How many Escorts out there actually have pimps?

[Racey_Lane]

When I hear the word 'Pimp' I think of a bloke in a funny hat with a wad of money sticking out. I hear it all the time 'Where's your pimp?' or 'I bet he's your pimp' etc....

If a working girl has a boyfriend it is assumed that they are being pimped out by them, from what I have experienced. Infact if any male, be they friend or relative are detected by clients they too are deemed to be pimps!

[Daffodil]

When I hear the word 'Pimp' I think of a bloke in a funny hat with a wad of money sticking out. I hear it all the time 'Where's your pimp?' or 'I bet he's your pimp' etc....

If a working girl has a boyfriend it is assumed that they are being pimped out by them, from what I have experienced. Infact if any male, be they friend or relative are detected by clients they too are deemed to be pimps!

I don't assume a boyfriend is a pimp, I'm more likely to assume he is a ponce 

If there is another man in a working premises what the fuck are we expected to think? It's pretty unprofessional to have a guy there who has nothing to do with the whoring. 'Oh, that's just my bro/dad/uncle. He pops round sometimes to use the playstation'. 

[Sailormack]

I don't assume a boyfriend is a pimp, I'm more likely to assume he is a ponce 

If there is another man in a working premises what the fuck are we expected to think? It's pretty unprofessional to have a guy there who has nothing to do with the whoring. 'Oh, that's just my bro/dad/uncle. He pops round sometimes to use the playstation'. 

Or even worse, a journo from The Sun, wanting to do a post shag interview and a few photos for the late edition 

[Hellraiser]

In my view, any prostitute who isn't fully independent and has to share her earnings is being pimped out.

Boyfriends, House of Divine, Lady Marmalade Parties, Maxes Angels, any whore providing agency etc, etc... all pimps.

[smiths]

When I hear the word 'Pimp' I think of a bloke in a funny hat with a wad of money sticking out. I hear it all the time 'Where's your pimp?' or 'I bet he's your pimp' etc....

If a working girl has a boyfriend it is assumed that they are being pimped out by them, from what I have experienced. Infact if any male, be they friend or relative are detected by clients they too are deemed to be pimps!

Its not just guys who are pimps, if you want to call a female a madame fair enough but they do the same thing of course.

Many WGs have a pimp or madame, that includes ALL WGs that work at Agencies, Parlours and Parties as well as some, who knows how many on A/W who advertise as Indies but arent.

And literally ANY WG could be being coerced by say their partner for all a punter would know. So its a very widespread thing and has been for years and will be for many more years in my view for a variety of reasons. The fact is some WGs prefer to be pimped and only have to turn up as agreed with the pimp laying on their punters after advertising them on their sites. For some WGs handing over a third to a half of their fees to a pimp is worth it to them.

None of this is a problem to me although if a pimp gets nicked they should of thought about that as a possibility, where it would be a problem is if the WG was being forced to be a WG which is wholly wrong and i hope such low life pimps get done.

[James999]

I don't assume a boyfriend is a pimp, I'm more likely to assume he is a ponce 

I agree

And these "boyfriends" often use the money she earns to pay for them to shag other pro$$ies 

[bilbobaggins]

When I hear the word 'Pimp' I think of a bloke in a funny hat with a wad of money sticking out. I hear it all the time 'Where's your pimp?' or 'I bet he's your pimp' etc....

If a working girl has a boyfriend it is assumed that they are being pimped out by them, from what I have experienced. Infact if any male, be they friend or relative are detected by clients they too are deemed to be pimps!

Am I the only punter who hates the thought of a WG giving any of her money to a pimp?
I completely hate the idea of a WG having any involvement with a man who takes a cut of her money.

Some guys say "I only rent the flat to her and drive her to bookings for a fee", therefore I'm not a pimp.
Anyone who helps a prostitute work with premises or driving is legally a pimp, even if the WG isn't forced.
Of course this guy can exert pressure, if you don't get enough clients I will get someone else etc.

When I have done booking, I try to get a hotel and I say to the WG "I want you to come by taxi."
I want no involement with any driver or pimp of any kind.

Of course I have had recent problems with a pimp.  He did nothing of any use.  Things could easily have been resolved between me and the WG, but this guy insisted on stirring things and causing shit!

I think any WG should be minded to not work with any guy or pimp.  I think another WG or woman who rents a flat is less bad. 

[vorian]

Am I the only punter who hates the thought of a WG giving any of her money to a pimp?
I completely hate the idea of a WG having any involvement with a man who takes a cut of her money.

Some guys say "I only rent the flat to her and drive her to bookings for a fee", therefore I'm not a pimp.
Anyone who helps a prostitute work with premises or driving is legally a pimp, even if the WG isn't forced.
Of course this guy can exert pressure, if you don't get enough clients I will get someone else etc.

When I have done booking, I try to get a hotel and I say to the WG "I want you to come by taxi."
I want no involement with any driver or pimp of any kind.

Of course I have had recent problems with a pimp.  He did nothing of any use.  Things could easily have been resolved between me and the WG, but this guy insisted on stirring things and causing shit!

I think any WG should be minded to not work with any guy or pimp.  I think another WG or woman who rents a flat is less bad.

I could not care less what a prossies does outside of my paid time it is none of my business. I am concerned about the service I get for my money.

Why would a punter be concerned about anything else, I'm not there to save her from her pimp/ponce/boyfriend/madam etc, I am there to fuck her and leave after I fuck her. Bilbo you are trying to make connections which should not exist.

[wanaka]

If they pay tax then the Government is a pimp. LoL

[smiths]

Am I the only punter who hates the thought of a WG giving any of her money to a pimp?
I completely hate the idea of a WG having any involvement with a man who takes a cut of her money.

Some guys say "I only rent the flat to her and drive her to bookings for a fee", therefore I'm not a pimp.
Anyone who helps a prostitute work with premises or driving is legally a pimp, even if the WG isn't forced.
Of course this guy can exert pressure, if you don't get enough clients I will get someone else etc.

When I have done booking, I try to get a hotel and I say to the WG "I want you to come by taxi."
I want no involement with any driver or pimp of any kind.

Of course I have had recent problems with a pimp.  He did nothing of any use.  Things could easily have been resolved between me and the WG, but this guy insisted on stirring things and causing shit!

I think any WG should be minded to not work with any guy or pimp.  I think another WG or woman who rents a flat is less bad.

I posted my views above but the fact is as a punter you cant know for definite whether ANY WG is being coerced by say her partner who is her pimp or ponce.

You can of course avoid punting at Parlours, Agencies and Parties though of course. I take a pragmatic approach to punting myself so do punt through Parlours and Parties though not Agencies anymore. What a WG decides to do with the money i give her is her business and not mine.

[Jason]

Strictly speaking all girls who give part of their earnings to a third party for escort related reasons (even if this is their boyfriend who provides protection) are pimped. As such agencies and parlours are by the strict definition pimps but I met many girls who PREFER working for agencies and parlours (e.g. because they do not have to deal with timewasters, protection etc). Also many girls in AW work in shared premises managed by pimps who every month take part of their earnings for providing them the premises. (nb the pimp is also responsible for bringing girls into the flat (but these girls work at their will)).

I would however say that a girl is “mostly independent” (as opposed to truly independent) if she:
(i) arranges her own schedule and works whenever she wants
(ii) the meetings are arranged directly with her over the phone or email without the intervention of a third party
(iii) she is happy doing this job

Almost all non-British WGs are by the strict definition “pimped” but many are “mostly independent”. Most British girls are truly independent (except of course those working in agencies/parlours/parties).

[Hellraiser]

Am I the only punter who hates the thought of a WG giving any of her money to a pimp?
I completely hate the idea of a WG having any involvement with a man who takes a cut of her money.

You are such a fucking fluffy, I want to slap you across your kind, caring face!

WHO GIVES A FUCK WHO THEY GIVE THEIR FUCKING MONEY TOO??

If they're not giving it to their pimp, then their pissing it up on weed or in Harrods, buying Louboutin shoes, Gucci bags and other overpriced shit they don't need.

Stop being such a pathetic pussy with your soft attitudes to whores. You go in, you pay the prossie her money, you fuck her cunt, and that's it! None of this 'Oh boo hoo, pimp is getting her money' bullshit. NOT YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM!!!

[vorian]

You are such a fucking fluffy, I want to slap you across your kind, caring face!

WHO GIVES A FUCK WHO THEY GIVE THEIR FUCKING MONEY TOO??

If they're not giving it to their pimp, then their pissing it up on weed or in Harrods, buying Louboutin shoes, Gucci bags and other overpriced shit they don't need.

Stop being such a pathetic pussy with your soft attitudes to whores. You go in, you pay the prossie her money, you fuck her cunt, and that's it! None of this 'Oh boo hoo, pimp is getting her money' bullshit. NOT YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM!!!

HR for god sake spit it out man, don't beat around the bush, he doesn't need it sugar coated 

Honestly I think you and SirFrank are the best posters at the moment I always look forward to your comments 

[bilbobaggins]

My problem with pimps is when they cause me trouble.  No pimp, no trouble!
Also sometimes girls can be more concerned with pleasing the pimp than the client.
Also some pimps think they really are wonderful, really pisses me off.

[Panda Power]

Am I the only punter who hates the thought of a WG giving any of her money to a pimp?
I completely hate the idea of a WG having any involvement with a man who takes a cut of her money.

Some guys say "I only rent the flat to her and drive her to bookings for a fee", therefore I'm not a pimp.
Anyone who helps a prostitute work with premises or driving is legally a pimp, even if the WG isn't forced.
Of course this guy can exert pressure, if you don't get enough clients I will get someone else etc.

When I have done booking, I try to get a hotel and I say to the WG "I want you to come by taxi."
I want no involement with any driver or pimp of any kind.

Of course I have had recent problems with a pimp.  He did nothing of any use.  Things could easily have been resolved between me and the WG, but this guy insisted on stirring things and causing shit!

I think any WG should be minded to not work with any guy or pimp.  I think another WG or woman who rents a flat is less bad.

You say you tell a taxi driver to take her to your hotel, is he supposed to do this for free because otherwise he will by your lights be a pimp. If she wants to work from somewhere and offer in call must she pay for the place in full, because using your definition any building society or landlord will be a pimp.

Are you as a generous client saying you should buy her premises to work from and not pay frent, maybe buy a car, tax it, insure it and put fuel in it to drive her to jobs free of charge. Or is this something can only be done by women because we do live in an age of equal opportunities.

As asked before by White Russian are you the guy kicked off another board, not Prossienet, for repeatedly breaking rules. If so you're the man who admits to being conned by a prostitute out of £80,000, hard to give you any sympathy if you then let another one take you for £5,000. By the sound of it you had it easy from the second one. Maybe as others have suggested you're not cut out for this hobby?     

[whiterussian]

sorry folks but I firmly believe Bilbo has little birdies tweeting around in his head.  grade A cuckoo.

It seems because hes been banned from auto-censored he has a lot of rope here before the obvious will happen.  we will see...

[whiterussian]

I doubt a lot of what Bilbo posts, its hard to see the wood for the trees

[Daffodil]

sorry folks but I firmly believe Bilbo has little birdies tweeting around in his head.  grade A cuckoo.

It seems because hes been banned from auto-censored he has a lot of rope here before the obvious will happen.  we will see...

He sounds like an absolute loon. If he is genuine then he needs to get a grip and quick.

Am I right in thinking he has not responded to the question that he was whoever on auto-censored? Odd that he chooses to ignore the question, several times, neither confirming or denying it.

[londonmaxxy]

Not seen all the history on this one & his posts seem highly erratic but the girl in question seems like a real loose cannon on her twitter account- I wouldn't let her near any of my details.

[cunnyhunt]

sorry folks but I firmly believe Bilbo has little birdies tweeting around in his head.  grade A cuckoo.

It seems because hes been banned from auto-censored he has a lot of rope here before the obvious will happen.  we will see...

You are correct in your assumption, there are several mental issues going on with him by his posting style.

Just a matter of time...

[vorian]

You are correct in your assumption, there are several mental issues going on with him by his posting style.

Just a matter of time...

Does sound like he might have Aspergers to some degree, he has a strange emotionless and naive, style of writing.

Also it seems he cannot understand why people react in a way different to his expectations, his emotional empathy seems almost non-existence. Talking to his female colleague about punting again is naive and he would be confusing her ridicule as concern. Bilbo will struggle with reading people in any social setting paid or not.

[Dani]

My problem with pimps is when they cause me trouble.  No pimp, no trouble!
Also sometimes girls can be more concerned with pleasing the pimp than the client.
Also some pimps think they really are wonderful, really pisses me off.

A pimp would be stupid to even let you know he was around and don't cause punters trouble for no reason.  It would be stupid if they did as they would lose money.  People only tend to know about them when they cause trouble of some kind for one of his prossies as he will then let himself be known.  Normally by throwing the punter out or if the punter turns stalker having a quiet word in his ear (with a baseball bat or piece of 4by2.
Thousands of punters punt with prossies who have a pimp and never have to meet him or even know about him.  Some girls prefer to have a pimp as they deal with the undesirable clients

If you have problems with a pimp then perhaps you should look at why?  They just don't cause trouble for no reason

[Strawberry]

I have a jolly good idea Bilbo is the banned poster from auto-censored.

I also think that there is also always the possibility that anyone within a mile of any prossy who appears to be having trouble with a client might just try and help her. Having a male friend (or male friend who knows what you do) contact any would be stalker is a recommended tactic to scare off anyone who may be giving you grief. Personally I'd go from me (and I can growl) straight to the police in such a matter, because I'm one of those "I don't need a bloke" types and it implies I can't stick up for myself, however I do sometimes wish the occasional odd ball who has turned up had done so just at the time a male friend or relation was in the vicinity.

If someone tells me how I'm going to be transported to an outcall, unless it's useful advice such as train times then alarm bells are ringing. How I get there, how I stay safe is none of his business and doesn't affect his time with me (infact if I have someone else drive me I usually feel a lot more relaxed because I'm not worrying about having to get home, it's all sorted).

Interesting that Bilbo says "they cause me trouble", I'm wondering if he's had these experiences before and I also feel ladies he's met who don't have so called pimps who tell him to back off might have been driven right to the end of their tether with him. Most blokes punt and go, no hassles whatsoever.

[jcdmj12]

I have a jolly good idea Bilbo is the banned poster from auto-censored.

I also think that there is also always the possibility that anyone within a mile of any prossy who appears to be having trouble with a client might just try and help her. Having a male friend (or male friend who knows what you do) contact any would be stalker is a recommended tactic to scare off anyone who may be giving you grief. Personally I'd go from me (and I can growl) straight to the police in such a matter, because I'm one of those "I don't need a bloke" types and it implies I can't stick up for myself, however I do sometimes wish the occasional odd ball who has turned up had done so just at the time a male friend or relation was in the vicinity.

If someone tells me how I'm going to be transported to an outcall, unless it's useful advice such as train times then alarm bells are ringing. How I get there, how I stay safe is none of his business and doesn't affect his time with me (infact if I have someone else drive me I usually feel a lot more relaxed because I'm not worrying about having to get home, it's all sorted).

Interesting that Bilbo says "they cause me trouble", I'm wondering if he's had these experiences before and I also feel ladies he's met who don't have so called pimps who tell him to back off might have been driven right to the end of their tether with him. Most blokes punt and go, no hassles whatsoever.

The more I read bilbo's posts, the more I fear we're going to see him on crimewatch.   

[bilbobaggins]

A person is a pimp if they arrange accommodation or transport for a WG.  If someone takes money from a WG he or she is a pimp.  Taking money in those circumstances is a criminal offence.

A landlord who rented a property to a WG without knowing what she did isn't a pimp.  Likewise a taxi driver who drives a WG as a normal customer isn't a pimp. 

People who run a business providing accommodation or driving for WGs are pimps. English law.  They can be male or female.  In my opionion a male who does this is a lowlife. 

Also if a WG lies to a punter and steals thousands she isn't likely to be friendly when the punter asks for the money back!  It has been known for WGs to play several punters at the same time, promising long term benefits.  Those WGs are totally heartless and evil and can never be trusted. 

I have learnt my lesson and always expect a fair service for the money paid.  I would never buy someone expensive presents.

[bilbobaggins]

A pimp would be stupid to even let you know he was around and don't cause punters trouble for no reason.  It would be stupid if they did as they would lose money.  People only tend to know about them when they cause trouble of some kind for one of his prossies as he will then let himself be known.  Normally by throwing the punter out or if the punter turns stalker having a quiet word in his ear (with a baseball bat or piece of 4by2.
Thousands of punters punt with prossies who have a pimp and never have to meet him or even know about him.  Some girls prefer to have a pimp as they deal with the undesirable clients

If you have problems with a pimp then perhaps you should look at why?  They just don't cause trouble for no reason

Pimps don't like WGs adding clients to Facebook.  They don't want anyone to know their name.  Problems started with Facebook. 

[bilbobaggins]

I have a jolly good idea Bilbo is the banned poster from auto-censored.

I also think that there is also always the possibility that anyone within a mile of any prossy who appears to be having trouble with a client might just try and help her. Having a male friend (or male friend who knows what you do) contact any would be stalker is a recommended tactic to scare off anyone who may be giving you grief. Personally I'd go from me (and I can growl) straight to the police in such a matter, because I'm one of those "I don't need a bloke" types and it implies I can't stick up for myself, however I do sometimes wish the occasional odd ball who has turned up had done so just at the time a male friend or relation was in the vicinity.

If someone tells me how I'm going to be transported to an outcall, unless it's useful advice such as train times then alarm bells are ringing. How I get there, how I stay safe is none of his business and doesn't affect his time with me (infact if I have someone else drive me I usually feel a lot more relaxed because I'm not worrying about having to get home, it's all sorted).

Interesting that Bilbo says "they cause me trouble", I'm wondering if he's had these experiences before and I also feel ladies he's met who don't have so called pimps who tell him to back off might have been driven right to the end of their tether with him. Most blokes punt and go, no hassles whatsoever.

I object to a WG being driven by a pimp. I want her to keep as much money from the booking.  A taxi was far cheaper.  A WG I knew well once told me she hated the guy who owned Chesterfields, and she left.  Obviously all blokes who organise any prostitutes are always loved by them all.  Get real.

Does any man take a share of your income Strawberry, I doubt it?

[vorian]

As I said Asperger, nothing can be done as Bilbo cannot visualise anyone else's point of view apart from his own. It is pointless to engage as he is not looking for ideas or debate. He is only looking for agreement anything else will not be accepted as a valid point of view by him and thus he will ignore it.

[Dani]

driving for WGs are pimps. English law.  They can be male or female.  In my opionion a male who does this is a lowlife. 

Completely wrong actually.  We can hire drivers without them being pimps and it is not illegal as we are hiring them.  Same as we can employ a maid to answer our phone or clean our apartment if only one prossie is on the premises and we can also legally hire security to be on the premises too.

To state all drivers are pimps and then to falsely claim that is English law is beyond STUPID.

[Dani]

Pimps don't like WGs adding clients to Facebook.  They don't want anyone to know their name.  Problems started with Facebook.

From what I can see and with your belief that everyone else is wrong and you are right I can bet the problems started with you.  You sound like the very worst type of client, the type most of us actively avoid.  I would rather sit in boiling water than have a client with your thought processes or lack of them

[Strawberry]

I object to a WG being driven by a pimp. I want her to keep as much money from the booking.  A taxi was far cheaper.  A WG I knew well once told me she hated the guy who owned Chesterfields, and she left.  Obviously all blokes who organise any prostitutes are always loved by them all.  Get real.

Does any man take a share of your income Strawberry, I doubt it?

I chose to pay someone else for their services that is up to me, male or female and I have firm boundaries in place. Last year I went out of my way to see someone who had been wanting to see me for a long time, the journey and hotel cost (I got there under my own steam) meant I only just broke even. I only kept a small amount from that booking because I chose to pay for the room and transport, but he was happy, and I happily saw him. As far as I'm aware he didn't worry his head too much. So long as we've agreed the booking fee my costs are not his concern you can't be sure who is giving what to whom.

What I see is a form of control from you, dictating how a WG should operate. It's up to her, if she likes being organised, or willing accepts a lift over a taxi that is up to her. Taxis can be difficult if you don't know when the booking is going to end, or if you don't want to be stood around waiting.

[vorian]

Completely wrong actually.  We can hire drivers without them being pimps and it is not illegal as we are hiring them.  Same as we can employ a maid to answer our phone or clean our apartment if only one prossie is on the premises and we can also legally hire security to be on the premises too.

To state all drivers are pimps and then to falsely claim that is English law is beyond STUPID.

It's beyond stupid Dani as Bilbo it not able to mentally make connections outside of his point of view. To him all drivers are pimps and that is a truth and a fact. He is not capable of changing his mind.

[jcdmj12]

Bilbo, WTF are you talking about?

The two offences related to pimping are Controlling Prostitution for Gain, and Brothelkeeping.  Escort Agenies are covered by the former, Massage Parlours by the latter. Neither of those cover drivers, or security, as long as there is no element of incitement or cause on behalf of the third party.  A driver isn't a pimp by any legal or commonly understood definition of the word.

An important reason that WGs like having a driver is that they can pre-agree security arrangements with them. Of course, they're often not going to tell you that because part of the security benefit would be lost on them. 

I know that if I was going into risky situation with person(s) unknown, I'd rather pay £40 to someone who has my back in a matter of minutes rather than praying for Habib's £7 Rent-a-Cab to turn up whilst I was trying to fend off a bunny boiler.

Personally, I think it's reassuring to know a WG has her security sorted, because as we've seen in the tragic news stories recently, Bad Things Can Happen to those who don't, and nobody wants to get caught up in a police investigation.

[Strawberry]

Bilbo, WTF are you talking about?

The two offences related to pimping are Controlling Prostitution for Gain, and Brothelkeeping.  Escort Agenies are covered by the former, Massage Parlours by the latter. Neither of those cover drivers, or security, as long as there is no element of incitement or cause on behalf of the third party.  A driver isn't a pimp by any legal or commonly understood definition of the word.

An important reason that WGs like having a driver is that they can pre-agree security arrangements with them. Of course, they're often not going to tell you that because part of the security benefit would be lost on them. 

I know that if I was going into risky situation with person(s) unknown, I'd rather pay £40 to someone who has my back in a matter of minutes rather than praying for Habib's £7 Rent-a-Cab to turn up whilst I was trying to fend off a bunny boiler.

Exactly. Of course in Bilbo's situation they both knew a lot about each other, although I'm not sure if that would make it any safer or not!

[bilbobaggins]

So are you saying a driver sits outside a hotel for 17 hours during a long booking?
So why do the WGs allow me to tie them up and also gag them? 
I take photos too and they have used them on their profiles!

They fucking trust me! Parlour girls have even offered to meet outside the parlour because they get all the money.  I don't want a middleman, I want to pay the WG direct.  I save money.

I tell you what there is a punting apartheid!  If you don't suck up to certain ideas or people you get abused.

   

[jcdmj12]

Tell me, bilbo, have any of these girls 'nipped to the loo' whilst on these 17 hour bookings? If so, they've had ample chance to check in with their security.

Of course, you may be right, and these girls don't have security arrangements... in which case, I'd say they're being reckless with their safety and personally I'd stay away from them.  Obviously that's not your choice though.

[Strawberry]

I'm really scared now.

I thought you wanted the woman to get the most money, now you say it's because you want to pay less. Sometimes people do things because it seems like a good idea at the time, or because they are being paid, or because someone knows where they are.

You have no way of seeing anyone else's point of view, and this could cause you a lot of problems in a lot of situations as it already has.

[Dani]

They fucking trust me!

No they don't.  Independent prossies would not allow it with you unless they had a friend in another room you were perhaps unaware of, Oh and please don't say No they didn't as you would not even be aware unless you searched their work place first). The girls you see seem to have pimps (as you seem to have a problem with pimps coming after you) so they may act like they do but believe me we don't trust anyone that much.  The only people who would completely trust a punter or a prossie are those who do not care what happens to themselves.  Those who like to take risks.  Those who find it exciting that they may get hurt.  No self respecting person would trust a total stranger with their own well being.  It is common sense for anyone not to trust someone they barely know.

[whiterussian]

why are people still bothering with bilbo?  (he's on a par with Brian)

[bilbobaggins]

I pay as much as I can afford. I don't want to pay extra.
I know you wouldn't do certain things other girls do, so you have no right to comment.

[Strawberry]

I pay as much as I can afford. I don't want to pay extra.
I know you wouldn't do certain things other girls do, so you have no right to comment.

Are both these sentences pointed at me?

[Jimmyredcab]

WHO GIVES A FUCK WHO THEY GIVE THEIR FUCKING MONEY TOO??

I care, I don't want my money paying for Winston's BMW.   

[Jimmyredcab]

So why do the WGs allow me to tie them up and also gag them? 


 

That would be very rare in my experience.

[smiths]

why are people still bothering with bilbo?  (he's on a par with Brian)

On a par with RAT who is no doubt now (i hope for mankinds sake) in a mental health unit securely fastened in a straight jacket barking to the moon. Feeding these mentalists does no one any favours including them.