Romanians (Yep another Romanian Post)

[jpduk]

Just a quick question for you more experienced fellow punters  & our WGs  on the forum.

Being new to this and all, I have only had experience in parlours but what i have found strange that the Romanians/EEs don't like to say they actually are. I saw a girl and I suspect she was Romanian but she tells me she was French. She wasn't in anyway French she probably doesn't know that we take either French or German at School here.

I just find it strange that she didn't want me to think she was EE, It was the best service I've had by far  , Now im going to be going tell everyone the French are the best.

I suspect it was due to the fact a lot of them are scammers, rip offs and such, Even on this forum there are guys that will not go anywhere near them and there is always a post popping up.

I would rather her tell me where she was actually from that was the only let down really

What are your opinions on this, i assume its very common ??

[smiths]

Just a quick question for you more experienced fellow punters  & our WGs  on the forum.

Being new to this and all, I have only had experience in parlours but what i have found strange that the Romanians/EEs don't like to say they actually are. I saw a girl and I suspect she was Romanian but she tells me she was French. She wasn't in anyway French she probably doesn't know that we take either French or German at School here.

I just find it strange that she didn't want me to think she was EE, It was the best service I've had by far  , Now im going to be going tell everyone the French are the best.

I suspect it was due to the fact a lot of them are scammers, rip offs and such, Even on this forum there are guys that will not go anywhere near them and there is always a post popping up.

I would rather her tell me where she was actually from that was the only let down really

What are your opinions on this, i assume its very common ??

Yes its very common, some Romanian WGs or their pimps know they have a bad reputation so lie about being Romanian. Some also think some will equate Romanians with gypsies who also havent a good rep in this country of course.

However, many EE WGs lie about where they come from as i know myself after punting with hundreds over the years. Its often been the case a WG would say she was from say Latvia on my first punt with her only to say Lithuania the second time obviously not remembering what she had told me first time. So unless its obvious by her accent and i recognize it not speaking a foreign language myself i take where a foreign WG comes from with a huge pinch of salt. Honesty is always the best policy but as long as i get good service it wouldnt stop me punting with such WGs.

[vorian]

They may feel that they have to lie as there is a perception that Romania is a country which has a problem with trafficking,  they are thieves, B&S and many other bad things. This may be considered to be a racist stereotypical response supported by some of the media. On here it is a matter of constant debate. I have only punted with English wgs so I cannot say from personal experience if there is more of of a preponderance to offer a poor service if a prossie is from Romania. If I had to guess I personally would say there are good and bad prossie of all nationality that would be a logical assumption.

[FLYING BLUE]

I would suggest that there is a higher chance of catching something from a Romanian WG due to the lower standards of health care.

The several experiences I have with Romanian WG's have sadly been formulaic, cold & mechanical - I have never been asked "what things do I like" - it's just straight down to business....

[CBPaul]

I would echo a couple of  the above replies.

It does happen a lot, I've had one WG say she is Latvian on visit 1, Lithuanian on visit 2 and Ukrainian on visit 3 - take your pick. Have a close look at AW profiles, loads of examples of them stating one nationality in the text and then Romanian in the entry at the bottom of the profile - spotted one this morning claiming to be Swiss.

The problem with the area I punt in is that there are loads of Romanian profiles, most are too risky for me to even consider - they have the standard pictures, profile name changes, lower price, many offer bareback and so on. I have them down as a scam of some sort. Then you have a few Romanian girls who could well be genuine but they are in the minority. The problem is, whoever organizes the scams seems to think that we are stupid enough to look at the bit where they say French, Spanish, Swiss or whatever and not spot the Romanian nationality below. No doubt some fall for it and so it perpetuates. 

[Puntypants]

I think the problem is that Romania is associated in some people's minds with the Roma people. While there are Roma people in Romania, they are also in the Czech Republic, Poland and other parts of Eastern Europe. The Roma are "travellers" and have a long history originating in north-west India in the 11th century. The similarity of the names is unfortunate bringing about obvious confusion, however the Roma people derived their name from the Sultanate of Roum in what is now Asia Minor from where they drifted west to Europe.

I have visited Romania and can testify that their people are friendly and generous. I have no hesitation in visiting a Romanian WG, just in the same way as I would visit a Polish WG. It is probably true to say that some Roma people do get onto AW, but they are just as likely to be Czech or any other Eastern European nationality.

[Toshiba]

Just a quick question for you more experienced fellow punters  & our WGs  on the forum.

Being new to this and all, I have only had experience in parlours but what i have found strange that the Romanians/EEs don't like to say they actually are. I saw a girl and I suspect she was Romanian but she tells me she was French. She wasn't in anyway French she probably doesn't know that we take either French or German at School here.

I just find it strange that she didn't want me to think she was EE, It was the best service I've had by far  , Now im going to be going tell everyone the French are the best.

I suspect it was due to the fact a lot of them are scammers, rip offs and such, Even on this forum there are guys that will not go anywhere near them and there is always a post popping up.

I would rather her tell me where she was actually from that was the only let down really

What are your opinions on this, i assume its very common ??

Youve kinda answered your own question really

In newcastle we have the same thing, currently a pair of austrians when clearly they are not

[Curious6705]

I think you answered your own question in the title of your post "Yep another Romanian Post" - you've clearly read other threads on here concerning Romanians, so should really know the answer without asking.

Tbh if a WG provides a good service I couldn't give a damn if she's evasive about being EE \ which EE country \ Romanian. Many would regard it as good sense for a punter to lie or be evasive about their personal circumstances if asked, so I don't personally have a problem with a WG doing the same.

[vorian]

I think you answered your own question in the title of your post "Yep another Romanian Post" - you've clearly read other threads on here concerning Romanians, so should really know the answer without asking.

Tbh if a WG provides a good service I couldn't give a damn if she's evasive about being EE \ which EE country \ Romanian. Many would regard it as good sense for a punter to lie or be evasive about their personal circumstances if asked, so I don't personally have a problem with a WG doing the same.

Agreed I expect honesty regarding profile pic and likes etc but have no interest in anything personal it is not my business.

[Daffodil]

Agreed I expect honesty regarding profile pic and likes etc but have no interest in anything personal it is not my business.

The trouble is that we are the customer and they are the provider. It might not mean much to you or curious (or to me in fact, in this case), but nationality is important to other punters. They lie about it because they fear they will lose business if they're honest, not because they feel it's too personal.

Also a willingness to lie about x also implies, to me, a willingness to lie about other things e.g. age, services, etc.

[pussyhunter]

What's all this complaining about Romanian escorts? Having punted for many years and speaking to many escorts a lot of EE girls tell me that they have to hide their nationality because of this very stigma the clients have about them all being pimped or trafficked. Other times they want to hide their nationality because they have friends that might discover who they are by selecting the Romanian option.

For me if an escort is happy in what she is doing and is pleasant, polite, a good laugh and provides a good service, I don't care if she is from Romania or Jupiter! I go under the username top cat on a site called External Link/Members Only and as you will see I have had many good experiences with escorts. Here is a link to my reviews:

External Link/Members Only

It always helps when clients leaves a review for an escort because we won't get ripped off by crap service providers. Let us scratch each others backs lads.

[vorian]

The trouble is that we are the customer and they are the provider. It might not mean much to you or curious (or to me in fact, in this case), but nationality is important to other punters. They lie about it because they fear they will lose business if they're honest, not because they feel it's too personal.

Also a willingness to lie about x also implies, to me, a willingness to lie about other things e.g. age, services, etc.

Very true,  honestly across the board does give a punter more confidence that's for sure particularly when dealing with services, age, etc.  However I expect prossies to a degree to lie about personal things and present themselves in the best way possible.  I know for example that many when asked always say they are single as some punters get concerned about this. To me they are selling a fantasy and it is an act and good one can act well and convince a punter they are the best lover in the world with the best cock.  I am happy to enjoy the fantasy but never lose sight of the reality.

[Daffodil]

What's all this complaining about Romanian escorts? Having punted for many years and speaking to many escorts a lot of EE girls tell me that they have to hide their nationality because of this very stigma the clients have about them all being pimped or trafficked. Other times they want to hide their nationality because they have friends that might discover who they are by selecting the Romanian option.

For me if an escort is happy in what she is doing and is pleasant, polite, a good laugh and provides a good service, I don't care if she is from Romania or Jupiter! I go under the username top cat on a site called External Link/Members Only and as you will see I have had many good experiences with escorts. Here is a link to my reviews:

External Link/Members Only

It always helps when clients leaves a review for an escort because we won't get ripped off by crap service providers. Let us scratch each others backs lads.

Good post and welcome to the forum.

However, I do feel that stereotypes exist for a reason. No, not every single member of a given group will act in the exact same way, but a significant proportion will.

Now you might not worry about nationality (and neither do I), but other punters do and it's not for us to say that they're wrong. If a punter chooses not to see Romanians, for whatever reason, they should be able to make that choice.

Lying about nationality in my opinion is akin to lying about anything else.

[Daffodil]

Very true,  honestly across the board does give a punter more confidence that's for sure particularly when dealing with services, age, etc.  However I expect prossies to a degree to lie about personal things and present themselves in the best way possible.  I know for example that many when asked always say they are single as some punters get concerned about this. To me they are selling a fantasy and it is an act and good one can act well and convince a punter they are the best lover in the world with the best cock.  I am happy to enjoy the fantasy but never lose sight of the reality.

Age is also personal and could potentially help to identify somebody, but punters don't want prossies lying about that either.

Relationship status isn't as relevant as the above, evidenced by the fact that the question is not asked on adultwork.

[vorian]

Good post and welcome to the forum.

However, I do feel that stereotypes exist for a reason. No, not every single member of a given group will act in the exact same way, but a significant proportion will.

Now you might not worry about nationality (and neither do I), but other punters do and it's not for us to say that they're wrong. If a punter chooses not to see Romanians, for whatever reason, they should be able to make that choice.

Lying about nationality in my opinion is akin to lying about anything else.

Agreed no one is forced to go with a prossie it is a personal choice and no one should have to justify that personal choice.

[Toshiba]

Ive no problem with any nationality, my beef though is communication.the average romanian wont understand

"Lick round my helmet and then up n down my length"

Thats what bugs me

[Gordo987]

Lying about nationality in my opinion is akin to lying about anything else.

Do you know of any AW profile that is 100 % honest? 

[Rochdull lad]

While that's true, daffodil, some of them spoil the fantasy for us [me, anyway]; by referring on their AW Profile pages to their husband/partner.  I know that lots of them will be married/in a relationship, but I don't want them reminding me of the fact when they're renting their bodies out for an hour or two.

[Daffodil]

Do you know of any AW profile that is 100 % honest? 

There are plenty that are more accurate than others, but how can I know everything is 100%? I have seen plenty of girls who provide every service they advertise, appear to be of the same age, are of the expected nationality, and are of the stated body shape/size.

What I do know is when they are clearly lying and that isn't something to be excused 

Unless you're another fluffy of course 

[Gordo987]

I think you answered your own question in the title of your post "Yep another Romanian Post" - you've clearly read other threads on here concerning Romanians, so should really know the answer without asking.

Tbh if a WG provides a good service I couldn't give a damn if she's evasive about being EE \ which EE country \ Romanian. Many would regard it as good sense for a punter to lie or be evasive about their personal circumstances if asked, so I don't personally have a problem with a WG doing the same.

+1  and +1   All this soul-searching about EE women and the paranoia over Romanians in particular is beginning to cloy 

[Daffodil]

While that's true, daffodil, some of them spoil the fantasy for us [me, anyway]; by referring on their AW Profile pages to their husband/partner.  I know that lots of them will be married/in a relationship, but I don't want them reminding me of the fact when they're renting their bodies out for an hour or two.

Yes, that doesn't bother me, but I know it does many punters.

The difference is that they've chosen to give that information without being asked. It's not lying to simply not state something.

[SirPhilipXX]

I think the problem is that Romania is associated in some people's minds with the Roma people. While there are Roma people in Romania, they are also in the Czech Republic, Poland and other parts of Eastern Europe. The Roma are "travellers" and have a long history originating in north-west India in the 11th century. The similarity of the names is unfortunate bringing about obvious confusion, however the Roma people derived their name from the Sultanate of Roum in what is now Asia Minor from where they drifted west to Europe.

I have visited Romania and can testify that their people are friendly and generous. I have no hesitation in visiting a Romanian WG, just in the same way as I would visit a Polish WG. It is probably true to say that some Roma people do get onto AW, but they are just as likely to be Czech or any other Eastern European nationality.

Excellent point.

Romanian WGs are very rarely of Roma ethnicity, I understand; certainly I have never (knowingly) met a Roma WG: has anyone else?

[kingkong]

Youve kinda answered your own question really

In newcastle we have the same thing, currently a pair of austrians when clearly they are not

I know who you mean. I had a booking with one through the agency, but I noticed her profile was not on the site the night before my booking.I was due to see her the next morning but the agency owner was trying to get in touch with her to see if she was still working, (even though the owner took her pictures off the site himself) but I just thought fu*k it! and cancelled.

[Daffodil]

+1  and +1   All this soul-searching about EE women and the paranoia over Romanians in particular is beginning to cloy 

I'm not sure you understand the meaning of 'cloy', I don't think it really applies in the context you're using it.

Regardless, just because you don't think the nationality (or, specifically, whether they're EE or not or Romanian or not) is not important doesn't mean that others agree.

I am quite happy to see a Romanian if they have good reviews, just like any other prossie. However, it seems that Romanians have a bad reputation on here, a forum with pretty experienced punters, so there is likely something in it. No smoke without fire. I would see a Romanian, but would approach with a little more caution. Others would not, based on perceived risk, and that is their choice 

[Jimmyredcab]

Regardless, just because you don't think the nationality (or, specifically, whether they're EE or not or Romanian or not) is not important doesn't mean that others agree.

If I see that a girl is advertising as French then I expect her to come from France ---------------- not Romania or Bulgaria, surely I am not being unreasonable.   

[Curious6705]

+1  and +1   All this soul-searching about EE women and the paranoia over Romanians in particular is beginning to cloy 

Mainly I think it's howling at the moon / a little divorced from reality. I know few people even in civvie street who are capable of being 100% honest, even with themselves. Expecting 100% honesty / lack of evasiveness in the punting world is IMO unrealistic. If people rule out WGs on that basis, they may not be punting very often, and some UKP members do seem to be in that position.

[Jimmyredcab]

Expecting 100% honesty / lack of evasiveness in the punting world is IMO unrealistic. If people rule out WGs on that basis, they may not be punting very often, and some UKP members do seem to be in that position.

Punting has always had it's risks ----------------- and I go back well over 30 years ----------- but I see no harm in reducing that risk as much as possible, if I saw numerous bad reviews on girls from Lapland then I would avoid those girls, that is why I would not see girls from Romania, I may miss the occasional gem but I will have to live with that. 

[Daffodil]

Mainly I think it's howling at the moon / a little divorced from reality. I know few people even in civvie street who are capable of being 100% honest, even with themselves. Expecting 100% honesty / lack of evasiveness in the punting world is IMO unrealistic. If people rule out WGs on that basis, they may not be punting very often, and some UKP members do seem to be in that position.

I think that if somebody lies about nationality, because they think they'll get less punters if genuine, then it implies they will lie about other things.

There are plenty of profiles who give a pretty good idea of age (without seeing passports I cannot know), dress size, cup size, nationality and services. These prossies should be applauded. If they see lots of punters saying, 'all prossies lie, don't complain about it when it happens', it may just encourage them to say, 'fuck it then, I'll drop ten years, a dress size, and give myself a sexy nationality'.

[Jimmyredcab]

I think that if somebody lies about nationality, because they think they'll get less punters if genuine, then it implies they will lie about other things.

If a girl from Albania claims to be Swedish that is fraud ------------- pure and simple, of course in this business the trades description act does not apply.     

[vorian]

If a girl from Albania claims to be Swedish that is fraud ------------- pure and simple, of course in this business the trades description act does not apply.     

Oh only if it did, wouldn't that make everyone's lives so much easier.

[Curious6705]

Punting has always had it's risks ----------------- and I go back well over 30 years ----------- but I see no harm in reducing that risk as much as possible, if I saw numerous bad reviews on girls from Lapland then I would avoid those girls, that is why I would not see girls from Romania, I may miss the occasional gem but I will have to live with that. 

Of course that's your choice, I respect your right to make it, and I hope you enjoy the punts you do allow yourself. 

[Curious6705]

If a girl from Albania claims to be Swedish that is fraud ------------- pure and simple, of course in this business the trades description act does not apply.     

If prostitution were so mainstream that such legislation did apply, it might also be illegal not to choose a WG on the basis of her nationality. Perhaps even her age ... in fact by law she might not have to disclose it ...

[Curious6705]

I think that if somebody lies about nationality, because they think they'll get less punters if genuine, then it implies they will lie about other things.

There are plenty of profiles who give a pretty good idea of age (without seeing passports I cannot know), dress size, cup size, nationality and services. These prossies should be applauded. If they see lots of punters saying, 'all prossies lie, don't complain about it when it happens', it may just encourage them to say, 'fuck it then, I'll drop ten years, a dress size, and give myself a sexy nationality'.

I think they might, or might not, lie about other things. In my view it's not so black and white.

[Daffodil]

I think they might, or might not, lie about other things. In my view it's not so black and white.

I said it implies they will.

However, I do think that if it's shown that a prossie lies about x then it's naive in the extreme to believe she tells the truth about y and z.

Being honest obviously isn't a priority for that prossie.

[vorian]

If prostitution were so mainstream that such legislation did apply, it might also be illegal not to choose a WG on the basis of her nationality. Perhaps even her age ... in fact by law she might not have to disclose it ...

Noooooo. ......

I didn't think of that your right discrimination laws would apply.  Fuck you could end up punting with anyone.

[Curious6705]

I said it implies they will.

However, I do think that if it's shown that a prossie lies about x then it's naive in the extreme to believe she tells the truth about y and z.

Being honest obviously isn't a priority for that prossie.

Erm - IMO it implies they might.

Most everybody lies, to some extent, not just WGs. IMO We automatically make value judgements about this all the time as we deal with people, including WGs.

[Daffodil]

Erm - IMO it implies they might.

Most everybody lies, to some extent, not just WGs. IMO We automatically make value judgements about this all the time as we deal with people, including WGs.

I highlighted the word implies from my original post because you'd misquoted me. You'd highlighted one word, will, but the context of it being used in a sentence with 'implies' altered its meaning.

Your initial post seems to say, most prossies lie so get over it. I don't think that's right. I think that prossies who definitely lie should have that fact pointed out. I also think it's acceptable to complain about it.

You also don't seem to be willing to alter your opinion of somebody after you know that they've lied once. I think that's foolish. It's like being bitten by a dog and then believing that you have the same chance of being bitten by that same dog in future as to being bitten by a dog who has never bitten you.

Yes a lot of prossies lie, but some are far more honest than others. We shouldn't tar them all with the same brush and we should applaud honesty and castigate dishonesty.

[Curious6705]

I highlighted the word implies from my original post because you'd misquoted me. You'd highlighted one word, will, but the context of it being used in a sentence with 'implies' altered its meaning.

Your initial post seems to say, most prossies lie so get over it. I don't think that's right. I think that prossies who definitely lie should have that fact pointed out. I also think it's acceptable to complain about it.

You also don't seem to be willing to alter your opinion of somebody after you know that they've lied once. I think that's foolish. It's like being bitten by a dog and then believing that you have the same chance of being bitten by that same dog in future as to being bitten by a dog who has never bitten you.

Yes a lot of prossies lie, but some are far more honest than others. We shouldn't tar them all with the same brush and we should applaud honesty and castigate dishonesty.

As I quoted \ included your entire post in mine, IMO it is neither accurate or fair to say I misquoted you.

We clearly disagree on this issue, which is no bad thing in itself. There would not be much in the way of lively discussion if everyone on the forum was of the same opinion on everything. 

[Daffodil]

As I quoted \ included your entire post in mine, IMO it is neither accurate or fair to say I misquoted you.

We clearly disagree on this issue, which is no bad thing in itself. There would not be much in the way of lively discussion if everyone on the forum was of the same opinion on everything. 

No, but you highlighted one word and responded to that. With the sentence taken as a whole it makes your point a little irrelevant, as it was already made in mine.

We do disagree, and that is the joy of the forum, however, just to make that statement and leave it implies that you struggle to respond to my argument 

[vorian]

Nothing like a good old Romania vs the rest of the world prossie debate to get the posting juices flowing for everyone.  Must be a least 24 hours since the last one.

[Curious6705]

No, but you highlighted one word and responded to that. With the sentence taken as a whole it makes your point a little irrelevant, as it was already made in mine.

We do disagree, and that is the joy of the forum, however, just to make that statement and leave it implies that you struggle to respond to my argument 

If you really believe that, then I should point out that if you continue to argue with an idiot it will just look like two idiots arguing. 

[Daffodil]

Nothing like a good old Romania vs the rest of the world prossie debate to get the posting juices flowing for everyone.  Must be a least 24 hours since the last one.

The thing is there is only so much to discuss around the topic of punting. Romanian prossies is a hot one at the moment, but pretty much every thread started here has been done before. I don't see a problem with that.

[Daffodil]

If you really believe that, then I should point out that if you continue to argue with an idiot it will just look like two idiots arguing. 

True, so I'll leave you to it 

[smiths]

The thing is there is only so much to discuss around the topic of punting. Romanian prossies is a hot one at the moment, but pretty much every thread started here has been done before. I don't see a problem with that.

Or me. On every forum dedicated to one overall topic most things are discussed time and time again. Firstly for a newbie its their first time reading such a thread and secondly new spins on the same subject are often posted.

[smiths]

Punting has always had it's risks ----------------- and I go back well over 30 years ----------- but I see no harm in reducing that risk as much as possible, if I saw numerous bad reviews on girls from Lapland then I would avoid those girls, that is why I would not see girls from Romania, I may miss the occasional gem but I will have to live with that. 

Jim you have made your view very clear. Romanian WGs are to be avoided and ALL WGs who charge under £100 an hour are skanks, total and complete bollocks of the highest order but if thats your view, thats your view of course.

I just hope newbie punters on here read the reviews/feedback given by some other punters as well before ruling out such WGs. There have been many reviews and FB given on such WGs.

[FLYING BLUE]

If I see that a girl is advertising as French then I expect her to come from France ---------------- not Romania or Bulgaria, surely I am not being unreasonable.   

Completely agree

[Jimmyredcab]

Jim you have made your view very clear. Romanian WGs are to be avoided and ALL WGs who charge under £100 an hour are skanks, total and complete bollocks of the highest order but if thats your view, thats your view of course.

You have stated many times that you have had excellent punts at £60-£70 an hour ---- no reviews on them though, very strange.   

[smiths]

You have stated many times that you have had excellent punts at £60-£70 an hour ---- no reviews on them though, very strange.   

 You posted i hadnt had a reported punt for many many years, turned out i had 2 less reviews than you on here and you have been a member longer then me so that was total bollocks as well. I see your changing the goalposts again in this post by saying £60-70 an hour punts rather than under £100 an hour punts, as you know i added to a review on Hot Katalina who was £80 an hour, according to you she must be a skank, more bollocks. In fact on this issue you are full to the brim with complete bollocks. Going on your logic Michelle Independent who charges £100 an hour would be a skank if she charged 1p less.

I have never had a £60 an hour 121 punt so your factually incorrect there, i have had a £70 an hour 121 punt and James linked the WGs profile in on here at the time, a WG recommended to me off board.

[Jimmyredcab]

You posted i hadnt had a reported punt for many many years, turned out i had 2 less reviews than you on here and you have been a member longer then me so that was total bollocks as well. I see your changing the goalposts again in this post by saying £60-70 an hour punts rather than under £100 an hour punts, as you know i added to a review on Hot Katalina who was £80 an hour, according to you she must be a skank, more bollocks. In fact on this issue you are full to the brim with complete bollocks. Going on your logic Michelle Independent who charges £100 an hour would be a skank if she charged 1p less.

Possibly the most ridiculous thing you have ever posted ----------- and that's saying something.   

[smiths]

Possibly the most ridiculous thing you have ever posted ----------- and that's saying something.   

Its certainly less ridiculous than you labelling ALL WGs who charge under £100 an hour as skanks whether you have punted with them or not all despite the fact loads of punters have posted they have had good punts with such WGs.