The Influence of UKP

[Bush]

How can we judge what influence UKP has in the world of punting and how can we know.

The reason I am contemplating this question is because of the number of times within reviews and comments I notice a reference to the girl being busy as a consequence of the good reviews flowing in.

Is that really the case do you think? I’m not sure either way....it would all be down to the viewing audience on UKP compared to the wider punting population.

If UKP is strongly influential that would be great and could/should be harnessed towards keeping standards up and prices down.

Any views Guys.

[tobyk1]

Pretty shit thread but hey ho:

We will never know due to high amount of lurkers. Every Noob this month stated how much use they got out the site before joining. There may be guests or non-guests who punt 10x more then the most hardened members (pun intended).

No doubt, it’s influential, but unmeasurable.

[Bush]

Pretty shit thread but hey ho:

We will never know due to high amount of lurkers. Every Noob this month stated how much use they got out the site before joining. There may be guests or non-guests who punt 10x more then the most hardened members (pun intended).

No doubt, it’s influential, but unmeasurable.

Shit thread but you post a response 
Would be interesting to see your definition of a good thread so that we can learn from the master.

[Jimmyredcab]

Good reviews do increase business, at least that’s what I have been told in the past. Hundreds of punters read the reviews every day even if they never post.

[daviemac]

Shit thread but you post a response 
Would be interesting to see your definition of a good thread so that we can learn from the master.

And you posted to reply to that.   

[Bush]

Good reviews do increase business, at least that’s what I have been told in the past. Hundreds of punters read the reviews every day even if they never post.

Hi Jimmy, yes, I’m inclined to agree which does beg the question what influence we as a group could have on the prices. I guess we probably do have an impact through our reviews which do take into account what we are paying. Michelle Independent is a case in mind......
Great looker, great service and very fair price = hard to get a punt with. I take it she has hung up her prossie knickers 

[stevedave]

I imagine it's the same as any review site - a good review somewhere will lead to increased interest in that service, whether it's a car, a restaurant, or a hooker.

Is UKP the only review site for WG's? No.
Is it the biggest review site for WG's? I don't know for sure but I'd guess, on a national level, yes it probably is. I know of a few regional sites, and sites for "specialist" services, but as a one stop shop for reviews, I'd wager UKP is the biggest.
Does UKP influence the popularity of a lass? Yes, but you'll never really be able to tangibly measure it.

[workinallweek]

 good reviews increase prices 

[Moby Dick]

It adds to reduced availability and pussy inflation.
The magnitude of which impossible to guess.

I am glad to see the visibility has been reduced to non members - Uninvited Guests.
Need to clear out the leeching cunts who haven’t reviewed, yet clearly still punt.

[smiths]

Hi Jimmy, yes, I’m inclined to agree which does beg the question what influence we as a group could have on the prices. I guess we probably do have an impact through our reviews which do take into account what we are paying. Michelle Independent is a case in mind......
Great looker, great service and very fair price = hard to get a punt with. I take it she has hung up her prossie knickers 

Taking Michelle Independent as an example before she started getting a good number of positive reviews on here she was in Chingford charging £100 an hour for a long time. Not long after becoming a UKP forum darling and racking up those positives she was in Kensington area mainly charging £120, then up to about £140 an hour. She also went up north to work and A/W profile often stated she was fully booked. THATS the power of UKP with forum darlings.

In my 12 years of posting on various punting forums I have seen no evidence punting forums cut WGs prices and that's because many punters aren't on them, or interested in them. And loads of foreign WGs aren't aware of them unless told. What I have personally experienced many times is a WG i punted with who then became a forum darling put her prices up and if I wasn't already a regular I would have had to pay the extra amount. And/or such WGs who were easy to book as suited me became very hard if not virtually impossible to get a booking off of that did suit me. I sometimes got the soonest I can offer is a fortnight next Friday, no good to me.

Reviews are the primary reason for UKP of course, its about info sharing but I am a realist not an idealist, the whole punting market wont be changed and prices slashed due to UKP. But what it can do is alert punters of good and bad WGs and it does that exceptionally well. Then we had Tontober where a couple of punters came up with the idea of WGs if willing cutting their prices in October, that worked very well with some WGs who offered a lower rate for that month, better than I thought it would do in fact. Didn't happen this year though mainly due to Covid I imagine.

[ReginaldPerrin]

It’s amazing how many SP’s have bad reviews on here and are still working away merrily. So many punters and SP’s are obviously not reading the reviews on here.

[Atlas1957]

I think the influence is overblown in respect to some posters thinking "I'll leave a neg and ruin her".  There will always be an underlying number of punters in any given area who just visit whoever is nearby for a basic pump and dump service and these will always keep any SP partly employed, no matter how badly reviewed.

However, I think there is some influence in bringing top quality SPs to the attention of hobbyist punters and then these particular SPs suddenly being quite busy.  Those punters who treat it with the same passion as someone who does any other hobby, be it fishing, golfing, cyclying, stamp collecting, whatever.  They put real money into their hobby, they find like minded people to talk about it constantly with and they are always looking for a top quality experience, such as a £500 rod/clubs/bike/stamps.  The same goes for the hobbyist punters, who know exactly what service they want from an SP and put serious time into reasearching as they try to find the best quality SPs in the region or country providing what they are after.  We aren't looking to spend £500 on one SP on one gousually, but if we can find a good one, we might spend that or more over the course of a few punts with them.

[usroads]

good reviews increase prices

Not necessarily -  lot of well reviwed SPs haven't increased their prices over the past year.
I do think UKP reviews increase a girls bookings - UKP is the (auto censored) for punting 

[Stevelondon]

I really do not have a clue wether this forum influences WG’s prices or not. I am just not that clever. I can only speak from personal experience the influence it has on me.
I treat the site as a host of information and sift though it accordingly.

[Jimmyredcab]

good reviews increase prices

It does make bookings harder to get, that’s why some on here keep a “gem” to themselves rather than do a review.

[Mr Sinister]

Oh I thought this thread was going to be about the social influence of UKP, like there other forums about but interested to know UKP standing amongst these.

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[Ticker]

I will admit to using this site where I first started punting over a year ago, albiet when I tried to register I was informed that new members where not being accepted.

I would say that yes we do have influence over how busy a girl is, negative or neutral reviews about the girls certainly influences my decision who to see.

I'll be posting some more reviews soon.

[bedhedred]

I don't think that negative reviews get enough attention. The impression is that shit SPs survive just fine. The only effect I can see is that well reviewed SPs get harder to book.

[mexicola]

Pretty shit thread but hey ho:

Every Noob this month stated how much use they got out the site before joining.

What amazed me even more was the huge amount of noobs saying "thanks I've been trying to join for ages and reading all your reviews" then proceeding to write really poor reviews in wrong sections, missing links, no prices, lack of details, etc.   

It was like they hadn't learnt, just taken information.

[Al]

I don't think that negative reviews get enough attention. The impression is that shit SPs survive just fine. The only effect I can see is that well reviewed SPs get harder to book.

Yes but financially for you overall, do you end up in a better position having not wasted £x on seeing crap CPs.

Yes some good ones may become harder/too expensive to see - but certainly if you see a lot of SPs it may save a lot of bad experiences.

All of the negatives posted recently could have saved me a fortune if I had seen them before.

[daviemac]

Oh I thought this thread was going to be about the social influence of UKP, like there other forums about but interested to know UKP standing amongst these.

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[luv2kiss54]

This site has a big influence on my choices. I very rarely TOFTT anymore as i have had some disasters when doing that. I dont trust the reviews on Adultwork so where else to look ?.

If i have a positive experience with an escort i like to share as she deserves to be promoted. It doesn't worry me that she will become busier as i like variety and dont usually do repeat visits unless she is exceptional. I will do a review of a negative experience as i dont want that escort to rip a fellow punter off but as someone else has said they still seem to get bookings as there is a big demand out there. I remember being messed about by an english girl and when i mentioned i would be doing a negative review she just couldn't care less as she knew the next punter would be along shortly.

[Harry Thomas]

If i have a positive experience with an escort i like to share as she deserves to be promoted. It doesn't worry me that she will become busier as i like variety and dont usually do repeat visits unless she is exceptional. I will do a review of a negative experience as i dont want that escort to rip a fellow punter off

I second this!

[JJDelta]

Judging by how active the forum is and the amount of registered members and guests. It's no doubt that UKP has a high influence on punters and subsequently WG's. Just like any business, it pays off if you provide a proper service consistently for all your customers. People shouldn't be interested in wasting £100+ on a shit punt, we demand decent service for a good price and will call you out on bullshit if it needs to be said. Some WG's cater to specific niche's and others are more generalised. No matter how you look at it, well reviewed and up and coming WG's are in demand.

Without UKP, I likely wouldn't have started punting. Only slight downside is you sometimes can't just text the WG for an appointment tomorrow, seems for the popular WG's you need to book days to weeks in advanced. But if you become a regular, you probably get priority booking compared to a brand new punter.

That's my 2 cents. This hobby is a great hobby and we should encourage anyone with the desire to explore it to it's full extent 

[FlatEarther]

As us 'noob but chronic lurkers' know... Only a few years ago agency sites like Diva and the HOD empire were both shunned to a large extent here. Now less so. Would be interesting to know if their business has changed much since all the KT reviews for Diva for example. I think UKP is a goldmine of information for punters that want to punt safely and find their niche, etc. I think saying we're here to keep prices down looks a bit shit tbh. But I know what OP is getting at. Market will set the prices as it always does. I think nothing will impact punting business and prices like the plandemic. But c'est la vie.

[xyfek]

Realistically, I don't think UKP has that much of an influence. There's some 30k registered users, I doubt that's much more than a few percent of the total number of regular punters in the UK.

It can have a local effect, in the sense that a forum darling will most likely never be out of business. It's easy to fall in the mindset of avoiding a TOFTT and instead pick up a good recommendation here. But in the grand scheme of things, the reality is that there's much more punters that know nothing about UKP than those who do.

Like others have mentioned, there's plenty of SPs loaded with negative reviews and yet they seem to be in business for years. I've also come across several AW profiles created ages ago and with plenty of views but very few reviews here, sometimes none.

[David1970]

It does make bookings harder to get, that’s why some on here keep a “gem” to themselves rather than do a review.

Is that why you have only done one review in 6 years, keeping your gems to yourself you old rouge

[Jimmyredcab]

Is that why you have only done one review in 6 years, keeping your gems to yourself you old rouge

Absolutely none of your business my friend, just worry about yourself. 

[RandomGuy99]

I think UKP is a useful resource for punters.

I think SPs massively dislike it due to the amount of grief and impact on bookings that can be caused if they get a negative or neutral review. They probably view it as a necessary evil because getting positive reviews will definitely drive bookings their way.  The best SPs have learned how to handle reviews on here i.e. don't throw your toys right out of your pram and extract the salient points from the reviews and seek to address them. 

I think the art is writing a negative or neutral review in such a way that it gets the salient points across without being nasty as it is about a person with feelings and other pressures in their lives that we as punters are unaware of.  I think the vast majority of SPs want to do a good job and get good reviews as it helps them make more money.   However, everyone has good and bad days in their jobs for a variety of reasons. Punters also have an important role to play in a booking going smoothly and it can take time for us to learn the ropes.

I definitely wouldn't go around telling SPs that you're a member on here as it will immediately make them nervous of getting a negative review if they put a foot out of place and that will affect the whole booking.  Generally, I only do a negative if something went significantly wrong and where I feel that I didn't contribute to the issue. Nobody is perfect.

[bedhedred]

Realistically, I don't think UKP has that much of an influence. There's some 30k registered users, I doubt that's much more than a few percent of the total number of regular punters in the UK.

It can have a local effect, in the sense that a forum darling will most likely never be out of business. It's easy to fall in the mindset of avoiding a TOFTT and instead pick up a good recommendation here. But in the grand scheme of things, the reality is that there's much more punters that know nothing about UKP than those who do.

Like others have mentioned, there's plenty of SPs loaded with negative reviews and yet they seem to be in business for years. I've also come across several AW profiles created ages ago and with plenty of views but very few reviews here, sometimes none.

Yes to all of the above. The membership is very restricted for one thing so as a percentage of the real user population, it must be small.

It helps to remember that when you proudly toftt someone, she might have been shagged by hundreds of guys who never admitted to it, or couldn't string a review together if they tried.

SPs are not much affected by negative reviews. Most punters don't read negative stories. I once downloaded 3 or 4 pages worth of ukp reviews. There is no doubt that a positive review will get 3 to 4 times more views than a positive. Neutrals are pretty much treated like negatives.

In the London thread, the for a negative to get real attention, there must be a robbery, knife pulled, deposit scam, or a Giaxo type controversy in order to be widely viewed.

A bog standard lying, time stealing, shit punt will be forgotten the next day.

Yet the latter is where most of the great British male's punting budget gets wasted. Go figure.

[xyfek]

Yes to all of the above. The membership is very restricted for one thing so as a percentage of the real user population, it must be small.

It helps to remember that when you proudly toftt someone, she might have been shagged by hundreds of guys who never admitted to it, or couldn't string a review together if they tried.

SPs are not much affected by negative reviews. Most punters don't read negative stories. I once downloaded 3 or 4 pages worth of ukp reviews. There is no doubt that a positive review will get 3 to 4 times more views than a positive. Neutrals are pretty much treated like negatives.

In the London thread, the for a negative to get real attention, there must be a robbery, knife pulled, deposit scam, or a Giaxo type controversy in order to be widely viewed.

A bog standard lying, time stealing, shit punt will be forgotten the next day.

Yet the latter is where most of the great British male's punting budget gets wasted. Go figure.

Some very good points, I agree with everything you say.

I had noticed before that positive reviews are way more popular than negative or neutral ones. Most likely, guys adding to their hot lists. I know I'm guilty of that.

[rathbone]

However, I think there is some influence in bringing top quality SPs to the attention of hobbyist punters and then these particular SPs suddenly being quite busy.  Those punters who treat it with the same passion as someone who does any other hobby, be it fishing, golfing, cyclying, stamp collecting, whatever.  They put real money into their hobby, they find like minded people to talk about it constantly with and they are always looking for a top quality experience, such as a £500 rod/clubs/bike/stamps.

Agreed, and I can add to that as I have another hobby which suffers from the "victim of its own success" problem.  The more that enthusiasts talk up their latest discovery, the more they spoil it: taking your fishing analogy I believe fishermen like to keep the good fishing spots to themselves.  In punting terms that's why some "hidden gems" take a while to appear on the forum, because punters perceive that they'll drive up prices and reduce their chances of being able to book, so they keep quiet to begin with.

[JontyR]

From an individual providers point of view I think this site can be very influential. But as for its influence on the overall market place? Well it is indirect at best.

A good review leading to five extra bookings a week is significant for that provider. If there has been an overall market downturn generally with folks following lockdown or having less cash / opportunity this is magnified.

I'm more interested in the reasons why a review is pos or neg rather than the rating itself. If it is to do with the delivery of a niche service which I am not interested in this is important.

There was a channel 4 show that was like "come dine with me" but with Hotels / B&Bs etc. Rather than marking out of 10 they paid what they thought the service was worth. It may be a laugh to do this with neg or neutral reviews - but there are a number of neg reviews that seem to revel in the 'look at me' aspect of them and they may give exaggerated responses to underscore their poitns.

[Foreveryoung]

From an individual providers point of view I think this site can be very influential. But as for its influence on the overall market place? Well it is indirect at best.

A good review leading to five extra bookings a week is significant for that provider. If there has been an overall market downturn generally with folks following lockdown or having less cash / opportunity this is magnified.

I'm more interested in the reasons why a review is pos or neg rather than the rating itself. If it is to do with the delivery of a niche service which I am not interested in this is important.

There was a channel 4 show that was like "come dine with me" but with Hotels / B&Bs etc. Rather than marking out of 10 they paid what they thought the service was worth. It may be a laugh to do this with neg or neutral reviews - but there are a number of neg reviews that seem to revel in the 'look at me' aspect of them and they may give exaggerated responses to underscore their poitns.

The programme you are referring to is called 4 in a bed.

[fredfunkster]

I can confirm UKP can affect an SP’s trade greatly. I gave an excellent review to a very good new SP, called her a week later, she said OMG it’s you, you’re the guy who gave me that review on UKP, my Adultwork is in meltdown.

A month or two later she was gone, burned out would be my guess.

I suspect the UKP effect becomes stronger as SPs get rarer, geographically, especially as a good punt in a hard-to-find area is that much rarer and more likely to get written up.

[Home Alone]

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In the London thread, the for a negative to get real attention, there must be a robbery, knife pulled, deposit scam, or a Giaxo type controversy in order to be widely viewed.

A bog standard lying, time stealing, shit punt will be forgotten the next day.

Yet the latter is where most of the great British male's punting budget gets wasted. Go figure.

I'd been toying with the idea of, once I'm all vaccine'd up, visiting some - relatively local - SPs with 6-figure AW Registration Numbers, hence long-time members of AW, who seem rarely, if ever, to be reviewed on here. And if they are reviewed on here, it's frequently in lukewarm terms. Yet they're still SPs - they must have a client base who are easily pleased.

[RandomGuy99]

Yes to all of the above. The membership is very restricted for one thing so as a percentage of the real user population, it must be small.

It helps to remember that when you proudly toftt someone, she might have been shagged by hundreds of guys who never admitted to it, or couldn't string a review together if they tried.

SPs are not much affected by negative reviews. Most punters don't read negative stories. I once downloaded 3 or 4 pages worth of ukp reviews. There is no doubt that a positive review will get 3 to 4 times more views than a positive. Neutrals are pretty much treated like negatives.

In the London thread, the for a negative to get real attention, there must be a robbery, knife pulled, deposit scam, or a Giaxo type controversy in order to be widely viewed.

A bog standard lying, time stealing, shit punt will be forgotten the next day.

Yet the latter is where most of the great British male's punting budget gets wasted. Go figure.

I usually read the negatives first. If they're for trivial reasons or for services I'm not interested in, then I disregard them.  I think most SPs get a few negatives as you'll always get some bookings that don't work out for a variety of reasons.

[bedhedred]

From an individual providers point of view I think this site can be very influential. But as for its influence on the overall market place? Well it is indirect at best.

A good review leading to five extra bookings a week is significant for that provider. If there has been an overall market downturn generally with folks following lockdown or having less cash / opportunity this is magnified.

I'm more interested in the reasons why a review is pos or neg rather than the rating itself. If it is to do with the delivery of a niche service which I am not interested in this is important.

There was a channel 4 show that was like "come dine with me" but with Hotels / B&Bs etc. Rather than marking out of 10 they paid what they thought the service was worth. It may be a laugh to do this with neg or neutral reviews - but there are a number of neg reviews that seem to revel in the 'look at me' aspect of them and they may give exaggerated responses to underscore their poitns.

I would hope that blatantly lying about FK, to get the punter to stay, is not niche, nor is trying to end a blowjob after two minutes! This tends to be followed by being pressured into penetration by 10 minutes gone, and then by huffing, gurning, eyes rolling and whinging if you have not busted by 20 minutes.

I find that if that type of shitty 30 minutes punts cost 30 to 50 quid, I would not bat an eyelid.

They would not be worth writing about or thinking about in the aftermath.

But those punts now cost 70, 80 or 100. Those prices begin to hurt. That's why I bother my arse to record those for posterity.

I am guessing that 99% percent of blokes just think that is a normal punt.

From what I am reading recently, you can have that happen to you in a junior Diva punt for 100 to 150 for 30 minutes so that's getting risky.

[Bonker]

I haven't seen any evidence of the effect of reviews on prices / availability. I play it with a straight bat and review as I see fit.

[workinallweek]

It’s amazing how many SP’s have bad reviews on here and are still working away merrily. So many punters and SP’s are obviously not reading the reviews on here.

 ive seen 2 girls that had bad reviews on here  one became a regular (now not working) so i tend to look overall not just one bad review

[Blackpool Rock]

UKP members may be a small overall % of the countries punters however it would be strange to think that it doesn't have an affect on business for a girl especially if the girl is well reviewed by a number of trusted punters.

So if UKP members who use reviews etc are say 5-10% of punters then 90-95% are unaware of reviews be it positive; neutral or negative.
On that basis a bad WG will still get bookings from the majority of punters despite having Negative reviews therefore her business won't hardly be affected, that's a shame for those punters but at least UKP members have the information so are protected or forewarned 

However if a girl suddenly has a number of good reviews then the 5-10% of punters in that region all have a heads up and if only a small % of the UKP punters enquire or try to book her then it's still a large increase in her enquiries.
So lets say a girl works a few days a week and tries to get 6 bookings a day so only 18 slots a week available, she gets 100 enquiries a week some from regulars; some from new punters and some from time wasters but she normally manages to fill the 18 slots or at least 16/17 though some are same day bookings and last minute.
After a few decent reviews she's suddenly getting 500 enquiries a week and the extra 400 are from genuinely interested UKP members, all of a sudden the 18 slots are gone 30 minutes or an hour after she 1st logs on and switches the phone on, she is now almost impossible to book.

How / why has this happened she asks herself until someone tells her about UKP and the fact she has had so much good feedback, then supply / demand kicks in as it does for almost any business / commodity and she realises she can up her prices by £10 / £20 / £Whatever she thinks she can get away with.
I know tradesmen who do the same when business is good any they are booked up for the next few months, yeah provide a quote for the job but what would normally be £1000 gets quoted as £1500 to test the water, sometimes the quote is rejected but so what they still have enough work and sometimes it's accepted so they make an extra £500

End result is good SP's becoming harder to get hold of and increase their prices accordingly, of course a girl increasing her prices is one thing if she spots the opportunity herself but then again some bellend punters also tell them they should be charging more, Fuckwits 

It's rare I find a gem but when I do I normally tip off a few punters who have helped me in the past before reviewing so that active members get a chance before the leeches clamp on and make her impossible to book 

[Harry Thomas]

I think UKP is a useful resource for punters. I think SPs massively dislike it due to the amount of grief and impact on bookings that can be caused if they get a negative or neutral review. They probably view it as a necessary evil because getting positive reviews will definitely drive bookings their way.  The best SPs have learned how to handle reviews on here i.e. don't throw your toys right out of your pram and extract the salient points from the reviews and seek to address them. 

I think the art is writing a negative or neutral review in such a way that it gets the salient points across without being nasty as it is about a person with feelings and other pressures in their lives that we as punters are unaware of.  I think the vast majority of SPs want to do a good job and get good reviews as it helps them make more money.   However, everyone has good and bad days in their jobs for a variety of reasons. Punters also have an important role to play in a booking going smoothly and it can take time for us to learn the ropes.

I definitely wouldn't go around telling SPs that you're a member on here as it will immediately make them nervous of getting a negative review if they put a foot out of place and that will affect the whole booking.  Generally, I only do a negative if something went significantly wrong and where I feel that I didn't contribute to the issue. Nobody is perfect.

Very well said, RandomGuy99. My thoughts exactly.