother me.

Anyway, I agree there's no point squabbling further. I'm done. I'll let you have the final word.

Hitherto I always thought you were a well balanced guy.

I've never seen you post so much in a thread so I don't believe you when you say you have no emotional capital invested.

Yes I am like a dog with a bone. If you ever get fitted up you will be able to empathise with that one.

[Grenadier36]

Hitherto I ahead thought you were a week balanced guy.

I've never seen you post so much in a thread so I don't believe you when you say you have no emotional capital invested.

Yes I am like a dog with a bone. If you ever get fitted up you will be able to empathise with that one.

Yes I can empathise with you after the two lackwits on UKE decided to phish for my UKP name 

[ProfessorYaffle]

They weren't just discussing him though, seemed to be more general punter-bashing IMO. Of course as long as they put up a decent show at £2/minute why care? 

Have you seen the screen grabs or are you just going off what you were told?
I'm not taking someone's word for it. Let us see the screen grabs and we'll judge for ourselves.

[Grenadier36]

Have you seen the screen grabs or are you just going off what you were told?
I'm not taking someone's word for it. Let us see the screen grabs and we'll judge for ourselves.

I saw enough of them to form my own opinion on the WGs involved, and the "besties" who tout for them.

[waynekerr600]

I'll let you have the final word.

See post#41

I can see why you and Lydia get on so well now 

[datwabbit]

She was studying like HollyJ and Amelia so they were always going to move into other work. Maybe she moved on earlier than originally planned, we don't know. I'm sure she's focusing on her new path not the punters she used to see.

[The Outsider]

I had thought this was finally dying down.  The infighting in the summer did nobody any favours, created ill will on here and pretty much killed UKE from a north east perspective. 

Waynekerr, I know you’re aggrieved by the malicious report, as I would be.  It wasn’t made by anyone from the WhatsApp group though.  The culprit was most likely Cameron in retribution for her negative review. 

I think that is an important distinction that is being overlooked in the whole furore. 

Some girls said things in a private group that they wouldn’t have wished us to hear.  I do the same in regard to my clients at work.  Some of them are annoying and I don’t like them.  I’ll happily take their money though and then vent to my colleagues afterwards.  That’s what the girls were doing.  An apology or two after they were caught out might have been nice, but I doubt anyone would have accepted it anyway. 

Were it not for a self-interested double agent, we wouldn’t have known any of this and could have continued in ignorant bliss in this hobby/business based on little white lies.   

There are far greater “offences” being committed all the time.  Bizarrely we keep seeing positive reviews for girls who secretly film clients, bareback or out people.  Yet if anyone from the former WhatsApp group dares to provide a punter with a great service and gains a positive review, some on here can’t wait to wheel out the same predictable lines.  Bosh.

[Shearer1955]

When I last met her which was admittedly some 18 months ago she was studying I believe for a Masters degree
Probably opens up a lot of opportunities which should be rewarding financially...as much as a prossie potentially receives I'm not so sure 
Must admit she was a good punt and one really bonny lass

[waynekerr600]

Waynekerr, I know you’re aggrieved by the malicious report, as I would be.  It wasn’t made by anyone from the WhatsApp group though.  The culprit was most likely Cameron in retribution for her negative review. 

I'm not so sure. Someone could have taken the opportunity to scapegoat Cameron.

Only the perpetrator knows.

[Tiger63]

Yes I can empathise with you after the two lackwits on UKE decided to phish for my UKP name 

Why?
Who are you like

[The Outsider]

I'm not so sure. Someone could have taken the opportunity to scapegoat Cameron.

Only the perpetrator knows.

That's a possibility.  Here's another theory for you:

Maybe the girl who leaked the screenshots was actually the one that set you up with the malicious NUM report in the first place.  She then provoked a discussion on the WhatsApp group knowing some girls would make controversial comments and she could hang them out to dry.  She shafts the competition and gets punters on her side in one fell swoop. 

We'll probably never know the truth.  The constant grief about the gossiping dished out to otherwise good escorts is over the top though.