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Offline OnTheSly

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Reports keep on coming up that soon cash will be obsolete and everything will be paid for on cards.

All the ladies I have ever visited always demand case, in fact I demand paying by cash so there is no paper trial for my hobby.  If cash were ever to be retired, I think my hobby would follow suit as I could never see myself paying for services using my debit card.

What about you guys?

Offline fudi_maar

I wouldn't lose sleep over it - the cashless society is a dream that has been brandished around for years. There are whole industries that reply on cash (builders, plumbers, casual labourers, taxi drivers, cleaners etc etc). Cash won't be dying out anytime soon.

It's like the 'paperless office' dream sold decades ago - even with sophisticated IT systems in existence, there is probably more paper the offices now than in the past.

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I wouldn't lose sleep over it - the cashless society is a dream that has been brandished around for years. There are whole industries that reply on cash (builders, plumbers, casual labourers, taxi drivers, cleaners etc etc). Cash won't be dying out anytime soon.

Whilst I agree with you to a degree, it's changing rapidly, of the examples you give it's now (for me)

Builders - Bank transfer
Plumber - Bank transfer
Casual Labourers - cash
Tax drivers - card
Cleaner - Bank transfer


It's changing at an alarming rate, I was speaking to a barmaid recently and she said card payments for drinks are far more common than cash payments, similar with Minicabs / Taxis the amount of cards / account jobs has increased dramatically and of course Uber is exclusively cashless.

The change away from cash is not complete (and wont be for many years) but it's a lot further advanced than many think.

« Last Edit: March 09, 2019, 09:55:36 am by James999 »

Offline smiths

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Reports keep on coming up that soon cash will be obsolete and everything will be paid for on cards.

All the ladies I have ever visited always demand case, in fact I demand paying by cash so there is no paper trial for my hobby.  If cash were ever to be retired, I think my hobby would follow suit as I could never see myself paying for services using my debit card.

What about you guys?

If we were anywhere near a cashless society their wouldn't be a new style (like £10s and £5) notes being put in circulation next year and the millions that costs to implement.

IMO cash will become ever less popular as time goes by but its got years and years before it becomes obsolete. 30 years ago I was being told the end of cash was nigh.

Offline Redpunter

At 65 years theres a good chance I will be long gone before this takes place, thank God and enjoy it whilst we can.

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Can't see it happening in my lifetime, but if it did I'd have no prob doing a bank transfer to my reg. 

If not a trusted reg though and anonymity was required then I'd most likely use a pre-paid card of some type or a second 'incognito' paypal account.

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Offline Belgarion

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Reports keep on coming up that soon cash will be obsolete and everything will be paid for on cards.

All the ladies I have ever visited always demand case, in fact I demand paying by cash so there is no paper trial for my hobby.  If cash were ever to be retired, I think my hobby would follow suit as I could never see myself paying for services using my debit card.

What about you guys?

If that ever happens, invest in one of those holiday type top up cards that has no link to you

Offline Yankee21

From June this year, will go card or my own pre-paid branded top up cards only in one of my businesses.

123eee123

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It will never go totally cashless..
Otherwise how are all those MPs and councillors going to pay for their rent boys without being traced

Offline DeanoDeano

If we were anywhere near a cashless society their wouldn't be a new style (like £10s and £5) notes being put in circulation next year and the millions that costs to implement.

IMO cash will become ever less popular as time goes by but its got years and years before it becomes obsolete. 30 years ago I was being told the end of cash was nigh.

Totally disagree, the reason new cash notes are being put in circulation is that they are easier to discontinue when it's required.

Offline Home Alone

At 65 years theres a good chance I will be long gone before this takes place, thank God and enjoy it whilst we can.

At 72, I doubt It'll affect my punting either. If it comes in, the spirit may well still be willing but I fear the flesh will be awfully weak!

Offline unclepokey

At 72, I doubt It'll affect my punting either. If it comes in, the spirit may well still be willing but I fear the flesh will be awfully weak!

+1 (though I'm actually -1 in age).

Offline workinallweek

If we were anywhere near a cashless society their wouldn't be a new style (like £10s and £5) notes being put in circulation next year and the millions that costs to implement.

IMO cash will become ever less popular as time goes by but its got years and years before it becomes obsolete. 30 years ago I was being told the end of cash was nigh.

The bank note changes effectively puts a large amount of 'lost' or 'stashed' money back in the system as it has to be changed up or spent , after all you cant walk into a bank and sudenly change up £50grand of soon to be discontinued notes without eyebrows being raised . Also HMRC want to see accounts done via approved software most of which has the ability to send invoices via e mail to recieve payment by bank transfer . Add these to the fact that bank brances are closing at an alarming rate all points towards the 'Cash is King ' quote becoming extinct .
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Offline Anadin

It doesn't worry me, if anything I embrace it. I'm kinda surprised there isn't a cashless option for punting right now. If cash goes, which it won't completely, it'll just be replaced with something almost as anonymous. I'd personally love to pay for a punt with my Smart watch. I've always hated having to get find cash before a punt and I really hate carrying it around with me.

Offline twaff

I definitely think there will still be cash for my time as a punter but it could be the wgs that drive any changes, the more they become switched over to transfer through bank etc then we might not have a lot of say in the situation.
As someone above has said it isn't great going about with a pocketful of cash and it must be potentially worse for a wg to be sitting on her takings until she manages to get them either banked or whatever way she disposes of the cash. A bigger majority might feel safer with bank transfer albeit it exposes them more to the taxman of course

Offline User176

No. As if punting would ever stop in a cashless society.

WGs will be accepting cryptocurrencies in a couple of decades. Just wait; it won't be an envelope, it'll be a QR code or an encrypted passkey.

mikexxlong

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more to the point will punters have a choice!

In an possible future cashless society, it’s one thing for your bank to know your complete spending history
 including your most sensitive purchases

But what happens when someone obtains an court order to view a record of your financial transactions
to determine whether you deserve custody of your child? Or whether you’re a “suspicious character”,
had motive to commit a crime? even evidence of a crime committed etc

In a cashless society, activities such as gambling, going to a strip club and purchasing sex lose their anonymity.
Not only do banks gain knowledge of your every purchase, but they open the door for others to police your morality.

What if the morality of a situation is not 'black & white'? Who gets to decide that a legal purchase such as buying sex, porn  or tipping a stripper is unethical?
What you and I may think is acceptable may be put in the same category as activities that are illegal and far less ethically ambiguous.

 For example,  in the US the Department of Justice had an a recent initiative called Operation Choke Point
that inadvertently grouped outright criminal activities etc and (legal)adult entertainment together in the same category of suspicious, high-risk activity,
 despite their fundamental differences in legality.

In a cashless society, we lose the option to keep legal yet morally questionable purchases private, leaving others to label them as they will.

Cash and thus anonymous payments are a basic right and must stay a choice for everyone.
Otherwise we lose not only notes and coins, but especially our freedom, our privacy and the ability to live unobserved.

Offline bobby1973

everything i do is cash
i don't do cards for anything
so no cash then bye bye

Ipman1973

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I'd happily pay via through some of the recent bank apps I've downloaded.  Starling and Monzo literally instant transfer , but the SP dictates cash only... no matter when I offer the option. Fair enough I guess as she doesn't want to come to the attention of HMRC. But eventually,  ultimately it's inevitable.  Perhaps bitcoin/crypto currency will be the way for dodgy dealing  :unknown:
« Last Edit: March 11, 2019, 08:52:52 pm by Ipman1973 »

Ipman1973

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I'd happily pay via through some of the recent bank apps I've downloaded.  Starling and Monzo literally instant transfer , but the SP dictates cash only... no matter when I offer the option. Fair enough I guess as she doesn't want to come to the attention of HMRC. But eventually,  ultimately it's inevitable.  Perhaps bitcoin/crypto currency will be the way for dodgy dealing  :unknown:


Ps  definitely recommend Transferwise for Thailand

Offline Malvolio

I may wait a while until a solution arises - but in all honesty we're a long way off that.

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 A lot of people who pay cashless dont realise the amount of money they are spending so it could have an adverse effect on prices
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Offline redveee

Only time I've handled cash in the last five days is collecting a small lottery win, £8, and to pay my Dad for some shopping he bought for me. With regards to spending without realising how much you are I have two prepaid CCs linked to apps on my phone, one for the coffee shop I use and I top that up when the balance gets to £5 and I do similar for GooglePay.