Massage H/E reviews

[shyboy1]

This isn’t really a criticism, just something I’ve been pondering.
It seems to me that for the last few months the reviews sections have started to be dominated by Massage H/E meets.
Absolutely fair enough if that’s your thing but does this service really count as a Punt?
Also does this mean the full service punt is dying out, in favour of massage meets?
I mostly follow the W/Mids board so apologies if it’s not a nation wide trend but I have noticed this on other area boards also.
It’s not really important I suppose but just wondering if anyone else has noticed this and should us full service Punters be worried about the effects on real SP numbers.
SB

[Astarter]

Even before the times Mary had a virgin birth child called Jesus, prostitutes have been knocking around and I'm sure massages with HE have been around just as long.

No, full services punts are not dying out.

I think the general consensus is that if you're getting your dick out and getting milked dry by another human being then this is the site to let everyone know..

Hope I have helped further your own awareness of the fact that your post is "not really important".

[Home Alone]

I wouldn't say "dominated", shyboy; but I've noticed a definite trend to discussion of Massage Services & SPs on the North West Discussion Board. I was talking the other day to someone who's given up punting, doesn't come on here any more and was surprised when I mentioned that trend.

Thai/Chinese massage doesn't appeal to me. I understand that it's different from the 'massage' that FS practitioners offer - at least I hope it is! - which I've said in at least one of my Reviews on here I regard as a waste of the time I've paid for. But there again there's quite a lot of what some FS providers offer which doesn't appeal to me, either. So for me, it's a case of live and let live; I can see a connection to FS so let's let those who really enjoy that service report on it on here.

[daviemac]

Why does a massage with or without a HE have to be classed as a punt. UKP is an escort and massage review site and forum, that coupled with some rule tweaks means maybe more members are reviewing massages. Same with any topic if you have no interest just ignore it.   

As an aside, the massage thread in the NE is about the biggest open thread on the site with 8500 posts and 1.3 million views so quite popular there. Still loads of escort reviews though.

[Astarter]

I know my post was not the most helpful shyboy but if the masses are writing about fs or massages with HE, reviewing and everyone's happy then it's clearly all good and well. If it's not broken then it doesn't need fixed.

For all its worth, I do see a fs punt and a massage with HE as separate things. All too often though, it's a grey area with girls who delve in to both but maybe only for regular clients or give up fs but move on to massage services only etc...

[G.Raff]

FS and Massage with He are two very different experiences and scratch different itches IMO.
I might be wrong, but I think an older punter would find a Massage with HE more appealing than a younger one.

[Waterhouse]

FS and Massage with He are two very different experiences and scratch different itches IMO.
I might be wrong, but I think an older punter would find a Massage with HE more appealing than a younger one.

Speak for yourself. I graduated from having the rare massage with HE from between 30 to 50, to where I'm at now in my early 50s seeing a gorgeous lady very regularly for all sorts of fabulous delights other than massage.  In fact it was a very short progression in my case.

In my view, and outside of fetish/Domme/BDSM meets, massage with HE leads to FBSM/Tantric/B2B which in turn leads to full on services outside of anything massage related. 

Of course that's not to say some folk simply prefer the massage bookings, I just think most of us are wired to want to experience more and more new delights once we get a taste of something good and graduate on from there - a bit like when you got your first car and wanting something faster and sleeker for your next one, then wanting something flasher and up from that the next time.

Like I said, not all of us are like that, but I suspect more are than aren't.
 

[daviemac]

FS and Massage with He are two very different experiences and scratch different itches IMO.

Totally agree, for me if I want a massage then the quality of the massage is the most important thing so I go to a qualified masseuse, anything else is an extra, I don't have a problem if there's no HE, (welcome though it is) I've had what I went for.

If I want a shag then I see an escort who's good (hopefully) at shagging. Two very different things though.

[Waterhouse]

Totally agree, for me if I want a massage then the quality of the massage is the most important thing so I go to a qualified masseuse, anything else is an extra, I don't have a problem if there's no HE, (welcome though it is) I've had what I went for.

If I want a shag then I see an escort who's good (hopefully) at shagging. Two very different things though.

Spot on.  I regularly see a bonafide masseuse with qualifications pouring out of ears, it's the only way if you want some decent deep tissue/relaxation therapy.

Leave each speciality the respective specialists and experts.

[Doc Holliday]

The massage with HE sector of the market has indeed seen considerable steady growth over the last decade with correspondingly more reports on forums. This in turn helps promote the market further,

That doesn't necessarily mean there has been a decline in other sectors just that the former has become extremely popular.

[Mac Miller]

Spot on.  I regularly see a bonafide masseuse with qualifications pouring out of ears, it's the only way if you want some decent deep tissue/relaxation therapy.

Leave each speciality the respective specialists and experts.

Agree with you chaps definitely. I just posted a review on this and I spoiled the overall experience of probably the best Massage I ever had by getting greedy and asking for a happy ending.

[shyboy1]

Had a quick count of my area review page and made it about 23 massage meets out of a total of 49 reviews, that’s quite a big proportion and definitely higher than it used to be, as I said at the start there’s nothing wrong with that I just find it interesting and wondered if anyone else had noticed the trend. 
Thanks for your opinions 

[chipsdigme]

Maybe the rise in popularity in massage with HE comes from the fact the price of punting seems to be going north. Massages with HE are a cheaper way of getting the same effect for less with stress relieving thrown in in the form of the massage.

[GingerNuts]

Maybe the rise in popularity in massage with HE comes from the fact the price of punting seems to be going north. Massages with HE are a cheaper way of getting the same effect for less with stress relieving thrown in in the form of the massage.

Indeed: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=247179.0

If you're lucky a massage can turn into FS for a very reasonable price: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=244339.0

[shyboy1]

Maybe the rise in popularity in massage with HE comes from the fact the price of punting seems to be going north. Massages with HE are a cheaper way of getting the same effect for less with stress relieving thrown in in the form of the massage.

That’s definitely a possibility Mr Chips.
The price for fs is getting a bit silly lately, one new girl who caught my eye was asking £420 for two hours!
Even for the most experienced and well reviewed sp that would be a crazy price to pay but for a newbie with zero reviews?
Good service with an attractive girl for around £100/hr is very hard to find now. I was usually prepared to pay up to £270 for my preferred 2 hours of fun but that now seems to have crept up over the £300 mark.
I may have to give a massage meet a try, see if it satisfies the urge. I wonder how the guys with wife’s/partners manage with the problem of the oils used, even after a shower they must leave a trace, either a scent or just unusually soft skin, I would have thought this would be hard to hide from a partner.
The dog would definitely know I’d been up to mischief.!!
SB

[Pete556]

That’s definitely a possibility Mr Chips.
The price for fs is getting a bit silly lately, one new girl who caught my eye was asking £420 for two hours!
Even for the most experienced and well reviewed sp that would be a crazy price to pay but for a newbie with zero reviews?
Good service with an attractive girl for around £100/hr is very hard to find now. I was usually prepared to pay up to £270 for my preferred 2 hours of fun but that now seems to have crept up over the £300 mark.
I may have to give a massage meet a try, see if it satisfies the urge. I wonder how the guys with wife’s/partners manage with the problem of the oils used, even after a shower they must leave a trace, either a scent or just unusually soft skin, I would have thought this would be hard to hide from a partner.
The dog would definitely know I’d been up to mischief.!!
SB

Oils can indeed be a problem.  I have just made a habbit of showering each eve whether I've had a massage or not so that it's not seen as unusual. The oils can rub off onto bed linen which is where it can show up and potentially catch you out.

[BogBog1]

I've only been to one provider of 'massage with HE'. A very petite Asian lady in Bristol, through Vivastreet (External Link/Members Only - obviously the pics are fake but the lady in question was older - still a banging body though). I did it out of interest, really. Anyway, it resulted in one of the most intense orgasms I've ever had - loved it. In fact loved it so much I went back a few weeks later, and it was just as good. I think it was the anticipation - she didn't go anywhere near Little Zakk for at least 20 minutes, but when she did (I was on my front), she asked me to lift my arse up in the air, and she started playing with my balls with her hands and then - VERY lightly - with her tongue.... I thought I was going to explode right there and then. It didn't take long.
Haven't been back since, but writing about it now, I think I will return. 

[Ipman1973]

I've only been to one provider of 'massage with HE'. A very petite Asian ...it resulted in one of the most intense orgasms I've ever had -

Nice to see a seasoned punter have that eureka moment.  Seen some comments about the validity of massage being proper "punting ". ...it can be very special..and for the hippies amongst us almost transcendental at orgasm.  .( No angelboy emoji ?)

[latecomer]

Yes, there are definitely more reports on massage with H/E and no doubt more of us - particularly older punters - are enjoying them.  If I just want relief it's very much "safe sex" and the price of FS does seem to be increasing.  As for whether it's a "proper" punt or not, I imagine most of us couldn't care less.  There is a place for both of course and the intimacy of having sex with a nice looking girl is fantastic.

[tintin100]

I do get the impression most of the massage HE reviews are posted by much older punters. I remember a few reviews raving Mei of Stevenage and Rachael from Ego's, to me they are old dogs. I would put Mei in her 50's easily with a absolutely disgusting belly and Rachael with a tummy tuck and a massive ass and thighs and looks nothing like her pictures. I haven't done any reviews because I know if I had posted a negative reviews on here, there will be white knights on a charge in here. BTW I don't consider HE as a punt.

[shyboy1]

I do get the impression most of the massage HE reviews are posted by much older punters. I remember a few reviews raving Mei of Stevenage and Rachael from Ego's, to me they are old dogs. I would put Mei in her 50's easily with a absolutely disgusting belly and Rachael with a tummy tuck and a massive ass and thighs and looks nothing like her pictures. I haven't done any reviews because I know if I had posted a negative reviews on here, there will be white knights on a charge in here. BTW I don't consider HE as a punt.

You’re right, quite a few massage HE reviews seem to be from senior members. As for quality of the providers I can’t comment as have no experience but I suppose it would make sense that they would not have to be stunners as often they don’t even get naked so it’s not like a Fs meet where looks are important.
I also don’t think a HE/massage is strictly a punt more a health treatment with a small sexual element. Certainly the risk involved is less than a FS punt as you can say it was simply a medical treatment with no sexual element. This of course could be part of the attraction and fair play if you’re in a relationship it would be a dam good reason to go down that route. If the missus finds out and it’s better if she thinks you’ve been for a treatment with a average to ugly masseuse than the alternative of her having to picture you buried  balls deep up the arse of a gorgeous young Wg. 
This thread has brought up some good points and some explanations as to the increase of the Mass/HE reviews.
Although I don’t think they are strictly punting there is definitely a place for them on here, who knows, their rise in their popularity may even force full service providers to be a bit more sensible with their prices.
SB

[mr.bluesky]

Yes, there are definitely more reports on massage with H/E and no doubt more of us - particularly older punters - are enjoying them.  If I just want relief it's very much "safe sex" and the price of FS does seem to be increasing.  As for whether it's a "proper" punt or not, I imagine most of us couldn't care less.  There is a place for both of course and the intimacy of having sex with a nice looking girl is fantastic.

Agree 100% 

[sparkus]

I find HE and FS punts to be the Coca Cola or Pepsi of punting really.  I go through phases of alternating between the two and as one commenter said, it's a grey area as quite often massages can stray into FS or OW/O rather than just HE (equally I've had some good massages from WGs who've not advertised the service).

Still cannot get for the life of me why legit massages with no sexual services are allowed on here though.

[daviemac]

I find HE and FS punts to be the Coca Cola or Pepsi of punting really.  I go through phases of alternating between the two and as one commenter said, it's a grey area as quite often massages can stray into FS or OW/O rather than just HE (equally I've had some good massages from WGs who've not advertised the service).

Still cannot get for the life of me why legit massages with no sexual services are allowed on here though.

For the life of me I have never understood why members post on a thread that does not interest them just to whinge about the topic of the thread, it's just    I've said this many many time on here if a topic is of no interest to you just ignore it and pass it by

Having said that what is worse is when they revive a >365 day old thread, ignoring the big red warning, to do it.

However to answer the question, yet again, it is simply because this is an escort and massage providers review and discussion site and sometimes members just want a legit massage or the go in the hope of extras and find none available.  It sort of goes against the ethos of the site if members didn't review a massage parlour that turned out to be legit so others knew to avoid it.

[holeymoley]

I find HE and FS punts to be the Coca Cola or Pepsi of punting really.  I go through phases of alternating between the two and as one commenter said, it's a grey area as quite often massages can stray into FS or OW/O rather than just HE (equally I've had some good massages from WGs who've not advertised the service).

Still cannot get for the life of me why legit massages with no sexual services are allowed on here though.

Totally agree, I’ve been surprised how many massages offer the opportunity for FS, quite unexpectedl.

[SN5]

Maybe the rise in popularity in massage with HE comes from the fact the price of punting seems to be going north. Massages with HE are a cheaper way of getting the same effect for less with stress relieving thrown in in the form of the massage.

Good theory. Plus we're all getting older and in need of a good massage at times!

[mancguy0161]

I've always enjoyed both - scratch different itches but the quality of decent massage with HE has definitely declined in the Manchester area of the last few years (a lot more massage places available though).
Each to their own, I am under 40 and probably spend more on massage visits than full service.

There is one girl I see that does both - she's not cheap so I have to try and manage budget accordingly!

[sparkus]

For the life of me I have never understood why members post on a thread that does not interest them just to whinge about the topic of the thread, it's just    I've said this many many time on here if a topic is of no interest to you just ignore it and pass it by

Having said that what is worse is when they revive a >365 day old thread, ignoring the big red warning, to do it.

However to answer the question, yet again, it is simply because this is an escort and massage providers review and discussion site and sometimes members just want a legit massage or the go in the hope of extras and find none available.  It sort of goes against the ethos of the site if members didn't review a massage parlour that turned out to be legit so others knew to avoid it.

I suppose you are right in that the intel is useful for FBSM lovers (though at the same time some blokes will always chance it), but it's just mildly frustrating to click on a review and the bloke just raves about the massage and got no extras.

[sparkus]

Totally agree, I’ve been surprised how many massages offer the opportunity for FS, quite unexpectedl.

Some places there's a menu and all if not most girls do FS.

Some places FS is offered after a few visits to regulars.

Some places the staff vary week to week and a former WG will do a turn offering so so massages and put out automatically.

Some places no amount of offering money will persuade them to do FS.

[daviemac]

I suppose you are right in that the intel is useful for FBSM lovers (though at the same time some blokes will always chance it), but it's just mildly frustrating to click on a review and the bloke just raves about the massage and got no extras.

The intel is useful to those who want a decent massage and aren't bothered about any extras.  The rules allow massage reviews and there's even a dedicated 'massage' category at the top of the page, like I keep saying if it doesn't interest you don't read it.

15 FBSM / Massage
Allowed.

I still don't understand posting on a thread you have no interest in just to whinge on about the topic and like I said before that's ignoring the fact you've revived a very old thread to do so. It makes no sense.

[sparkus]

Not sure I revived it? I'd not read it before and it was replied to by that blocked nutter whose weird post spree now seems to be deleted (which makes it look as if I replied to a May 5 post now).

[Thephoenix]

Not sure I revived it? I'd not read it before and it was replied to by that blocked nutter whose weird post spree now seems to be deleted (which makes it look as if I replied to a May 5 post now).

Correct

I'd also add that it's often useful to TOFTT,  and visit a new parlour, which I've done occasionally.

I like trying out different parlours, and if no extras are available, it's useful information for everyone else, and could save them money.

It's still worth reviewing the service anyway for those that purely want a massage, and some of them can be quite sensual, even without HE.
But it's not everyone's cup of tea.

[scutty brown]

For our older members massage is likely to be all they can handle. The membership is aging and the incidence of massage will increase

[daviemac]

Not sure I revived it? I'd not read it before and it was replied to by that blocked nutter whose weird post spree now seems to be deleted (which makes it look as if I replied to a May 5 post now).

Even if the thread was bought back to the top by a troll before he was banned and his post deleted, reading the thread would tell you how old it is. It still doesn't answer the question as to why post on thread that you are not interested in just to complain about the topic.   

[Thephoenix]

For our older members massage is likely to be all they can handle. The membership is aging and the incidence of massage will increase

Agreed....... I enjoy reading the FS reviews just for nostalgia.
Not really envious as I've got plenty of memories of the ol' daze.

Now it's time to let the lady do all the work.
If she absolutely insists on rubbing her bare body all over me I'm unlikely to object.

Plus I don't miss all the hassle of phone calls, arrangements, bait/switch etc,  and in any case a condom would probably scare little willy to death.

If it wasn't for massage reviews, there'd be no point me being on this site except as a voyeur.

[sparkus]

Even if the thread was bought back to the top by a troll before he was banned and his post deleted, reading the thread would tell you how old it is. It still doesn't answer the question as to why post on thread that you are not interested in just to complain about the topic.   

So far others seem interested enough in the topic to comment further between themselves (and the TOFTT point is well made, especially as before UKP I just had to wing it and hope for the cc swipes/whisper) so I don't understand why you're being so down on me about my lack of appreciation for legit massage reviews

To answer your question, I hadn't noticed the topic before and the troll propelled it to the top of the first page of the section.  I read the posts then chipped in.  Harmless enough, surely?

[sparkus]

daviemac, I do concede that the word "allowed" was a bit excessive and beyond my intention really (look at what time it was posted).  I more meant "why people go to the bother of posting legit massage reviews".  I wasn't challenging the rules (or intending to).

[daviemac]

daviemac, I do concede that the word "allowed" was a bit excessive and beyond my intention really (look at what time it was posted).  I more meant "why people go to the bother of posting legit massage reviews".  I wasn't challenging the rules (or intending to).

Maybe a bit of misunderstanding on both our parts, more than likely because of a troll, pointless us falling out over it though. I'm happy to apologise if I've picked it up wrong.   

[sparkus]

Maybe a bit of misunderstanding on both our parts, more than likely because of a troll, pointless us falling out over it though. I'm happy to apologise if I've picked it up wrong.   

Reading back earlier I could see it was a slip of the tongue on my part (and not in a good way)