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[AlwaysLooking]

I was talking to a friend the other day about this and that, and we started talking about the fantasy shagging an 18 year old girl came up. We joked that at our age the chances of being able to pull an 18 year old where slim to none (especially at the moment we can't go anywhere). The conversation moved on to WGs and how you'd be able to confirm she really was 18, before anything happened. At this point it got rather silly, as too much booze had been consumed.

To be fair it's never something that I've worried about, most the WG I see are well into their 30s/40s. But do quite fancy shagging an 18 year old just for the hell of saying I've done it.

How would you ask her to prove she is 18, as I doubt many want to show you a birth certificate.

[B4bcock]

There is no cast iron proof.   What really matters is that she looks 18 and, more importantly, you believe she is 18.

[winkywanky]

I was talking to a friend the other day about this and that, and we started talking about the fantasy shagging an 18 year old girl came up. We joked that at our age the chances of being able to pull an 18 year old where slim to none (especially at the moment we can't go anywhere). The conversation moved on to WGs and how you'd be able to confirm she really was 18, before anything happened. At this point it got rather silly, as too much booze had been consumed.

To be fair it's never something that I've worried about, most the WG I see are well into their 30s/40s. But do quite fancy shagging an 18 year old just for the hell of saying I've done it.

How would you ask her to prove she is 18, as I doubt many want to show you a birth certificate.

There is a certain edginess about seeing an 18yr-old WG (it's on the edge of legality for starters I think) and most girls would know this, using it as a selling point.

I guess if you contacted such a WG with a view to booking, you could explain it's a fetish of yours and perhaps she could show you her passport (with her finger over her name of course)?

[southcoastpunter]

ok it might be something to tick off the list but you might not enjoy it.

A couple of years ago, I saw an 18 year old off AW. I have no proof she was 18 but she looked it. I turned up at her hotel and when she opened the door well wow - she was gorgeous. We did the money, she took off her clothes showing a stunning slim figure with amazing meduim sized boobs and I am thinking i had died and gone to heaven. Then she laid on the bed, opened her legs and said (more or less) - here it is. get on with it! Nothing back at all. She hardly moved and didn't say anything at all. it was like fucking a doll! I did not enjoy it at all.

[winkywanky]

That can often be the case.

A few years ago though, there were a 19yr old and a 20yr old in my vicinity (both English) with whom I had a few bookings, and they were as dirty as hell (in a good way), clearly both very sexually experienced and gave a good service.

They even did a duo booking for a while, which sadly I was never to experience  .

On the whole though, the very young girls are often flaky or just downright reluctant, which is of course as sad for them as it is for us, wasting our money.

[Fuggedaboutit]

One thing that really pisses me off with WGs is when their AW profile says "CuteTeen4U" and age is revealed as 20 plus....in which case you're not a fucking "teen" then  ....I really despair of the basic education levels of young people today...

[lillythesavage]

Find one that claims to be 18 or looks very young and ask her to dress St Trinians style. Asking for proof from a SP might not start a meet well. You could use other media and the SB scene but expect the donation to go up if you want proof of 18.

Personally I think the actual age makes little difference, if she looks the part your head will do the rest.

I met a 24 year old on Sunday, did the schoolgirl thing, and as she was very inexperienced and submissive with quirky looks and glasses, young looking anyway she could easily of claimed to be 18 and I would not have argued the point.
Age is just a number, that is what I told her anyway, I am the wrong side of fifty.

[AlwaysLooking]

On the whole though, the very young girls are often flaky or just downright reluctant, which is of course as sad for them as it is for us, wasting our money.

One of the reasons I tend to have found I go for those some years older.

[lillythesavage]

One thing that really pisses me off with WGs is when their AW profile says "CuteTeen4U" and age is revealed as 20 plus....in which case you're not a fucking "teen" then  ....I really despair of the basic education levels of young people today...

The stupid thing about that is once verified they can change year of birth to whatever year they want to, that is the only thing from Id that can be changed and even if they have a UK or EU passport the actual place of birth is the one listed on profile if it is stated on the Passport.

[AlwaysLooking]

Find one that claims to be 18 or looks very young and ask her to dress St Trinians style. Asking for proof from a SP might not start a meet well. You could use other media and the SB scene but expect the donation to go up if you want proof of 18.

Personally I think the actual age makes little difference, if she looks the part your head will do the rest.

I met a 24 year old on Sunday, did the schoolgirl thing, and as she was very inexperienced and submissive with quirky looks and glasses, young looking anyway she could easily of claimed to be 18 and I would not have argued the point.
Age is just a number, that is what I told her anyway, I am the wrong side of fifty.

Sounds like a good meet, would be interesting in knowing more about her.

[Fuggedaboutit]

Find one that claims to be 18 or looks very young and ask her to dress St Trinians style.

Also an issue. I'm also wrong side of 50, and to me "schoolgirl uniform" for role play/porn purposes has always meant St. Trinian's style gymslip and stockings, but nowadays it's all short tartan skirts and blouses tied under the boobs...

[lillythesavage]

Sounds like a good meet, would be interesting in knowing more about her.

A very interesting meet that I very nearly fucked up, and one I hope to repeat but you just never know with these youngsters who are not pro, mind you they can be flaky too, If it does get repeated I could well be posting on the GB thread lol, she is very inexperienced, very shy, but over the course of the night her mind was finding the way to her mouth little by little.

No it will not be a GB and no I do not want PM,s from all the lurkers, if it happens it happens and I will post for a suitable person or persons, and the Gb thread seems like the place to find someone with group or mmf experience.

For now I have to get a repeat and she has to get on birth control, not wanting any broken condoms causing me headaches.

[lillythesavage]

Also an issue. I'm also wrong side of 50, and to me "schoolgirl uniform" for role play/porn purposes has always meant St. Trinian's style gymslip and stockings, but nowadays it's all short tartan skirts and blouses tied under the boobs...

Trust me your age is not an issue if you find the right one, I posted this elsewhere, there are lots of young women, either skint or bored from not partying, posting here there and everywhere, lots bottle it and you have to be patient but can have lots of online fun along the way, they are venturing into the adult sex world often for the first time and older guys is often where they want to start.

As for the dress bit, I just said short tight and no underwear, she did the schoolgirl bit all on her own, black very short skirt, white blouse worn normally, hold ups, pig tails and plain black flat shoes.

[Corus Boy]

There is no cast iron proof.   What really matters is that she looks 18 and, more importantly, you believe she is 18.

Sorry but I would say most importantly, "She is 18!"

Unless you want to bew on the Sex Offenders Register.

Be clear, in no way am I suggesting that you are looking for underage sex.

[Kool Keef]

Saw one advertised as 18 in a parlour a few years ago, I don't know for definite if she was but if she wasn't 18 she wasn't far off.
The fantasy was much better than the reality & it ended up quite awkward because of the gulf in our sexual experiences, it seemed she was quite inexperienced & had just took the job to make some fast cash for a car or flat (can't remember the exact details) & not cos she was a hot, raging teen nymphette hellbent on banging multitudes of middle aged horndogs.

She seemed a nice girl, typical 18yo so I took it very gentle with her.
As a punt it was very forgettable & I came out thinking that I probably wouldn't book another girl that age.

[B4bcock]

Sorry but I would say most importantly, "She is 18!"

Unless you want to bew on the Sex Offenders Register.

Be clear, in no way am I suggesting that you are looking for underage sex.

The OP is querying how you tell if a SP is as young (in this case 18) as she claims and not actually older, which we all know is usually the case.  If the question was about verifying whether a SP was actually 18 when appearing to be younger I assure you I would have given a very different response.

[cunningman]

The OP is querying how you tell if a SP is as young (in this case 18) as she claims and not actually older, which we all know is usually the case.

I think you made an assumption - I have re-read the post and it just says 'really was 18'.

[lillythesavage]

I think you made an assumption - I have re-read the post and it just says 'really was 18'.

I think you made the assumption, no one else who has read or posted on the thread has brought up under age sex, you are the only one who is thinking that way.

Do you really think anyone would come on a punting forum and ask a question about looking under age sex? The mods would be all over it in minutes, Daviemac is doing overtime checking up on us newbies and Head 1 is helping out.

 

[B4bcock]

I think you made an assumption - I have re-read the post and it just says 'really was 18'.

If I have made an assumption, then so have you.  It just needs the OP to come back and confirm the situation he was posing so we can clarify things.  I am still convinced this post is all about women pretending to be younger than they really are.  If it is intended the other way I think the mods will stop it dead in its tracks.

[southcoastpunter]

I think there are too many assumptions being made. If you read the Op's post - the first two paragraphs are statements "setting the scene" and the last paragraph is the question he is asking:

that is ....."How would you ask her to prove she is 18, as I doubt many want to show you a birth certificate."

 It seems a simple enough question. Maybe it can be taken either way but either way it is about proving SHE IS 18 (and not older or younger).

[Dark Vader]

I've just done a search on AW for 18 year olds. 180 profiles UK wide and 16 profiles in the West Midlands.

[LLPunting]

I think there are too many assumptions being made. If you read the Op's post - the first two paragraphs are statements "setting the scene" and the last paragraph is the question he is asking:

that is ....."How would you ask her to prove she is 18, as I doubt many want to show you a birth certificate."

 It seems a simple enough question. Maybe it can be taken either way but either way it is about proving SHE IS 18 (and not older or younger).

Shame there's so few of us who actually read what's written.

[LLPunting]

There is no cast iron proof.   What really matters is that she looks 18 and, more importantly, you believe she is 18.

"Belief" is not a legal defence.  Whilst you may be giving the OP the benefit of the doubt, the reality of any encounter between an "adult" and a youthful looking prostitute means that it matters that they are actually 18 or older.

• "Sexual Exploitation of Children
  Children under 18, exploited in prostitution, should be treated as victims of abuse. See Guidance on Prosecuting Child Abuse Cases, elsewhere in the Legal Guidance.
  
  Those who sexually abuse children should be prosecuted under Sections 47 – 50 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003. See Abuse of Children through Prostitution or Pornography in the Sexual Offences Act 2003 – Guidance, elsewhere in the Legal Guidance. This covers the prosecution of those who coerce, exploit and abuse children through prostitution. These offences carry a higher penalty.
  
  Consent is irrelevant. A reasonable belief that the child is over 18 affords a defence if the child is 13 or over. There is no defence of reasonable belief if the child is aged under 13.
  
  If there is sufficient evidence, the public interest will usually require a prosecution if someone has sexually exploited child. In these cases, Prosecutors are encouraged to consider prosecuting strategies which do not require the victim to give evidence in court.
  
  See also guidance on Extreme Pornography; Indecent and Prohibited Images of Children; Obscene Publications, elsewhere in the Legal Guidance."
  External Link/Members Only

[B4bcock]

"Belief" is not a legal defence.  Whilst you may be giving the OP the benefit of the doubt, the reality of any encounter between an "adult" and a youthful looking prostitute means that it matters that they are actually 18 or older.

• "Sexual Exploitation of Children
  Children under 18, exploited in prostitution, should be treated as victims of abuse. See Guidance on Prosecuting Child Abuse Cases, elsewhere in the Legal Guidance.
  
  Those who sexually abuse children should be prosecuted under Sections 47 – 50 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003. See Abuse of Children through Prostitution or Pornography in the Sexual Offences Act 2003 – Guidance, elsewhere in the Legal Guidance. This covers the prosecution of those who coerce, exploit and abuse children through prostitution. These offences carry a higher penalty.
  
  Consent is irrelevant. A reasonable belief that the child is over 18 affords a defence if the child is 13 or over. There is no defence of reasonable belief if the child is aged under 13.
  
  If there is sufficient evidence, the public interest will usually require a prosecution if someone has sexually exploited child. In these cases, Prosecutors are encouraged to consider prosecuting strategies which do not require the victim to give evidence in court.
  
  See also guidance on Extreme Pornography; Indecent and Prohibited Images of Children; Obscene Publications, elsewhere in the Legal Guidance."
  External Link/Members Only

I have at no point in this thread been discussing underage sex.  We are discussing SP's who claim to be 18 when they are actually older.  I am not naiive enough to think that believing an underage girl to be old enough is any sort of defence against such a despicable act.

[Malvolio]

No way of proving it without asking to see some ID.  You might get a look at some ID if you become a regular, but I can't see someone you've not punted before showing that to you.

[Markc]

As many have said age is just a number. If you book a young women and she looks about 18 in your
mind but in reality is 22 that’s  fine. Remember these women are being paid to bring our fantasies to
life.
I was staying in Salford and booked an escort from Secrets escorts to come and see me at my hotel.
Her name was Payton and her profile said she was 19. When she arrived her age seemed about right. She
was blonde, fake tan, heavy makeup, wearing a short dress with high heels. I spend a very enjoyable
hour with her. I am in my early 50’s and she said she gets booked by a lot of older men. The next day
l went shopping at the Trafford Centre and all the young women were dressed to how Payton turned up
to see me.

But a word of warning about the ages that women put on their profiles. The next night l booked another
women from the same agency to visit me and her name was Nicky and it said she was 22. She was lovely
when she arrived but she was older than her profile said. I think she was in her earlier 30’s. This was in 2016
and she stills worked for the same agency and it still says she is 22.

So to sum up if you see pictures of a young woman you want to see l would just go for it.

[Link7]

I have at no point in this thread been discussing underage sex.

Ok, but you gave terrible advice which, if followed, could easily leave someone facing a long stretch 

[B4bcock]

Ok, but you gave terrible advice which, if followed, could easily leave someone facing a long stretch 

If you bother to read my posts it is obvious my advice was only intended in the scenario of an older woman claiming to be 18.  If you still believe I am trying to encourage paedophilia I suggest you report my posts to the mods and, if they agree, I will be immediately banned.

Somehow I don't think you will do that.

I get the impression some guys on here are suffering from lockdown boredom as there seems to be a lot of nitpicking, pedantry and pointless sidetracking of threads at the moment.

[cunningman]

Do you really think anyone would come on a punting forum and ask a question about looking under age sex?

Where did you get that from?  Checking that she 'really was 18' would avoid exactly that.

The OP is querying how you tell if a SP is as young (in this case 18) as she claims and not actually older, which we all know is usually the case.

Which words in the OP's post say that?  Point them out, go on.

My gripe here is that B4bcock makes a statement about what the OP is querying which is very definite but cannot actually be determined from OP's words as written.  It was an assumption, but its phrased as fact.

We all know that ladies lie about their age - but we also know that under-age girls can be convincing in pubs and clubs, and there are dangers.

[SpaceRaiderDave]

Concern about being underage can be used by the op to his advantage
My suggestion is he messages the 18 year old AW girls he fancies and tells them he'd love to book a session but is worried they might be underage so can he see a passport or similar which shows they are 18. If they agree then confirm that the birth date will show 18 and ypou will walk if it doesn't. 

[lillythesavage]

If you bother to read my posts it is obvious my advice was only intended in the scenario of an older woman claiming to be 18.  If you still believe I am trying to encourage paedophilia I suggest you report my posts to the mods and, if they agree, I will be immediately banned.

Somehow I don't think you will do that.

I get the impression some guys on here are suffering from lockdown boredom as there seems to be a lot of nitpicking, pedantry and pointless sidetracking of threads at the moment.

Lockdown boredom lol, weather boredom for me now, work is affected. How did an innocent post about a drunken chat that the Op clearly states is not his normal type of punt descend into this lol.

Loads have read it, a few of us have posted with experience and advice, each mentioning older girls looking the part. At no point has underage been mentioned until someone not joining in the general chat questioned the Op.

Fair enough, post a warning about the dangers of an inadvertent risk of booking an under age girl but branding us as discussing under age sex and questioning the Op about his motives after a drunken chat, that he has not even said he was planning, when those that joined the thread have suggested older looking younger would do the job does seem a bit OTT.

[lillythesavage]

Concern about being underage can be used by the op to his advantage
My suggestion is he messages the 18 year old AW girls he fancies and tells them he'd love to book a session but is worried they might be underage so can he see a passport or similar which shows they are 18. If they agree then confirm that the birth date will show 18 and ypou will walk if it doesn't.

At last , Some sensible and valuable advice without the need of accusations.

[Bikerman]

Legal to fuck an 18 year old but beware irs illegal to share pix until over 18..so if by chance a 17 year old sends naughty pix and you  get found out....you are in the wrong......

[Whiteknight]

Does it really matter if she proved to be 18?

Whats wrong with a 21 years old escort.  And there are plenty of twenty something.

[lillythesavage]

Does it really matter if she proved to be 18?

Whats wrong with a 21 years old escort.  And there are plenty of twenty something.

That was the general advice until we all got branded under age sex seekers

[somedouche]

How would you ask her to prove she is 18, as I doubt many want to show you a birth certificate.

Although my bucket list doesn't contain an 18 year-old checkbox, I do prefer younger birds. I saw some that looked real young to the point I was scared they weren't old enough for that job so I simply asked them to show me ID so that I could check they were over 18. Done this is in multiple EU states and never been met with a negative response.

So my advice is don't approach the girl as in "Show me your ID cause if you ain't 18 I'm outta here..." Instead approach the girl as if you like her and really wanna do her, just afraid you might be breaking the law. She's more likely to show you her ID in that situation. Then you can decide whether to walk away or not.

[S.X. MacHine]

In 2013 I had the pleasure of an 18 yo lass, Lizzie by name, not as part of any fantasy, but because my regular, with whom she shared premises, was unavailable.
Beautiful girl. Perfect figure. Greeted me in the real school uniform she used the year before. All services given as advertised.
And yet, the episode left me underwhelmed. She lacked experience, I guess.
She’s still a sex worker. 25 years old now. Must pay her a visit.

[Paris69]

Just for clarity; and I'm aware that the OP was talking about an older WG pretending to be 18 (rather than a 16yr old pretending to be older)..

Ignorance Is Not a Defense
Statutory rape is considered a “strict liability crime,” meaning that a defendant can be found guilty of this type of offense even if he/she was genuinely unaware that the alleged victim was under the age of consent. In other words, it is irrelevant whether or not the defendant had knowledge of the victim’s age, nor whether the minor agreed to the act. As impractical as it may be, adults have a legal responsibility to verify the age of all sexual partners.

Defendants can still be found guilty of statutory rape even under the following circumstances:
The minor lied about their age
The minor had a fake ID

Hope this helps..... If even one or two become aware of this, then the post has been worthwhile..

[S.X. MacHine]

Indeed, Paris 69; and not only in the UK. Silvio Berlusconi, a former Italian prime minister was jailed for shagging ‘Ruby Rubacuori’ (Ruby Heartstealer) when she was a month or so short of her 18th birthday.
Apparently in Italian law, the age of consent for a sex worker is 18.
He was acquitted on appeal on the basis that he made an honest mistake regarding Ruby’s age, despite legal provisions relating to strict liability. I guess the appeal court judges were in a good mood that day. The decision was, er, ‘controversial’.

[David1970]

Indeed, Paris 69; and not only in the UK. Silvio Berlusconi, a former Italian prime minister was jailed for shagging ‘Ruby Rubacuori’ (Ruby Heartstealer) when she was a month or so short of her 18th birthday.
Apparently in Italian law, the age of consent for a sex worker is 18.
He was acquitted on appeal on the basis that he made an honest mistake regarding Ruby’s age, despite legal provisions relating to strict liability. I guess the appeal court judges were in a good mood that day. The decision was, er, ‘controversial’.

When you say “the appeal court judges were in a good mood that day”, could it have been because of the size of the bribes they just received

[Paris69]

When you say “the appeal court judges were in a good mood that day”, could it have been because of the size of the bribes they just received

 

[Hobbit]

When you say “the appeal court judges were in a good mood that day”, could it have been because of the size of the bribes they just received

For a second I thought you were going to say something other than bribe. 

[AlwaysLooking]

To confirm, as the OP, this was about someone claiming their are 18, and seeing proof of this.

I am more than aware many on AW and other sites lie about their age, normally to make themselves younger. So I was writing this from a how do I know she is 18 and not 23 for example.

I take the point that she could be under 18, in which case proving her age will mean I would have nothing to do with her. But it was not my intention of looking for anyone under 18. I have no interest in this at all.

Think I'm just going to stick with my older milf types.

[Paris69]

To confirm, as the OP, this was about someone claiming their are 18, and seeing proof of this.

I am more than aware many on AW and other sites lie about their age, normally to make themselves younger. So I was writing this from a how do I know she is 18 and not 23 for example.

I take the point that she could be under 18, in which case proving her age will mean I would have nothing to do with her. But it was not my intention of looking for anyone under 18. I have no interest in this at all.

Think I'm just going to stick with my older milf types.

Hence why my post began...

Just for clarity; and I'm aware that the OP was talking about an older WG pretending to be 18 (rather than a 16yr old pretending to be older)..

I then thought that the info about Strict Liability might be of use to some punters...

[cunningman]

Hence why my post began...

Just for clarity; and I'm aware that the OP was talking about an older WG pretending to be 18 (rather than a 16yr old pretending to be older)..

I then thought that the info about Strict Liability might be of use to some punters...

How?  How were you aware at 2:50 this afternoon, when the OP clarified at 4:05?

Which words from the OP's posts gave you awareness, until the post at 4:05?

B4bcock asserted that it was the case but not the OP.

[Paris69]

How?  How were you aware at 2:50 this afternoon, when the OP clarified at 4:05?

Which words from the OP's posts gave you awareness, until the post at 4:05?

B4bcock asserted that it was the case but not the OP.

The way the thread read and unfolded led me to the conclusion that the OP was actually talking about older pretending to be younger; and not the other way.
And yes, B4bcock was the first to assert this: Which no one contradicted. Hence me coming to a conclusion (which could of course, have been wrong).

I debate this stuff with sharper cats than you tbh... Wasn't even gonna explain myself; but just thought 'why not'. Many things are said without the actual use of words and sometimes you need to read between the lines. OFC that means you can be wrong: But you need confidence and a good professional reputation to be able to accept that you're not always correct...

[cunningman]

And yes, B4bcock was the first to assert this: Which no one contradicted.

You are incorrect and a review of the topic would show that.  See reply #16.

I debate this stuff with sharper cats than you tbh...

What gives you that impression?  You don't know me at all.  No reason for the ad-hominem.  I respect that you accept that there was an assumption.  Unlike b4bcock.

[B4bcock]

B4bcock asserted that it was the case but not the OP.

And now the OP has confirmed my assertion was correct why can't you admit that your assumption was wrong and quietly bow out of this thread??

[Link7]

And now the OP has confirmed my assertion was correct why can't you admit that your assumption was wrong and quietly bow out of this thread??

If you actually stopped to read the comments instead of panicking, you might not be so upset. Only one person has used the word "padeophillia" on this thread, and it's you. Nobody ever accused you of that, you made that up yourself. People were simply pointing out that your statement "What really matters is that she looks 18 and, more importantly, you believe she is 18" is daft - you can easily end up on the wrong side of the law thinking like that. It doesn't matter you weren't even thinking of that risk when you said it. If OP wants to target fucking little 18 year olds, he needs to verify their age first, end of. Assuming they are 25 and simply look young is a recipe for disaster.

[lillythesavage]

Get the kids back to school please Boris, a fun thread has become so boring and hostile for what? Mentioning a drunken chat about fucking an 18 year old whore.