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You know, as sad is this situation is; whether exaggerated by the guardian and their hyperbolic ways or true... I can only wonder...

What about the men that are in difficult financial situations, that do not have the option to choose to sell their bodies?

What do they do? Don't get me wrong this is sad and all, I feel for them; I really do. It just seems like the struggles of men are always sidelined. So are there not men suffering aswell due to the austerity measures of the government too?

Oh well  :unknown:

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You know, as sad is this situation is; whether exaggerated by the guardian and their hyperbolic ways or true... I can only wonder...

What about the men that are in difficult financial situations, that do not have the option to choose to sell their bodies?

What do they do? Don't get me wrong this is sad and all, I feel for them; I really do. It just seems like the struggles of men are always sidelined. So are there not men suffering aswell due to the austerity measures of the government too?

Oh well  :unknown:

Men who feel that way should pay heed to your username.

Anyway, that's an entirely separate issue. The solution the prossies want would be easy, cost nothing (in fact it would possibly save a small amount of money) and be beneficial to all concerned (punters, prossies, the police etc). The solutions for the issues you describe would be much more complex, harder to identify and implement and likely expensive.

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You know, as sad is this situation is; whether exaggerated by the guardian and their hyperbolic ways or true... I can only wonder...

What about the men that are in difficult financial situations, that do not have the option to choose to sell their bodies?

What do they do? Don't get me wrong this is sad and all, I feel for them; I really do. It just seems like the struggles of men are always sidelined. So are there not men suffering aswell due to the austerity measures of the government too?

Oh well  :unknown:
Austerity might have been mentioned but that really isn't the point of the article is it? The point is about making it safer by being allowed to work together without risk of arrest.
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The point is about making it safer by being allowed to work together without risk of arrest.

This raises it's head on a regular basis, if they legalied brothels and ran them properly Pro$$ies wouldn't want to work there, for fear of paying tax / national insurance / loss of benefits etc, And pro$$ies would not be arrested for working in a brothel, it's the Pimps the law is aimed at  :thumbsup:

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You know, as sad is this situation is; whether exaggerated by the guardian and their hyperbolic ways or true... I can only wonder...

What about the men that are in difficult financial situations, that do not have the option to choose to sell their bodies?

What do they do? Don't get me wrong this is sad and all, I feel for them; I really do. It just seems like the struggles of men are always sidelined. So are there not men suffering aswell due to the austerity measures of the government too?

Oh well  :unknown:
Gardnerella knows, only women matter..

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This raises it's head on a regular basis, if they legalied brothels and ran them properly Pro$$ies wouldn't want to work there, for fear of paying tax / national insurance / loss of benefits etc, And pro$$ies would not be arrested for working in a brothel, it's the Pimps the law is aimed at  :thumbsup:
And single mothers and other workshy women would have to accept "available vacancies" for suitable employment..
I am not personally in favour of allowing whoring to become a mainstream accepted industry.. Common sense policing doesn't need laws..

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Common sense policing doesn't need laws..

What a stupid statement, Policing is based on law, not on what different people think is a good idea  :thumbsdown:

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What a stupid statement, Policing is based on law, not on what different people think is a good idea  :thumbsdown:
:lol: :lol: bowlarks.. the law is an ass.. cops apply law depending on how many doughnuts they can fit on their cocks or something. State thugs doing what dumb laws allow them, as and when they can be arsed as long as its easy..  as long as some folks (666 MP's usually, not public shitizens had decided its a good idea..)

Manchester has dozens of known knocking shops. Would be a piece of piss for cops to finish the whole game off, but as long as no one complains, they can't be arsed, rather be issuing speeding tickets..

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You sound angry and confused, good luck if you ever end up in the dock  :wacko:

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You sound angry and confused, good luck if you ever end up in the dock  :wacko:
You sound like a man who hasn't experienced much actual punting so don't need to worry much..  :P

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From your ramblings above it's evident your perception and reality are not the same, if you ever work out what your point your trying to make is (If you have one) let us know, otherwise perhaps take up knitting to focus your mind  :hi:

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 The solution the prossies want would be easy, cost nothing (in fact it would possibly save a small amount of money) and be beneficial to all concerned (punters, prossies, the police etc). The solutions for the issues you describe would be much more complex, harder to identify and implement and likely expensive.

Yes, I do agree with what you have said and rationally that does make sense. I am not sure how viable it would be to enforce in reality as it's not exactly a sector with rules and regulations with people who openly embrace such work as viable employment; and authorities to enforce the said rules like the FCA in the finance industry. I do understand though. It's just the narrative that the guardian is running along with in the article that makes it seems like men are not impacted as well by all that has happened with austerity and that women are the only victims.

You are right though, that is an entirely different issue.

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What a stupid statement, Policing is based on law, not on what different people think is a good idea  :thumbsdown:

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Offline mh

What about the men that are in difficult financial situations, that do not have the option to choose to sell their bodies?

But there's no link between the difficult financial situations and the demand for SPs of a certain sex. Sex work is more an option for women, just like some types of manual labour are more an option for men. Horses for courses!  :D

Women sell their bodies because there is sufficient demand from paying men. The market for men to sell their bodies is small because there is insufficient demand from paying women. The reason may be cultural or it may be biological or a mixture. I suspect biological is the predominant driver.

Yes, both men and women find themselves in difficult financial situations. For there to be a level playing field in terms of demand for paid sex work between the sexes of the SPs would need a cultural and/or biological shift that is unlikely to happen or we'd probably have seen it happening somewhere in the world already.

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I am not personally in favour of allowing whoring to become a mainstream accepted industry.. Common sense policing doesn't need laws..
cops apply law depending on how many doughnuts they can fit on their cocks or something. State thugs doing what dumb laws allow them, as and when they can be arsed as long as its easy..  as long as some folks (666 MP's usually, not public shitizens had decided its a good idea..)

Manchester has dozens of known knocking shops. Would be a piece of piss for cops to finish the whole game off, but as long as no one complains, they can't be arsed, rather be issuing speeding tickets..

I had ignored some of your more outrageous claims about your personal punting and sexual exploits, but this is bonkers. Do you really think that in this day and age police officers make it up as they go along? They have discretion but only within narrow boundaries. Those boundaries are set by their Chief Constable, PCC, Government ministers, but all within the law on the statute books.

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Do you really think that in this day and age police officers make it up as they go along? They have discretion but only within narrow boundaries. Those boundaries are set by their Chief Constable, PCC, Government ministers, but all within the law on the statute books.

So how do you explain all of the illegal Manchester knocking shops that operate in plain sight? How can two girls working from a flat in London be at risk of prosecution, yet these places with say 10 girls are ok.

That level of discretion has added another layer to the law, making the police judge and jury.

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So how do you explain all of the illegal Manchester knocking shops that operate in plain sight? How can two girls working from a flat in London be at risk of prosecution, yet these places with say 10 girls are ok.

You have mixed it all up a bit, NONE of the Girls in your example is at risk of prosecution, however the Pimp / Brothel owner is at risk of prosecution in all examples  :music:

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So if two girls are working together from the same flat, which one's the pimp?

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So if two girls are working together from the same flat, which one's the pimp?

The one who was deemed as running the brothel  :hi:

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How things operate now, it is clear escorts on AW have nothing to worry about nor punters of them regarding "legal issues" with cops.. Ho's in parlours get a pass for sure as can be seen in wankchester..

the only folk who need worry are street punters and even they clearly are mostly ignored by cops or they could easily arrest loads of punters, but they don't. Similar in many ways to how they ignore most drug offenders..

Common sense policing is usually applied regardless of any laws. Even if every aspect of the oldest profession was made legal, so many factors will still make it legally risky because of the inevitable nature of activities in any neighbourhood around it. some People  object to whores working and police have to react to complaints.

Decriminalising sex work really only benefits punters directly, SP's don't get copped anyway and probably enjoy immunity from tax evasion charges in the current "fuzzy" legal position..

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. Do you really think that in this day and age police officers make it up as they go along? They have discretion but only within narrow boundaries. Those boundaries are set by their Chief Constable, PCC, Government ministers, but all within the law on the statute books.
All the people mentioned are making it up as they go along effectively. quite simply, usually they can't be bothered doing anything but occasionally, perhaps because folks complain or something bad happens, they might decided to actually apply "the law".

Even the law is subject to constant revision and police act based on what is "sensible" regarding the area in question.

Whores, punters, brothel keepers, "decriminalised" or not, pissing off the locals will result in a risk of criminal action, which is basically what concerns police..

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But there's no link between the difficult financial situations and the demand for SPs of a certain sex. Sex work is more an option for women, just like some types of manual labour are more an option for men. Horses for courses!  :D

Women sell their bodies because there is sufficient demand from paying men. The market for men to sell their bodies is small because there is insufficient demand from paying women. The reason may be cultural or it may be biological or a mixture. I suspect biological is the predominant driver.

Yes, both men and women find themselves in difficult financial situations. For there to be a level playing field in terms of demand for paid sex work between the sexes of the SPs would need a cultural and/or biological shift that is unlikely to happen or we'd probably have seen it happening somewhere in the world already.
A woman short of cash may be able to rent her fadge out. A man short of cash is far less likely to find that feasible. Clearly, the more women are skint, the more likely they will choose to ho.. Demand for muff increases as prices drop, which happens when more muff comes along.. standard economics..  ;)

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How things operate now, it is clear escorts on AW have nothing to worry about nor punters of them regarding "legal issues" with cops.. Ho's in parlours get a pass for sure as can be seen in wankchester..

the only folk who need worry are street punters and even they clearly are mostly ignored by cops or they could easily arrest loads of punters, but they don't. Similar in many ways to how they ignore most drug offenders..

Common sense policing is usually applied regardless of any laws. Even if every aspect of the oldest profession was made legal, so many factors will still make it legally risky because of the inevitable nature of activities in any neighbourhood around it. some People  object to whores working and police have to react to complaints.

Decriminalising sex work really only benefits punters directly, SP's don't get copped anyway and probably enjoy immunity from tax evasion charges in the current "fuzzy" legal position..

You clearly have no idea  :dash:

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You clearly have no idea  :dash:
You are right. I really have no idea what "decriminalising" whoring is about. Enlighten us as to what you suggest is needed? Effectively that gardneralla farticle is asking for brothels to be legalised because women are not safe working alone. Obviously.. But violence isn't legal even if whoring alone is.. So really they are needing protection eh? I am sure some imaginative folks could work a way round such.. I have heard being a ho's "maid" is perfectly legal?

Anyone experienced in punting knows police don't usually enforce whatever laws make whoring "illegal" or they could just go round and close every "massage parlour" openly working..

looking at holbeck in leeds, a "tolerance zone".. but doesn't please many folks and certainly not punters from what I have heard who get moved on..

Prostitution laws and how they are applied is a mess for sure, but its a messy business. Ho's are a mess, punters are a mess, no "decent folk" want to live near such activities especially when they have families etc.. reality is, it's risky for all in many ways but isn't going to go away..

Personally, I say its not something anyone should be encouraging for sure. Every time strangers meet, there is a risk. But private sex lives are really not something the state should be involved in I say..

Looking at this, it is cllear no one has any answers that "work"..

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You know, as sad is this situation is; whether exaggerated by the guardian and their hyperbolic ways or true... I can only wonder...

What about the men that are in difficult financial situations, that do not have the option to choose to sell their bodies?

What do they do? Don't get me wrong this is sad and all, I feel for them; I really do. It just seems like the struggles of men are always sidelined. So are there not men suffering aswell due to the austerity measures of the government too?

Oh well  :unknown:

Men can do sex work, I know a few former male escorts. But the reality is that they have to have majority male clients and they can't charge as much.

That is just the reality of who is the clientele. It's mostly men.

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Men can do sex work, I know a few former male escorts. But the reality is that they have to have majority male clients and they can't charge as much.

That is just the reality of who is the clientele. It's mostly men.
My ex's paid for everything. I find it constricting to consider conventional box-mindedness. We are all prostitutes selling our bodies, minds, labour, company for something to someone or other. quid pro quo..  I find it strange that "sex" is treated so differently to any other resource.. perhaps it is because it is usually highly restricted in order to maintain its power. Ho's effectively threaten the monopoly of "civvies" and offer a "cheaper" and easier way for a man of low social rank/dominance to "cheat"..

A man paying for or providing for a woman is considered perfectly fine. Often, sex is expected in return, under some agreed conditions no doubt.. We need no special laws regards such. Yet society imposes many, the most damaging being the marraige contrick.. Divorce payouts can often be calculated as being capable of showing how, in a case I know, a man may easily have paid pro-rata 1k plus per shag during his marraige.. Divorce, a likely consequence of the systematic abuse of males known as "marraige" costs us dearly as a society.. Many men commit suicide as a consequence.. Here is a danger to all.

Rarely do women every pay for or support men financially. when they do, it is not usually "just because they want sex".. Usually, they want attention, entertainment.. and yeah, a damned good seeing to from their man..  :drinks:



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My ex's paid for everything. I find it constricting to consider conventional box-mindedness. We are all prostitutes selling our bodies, minds, labour, company for something to someone or other. quid pro quo..  I find it strange that "sex" is treated so differently to any other resource.. perhaps it is because it is usually highly restricted in order to maintain its power. Ho's effectively threaten the monopoly of "civvies" and offer a "cheaper" and easier way for a man of low social rank/dominance to "cheat"..

A man paying for or providing for a woman is considered perfectly fine. Often, sex is expected in return, under some agreed conditions no doubt.. We need no special laws regards such. Yet society imposes many, the most damaging being the marraige contrick.. Divorce payouts can often be calculated as being capable of showing how, in a case I know, a man may easily have paid pro-rata 1k plus per shag during his marraige.. Divorce, a likely consequence of the systematic abuse of males known as "marraige" costs us dearly as a society.. Many men commit suicide as a consequence.. Here is a danger to all.

Rarely do women every pay for or support men financially. when they do, it is not usually "just because they want sex".. Usually, they want attention, entertainment.. and yeah, a damned good seeing to from their man..  :drinks:

Marriage and divorce is a complicated creature. It's well documented in studies that women's earning suffer when having children, whilst men's actually benefit. So pay to acknowledge that if things breakdown is not unreasonable. After all they were half of the decision to have children so it would be unfair to expect the woman to carry all of the burden.

Outside of that. Well I've certainly dated men who want more emotional input and attention than I'm comfortable giving. But I admit I'm rare in that regards. Women do tend to put more in. There's a lot a talk about emotional labour with regards to relationships (part of why I'm not in one), that often falls predominantly on a woman. Also studies bare out despite women becoming greater contributors to earnings and doing similar working hours they still tend to have to do way more housework.

It's very much a bit of this and a bit of that. Rarely is anything equal.

You may view it as 1k in for a shag, but in one of my prior relationships I viewed it as making dinner, washing clothes, sorting his diary, remember his family and friends birthdays, etc etc etc. Plus paying for all his fun as I made more, even though still earning shit. Extremes exist on both ends. We all have to be careful not to view personal experiences as universal.

As for suicide, men are more likely to successfully do so as they have fewer warning signs, in part because society (including other men) discourage them talking about their emotions (and women do it as well. Which is awful). Which is a terrible shame. No one should feel like they can't voice their difficulties and resort to such an extreme. Rather than reaching out for help without judgement.

But divorce is viewed as one of the most stressful events in someone's life, male or female.

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Marriage and divorce is a complicated creature. It's well documented in studies that women's earning suffer when having children, whilst men's actually benefit. So pay to acknowledge that if things breakdown is not unreasonable. After all they were half of the decision to have children so it would be unfair to expect the woman to carry all of the burden.

Outside of that. Well I've certainly dated men who want more emotional input and attention than I'm comfortable giving. But I admit I'm rare in that regards. Women do tend to put more in. There's a lot a talk about emotional labour with regards to relationships (part of why I'm not in one), that often falls predominantly on a woman. Also studies bare out despite women becoming greater contributors to earnings and doing similar working hours they still tend to have to do way more housework.

It's very much a bit of this and a bit of that. Rarely is anything equal.

You may view it as 1k in for a shag, but in one of my prior relationships I viewed it as making dinner, washing clothes, sorting his diary, remember his family and friends birthdays, etc etc etc. Plus paying for all his fun as I made more, even though still earning shit. Extremes exist on both ends. We all have to be careful not to view personal experiences as universal.

As for suicide, men are more likely to successfully do so as they have fewer warning signs, in part because society (including other men) discourage them talking about their emotions (and women do it as well. Which is awful). Which is a terrible shame. No one should feel like they can't voice their difficulties and resort to such an extreme. Rather than reaching out for help without judgement.

But divorce is viewed as one of the most stressful events in someone's life, male or female.
Marraige and divorce, punting and hoeing.. All that I see as reasonable is that folks agree on what they agree on and live by it.

Having the state dictate terms of peoples private lives is not right. People can surely be assumed capable of making their own choices? perhaps in reality, not in all cases.. But having the few set the standard for the majority is a bad idea. Not all marraiges end in a bad divorce.. Not all punters are violent.. Not all prossies are "victims"..

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Marraige and divorce, punting and hoeing.. All that I see as reasonable is that folks agree on what they agree on and live by it.

Having the state dictate terms of peoples private lives is not right. People can surely be assumed capable of making their own choices? perhaps in reality, not in all cases.. But having the few set the standard for the majority is a bad idea. Not all marraiges end in a bad divorce.. Not all punters are violent.. Not all prossies are "victims"..

The state only steps in when people can't agree. When people agree they leave them alone. It's just that you don't hear about those divorce cases as much.

We see that it with most cases. Divorce and prossies, and more. Hell it's well noted that cops will leave brothels alone if all parties are happy, most are brought down by tax evasion, pimping then gets tacked on as a fuck you to the brothel owners not paying taxes.

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The state only steps in when people can't agree. When people agree they leave them alone. It's just that you don't hear about those divorce cases as much.

We see that it with most cases. Divorce and prossies, and more. Hell it's well noted that cops will leave brothels alone if all parties are happy, most are brought down by tax evasion, pimping then gets tacked on as a fuck you to the brothel owners not paying taxes.
Indeed. A default template of expectations exists though for anyone who signs up for marraige or paid sex. Some folks have little incentive to "settle out of court", or are just pigheaded and out for grabs. Liarwyers profit most.

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Indeed. A default template of expectations exists though for anyone who signs up for marraige or paid sex. Some folks have little incentive to "settle out of court", or are just pigheaded and out for grabs. Liarwyers profit most.

That they do. I've had a few friends go through it, for most it's disputes over alimony, child support, or custody. The worst case I know, the mum didn't want any money, not even support for the kids, just wanted him gone. He wanted split custody. Judge was all ready to give it until my friend (eldest daughter, we were both 14 at the time) took the stand and told the story of how he killed and forced them to eat their pet rabbit (she was a vegetarian at the time and manhandled her and force fed her it), then sent them to the hutch to discover that they'd eaten their family pet. He rightly lost all custody rights, and was given a court order to pay (never did, mother never persued as she just wanted him gone). So, you know, it's not just women abusing the system. Men do too. Just you tend to hear more about women doing it.

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That they do. I've had a few friends go through it, for most it's disputes over alimony, child support, or custody. The worst case I know, the mum didn't want any money, not even support for the kids, just wanted him gone. He wanted split custody. Judge was all ready to give it until my friend (eldest daughter, we were both 14 at the time) took the stand and told the story of how he killed and forced them to eat their pet rabbit (she was a vegetarian at the time and manhandled her and force fed her it), then sent them to the hutch to discover that they'd eaten their family pet. He rightly lost all custody rights, and was given a court order to pay (never did, mother never persued as she just wanted him gone). So, you know, it's not just women abusing the system. Men do too. Just you tend to hear more about women doing it.
I wouldn't call that abusing the system really, I'd call that being an evil sicko.

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As for suicide, men are more likely to successfully do so as they have fewer warning signs, in part because society (including other men) discourage them talking about their emotions (and women do it as well. Which is awful). Which is a terrible shame. No one should feel like they can't voice their difficulties and resort to such an extreme. Rather than reaching out for help without judgement.


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Indeed. A default template of expectations exists though for anyone who signs up for marraige or paid sex. Some folks have little incentive to "settle out of court", or are just pigheaded and out for grabs. Liarwyers profit most.
You haven't been divorced any more than I've painted Scarlett Johansson's Polish face.

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story of how he killed and forced them to eat their pet rabbit (she was a vegetarian at the time and manhandled her and force fed her it), then sent them to the hutch to discover that they'd eaten their family pet. He rightly lost all custody rights,

Amazing what can be achieved by making things up  :wacko:

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This raises it's head on a regular basis, if they legalied brothels and ran them properly Pro$$ies wouldn't want to work there, for fear of paying tax / national insurance / loss of benefits etc, And pro$$ies would not be arrested for working in a brothel, it's the Pimps the law is aimed at  :thumbsup:

too fucking right

although i think it would be great for it to be 'legalised' not only for increased safety etc of the pro$$i£'s
but i reckon it would create a better service standard for punters

due to the extra expenditure in costs for the brothels and sex workers any one not earning and or has too many complaints
will be out on their ear as they can't afford to have them around  :D

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You haven't been divorced any more than I've painted Scarlett Johansson's Polish face.
You only done that the once  then? :drinks:



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Just about to return to UK after extended trip “down under”, where it’s all perfectly legal in some states (e.g. NSW) and over in NZ.

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I'm all for it.

Then hopefully fully regulate it.

Then and only then can we get some trading standards in and ask for compo when we get B&S'd or encounter over-shopped pics  :D

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Amazing what can be achieved by making things up  :wacko:

...crazy people do crazy things. He was a psychopath. That was just the worst thing he did. I've had friends who have cut off mothers for doing similar or worse, and those who have cut off fathers.

Unfortunately parenthood doesn't turn all into saints.

But back to the topic at hand. Sex work is decriminalised in England. It's just not legalised. (Brothels not being legal vs being legal essentially). No one is having cuffs slammed on them for being an escort. Street work however is still mostly considered criminal outside of specified areas and hours. But I'm not entirely sure that is a bad thing (I admittedly don't know enough about it to say for sure).

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...crazy people do crazy things. He was a psychopath. That was just the worst thing he did. I've had friends who have cut off mothers for doing similar or worse, and those who have cut off fathers.

Perhaps you need to reconsider the types of people you associate yourself with  :unknown: