London Asians: how would you improve the service?

[Waterspout]

Are you satisfied with the Asian SPs that we have? What are your complaints? How would you improve it, in an ideal world?

For those who like them, why is that? What are you wishing for when you book, and does any of that happen when you get there?

[char45]

I used to see Asians regularly some years ago in the heyday of some of the famous ones Olina, Maria, etc. Best thing is service was typically consistently good with OWO, CIM, anal, rimming and often watersports on offer and without annoying demands for extras. I think I stopped because I didn't find a connection with them and preferred to see regulars who I got to know and who got to know what I liked, also I was spending too much at the time. From what I've seen from reviews there aren't really standout Asians in London, if more and better girls come over I might be tempted.

[SamOmar]

Most of us who book Orientals are attracted to typical charachteristics of east asian women. Petite , short , slim , cute , friendly , submissive and so on.

While there are a few who fit some of these criteria the thing they lack is sex appeal, technique and attention to detail.

In terms of Thai's they have really gone downhill and now i tend to go for Chinese which are more expensive and offer less service but tend to be younger. I would like to return to Thai girls of the standard in 2013 and 2008

[puntingpumping1920]

There needs to be a high end agency that provides Asian SPs with model looks
 
I've seen this provider in Mnky Hse (Monkey House)  --- 
 
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We need more providers that have her level of beauty or better 
 

[Jeffers77]

Fake photographs the obvious issue with many non Thai listings, a huge lack of honesty.

As for London, it seems there is an increasing lack of new girls.

[LLPunting]

There's no specific problem with "Asian" SPs that cannot be also said of all others.  The property market here, especially in London, is to blame for making the returns worse than other countries, both as a matter of direct costs and the resultant price inflation of all things.  It would be interesting to learn if the shift in the behaviour of punters, whether (younger natives) influenced by porn or because of the shift in balance of nationalities and how those cultures treat women and prostitutes, has also driven off SPs unwilling to tolerate it in a less profitable market.  Similarly whether the level and amount of criminality preying on SPs has also driven them off.

[soulmining]

I think there are good and bad Asian providers, the same as any other service providers out there.

There are lots of bait & switch ads online, but that's where this site is so helpful in for highlighting the reliable agencies and independent escorts.

I do think there are far less Asian escorts than there were 5-10 years ago, although Covid will definitely have been a factor in new girls not coming to the UK, and I also feel that the agency girls have become more jaded now - there's less of the pampering service and attention to detail that you used to get from the great Asian superstars of old. Also there's far few natural girls it seems, most seem to have enhanced busts nowadays.

I feel some of the indie providers offer a better service - however often at a more premium price than the agency girls, and often with add ons for extra services which I'm not a fan of.

[Zigura]

From a Thai prospective, I do not think service is an issue. The problem is that most of the current ladies are over 35 and not overly attractive. Pre 2016 there were much better options available. If you could bring over some of the hotter younger ladies you see in Pattaya, they would be in high demand. I think it is to difficult to enter the country now, so I do not expect the situation to improve.

[LLPunting]

From a Thai prospective, I do not think service is an issue. The problem is that most of the current ladies are over 35 and not overly attractive. Pre 2016 there were much better options available. If you could bring over some of the hotter younger ladies you see in Pattaya, they would be in high demand. I think it is to difficult to enter the country now, so I do not expect the situation to improve.

There's a business opportunity for a 20-day  quarantine stay, English classes and service tuition.  The girls would be provided cooking facilities and ingredients shopping, they could probably make a packet just selling their cooking to hungry punters.  Then they'd be unleashed on the highly appreciative punting scene to gather while ye may.
Perhaps a few of the wealthier punters here connected with the Thai managements can block-book some Airb*bs for a modest arrangement?

Get them all double jabbed in the process.  20 ladies, 4 flats, minted.

[Waterspout]

Thank you for all the great responses!

I thought one major answer might be "scrap the lot and start again". That is definitely one way. But if you only had what there is now, what could make it work better, on both sides of the transaction?

Agencies:
Fake photos (selfies have helped)
False measurements
Wrong services listed
Unpublished bad reviews
I don't know how agencies treat girls so can't comment on if that could be better.

Agency girls (Thai):
No psychological support (if they had it, I wouldn't need it🤪)
Do they have to have so many customers per day? I met two the same week with long-term injuries "from too much fisting and handjobs"
Drug use "to help with work" (whenever the first-time reviewer says "fabulously toned, never needs to go to the gym", i.e. skeletonised by meth)
Visas. There could well be other issues I am sure.
Service is quite standardised (I think) which is good but can be boring


Independents (often Chinese I assume)
Crazy pricing (which I actually really admire, also obviously people are paying those crazy prices. Does that suggest the budget is there for elite services at high prices? As one post mentioned)
Extras which should not cost - but it is very savvy to charge
Service quality/unpredictability
Conveyor belt and double booking (surely exists elsewhere but brought to a fine art here)
Cultural differences- am I excited by costumes I have no experience of (e.g. 'Korean school uniform" not recognisable as a school uniform to me)? Could I learn to be? Could they throw something recognisable my way from time to time?
Having to watch what looks like a litre of ouzo being spat into the bin every few minutes
Unpredictability of what services are not allowed, also understanding why. Is it something I'm doing wrong or is it a flat no go? This can change too. Not just Asian but seems more confusing somehow.
The photoshopping on Chinese independent pictures can be dire but still seems to take people in...

General
Yes, more choice would be nice
Natural and large breasts would be welcome
Other nationalities. I know they exist. I have even booked with a real Japanese girl. From Japan. That was in the day though. Singapore, other places, I never hear of these now.
I never expected the silk kimono slinky asian idea, but that would be fun. Feels racist but probably exists? Not here I think.


Just as an obvious "do you remember when", I will add that 10 yrs ago Asian Selection had 55 girls, most of whom doing A and many of them 24hr service.

[Waterspout]

There needs to be a high end agency that provides Asian SPs with model looks
 

What pricing do you think would work for this?

[scutty brown]

There's two things you have to remember in all this:
1) The majority of Thai sex workers in the UK are here because they came as mail order / trophy wives for old blokes who wanted a sex doll for a wife. Fifteen-thirty years ago the practice was rife, resulting in many widows and a lot of divorces. Result is you have a cadre of untrained unschooled Thais in their 30-40s who are unemployable except as sex workers and cleaners.
But the current generation of Thai girls have learnt their mother's lesson - few come here now as brides, while the numbers arriving as "students" is relatively low. The result is the average age of Thai working girls gets older every year.
2) Nearly all the Chinese sex workers in the UK are operating under the auspices of organised crime. Many, perhaps most, are here working because of deceit, intimidation, fake debt, or just general brutality. Even the few that are here voluntarily mainly owe huge sums under debt bondage schemes.
I've been made aware of Chinese parlours where the girls have been physically locked in to stop them escaping. Others where they were deprived of clothes to stop them leaving. Girls fooled into running up gambling debts, then being forced into sex work to pay off the debt. And those who are a bit slow to agree get gang raped to help them make a decision.
There are very few Chinese working girls in the UK who are free agents.


Now back to the original question: "How would you improve things?"

[LLPunting]

There's two things you have to remember in all this:
1) The majority of Thai sex workers in the UK are here because they came as mail order / trophy wives for old blokes who wanted a sex doll for a wife. Fifteen-thirty years ago the practice was rife, resulting in many widows and a lot of divorces. Result is you have a cadre of untrained unschooled Thais in their 30-40s who are unemployable except as sex workers and cleaners.
But the current generation of Thai girls have learnt their mother's lesson - few come here now as brides, while the numbers arriving as "students" is relatively low. The result is the average age of Thai working girls gets older every year.
2) Nearly all the Chinese sex workers in the UK are operating under the auspices of organised crime. Many, perhaps most, are here working because of deceit, intimidation, fake debt, or just general brutality. Even the few that are here voluntarily mainly owe huge sums under debt bondage schemes.
I've been made aware of Chinese parlours where the girls have been physically locked in to stop them escaping. Others where they were deprived of clothes to stop them leaving. Girls fooled into running up gambling debts, then being forced into sex work to pay off the debt. And those who are a bit slow to agree get gang raped to help them make a decision.
There are very few Chinese working girls in the UK who are free agents.


Now back to the original question: "How would you improve things?"

SB, there is something wrong with your unending narrative (2).  Collectively amongst the Londoners piping up here about encounters all across London is the total lack of the slave conditions you describe.  It may be the case up North, it may just be the case in your town but there's no such pervasive outrage being incessantly screamed by the media about the parlours up and down the land.  Why is that?

For sure I cannot be certain that none of the many dozens of Chinese I've met over the years weren't paying off debts but none showed any signs of abusive injury, none were malnourished or underfed (if only they'd been mostly skinny size 6s and 8s), none were fearful, none were catatonic or withdrawn, a fare few were resentful and otherwise contemptuous of my presence but in the sense that they could choose to reject or offend  me without being in fear of retribution from their "controllers".  I've been screamed at (despite minders present), I've been pushed for getting a refund before we even got undressed but no begging and whimpering for salvation.  So yes I probably did enjoy (or not) the attentions of women who were coerced by their financial circumstances but I'm pretty certain I never met someone Chinese literally or metaphorically whipped to have sex with me.  I have felt far more uncertain about Europeans but not so certain that I could call it in and no concerns since I generally stopped trying Roms, Albanians and Bulgarians.  Can't speak for Latins as I generally avoid them due to my aversion to fake attributes.

[Waterspout]

1) The majority of Thai sex workers in the UK are here because they came as mail order / trophy wives for old blokes who wanted a sex doll for a wife. Fifteen-thirty years ago the practice was rife, resulting in many widows and a lot of divorces. Result is you have a cadre of untrained unschooled Thais in their 30-40s who are unemployable except as sex workers and cleaners.

I haven't met the majority of Thai sex workers in the UK (although it feels like it) but the ones I know about have previously been escorts in Bangkok and Dubai. I haven't met a Thai cleaner.

But the current generation of Thai girls have learnt their mother's lesson - few come here now as brides, while the numbers arriving as "students" is relatively low. The result is the average age of Thai working girls gets older every year.

I think the reasons for the average age are covered in other threads but I haven't heard this one

2) Nearly all the Chinese sex workers in the UK are operating under the auspices of organised crime.

I'd be surprised if people earning such stupendous amounts had only ever attracted the attention of nannies and gardeners, and my experience is again limited but I haven't seen the conditions you mention. I've always been impressed with how happy they are.

What you say is self-consistent but doesn't tally with my own experience.
I can't prove it doesn't exist, just tell you I haven't seen it.

[Zigura]

£150 per hour has been the standard Thai Agency Rate since at least when I started back in 2007.
Maybe this has be increased, so more talent will be encouraged to come to the capital.
Whether people are willing to pay that is another matter.

[MrMohican]

For me the holy grail is WG that can do a really good therapeutic massage with a CIM service. So rare to find any that offer both at a good level anymore. Either the sex is good and the massage substandard or vice versa.

About 15/20 years ago there were a whole series of flats in the east end normally with at least two thai girls working advertised in the local paper as Specials or Extremes flats. The downside was they were normally in the arse end of nowhere, but they were such good VFM

Nearly all the girls could massage well as a standard and would rim you and let you fill their mouths with cum. Back then they even offered discounts. An hour in one of their slower flats would come in at £80 for an hour!... a return to those times would be amazing. Fat chance of that though...

[southcoastpunter]

2) Nearly all the Chinese sex workers in the UK are operating under the auspices of organised crime. Many, perhaps most, are here working because of deceit, intimidation, fake debt, or just general brutality. Even the few that are here voluntarily mainly owe huge sums under debt bondage schemes.
I've been made aware of Chinese parlours where the girls have been physically locked in to stop them escaping. Others where they were deprived of clothes to stop them leaving. Girls fooled into running up gambling debts, then being forced into sex work to pay off the debt. And those who are a bit slow to agree get gang raped to help them make a decision.
There are very few Chinese working girls in the UK who are free agents.

i have to agree with LLpunting on this - whilst no doubt some chinese might be in that situation, nearly all the ones i have seen over the years i would confidently say were not - but like so many foreign (and especially Asian) ladies, they are working to support families members "back home" but are def here of their own free will!

[Tomcat]

The last line is true, because when I get to know them they say the same thing making money here to support family back home.

Fucking CCP leaders getting rich whilst working people get poorer, and they say all is equal in China, bunch of cunts.

[tony22]

my two penneth. The Chinese I've met are not slaves. Most are here earning money to support a family and kid back home, and often to try and give their kid a better life. I've had a day out with one before from one of the rotational operations. I know, and have met Thai cleaners, waitresses and cooks. And it's true a fair number of the girls you meet are divorced or seperatated from UK husbands where they thought the grass was greener and it doesn't work out, and when they hit a rocky patch with the husband they generally know a girl in a massage place that can help them earn some money to pay rent and send some money home. Asians stereotypically have a stronger family ethic and will work to support wider family back home. Same as LL, I've had experiences with EEs that made me more suspicious of how 'free' they are.

[LLPunting]

The last line is true, because when I get to know them they say the same thing making money here to support family back home.

Fucking CCP leaders getting rich whilst working people get poorer, and they say all is equal in China, bunch of cunts.

You forgot to also condemn the systems, industries and leaders of every other country, so you know, the whole human endeavour sham.

[Stevelondon]

You forgot to also condemn the systems, industries and leaders of every other country, so you know, the whole human endeavour sham.

Could not agree more.

[Waterspout]

I was hoping you would want to improve Asians but it looks like Asia and now the world are in your sights. That's encouraging. Now I want to ask what do you think can successfully be improved?

[Jeffers77]

You forgot to also condemn the systems, industries and leaders of every other country, so you know, the whole human endeavour sham.

CCP compared to almost any Western regime? I'll take the West thanks.

[BillGoldberg]

CCP compared to almost any Western regime? I'll take the West thanks.

Absolutely 1,000% 

Thai girls have been my first and often only punting choice for decades now. Why? I find them more physically attractive than most other ethnicity of sex worker, they have masses of sex appeal (for me), a soft femininity that I've consistently found lacking in English and EE girls, the best skill set and I find the service ethic and provision consistently (but not always) unbeatable.

To improve the current situation (a severe lack of variety and new blood) : scrap covid mandates, quarantine policies and vaccination requirements countrywide and for entering the UK and vastly reduce property rental costs in London.

[Jeffe]

Some good points on here and think the combo of £150 staying as a fairly flat rate (quite remarkable given the overall price shifting in London!) and a lack of new & quality providers means those who are decent get overworked and burnt out. Covid makes it tricky, harder for new talent to arrive but also opportunities for those in need of a break to have one. Not sure what the solution is really 

One thing I would want to improve is the quality of kissing from the Thai WGs, the swirly tongue and wrong pacing always winds me up a bit

[Mmmaah!]

I’m surprised that considering some many Filipinas work in the NHS and Care Home sectors, I don’t see any Filipina SPs.

[britman]

I’m surprised that considering some many Filipinas work in the NHS and Care Home sectors, I don’t see any Filipina SPs.

Pinays are rare as SPs. As many Pinay ladyboy SPs as genetic girl SPs.

[scutty brown]

I’m surprised that considering some many Filipinas work in the NHS and Care Home sectors, I don’t see any Filipina SPs.

There's a Filipino place just reopened in Blackpool, they have a second place in mothballs
Deathtrap building, dodgy owners

before Blackpool they were in Surbiton
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That company is wound up, no idea if anyone else runs the place now