Barebacking

[Uniuni22]

I'm gonna be the devil's advocate on this one.

Most escorts are cleaner than your average run of the mill female you would find in a club or on a dating app. This is usually because escorts take pride with safe sex and regular checks due to the nature of their work.

So when one decides she likes the look of you and decides to offer you the chance to bareback with her how do you respond?

[Jonestown]

You are not the Devil’s Advocate, you’re just a twat.

[DrConners]

So when one decides she likes the look of you and decides to offer you the chance to bareback with her how do you respond?

Never happened to me - Nor would I be interested. What are you studying at Uni uni ? Hollyoaks plot lines ?

You sound like a troll to me mate 

 

[Shearer1955]

I'm gonna be the devil's advocate on this one.

Most escorts are cleaner than your average run of the mill female you would find in a club or on a dating app. This is usually because escorts take pride with safe sex and regular checks due to the nature of their work.

So when one decides she likes the look of you and decides to offer you the chance to bareback with her how do you respond?

The ones who are clean and take pride in safety will not offer it
If it is offered (no doubt for a price) it should register with you that she is a skank 

[Moresomes]

Same as I respond to trolls.
I'd tell her to fuck off.

[smiths]

I'm gonna be the devil's advocate on this one.

Most escorts are cleaner than your average run of the mill female you would find in a club or on a dating app. This is usually because escorts take pride with safe sex and regular checks due to the nature of their work.

So when one decides she likes the look of you and decides to offer you the chance to bareback with her how do you respond?

Are they cleaner, I have no idea if they are or not. Anyone could be doing anything with anyone for all I would know as fact. I most certainly don't just assume they are like you do.

My own unprovable opinion that cant be disproven is most adults do not go to the GUM on a regular basis, they go if they think they have something and this includes WGs and punters.

If a WG offers me BB which unfortunately has happened despite her not advertising it or mentioning up until that point I have walked, nowadays it would also be a negative review on here to warn other punters of the skank. These low lifes that offer BB but don't advertise they do are underhand cunts in my book. At least I can avoid a WG who advertises she offers it.

[magnetico]

Check his previous posts : Troll. 

[wannabe]

Some escorts are cleaner than your average run of the mill female.

And some aren't.

[JV547845]

I'm gonna be the devil's advocate on this one.

Most escorts are cleaner than your average run of the mill female you would find in a club or on a dating app. This is usually because escorts take pride with safe sex and regular checks due to the nature of their work.

So when one decides she likes the look of you and decides to offer you the chance to bareback with her how do you respond?

Most escorts do indeed get tested more frequently.  Knowledgable civvy women who have known their own bodies for decades understandably can do without a patronising lecture about birth control, even though getting tested is still a good idea. 

But each STD has an incubation period - e.g. if my full scan (using a particular test for HIV for the sake of argument, they might have got better now) comes back clean, that just means I was clean as long as 2 months ago.  So yes, while responsible escorts will get tested more often, they've probably slept with a shit load more men than your average civvy has in those 2 months. 

And if they've offered bareback to you,do you really think they haven't offered it to anyone else?  You really think you are such a gentleman and a handsome devil, and not just a fat ugly cunt to them like the next man?

There's a whole fricking disgusting active 'breeding' scene out there too.  It's best to play safe for the sake of your partners or at least your future partners.

[soysauce]

I think your safe bet on barebacking would be having sex with a loaf of bread, if you are not worried about 'yeast infection'.

A safer bet would probably be barebacking with your pillow, but you might have to be prepared for a wet patch.

Alternatively, bareback with a blow up doll. You can not really go wrong as long as it is brand new and sealed when you first use it.

[munterhunter]

I'm gonna be the devil's advocate on this one.

Most escorts are cleaner than your average run of the mill female you would find in a club or on a dating app. This is usually because escorts take pride with safe sex and regular checks due to the nature of their work.

So when one decides she likes the look of you and decides to offer you the chance to bareback with her how do you respond?

The women I punt with more regularly than others are scrupulously clean washing or showering between punts encouraging punters to do the same. They are tested regularly I've had them show me texts from the gum clinic. I don't think any would consider offering bb to a punter so if you encountet a wg that does...then I think you need to question her motives and state of mind.
Take responsibility for your own sexual health rubber up and if you're married or in a relationship well if you cop for a dose of something nasty it's going to far more complicated than a trip to the clap clinic innit?

[PussyLover789]

You are not the Devil’s Advocate, you’re just a twat.

 

[oneandonly]

Offered bb by a hot rom milf, at this point id seen her 5+ times,  i shot inside her. Got myself to the clinic and thankfully all was clear!!

Id had the condom split twice on me,
Another rom, that moment when youre pounding away about to cum.. it broke!
Anal with hot polish woman, condom bust in anal!

What thrills lol

[imtheman]

That's where I'd worrying about these ultra thin condoms...are they more likely to split?

[Jamboney]

Offered bb by a hot rom milf, at this point id seen her 5+ times,  i shot inside her. Got myself to the clinic and thankfully all was clear!!

Id had the condom split twice on me,
Another rom, that moment when youre pounding away about to cum.. it broke!
Anal with hot polish woman, condom bust in anal!

What thrills lol

  was this WG any of the ones you’ve reviewed?

[oneandonly]

One of them, milf rom and polish no longer work

[Londonpunter30]

Well that didn't take long OP now banned.. lucky for me he wasn't from my region.. sounded like the rom skanks that will be you in you look clean 

[JimmySW]

That's where I'd worrying about these ultra thin condoms...are they more likely to split?

I think it's the opposite as they are higher quality, Sagami aren't latex either and are very strong indeed.

[neurosynth]

Hi all. New to ukpunting but not punting!  You may have seen me on other boards with a focus on pay for play in Germany and the Netherlands. But I'll be in the UK off and on from now on.

Here is a variation of a calculation I posted elsewhere for Germany. It is based on the best scientific measures I could find. I note that the probability of encountering an HIV infected prostitute in the UK (5%) is much higher than in Germany (0.2%). This may be an artifact of the survey method in the UK which I believe would over-represent street prostitution. In any case that daunting rate (5%) is greatly mitigated when you adjust for the difficulty of passing HIV from female to male via vaginal sex (0.04%).

Anyway here is the calculation:

HIV rate among female UK sex workers = 5% or 0.05 (500 in 10,000).

See page 15: External Link/Members Only.

HIV transmission rate for vaginal sex, female to male = 0.04% or 0.0004 (4 in 10,000).

External Link/Members Only

The probability of becoming infected via vaginal sex with a random sex worker in the UK.

= 0.05 * 0.0004 = 0.00002 = 0.002% (20 in 1,000,000).

To put that in perspective it's more likely you could flip a coin and get 12 heads in a row than contract HIV from a random sex worker in the UK.

Put another way, if you had vaginal sex every day for 10 years with a different random sex worker in the UK your probability of HIV infection would be 0.073 or 7.3%.

[Helloyou75001]

Hi all. New to ukpunting but not punting!  You may have seen me on other boards with a focus on pay for play in Germany and the Netherlands. But I'll be in the UK off and on from now on.

Here is a variation of a calculation I posted elsewhere for Germany. It is based on the best scientific measures I could find. I note that the probability of encountering an HIV infected prostitute in the UK (5%) is much higher than in Germany (0.2%). This may be an artifact of the survey method in the UK which I believe would over-represent street prostitution. In any case that daunting rate (5%) is greatly mitigated when you adjust for the difficulty of passing HIV from female to male via vaginal sex (0.04%).

Anyway here is the calculation:

HIV rate among female UK sex workers = 5% or 0.05 (500 in 10,000).

See page 15: External Link/Members Only.

HIV transmission rate for vaginal sex, female to male = 0.04% or 0.0004 (4 in 10,000).

External Link/Members Only

The probability of becoming infected via vaginal sex with a random sex worker in the UK.

= 0.05 * 0.0004 = 0.00002 = 0.002% (20 in 1,000,000).

To put that in perspective it's more likely you could flip a coin and get 12 heads in a row than contract HIV from a random sex worker in the UK.

Put another way, if you had vaginal sex every day for 10 years with a different random sex worker in the UK your probability of HIV infection would be 0.073 or 7.3%.

I'm surprised the transmission risk is so low for the penetrator.

Does it mean hiv his mostly on women and gay men?

[Fugly]

It is based on the best scientific measures I could find. I note that the probability of encountering an HIV infected prostitute in the UK (5%)

Telling the forum that 5% of UK Toms have HIV is alarmist.  This figure is from straw poll data not gathered scientifically in 2006.  You obviously didn't look that hard for robust data!

More up to date and robust data is to be found  on P30 of this report from Public Health England published in 2017  External Link/Members Only

Quoting the above report "In 2016, 4,491 sex workers eligible for HIV testing attended specialist SHS, 84% of whom were tested for HIV. This testing identified 11 HIV diagnoses (0.3% positivity)"

That's 3,772 Toms HIV tested, 11 of whom were HIV+

Whilst I choose not to BB for all sorts of reasons and I am no defender of the practice, the chances of catching HIV from a random Tom in the UK aren't 1:50,000 as the OP claimed, they are more like 1:850,000

Furthermore the data above is based on a sample of nearly 4,000 people which is a robust enough sample size from which to draw conclusions about a large population, the OP's report quotes a sample size of 120 which just isn't robust.

1 alarmist post, no punts and no intention to punt.  Troll?

[vw]

Hi all. New to ukpunting but not punting!  You may have seen me on other boards with a focus on pay for play in Germany and the Netherlands. But I'll be in the UK off and on from now on.

Here is a variation of a calculation I posted elsewhere for Germany. It is based on the best scientific measures I could find. I note that the probability of encountering an HIV infected prostitute in the UK (5%) is much higher than in Germany (0.2%). This may be an artifact of the survey method in the UK which I believe would over-represent street prostitution. In any case that daunting rate (5%) is greatly mitigated when you adjust for the difficulty of passing HIV from female to male via vaginal sex (0.04%).

Anyway here is the calculation:

HIV rate among female UK sex workers = 5% or 0.05 (500 in 10,000).

See page 15: External Link/Members Only.

HIV transmission rate for vaginal sex, female to male = 0.04% or 0.0004 (4 in 10,000).

External Link/Members Only

The probability of becoming infected via vaginal sex with a random sex worker in the UK.

= 0.05 * 0.0004 = 0.00002 = 0.002% (20 in 1,000,000).

To put that in perspective it's more likely you could flip a coin and get 12 heads in a row than contract HIV from a random sex worker in the UK.

Put another way, if you had vaginal sex every day for 10 years with a different random sex worker in the UK your probability of HIV infection would be 0.073 or 7.3%.

there are other things to avoid other than HIV that i would rather avoid too.   Much higher odds of catching them from bareback vaginal sex and generally cause more
discomfort.

Also distrust contraceptive options and have no desire to be baby daddy to a prossie. 

[NigelF]

Telling the forum that 5% of UK Toms have HIV is alarmist.  This figure is from straw poll data not gathered scientifically in 2006.  You obviously didn't look that hard for robust data!

More up to date and robust data is to be found  on P30 of this report from Public Health England published in 2017  External Link/Members Only

Quoting the above report "In 2016, 4,491 sex workers eligible for HIV testing attended specialist SHS, 84% of whom were tested for HIV. This testing identified 11 HIV diagnoses (0.3% positivity)"

That's 3,772 Toms HIV tested, 11 of whom were HIV+

Whilst I choose not to BB for all sorts of reasons and I am no defender of the practice, the chances of catching HIV from a random Tom in the UK aren't 1:50,000 as the OP claimed, they are more like 1:850,000

Furthermore the data above is based on a sample of nearly 4,000 people which is a robust enough sample size from which to draw conclusions about a large population, the OP's report quotes a sample size of 120 which just isn't robust.

1 alarmist post, no punts and no intention to punt.  Troll?

Good post. Cheers for posting as well because I was going to try to do similar after seeing his very flawed post.

[fisherofsouls]

I don't get the baby daddy thing ?

You are using a punting phone bought for cash at CEX and a PAYG only ever topped up by voucher, right ?

So how is she ever going to find you again ?

Basic security stuff really - silly not to !!!

[vw]

I don't get the baby daddy thing ?

You are using a punting phone bought for cash at CEX and a PAYG only ever topped up by voucher, right ?

So how is she ever going to find you again ?

Basic security stuff really - silly not to !!!

Well basic security makes it difficult to track down but is not infallible, basic security does nto mean you can be reckless IMO and you will always be leaving DNA. 

I would also not want to inflict a barebacking prossie as a mother to a child of mine even if she couldn't find me. 

As for basic stuff, hows your basic manners progressing?  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=188652.0   

[scutty brown]

I'm surprised the transmission risk is so low for the penetrator.

Does it mean hiv his mostly on women and gay men?

I don't trust the figures given (explained in other posts above) but it is fair to say the penetrator runs a lower risk.
That's entirely due to the higher risk of mucosal membrane tearing in the recipient: anal/rectal/vaginal tearing allowing infected semen to contact blood in the recipient. Tearing / damage to the penetrator's penis is much less likely.
The penetrator is only likely to be infected if he already has lesions / sores / cuts on his penis  e.g. from an existing infection such as syphilis, or herpes.

[mike63]

For anyone interested in how the Victorians coped in the days before condoms, you can read online any of the huge book My Secret Life by Walter. Huge amounts of washing and pissing by both parties seem to have kept both disease and pregnancy away to quite a surprising extent. I'll stick to condoms personally. External Link/Members Only .

[vw]

For anyone interested in how the Victorians coped in the days before condoms, you can read online any of the huge book My Secret Life by Walter. Huge amounts of washing and pissing by both parties seem to have kept both disease and pregnancy away to quite a surprising extent. I'll stick to condoms personally. External Link/Members Only .

Well HIV was not prevalent in victorian times

External Link/Members Only

Was a punishment from god for homosexuality if you believe some of the extreme christian loons.   

[mike63]

Sorry-the is for condoms!

[mike63]

V W- very true but gonorrhea was hard to treat and syphilis still fatal I'm pretty sure.

[vw]

V W- very true but gonorrhea was hard to treat and syphilis still fatal I'm pretty sure.

Much easier to catch gonoreah bb than it is OWO.

We all do our own risk assessments and punt according to that.

[scutty brown]

Much easier to catch gonoreah bb than it is OWO.

We all do our own risk assessments and punt according to that.

According to the one of the Consultants at the local pox clinic, gonorrhea in the throat tends to be self-limiting. Apparently the bug isn't well adapted to life in the throat / mouth and tends to die out

[vw]

According to the one of the Consultants at the local pox clinic, gonorrhea in the throat tends to be self-limiting. Apparently the bug isn't well adapted to life in the throat / mouth and tends to die out

But still capable of transmitting until it dies out.  It's a risk im happy with

[Heph]

If you are at all seriously concerned about the risks of catching something, then don't piss about with any risk at the margins of activity. This includes OWO & RO and other 'standard services' which could have a fat-tail consequence.

To believe that you are avoiding potentially serious risk by only sticking to 'safe' providers is... daft. As Smiths often points out, there are simply too many unknowns for you to place any kind of confidence in their 'reputation' as the main protector of your health.

As per some of my original early posts from 2014, my own experience, over more than 20 years of punting, is that a large percentage of WGs will engage in bb, with 'favoured' punters or in their personal lives, regardless of their declarations to the contrary. This is not upon request; includes many apparently 'classy' or 'responsible' ones, and those that give every indication they are experienced and exhibit good-practice in this business.

[Thecunninglinguist]

Many years ago when bareback was almost the norm. Quite a few times l had a good scrub with Dettol when l got home after scoring with a civvie who afterwards seemed a bit iffy!

[bhudda]

I was offered bb by an sb after we had met the grand total of 3 times. She said she trusted me not to give her anything. I said never mind that ... how can i trust you not to give me something. She replied that she always used condoms when shagging other blokes. I suspect she sajd the same to them as well.

I dont see her anymore.

[maxxblue]

I was offered bb by an sb after we had met the grand total of 3 times. She said she trusted me not to give her anything. I said never mind that ... how can i trust you not to give me something. She replied that she always used condoms when shagging other blokes. I suspect she sajd the same to them as well.

I dont see her anymore.

Who is she?

[a link would be good  ]

[Kev40ish]

Who is she?

[a link would be good  ]

Not allowed to put SA links on anywhere apart from the SA thread

[greg101]

I've never done BB with a working girl and never would.  I don't mind track marks on the arms or them shooting up between the toes before coming in the room, but BB no way.  I consider it dirty.

[demonic]

I can remember my first punting experiences with walk-ups in Soho in the mid 80's and there were always 2 prices offered - one with and one without.

This was pre the AIDS campaign and the Freddy Gutter press affect .....

I will hasten to add I always chose the with option .... 

There by the grace of god we played in that era ... much happier with the zero tolerance approach we now have

[smiths]

If you are at all seriously concerned about the risks of catching something, then don't piss about with any risk at the margins of activity. This includes OWO & RO and other 'standard services' which could have a fat-tail consequence.

To believe that you are avoiding potentially serious risk by only sticking to 'safe' providers is... daft. As Smiths often points out, there are simply too many unknowns for you to place any kind of confidence in their 'reputation' as the main protector of your health.

As per some of my original early posts from 2014, my own experience, over more than 20 years of punting, is that a large percentage of WGs will engage in bb, with 'favoured' punters or in their personal lives, regardless of their declarations to the contrary. This is not upon request; includes many apparently 'classy' or 'responsible' ones, and those that give every indication they are experienced and exhibit good-practice in this business.

My punting and I imagine many punters punting is with complete or virtual strangers, the exact risk they pose is unknown as I don't know what they might be doing and with whom. So knowing this I punt on a risk to reward basis taking the risks I am prepared to take for the rewards on offer as I see them.

I know I could get infected at any time, that's the nature of punting, sure punters can reduce their risks but there will always be A risk involved.

I also don't just blindly believe so called stats and figures about punting and getting infected etc, I don't believe enough WGs and punters are interested in giving this info out to make it accurate. I believe many WGs and punters don't go to the GUM on a regular basis.

Good point about WGs who don't advertise BB but do offer it to some of their punters for whatever reason, these are off the radar so no stats will pick them up and I believe there are a lot of them sadly. And of course many WGs are going to be doing BB with partners and/or pimps both of whom could be doing anything with anyone.

[bhudda]

Who is she?

[a link would be good  ]

She told me shes not on sa any more ... i havent been for a long time either so cant check ... black lass near the roundhouse

[maxxblue]

She told me shes not on sa any more ... i havent been for a long time either so cant check ... black lass near the roundhouse

I didn't realise it was SA you were talking about. 

[neurosynth]

Telling the forum that 5% of UK Toms have HIV is alarmist.  This figure is from straw poll data not gathered scientifically in 2006.  You obviously didn't look that hard for robust data!

More up to date and robust data is to be found  on P30 of this report from Public Health England published in 2017  External Link/Members Only

Quoting the above report "In 2016, 4,491 sex workers eligible for HIV testing attended specialist SHS, 84% of whom were tested for HIV. This testing identified 11 HIV diagnoses (0.3% positivity)"

Thanks for the better number! I did mention that I didn't trust the sampling method for the 5% statistic, and that the number in Germany is more like .2%

1 alarmist post, no punts and no intention to punt.  Troll?

Hey, I said I just got here! Didn't say I have no intention to sample the best the UK has to offer. I will. But as I noted most of my posts are on Netherlands and Germany oriented boards, and my travel to the UK is just getting started. I did have a short visit about a year ago and checked out the Phoenix club. A good time, but a bit too long ago to report on now.

Troll? Well I guess we all have our alarmist moments. 

[scutty brown]

.....................Troll? Well I guess we all have our alarmist moments. 

You still here?
No, we don't all have alarmist trolling moments. And most of those new members who do arrive and start spouting bollocks about venereal diseases tend not survive as members beyond their second posts.
Discussions re STI/STD issues have been repeated on this forum ad nauseum for years and we don't need another thread about it.
If you want to talk about fucking prostitutes, then fuck a few, post your reviews and we can all talk about them. If you want to talk about diseases, piss off to another website

[neurosynth]

To update the original post with the .3% positive rate:

= 0.003 * 0.0004 = 0.0000012 = 0.00012% (1.2 in 1,000,000) chance of infection with a random UK sex worker.

To put that in perspective it's more likely you could flip a coin and get 19 heads in a row than contract HIV from a random sex worker in the UK.

Put another way, if you had vaginal sex every day for 20 years with a different random sex worker in the UK your probability of HIV infection would be 0.00876 or 0.876%.

[scutty brown]

To update the original post with the .3% positive rate:

= 0.003 * 0.0004 = 0.0000012 = 0.00012% (1.2 in 1,000,000) chance of infection with a random UK sex worker.

To put that in perspective it's more likely you could flip a coin and get 19 heads in a row than contract HIV from a random sex worker in the UK.

Put another way, if you had vaginal sex every day for 20 years with a different random sex worker in the UK your probability of HIV infection would be 0.00876 or 0.876%.

You don't get clues do you?

[neurosynth]

Our posts crossed in real time. I'm sorry my posts have offended you.

I was looking for bareback info for my own use, came across this thread, and since I've posted reviews and conversations in depth on other boards, I thought I'd add to this conversation.

I'll not post again until I have reviews to post.

[bhudda]

To update the original post with the .3% positive rate:

= 0.003 * 0.0004 = 0.0000012 = 0.00012% (1.2 in 1,000,000) chance of infection with a random UK sex worker.

To put that in perspective it's more likely you could flip a coin and get 19 heads in a row than contract HIV from a random sex worker in the UK.

Put another way, if you had vaginal sex every day for 20 years with a different random sex worker in the UK your probability of HIV infection would be 0.00876 or 0.876%.

OK so the chances of catching HIV are small - we know that. If and when I ever infect my Mrs with syphilis I will tell her it could have been worse, I haven't given you aids - I'm sure she'll be OK after that.

[Shortandsensible]

Never done B.B. with a escort and never will. And tbh the last time I received owo I stopped half way through, asked if I could put a condom on & shag her (even though my original plan was to cim then  sex again after)  And it was nothing at all personal about her. She seemed fine/normal. But even receiving owo off a seemingly clean girl with good reputation is becoming more and more unappealing. Think I’ll move to rubber on everything and no R.O soon. Just a personal opinion.