Does anyone know this SP? Pics attached.

[MysticP]

Pics attached. Said she was prominent in the London BDSM space. Met her quite a few times about 5-6 years ago. Had great fun. Hoping that she is still in business.

Pictures from unknown source removed.

[daviemac]

Where did the pictures come from? can you show they are from an escort profile?

[MysticP]

Where did the pictures come from? can you show they are from an escort profile?

Not from an escort profile unfortunately. I did a photoshoot for her back then as she wanted some professional pics for her profile.

[daviemac]

Not from an escort profile unfortunately. I did a photoshoot for her back then as she wanted some professional pics for her profile.

You can't post them on here then. Post her escort name and someone might recognise it.

[MysticP]

You can't post them on here then. Post her escort name and someone might recognise it.

Ah...didn't realise. I will remove the post.

[scutty brown]

Not from an escort profile unfortunately. I did a photoshoot for her back then as she wanted some professional pics for her profile.

I know the photos have been taken down now, but you need to rethink your views on copyright ownership and publication release rights before you post - anywhere - any other photoshoots you've done. Otherwise you could be heading for a legal  headache

[SoapyTW]

I know the photos have been taken down now, but you need to rethink your views on copyright ownership and publication release rights before you post - anywhere - any other photoshoots you've done. Otherwise you could be heading for a legal  headache

UK law is a bit odd re photographs. The photographer is the copyright owner and can typically act without the subjects persmission (unless there was an agreement to transfer the copyright).

That said though, what transpired above does sound very unprofessional

[daviemac]

UK law is a bit odd re photographs. The photographer is the copyright owner and can typically act without the subjects persmission (unless there was an agreement to transfer the copyright).

That said though, what transpired above does sound very unprofessional

Whether or not photos can be posted online depends on what they are and the intention behind posting them. Copyright laws are only part of it.

[getsbettereverytime]

Not from an escort profile unfortunately. I did a photoshoot for her back then as she wanted some professional pics for her profile.

Just a wild guess but I’d bet she is happy you don’t have her number anymore!

[RandomGuy99]

That's me Mum!!

I had a chat with her about it and she explained she was only working for a short time to make enough money for new furniture for her lounge and bedroom

[LLPunting]

UK law is a bit odd re photographs. The photographer is the copyright owner and can typically act without the subjects persmission (unless there was an agreement to transfer the copyright).

That said though, what transpired above does sound very unprofessional

If he was a professional shooting a commission then the contract and release would have given some/all usage control to the commissioner.  If this were a favour and she was clueless about agreeing rights as the model/client then he could well feel free to splash them all over but it could become a very public slanging match if she outed him as a punter in retaliation for reneging on their agreement.  A verbal agreement expressing terms of use might be found to be binding.  Of course if his punting habits were public knowledge then he'd have little to lose reputationally, other then every other former model wondering how he'd breached their agreements.   

[Strawberry]

If he was a professional shooting a commission then the contract and release would have given some/all usage control to the commissioner.  If this were a favour and she was clueless about agreeing rights as the model/client then he could well feel free to splash them all over but it could become a very public slanging match if she outed him as a punter in retaliation for reneging on their agreement.  A verbal agreement expressing terms of use might be found to be binding.  Of course if his punting habits were public knowledge then he'd have little to lose reputationally, other then every other former model wondering how he'd breached their agreements.   

But surely the problem is the publishing them stating she was an Escort, she may have retired, be in a relationship, doing something completely different. Although copyright usually stays with the photographer, many photographers particularly in the glamour, boudoir, fetish, adult industry tend to ask the model for permission to post images in public.  It's about etiquette and also understanding their client base.

[SoapyTW]

But surely the problem is the publishing them stating she was an Escort, she may have retired, be in a relationship, doing something completely different. Although copyright usually stays with the photographer, many photographers particularly in the glamour, boudoir, fetish, adult industry tend to ask the model for permission to post images in public.  It's about etiquette and also understanding their client base.

Yeah - agreed. Copyright stays with photographer. Client gets permission to use. Photographer still has rights to publish etc on their own site (or elsewhere) unless explicitly stated otherwise (unlikely). The reason I brought it up was that people assume that because they paid for the photographers time and the photos, that they 'own' them. This isn't the case. They are given permission to 'use' them. Most people don't realise this.

Agree 100% - issue isn't the copyright aspects here. It's the professionalism.

[daviemac]

Everyone is totally missing the point, it doesn't matter about copyright, it doesn't matter if the escort gave permission, the only thing that matters are the rules of this site and as they say private pictures can't be posted they can't be posted.

If there is any doubt about where pictures come from they are removed until the poster can show they are from an public escort advert.

[versace]

That's me Mum!!

I had a chat with her about it and she explained she was only working for a short time to make enough money for new furniture for her lounge and bedroom

Then there’s a high chance that I’m your father.

[Mkhelen]

So your a hobby photographer not a professional photographer

Your lack of discretion and professionalism is sorely lacking

This is why so many women don't trust photographers with their content and face

You could face a lawsuit against you

[RandomGuy99]

Then there’s a high chance that I’m your father.

In that case we need to talk about all the missed birthday and Christmas presents.

[jamiekinkxxx]

In that case we need to talk about all the missed birthday and Christmas presents.

 

[versace]

In that case we need to talk about all the missed birthday and Christmas presents.

lol

[MysticP]

Didn't expect that to escalate so quickly!

So the background is that I met this person a few times, years ago. We got talking about my work in general. She found it interesting that I was a travel photographer in my previous life. Next meet, she goes on about how she was not happy with the photos on her profile and asked if I can get some for her. Tried explaining that portraits are not my strength but she was happy with what I could do. Long story short, I took a few photos, for no charge, and passed them on to her in a flash disk. We met a couple of times more and then we moved on. She did upload the pics I had taken, on her AW profile though. Fast forward to a few weeks ago, I had to recover data from one of my storage cards and among other files, this person's photos were there. Thought it would be nice to meet her again hence asked on here with the test photos that were not nude.

I agree, it was in poor judgement to post photos, but felt this forum would be a more secure place to ask. Wrong I was and I am learning.

[finn5555]

So your a hobby photographer not a professional photographer

Your lack of discretion and professionalism is sorely lacking

This is why so many women don't trust photographers with their content and face

You could face a lawsuit against you

The problem is when prossies allow punters to take photos they then have no control over where they end up.
If they want photos for their profile they should get a professional photographer to take them.
Yes he could face a lawsuit but highly unlikely.

[jamiekinkxxx]

Didn't expect that to escalate so quickly!

So the background is that I met this person a few times, years ago. We got talking about my work in general. She found it interesting that I was a travel photographer in my previous life. Next meet, she goes on about how she was not happy with the photos on her profile and asked if I can get some for her. Tried explaining that portraits are not my strength but she was happy with what I could do. Long story short, I took a few photos, for no charge, and passed them on to her in a flash disk. We met a couple of times more and then we moved on. She did upload the pics I had taken, on her AW profile though. Fast forward to a few weeks ago, I had to recover data from one of my storage cards and among other files, this person's photos were there. Thought it would be nice to meet her again hence asked on here with the test photos that were not nude.

I agree, it was in poor judgement to post photos, but felt this forum would be a more secure place to ask. Wrong I was and I am learning.

Why not just give her previous working name / profile name with area she worked etc.?

[MysticP]

Why not just give her previous working name / profile name with area she worked etc.?

Simple reason. Don't remember. AW profile I had back then was deactivated for being dormant so there is no history that I can tap into. And the dom space is so vast in London that it would be like finding needle in haystack with just the area.

[daviemac]

Simple reason. Don't remember. AW profile I had back then was deactivated for being dormant so there is no history that I can tap into. And the dom space is so vast in London that it would be like finding needle in haystack with just the area.

Are you saying after all the times you saw her as well as photographing her she made such an impression you want to look her up again but can't remember her name. 

Not suspicious at all then.

[jamiekinkxxx]

Simple reason. Don't remember. AW profile I had back then was deactivated for being dormant so there is no history that I can tap into. And the dom space is so vast in London that it would be like finding needle in haystack with just the area.

The 'true' BDSM / Fet Scene in London is not that vast at all TBH. Clues and someone maybe able to help.

[JontyR]

The 'true' BDSM / Fet Scene in London is not that vast at all TBH. Clues and someone maybe able to help.

Especially true if she genuinely wanted to be found. I find many BDSM providers have strong profiles on X/Twitter and often post links to each other.

Wrong I was.

Fair enough Yoda.

[Nathalie]

I think it’s very creepy to say the least.
It can be a stalker.
It can be a guy who met a girl and is trying to find out about her past.
She might have kids and it’s her child father’s way to get an evidence and report her to social services.
Or just a guy with sick intentions to expose her!

[JustaPunter]

Simple reason. Don't remember. AW profile I had back then was deactivated for being dormant so there is no history that I can tap into. And the dom space is so vast in London that it would be like finding needle in haystack with just the area.

You are giving off wrong un/stalker vibes to be fair.

Saying you can’t remember the AW name of an Escort you knew well enough to take her pictures doesn’t make any sense

[MissWolf]

I think it’s very creepy to say the least.
It can be a stalker.
It can be a guy who met a girl and is trying to find out about her past.
She might have kids and it’s her child father’s way to get an evidence and report her to social services.
Or just a guy with sick intentions to expose her!

This......

I'm so glad that it's not just me who was thinking this

[Doc Holliday]

This......

I'm so glad that it's not just me who was thinking this

Indeed, fortunately 'quick off the mark' Davie had removed Randomguy's mum's pictures within 10 minutes. Once they are out there etc.

You would think he would be a little more cautious with personal information https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=376933.msg3854315#msg3854315

[Strawberry]

Indeed, fortunately 'quick off the mark' Davie had removed Randomguy's mum's pictures within 10 minutes. Once they are out there etc.

You would think he would be a little more cautious with personal information https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=376933.msg3854315#msg3854315

Unfortunately my experience is that some people who seem concerned about discretion and privacy, can be incredibly indiscreet and or intrusive themselves.

[MissWolf]

Indeed, fortunately 'quick off the mark' Davie had removed Randomguy's mum's pictures within 10 minutes. Once they are out there etc.

You would think he would be a little more cautious with personal information https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=376933.msg3854315#msg3854315

For 'Davie' we give thanks daily 

Indeed wouldn't you just, however it seems not, but then maybe this is another EAS turned nasty case  I know for sure that I wouldn't be trying to help him find her.

[MysticP]

I continue to be surprised by some of the reactions here. A genuine intention to meet an SP, who I had met many years ago, is being labelled as creepy, and as stalking? Just because I posted 2 face photos (nothing nude)? When brought to my attention as soon as my post went live, I accepted my mistake and explained the rationale for my post.

Do people really remember names of all the SPs or their AW handles after 5-7 years? Well done to you, but I don't. Otherwise, I wont be asking. A lot of messages here reflect the author's mindset, and not me. And I feel sad for them.

My post history will show that I have returned to punting after a long break. And I am finding that there is a big shift in terms of SPs and services. So it was a natural act from my side to reach out to those who I met before the break and who I had a good time with. That is all that is going on in the background.

Thanks to those who reached out to me via messages either offering to help or asking me to ignore the negativity.

If I have to apologize to anyone, it would be the SP. And thanks to one of the punters, I have spoken to the person I was looking for and the first thing I did was to explain my effort to find her on this site. I just had to get it out of the way. We ended up laughing about it and have agreed to meet later this week. So albeit superficially it was a mess, the main reason for my message led to results.

I am really a small fish in this sea. I am here to learn and to help however I can. I hope that is not in contradiction with the culture of this forum.

[JontyR]

We look forward to your review.

[MysticP]

We look forward to your review.

Oh you bet.   

[MysticP]

Well now I have been blacklisted. My posts now require approval. None required before this particular post.

Wonder why? I had no intended malice towards anyone. And all the negativity on this post is due to the uninvited insinuations by others, not due to my words or actions. Yet, I am to be punished. Fair enough.

For anyone who thinks I was a stalker or similar, I am sorry for giving you that impression. I am not the best when it comes to social skills. I blame my ADHD. This site was the last avenue where I would have expected to express those skills. I never intended to be a stalker and neither am I now.

I suspect the next natural action is to be kicked out of this website. And that's fine. It was a good run while it lasted.

[Doc Holliday]

Well now I have been blacklisted. My posts now require approval. None required before this particular post.

Wonder why? I had no intended malice towards anyone. And all the negativity on this post is due to the uninvited insinuations by others, not due to my words or actions. Yet, I am to be punished. Fair enough.

For anyone who thinks I was a stalker or similar, I am sorry for giving you that impression. I am not the best when it comes to social skills. I blame my ADHD. This site was the last avenue where I would have expected to express those skills. I never intended to be a stalker and neither am I now.

I suspect the next natural action is to be kicked out of this website. And that's fine. It was a good run while it lasted.

You appear to be saying that other members contacted you by PM and as a result you have now been in touch with the person you seek and took the photos of?

Is that correct? If so presumably you shared those photos with others by PM?

[MysticP]

You appear to be saying that other members contacted you by PM and as a result you have now been in touch with the person you seek and took the photos of?

Is that correct? If so you presumably you shared those photos with others by PM?

See, that's the problem with most people here, not only you. Jumping to conclusions. And the words you write have the power to mislead others.

Me taking photographs of her has nothing to do with the bigger picture. Let go of it.

I have not shared pics with others via PM. I just did not feel comfortable after it was raised on the open forum.

You cannot ignore the fact that many would have seen the pics in the few minutes that it was active before being removed. And I find out retrospectively that she is a well reviewed SP on UKP.

[daviemac]

See, that's the problem with most people here, not only you. Jumping to conclusions. And the words you write have the power to mislead others.

Me taking photographs of her has nothing to do with the bigger picture. Let go of it.

I have not shared pics with others via PM. I just did not feel comfortable after it was raised on the open forum.

You cannot ignore the fact that many would have seen the pics in the few minutes that it was active before being removed. And I find out retrospectively that she is a well reviewed SP on UKP.

Firstly you are not on a premod list so if a post has to be approved it would be for banned content picked up by the auto-censor.

I have seen far too many stalkers and generally undesirable characters on here to apologise for any action or comment I have made. You posted face pictures of someone you claim is an escort that you have seen and photographed many times yet you can't remember her name.

Had you bothered to read the rules you would have seen private pictures are not allowed, you would also have seen the soliciting PM messages comes with a ban.

Edit

You will also notice in the rules you must declare if you are more than just a punter with an escort.

[Doc Holliday]

See, that's the problem with most people here, not only you. Jumping to conclusions. And the words you write have the power to mislead others.

Me taking photographs of her has nothing to do with the bigger picture. Let go of it.

I have not shared pics with others via PM. I just did not feel comfortable after it was raised on the open forum.

You cannot ignore the fact that many would have seen the pics in the few minutes that it was active before being removed. And I find out retrospectively that she is a well reviewed SP on UKP.

So in the short space of time the pictures were up (and they won't have been viewed by that many people) someone recognised her and three days later PMed you with her ID? Is that correct?

[daviemac]

So in the short space of time the pictures were up (and they won't have been viewed by that many people) someone recognised her and three days later PMed you with her ID? Is that correct?

The pictures were up for 5 mins 13 seconds.

[MysticP]

Firstly you are not on a premod list so if a post has to be approved it would be for banned content picked up by the auto-censor.

I have seen far too many stalkers and generally undesirable characters on here to apologise for any action or comment I have made. You posted face pictures of someone you claim is an escort that you have seen and photographed many times yet you can't remember her name.

Had you bothered to read the rules you would have seen private pictures are not allowed, you would also have seen the soliciting PM messages comes with a ban.

Daviemac, I had not revealed that I had photographed the escort, before you took her photos down and spread an unnecessary blanket of fear amongst others. So, not sure if your statement is entirely correct. And where is the term "many times" coming from? I never said that in my posts as I had only photographed her once.

I appreciate that in your role on this site, you may have come across a lot of pervs. But is it reasonable to punish the genuine ones in fear of the weirdos?

I really want to move on and enjoy my time on this site please. If there is anything I can do to achieve that, let me know.

[MysticP]

So in the short space of time the pictures were up (and they won't have been viewed by that many people) someone recognised her and three days later PMed you with her ID? Is that correct?

Three days later? Why would you think so, Sherlock?

[MysticP]

The pictures were up for 5 mins 13 seconds.

Which is equal to 313 seconds in total. Isn't it?

[Doc Holliday]

Three days later? Why would you think so, Sherlock?

Photos were posted on 4th. You posted yesterday afternoon 6th but didn't mention you knew who she was. Now you know. 3 days later.

[MysticP]

Photos were posted on 4th. You posted yesterday afternoon 6th but didn't mention you knew who she was. Now you know. 3 days later.

So I was not wrong in my assumption, Sherlock!

[daviemac]

Daviemac, I had not revealed that I had photographed the escort, before you took her photos down and spread an unnecessary blanket of fear amongst others. So, not sure if your statement is entirely correct. And where is the term "many times" coming from? I never said that in my posts as I had only photographed her once.

I appreciate that in your role on this site, you may have come across a lot of pervs. But is it reasonable to punish the genuine ones in fear of the weirdos?

I really want to move on and enjoy my time on this site please. If there is anything I can do to achieve that, let me know.

Stalker threads mainly start off with "does anyone know this SP" or "does anyone know where I can find this SP" or something similar, like I said I make no apology for reacting the way I have when another similar thread is posted.

I still think you are dodgy as, otherwise you would know her name and you would have said what it was in your first post.

Edit

I've "spread an unnecessary blanket of fear amongst others" by telling you private pictures can't be posted and removing them.     can you explain?

[MysticP]

Stalker threads mainly start off with "does anyone know this SP" or "does anyone know where I can find this SP" or something similar, like I said I make no apology for reacting the way I have when another similar thread is posted.

I still think you are dodgy as, otherwise you would know her name and you would have said what it was in your first post.

Daviemac, I never asked for an apology from you. Why do you keep saying that you do not owe me an apology? Is it because you "feel" you do owe me one for your actions?

And sorry, I did not know that you were an authority on stalkers. Good to know!

What a weird logic you have got? If I knew her name and whereabouts, why the heck would I post it on here? I still do not see any sense? Maybe in your limited ability you can?

[MysticP]

Edit

I've "spread an unnecessary blanket of fear amongst others" by telling you private pictures can't be posted and removing them.     can you explain?

Ha, the classic authority tactic. Your action to let me know about private photos and the subsequent posts on this topic were not connected and intended to create fear amongst others. Do not connect the invisible dots here, sir. Let it go.

[daviemac]

Daviemac, I never asked for an apology from you. Why do you keep saying that you do not owe me an apology? Is it because you "feel" you do owe me one for your actions?

And sorry, I did not know that you were an authority on stalkers. Good to know!

What a weird logic you have got? If I knew her name and whereabouts, why the heck would I post it on here? I still do not see any sense? Maybe in your limited ability you can?

I don't owe you anything but I think you need a better understanding of the English language 

Definition of 'make no apologies'
make no apologies
PHRASE
If you say that you make no apologies for what you have done, you are emphasizing that you feel that you have done nothing wrong.

I'm struggling with you logic here, nobody has said you need to know her whereabouts but it is of great help if you post her name, or are you really suggesting you are looking for an escort who's name you do not know? if that is the case how have you seen her in the past.

BTW pointing out the rules has never been a "classic authority tactic" it's a simple fact on the forum.