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yorkshire123

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Spurred on by a comment in this thread https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=51200.msg671118#msg671118

With the exception of street girls/car meets has anyone ever been pulled by plod for punting an Indie or brothel girl within the UK?
Personally I find the whole thought of police sting operations to catch out unsuspecting punters quite ludicrous but it seems some members still think it happens (even though its not illegal) but as I've only been punting for a few years & we have a vast knowledge & experience base here on UKP maybe we can set the record straight?

Offline Jimmyredcab

Shagging prostitutes in this country is not against the law -------------- although it could be if Harriet Harman gets back into Government later this year.

Never heard of "stings" being set up in this country but it is quite normal in the United States.

The police have been known to put policewomen on the streets to catch kerb crawlers.    :scare:

Offline hockogrockle

Shagging prostitutes in this country is not against the law -------------- although it could be if Harriet Harman gets back into Government later this year.

Never heard of "stings" being set up in this country but it is quite normal in the United States.

The police have been known to put policewomen on the streets to catch kerb crawlers.    :scare:
Quite right Mr Redcab. The law in this country has always recognised the right of a woman to sell her body. However, the law also clamps down on activities related to prostitution. So, while it is not an offence to have a fuck in a brothel, the police could cause you a bit of grief by taking your name and address with the ntention of calling you as a witness. (Although in practice it seems they just tell any punter present to f**k off, so to speak.)
They have absolutely no right to interfere in any activity involving an indie, porovided it takes place on private premises, and would need a search warrant to enter the property in any case. If you were busted in that way, it would suggest there was a large drugs stash, or suchlike, on the property, and that was what they were after.
As you say, that left-wing lunatic Harriet Harridan wants to change all this. But that's another story.

Offline smiths

Spurred on by a comment in this thread https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=51200.msg671118#msg671118

With the exception of street girls/car meets has anyone ever been pulled by plod for punting an Indie or brothel girl within the UK?
Personally I find the whole thought of police sting operations to catch out unsuspecting punters quite ludicrous but it seems some members still think it happens (even though its not illegal) but as I've only been punting for a few years & we have a vast knowledge & experience base here on UKP maybe we can set the record straight?

A punter isn't breaking the law as of yet for punting off-street unless a girl/woman was proved to be underage or being coerced/forced of course. The police shouldn't be interested in Indies who work alone at all times which is legal.

Obviously the police can raid a brothel at any time as the owner and any staff that actively help run it are breaking the law, the WGs and punters aren't though. I have punted in many brothels a lot over 32 years and not been involved in a raid fortunately. I have read on here and elsewhere on occasion about punters being caught up in brothel raids and from that feedback it seems it depends on the police at the raid what they ask. Some will simply ask a punter for his name and tell him to leave, others might ask for more personal info and tell the punter not to ever return or they could get nicked which isn't true but is designed to scare them.

Whatever personal info a punter gives the police do not lie as that is an offence would be my advice. I would give my name and address but not say anything else saying I need to speak to a Solicitor first, at least that's what I have decided to say but in practice if it happened perhaps that would change.

Aspen

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I don't know if they still do it. But the police in some areas went through a phase in the 90's of sending out cautions by post to owners of cars seen cruising, or even in some cases just passing through, red light areas. I remember reading about it and sometimes the results were quite distressing, but they just carried on with it anyway.

Offline S.X. MacHine

As has been said, prostitution is not illegal in England or Scotland although the god bothering nutters in Northern Ireland have made it an offence for the punter but not the prossie. Go figure!
Where I am in Scotland there have been moves by Labour MSPs, right harridans, uglier than HH, to make it illegal for punters to punt.
The feminists in the Scottish Parliament have managed to sneak in a new definition of prostitution, defining it as 'violence towards women' , which is wrong both in fact and in law. I fully expect another attempt any time soon to bring in the failed 'Swedish model' whereby punters are criminalised.
Not sure how they would plan to enforce it since Police Scotland have had their budget so reduced that the cops cannot even provide proper levels of normal policing. And it's only going to get worse.
I reckon they can never stop out calls to hotels; too much of a moving target to hit.
One thing we can do is avoid Romanians as they are generally reckoned to be pimped and coerced into escorting, giving the abolitionists a justification for their prejudice and proposals.

Offline Jimmyredcab

I don't know if they still do it. But the police in some areas went through a phase in the 90's of sending out cautions by post to owners of cars seen cruising, or even in some cases just passing through, red light areas. I remember reading about it and sometimes the results were quite distressing, but they just carried on with it anyway.

Unlikely they would be interested in cars "just passing through" a red light area ------------ they would be sending out thousands of letters.   

charming_red

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In a way this and the other thread is quite depressing reading. The future doesn't look promising, especially if Labour get in either this time around or next. Although any law would be difficult to enforce, a lot of punters still have a lot to lose and wouldn't be willing to take such a risk that we'll be forced into mostly outcalls.

yorkshire123

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3 days in & nearly 1500 views & not one member has admitted to the original question.

As I suspected police stings & punters getting arrested for attending brothels is in the main a figment of some punters imagination. quite frankly if it hasn't happened to any punter of the UKP population it must be either non existent or very rare indeed so maybe its time people stopped spreading such scare stories?

What the future holds in this respect is anybody's guess, my opinion is that absolutely fuck all will change & the fucking of prostitutes will continue much the same as it has done so since the birth of the first ever ugly randy teenager  :unknown:

Offline itk

Many years ago I had a letter sent to my home about my car being seen driven around the RLD of Norwich. It stated that in 15 minutes I'd been seen driving the same route of three streets, and was told the laws. Also had a mate caught mid-punt in his car, was followed by unmarked police car and ended up in court. Funny thing was, after giving his details he asked if he could have his money back from the WG as he hadn't finished.  :lol:

yorkshire123

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Many years ago I had a letter sent to my home about my car being seen driven around the RLD of Norwich. It stated that in 15 minutes I'd been seen driving the same route of three streets, and was told the laws. Also had a mate caught mid-punt in his car, was followed by unmarked police car and ended up in court. Funny thing was, after giving his details he asked if he could have his money back from the WG as he hadn't finished.  :lol:

 :lol:
Now that's what I call a proper punter

Offline MrSmiley

got this from wiki. (External Link/Members Only)

Current legal status

England and Wales

Although previous acts still remain in force, the Policing and Crime Act 2009 (together with the Sexual Offences Act 2003) replaced most aspects of previous legislation relating to prostitution. An important change resulting from the 2009 act was the amendment of the laws on soliciting and loitering for the purposes of prostitution. The main differences involve the shifting of focus from the prostitutes to the customers. Before 1 April 2010, it was illegal for a customer to kerb crawl/solicit only if this was done "persistently", or "in a manner likely to cause annoyance". Today, all forms of public solicitation by a customer are illegal, regardless of the manner in which the prostitute was solicited. The act also makes it an offence for someone to pay or promise to pay a prostitute who has been subject to "exploitive conduct". The law now applies to male as well as female prostitutes because the term "common prostitute" has been replaced with "person". Before 1 April 2010, a prostitute was committing a crime by soliciting/loitering in a public place more than once in a period of one month. Today, he/she commits a crime if he/she does it more than once in a period of three months.

Prostitutes

Street prostitution is illegal. It is an offence to loiter or solicit persistently in a street or public place for the purpose of offering ones services as a prostitute. The term "prostitute" is defined as someone who has offered or provided sexual services to another person in return for a financial arrangement on at least one previous occasion. To demonstrate "persistence" under the current legislation, two police officers must witness the activity and administer a non-statutory prostitute caution. This caution differs from an ordinary police caution in that the behaviour leading to a caution need not itself be evidence of a criminal offence. There is no requirement for a man or woman to admit guilt before being given a prostitutes caution and there is no right of appeal. Working as a prostitute in private is not an offence, and neither is working as an outcall escort. Nor is it illegal for prostitutes to sell sex at a brothel provided they are not involved in management or control of the brothel.[36]

Customers

Soliciting someone for the purpose of obtaining their sexual services as a prostitute is an offence if the soliciting takes place in a street or public place (whether in a vehicle or not). This is a broader restriction than the 1985 ban on kerb-crawling. It is now also an offence to make or promise payment for the sexual services of a prostitute if the prostitute has been subjected to "exploitative conduct" (force, threats or deception) in order to bring about such an arrangement for gain. This is a strict liability offence (clients can be prosecuted even if they didn’t know the prostitute was forced).[35] Additionally there exists an offence of paying for sexual services of a child (anyone under 18).

Third parties

There are various third party offences relating to prostitution. For instance, causing or inciting another person to become a prostitute for gain is an offence.[37] Pimping (controlling the activities of another person relating to that person’s prostitution for gain) is also illegal.[38] Similarly brothelkeeping is illegal. It is an offence for a person to keep, or to manage, or act or assist in the management of, a brothel.[39] Note that the definition of a brothel in English law is "a place where people are allowed to resort for illicit intercourse". It is not necessary that the premises are used for the purposes of prostitution since a brothel exists wherever more than one person offers sexual intercourse, whether for payment or not. Thus the prohibition on brothels covers premises where people go for non-commercial sexual encounters, such as certain saunas and adult clubs.[36] However, premises which are frequented by men for intercourse with only one woman are not a brothel,[40] and this is so whether she is a tenant or not.[41] Thus in practice to avoid committing this offence a prostitute who works in private must work alone. Additionally there exists an offence of causing, inciting, controlling, arranging or facilitating child prostitution.

Advertising

Advertising for the services of prostitutes is usually expressed in euphemistic language, partly as an attempt to avoid prosecution and partly as an expression of British cultural values. Prostitutes advertise in contact magazines despite a common law offence of "conspiracy to corrupt public morals" which was created in 1962 to prohibit such advertising.[42] Adverts for prostitutes are also placed in public telephone boxes (where they are known as tart cards) despite the Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001 making such advertising an offence. Adverts are also placed in newspapers, which is not in itself illegal. However, a newspaper which carries advertising for illegal establishments and activities such as brothels or venues where sexual services are offered illegally may be liable to prosecution for money laundering offences under the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002. This is the case even if such places are advertised under the guise of massage parlours and saunas. Some police forces have local policies in place for enforcement against prostitution services advertised in the local press. Newspaper companies sometimes adopt a policy of refusing all advertisements for personal services.[36] More recently, social media have become a common way to attract clients.[43]

Northern Ireland

Main article: Prostitution in Northern Ireland

It will be illegal to pay for sex in Northern Ireland from 1 June 2015 as a result of the Human Trafficking and Exploitation (Criminal Justice and Support for Victims) Act (Northern Ireland) 2015 which was enacted in January 2015.[3] Until then, prostitution in Northern Ireland remains legal as elsewhere in the United Kingdom, subject to a number of similar restraints.

Scotland

Main article: Prostitution in Scotland

Since devolution in 1998 the Scottish Parliament has started to pursue an independent policy to prostitution which had been historically similar to England since the Act of Union.

Street prostitution is dealt with under the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982, section 46(1). Kerb crawling, soliciting a prostitute for sex in a public place and loitering for the same purpose are also criminal under the Prostitution (Public Places) (Scotland) Act 2007. There was formerly no specific offence directed at clients in Scotland in contrast to the “kerb crawling” offence in England and Wales in the Sexual Offences Act 1985.

A Prostitution Tolerance Zones Bill was introduced into the Scottish Parliament but failed to become law. A number of attempts have been made to criminalise the purchase of sex but all have failed.

Reform of prostitution laws

The debate about the legal situation of prostitution in the UK centres around whether the UK should follow the example of the Netherlands, Germany or New Zealand and tolerate prostitution, or whether the country should make it illegal to pay for sex, like in Sweden, Norway and Iceland (a situation sometimes described as the Nordic model of prostitution).