WGs reviews are rising - are we back?

[The Outsider]

Criticism yes, structured debate even more so, taking a holier than though butter don't melt in my mouth attitude like some on here sorry simply not on! Is it no wonder some reviews are faking what dates they actually had a punt or posting a review and refusing to state when the punt took place even when asked.

Is that the type of forum you/we want?

I'm happy for a debate.  I'm also "pleased" that some people are being honest and open, which allows us to hear their opinions. I was very angry about some behaviour early in this crisis, but I'm now resigned to the fact I can only try and look after myself while hoping the reckless don't hurt others. 

I'd equate punting during the virus to bareback.  (Although I actually think bareback is probably safer.)    People can do as they wish, but don't expect to be free from criticism. 

While it's illegal to even visit your own partner if you don't live together, I'm going to take a dim view on anyone furthering the spread.  People being irresponsible means we're likely to be in this situation for longer than may have been necessary.

[whaleears]

Taken from a thread on twitter last night...
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As I read this, unless you live together, it’s now unlawful to have sex with your lover indoors, but fine outdoors (subject to public decency offences); but you can have sex with an escort indoors, as that is reasonably necessary for their work purposes (see 7(d)(i)).

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Regulation 7 is a corker - prohibits two or more people from separate households from any interaction on the same property

One of the exceptions is work

So a visit from a sex worker is lawful but not from your partner if they live elsewhere

Now, I have no opinion either way on this, like many I'd like a blowy, but I'd rather it was safe to get one. However, this does seem, as Mr Green puts it above, a corker.

Apologies if this has already been posted.

[Horizontal pleasures]

The problem is WFH, working from home. My missus has been booked for her work to continue via Zoom not only this early summer, but in the autumn to the end of the year. (Teaching adults). So she will not leave the house much so I cannot hop out and punt.

My own work is at home for now and whether or when my travelling work will resume is unknown.

[KentAde]

The problem is WFH, working from home. My missus has been booked for her work to continue via Zoom not only this early summer, but in the autumn to the end of the year. (Teaching adults). So she will not leave the house much so I cannot hop out and punt.

My own work is at home for now and whether or when my travelling work will resume is unknown.

+1.. 

I'm in the same boat. I reckon I am not going to be back in my punting haven, ie Canary Wharf (for work) until late Aug/Sept..and it is killing me. I fear I have already lost my main fuck-buddy due to lockdown and she may have moved on..

 

[Plan R]

The "genuine" second wave he refers to a few months on is based on what happened in previous pandemics and the fear is that it will be much bigger as any immunity may have worn off and there will be that many more carriers (and possibly mutations) resurging across the populace as opposed to imported by those coming from foreign places.
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Great analysis LLP
A second surge around September will be a national public calamity.
On a selfish note September is just when the evenings start getting dark + I get the winter horn = great punting

Bollox 

[Jerk Chicken]

Chaps WGs have no reason to lie ... further we must be real daft to think all these green available lights on WGs profile are exclusively fucking in a resi.

Small hotels will not turn their nose up at WGs readies. Sunak has made it abundantly clear Govt. can't save every business. Hotel proprietors with tight cash-flow will do what they have to do. It's all about survival.

[Marquis]

Absolutely. Seeing a prossie is also one of the best ways to check your eyesight. Too much wanking during lockdown? Check out now if you've gone blind!

Thank you Mr. Cummings.

[LLPunting]

Chaps WGs have no reason to lie ... further we must be real daft to think all these green available lights on WGs profile are exclusively fucking in a resi.

Small hotels will not turn their nose up at WGs readies. Sunak has made it abundantly clear Govt. can't save every business. Hotel proprietors with tight cash-flow will do what they have to do. It's all about survival.

Maybe it's time for the English "Love Hotel" concept to cum to the fore?  Each room is minimally furnished (you can bring your own extras which you must remove or place in the incinerator) and sanitised after each occupancy.  Before you check-in there would be a temperature test and CoVID infection and antibody tests, no admission if you're you're obviously symptomatic and the test results give you a TTI point of progression post meet, all very responsibly done.

[southern punter]

Maybe it's time for the English "Love Hotel" concept to cum to the fore?  Each room is minimally furnished (you can bring your own extras which you must remove or place in the incinerator) and sanitised after each occupancy.  Before you check-in there would be a temperature test and CoVID infection and antibody tests, no admission if you're you're obviously symptomatic and the test results give you a TTI point of progression post meet, all very responsibly done.

This doesn't seem at all realistic in the slightest.  Your policy is based on science and pragmatism and net social harm reduction, and a complete lack of pandering to the prevalent morality of the levant 2000 years ago nor that of modern day Mail readers.

[LLPunting]

This doesn't seem at all realistic in the slightest.  Your policy is based on science and pragmatism and net social harm reduction, and a complete lack of pandering to the prevalent morality of the levant 2000 years ago nor that of modern day Mail readers.

Yeah, I know, devilish isn't it? 

I forgot to mention the showers, bidets and free condoms!  Diabolical!

[bhudda]

I have been tempted to dabble, out of boredom as much as the enjoyment of getting down and dirty with a naughty lass, but a few things have held me back

I've seen how hard nurses work at very close quarters in recent years, and if they want us to be careful to avoid them being overwhelmed then I am inclined to listen and support them, rather than being motivated by any bollox boris/cummings may come out with, as they strike me as thoroughly dishonest and hypocritical and incompetent.

My self and my wife are not in the highest risk age group but we are getting close, and my son is self employed, if I brought something back from an encounter that made them ill or even if it just forced my son to go into total isolation (and thereby lose his income) I would feel very bad about it.

I can't believe it is possible to spend 30 intimate minutes with someone who has the virus and not almost certainly catch it yourself, so if she has it, you will get it more than likely. 

And the fact that they are seeing several people a day, who in turn may be seeing other sex workers who also see several other people a day must mean that they are at higher risk of being infected than most. 

So it's not always easy to resist temptation, but I suspect my cock will remain reliant upon my right hand for the foreseeable future.

[Home Alone]

I have been tempted to dabble, out of boredom as much as the enjoyment of getting down and dirty with a naughty lass, but a few things have held me back

I've seen how hard nurses work at very close quarters in recent years, and if they want us to be careful to avoid them being overwhelmed then I am inclined to listen and support them, rather than being motivated by any bollox boris/cummings may come out with, as they strike me as thoroughly dishonest and hypocritical and incompetent.

My self and my wife are not in the highest risk age group but we are getting close, and my son is self employed, if I brought something back from an encounter that made them ill or even if it just forced my son to go into total isolation (and thereby lose his income) I would feel very bad about it.

Thank you for this post bhudda. It's good for me and, I'm sure, other single punters who have been really quite tempted - but have resisted - recently to see it. Bringing it down to personal experiences like yours is a salutary reminder of the risks the clients of the currently busiest SPs are taking.

I can't believe it is possible to spend 30 intimate minutes with someone who has the virus and not almost certainly catch it yourself, so if she has it, you will get it more than likely. 

And the fact that they are seeing several people a day, who in turn may be seeing other sex workers who also see several other people a day must mean that they are at higher risk of being infected than most. 

So it's not always easy to resist temptation, but I suspect my cock will remain reliant upon my right hand for the foreseeable future.

I'm surprised the Daily Mail hasn't commissioned a 'tame' epidemiologist to do some research on the R figure for the busiest of the currently working SPs. It's almost inevitable that their R figure will be pretty high.

[monsterballz47]

I'm already back, in a sense (as I have had sex with someone recently, but not an escort) and have a booking set up for sometime soon... Is that selfish? Dangerous? Nah, not in my opinion.

I, like the majority, have put my life on hold for the past two and a half months. I respect those who wish to continue isolating, and I get that people are afraid. But I think it's got to the point now where people just have to make up their own minds. We can't have lockdown forever... However, there is a problem. Or is there? I don't know how many of you are aware of this, but many of the new "rules" we've been following haven't actually been passed in law. Last week, it was not (technically) illegal to have sex with someone outside your household. From yesterday, however, it became illegal... Although, there are loopholes. Apparentely, for work purposes, it's allowed. So that's my defence if the plod try beating down the door when we're together. 

Oh, and just some final piece of advice... Avoid the mainstream media. They love to sell death, caranage and destruction. If they can't, in some cases, they will actually go out of their way to fan the flames. And to be honest, when the gov start making sex illegal (and at the point where things appear to be improving), I have to ask...is it about safety, or about control? (coughCOVID1984cough).

Yeah, maybe I am a tad crazy. But I still prefer to think of myself as been a little more open minded than most people when it comes to questioning narratives (whatever that narrative may be).

[Crackpot11]

All this nonsense about it being illegal to stay at someone’s house is preposterous. How can they enforce this or police it? After Cummings, most people are starting to realise the governments approach has been heavy handed and not one which those who have imposed have bothered following. Now the cat is out the bag there will be a race to unlock everything in a month, so no reason not to punt by July.

[Redpunter]

If Piers Morgan ever gets hold of this thread we are all up the Creek without a paddle he will blame the whole epidemic on us punters

[catweazle]

Yes I think quite a few punters are back. I also suspect that a fair proportion of recently posted reviews are in fact of recent encounters, and the punter doesn't want to open himself up to abuse by admitting to a recent punt, and so adds : "review of a pre-lockdown punt" at the start to cover themselves.

[hendrix]

All this nonsense about it being illegal to stay at someone’s house is preposterous. How can they enforce this or police it? After Cummings, most people are starting to realise the governments approach has been heavy handed and not one which those who have imposed have bothered following. Now the cat is out the bag there will be a race to unlock everything in a month, so no reason not to punt by July.

They're able to police some of it at least, as lockdown has turned many people into grasses.

[stevedave]

If Piers Morgan ever gets hold of this thread we are all up the Creek without a paddle he will blame the whole epidemic on us punters

He's definitely paid for sex, one way or another 

[David1970]

He's definitely paid for sex, one way or another 

More likely the Harvey Weinstein school is subduction.

[winkywanky]

If Piers Morgan ever gets hold of this thread we are all up the Creek without a paddle he will blame the whole epidemic on us punters

...and what makes you think he isn't a UKP member? 

[latecomer]

This may be a minority view here but -
Yes, Stay Alert but just ignore the government's stupid rules (which change whenever they like and don't apply to Chief Medical Officers, Advisers etc) and do what you want.  What right have they got to tell us we can't have sex for months on end?

[The Film Director]

What right have they got to tell us we can't have sex for months on end?

.. a point I've been putting to the Mrs for years now. 

[daviemac]

This may be a minority view here but -
Yes, Stay Alert but just ignore the government's stupid rules (which change whenever they like and don't apply to Chief Medical Officers, Advisers etc) and do what you want.  What right have they got to tell us we can't have sex for months on end?

This says it all for me.

Two of my family are Front line.
One of them has had to be the one who phones a family to tell them their loved one didnt make it through the night....shes 23.
I totally despair of the "couldnt give a fuck" attitude that a lot of  people have.
And to risk everything for a shag just defies belief.

I you can live with being the possible cause of that  well you carry on, it isn't like a STI that only affects you, this affects anyone you come in contact with if you catch it.

[monsterballz47]

I hope all those on here who are being so self righteous are condeming all partners (who aren't living together) who are having sex (because trust me, most couples won't have been abstaining from sex with each other for the last 10+ weeks). And let's not forget all those who disregard lockdown in so many other ways, from breaking social distancing to travelling the length of the country because they fancy a day at the seaside.

No government, in my opinion, should have the right to make sex (under any circumstances) outright illegal. For sure, the previous guidance made it clear, by highlighting what we CAN do. Fair enough. But now to say what we CAN'T do (and ergo, criminalise it), that goes a step beyond. It's already been stated by Dr Jenny Harris (who you should know from the daily briefings) that the chances of running into someone with the virus is 1 in 400 at this point. The WG I will be seeing is desperate for work. It's not like she's been seeing dozens and dozens of men per week, she's genuinely desperate. Her livlihood has been destroyed by this virus, and there's little to no support open to her. Is that fair?... I don't think so. I'm living alone at the moment, so no chances of me spreading the disease here. And don't worry, I'll be sure to isolate for 7 days (sure my mother wouldn't mind doing some shopping for me and leaving it outside). So yeah, please explain to me now why what I'm doing is wrong?

[GingerNuts]

I hope all those on here who are being so self righteous are condeming all partners (who aren't living together) who are having sex (because trust me, most couples won't have been abstaining from sex with each other for the last 10+ weeks). And let's not forget all those who disregard lockdown in so many other ways, from breaking social distancing to travelling the length of the country because they fancy a day at the seaside.

No government, in my opinion, should have the right to make sex (under any circumstances) outright illegal. For sure, the previous guidance made it clear, by highlighting what we CAN do. Fair enough. But now to say what we CAN'T do (and ergo, criminalise it), that goes a step beyond. It's already been stated by Dr Jenny Harris (who you should know from the daily briefings) that the chances of running into someone with the virus is 1 in 400 at this point. The WG I will be seeing is desperate for work. It's not like she's been seeing dozens and dozens of men per week, she's genuinely desperate. Her livlihood has been destroyed by this virus, and there's little to no support open to her. Is that fair?... I don't think so. I'm living alone at the moment, so no chances of me spreading the disease here. And don't worry, I'll be sure to isolate for 7 days (sure my mother wouldn't mind doing some shopping for me and leaving it outside). So yeah, please explain to me now why what I'm doing is wrong?

The government haven't made sex illegal per se. They've made it illegal for two persons from different households to be indoors together be that for a cup of tea, a game of monopoly or to have sex.

The same support is available for WGs as any other self employed person if they've been law abiding citizens and paid their taxes.

[monsterballz47]

The government haven't made sex illegal per se. They've made it illegal for two persons from different households to be indoors together be that for a cup of tea, a game of monopoly or to have sex.

The same support is available for WGs as any other self employed person if they've been law abiding citizens and paid their taxes.

"Per se"... *sigh*. Really? If you follow it to its natural conclusion...what do you have? A sex ban.

The same support is NOT avaliable. All they're offered is universal credit. My support is UC as well (amusement arcade worker in North Wales). My boss has gone bust without the Easter holiday money he needed from tourists. Whole thing has collapsed.

I notice that you failed to point out how what I was doing was wrong... Fair enough, then.

[GingerNuts]

"Per se"... *sigh*. Really? If you follow it to its natural conclusion...what do you have? A sex ban.

The same support is NOT avaliable. All they're offered is universal credit. My support is UC as well (amusement arcade worker in North Wales). My boss has gone bust without the Easter holiday money he needed from tourists. Whole thing has collapsed.

I notice that you failed to point out how what I was doing was wrong... Fair enough, then.

You have a ban on two people from different housolds being indoors together and the consequences of that.

There's plenty of support for self employed people who pay their taxes, up to £14,250 to cover a six month period as long as their annual profits weren't above £50,000 in 2018/19.

Right or wrong is a moral question, what you're doing is illegal.

[monsterballz47]

You have a ban on two people from different housolds being indoors together and the consequences of that.

There's plenty of support for self employed people who pay their taxes, up to £14,250 to cover a six month period as long as their annual profits weren't above £50,000 in 2018/19.

Right or wrong is a moral judgement, what you're doing is illegal.

"Consequences of that"... So, you're saying it is a sex ban?

"What you're doing is illegal"... Ah, so it is a sex ban, then. Glad we cleared that up.

Ronald Regan wasn't the most intelligent of blokes, in my opinion (and far from being a good president), but this following quote from him is simply delightful. I just love it because it's so very true (at least to me).

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help. "

They don't care about you, us or them. They only care for themselves (Tory or Labour, it matters not). All of them. Power, you see, is something precious few can handle (take a look at the majority of the police force for all the proof you need). And yeah, in times like these, they will strike out to see how much they can...get away with, as it were.

And yes, I am a law breaker sometimes (this wouldn't be the first time, so am not afraid), but that is of no consequence to me. I believe right and wrong are not points of view, they are universal truths. Even if I get arrested and jailed (doubtful), it doesn't really matter. It would only prove my point that this world has surrendered to fear in the name of...well, fear, really... But that's another debate altogether.

Take care, pal.

[ulstersubbie]

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help. "

Scary indeed!      

[Lou2019]

I’m intrigued to know which hotels are open

[GingerNuts]

I’m intrigued to know which hotels are open

As I'm sure are the authorities so best nothing is posted here.

[Lou2019]

As I'm sure are the authorities so best nothing is posted here.

obviously! there is the option to PM me of course

[GingerNuts]

obviously! there is the option to PM me of course

Perhaps best not to put tempataion your way to provide what would currently be an illegal service in an illegally open hotel.

[Chorley]

Re hotel meets, I'd probably wait a few weeks as most are either closed or have been block booked by local authorities to house rough sleepers.

[bhudda]

"Consequences of that"... So, you're saying it is a sex ban?

"What you're doing is illegal"... Ah, so it is a sex ban, then. Glad we cleared that up.

Ronald Regan wasn't the most intelligent of blokes, in my opinion (and far from being a good president), but this following quote from him is simply delightful. I just love it because it's so very true (at least to me).

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help. "

They don't care about you, us or them. They only care for themselves (Tory or Labour, it matters not). All of them. Power, you see, is something precious few can handle (take a look at the majority of the police force for all the proof you need). And yeah, in times like these, they will strike out to see how much they can...get away with, as it were.

And yes, I am a law breaker sometimes (this wouldn't be the first time, so am not afraid), but that is of no consequence to me. I believe right and wrong are not points of view, they are universal truths. Even if I get arrested and jailed (doubtful), it doesn't really matter. It would only prove my point that this world has surrendered to fear in the name of...well, fear, really... But that's another debate altogether.

Take care, pal.

In one of your earlier posts in this thread you suggested some may think you crazy, but i just concluded you aere thick. But the more you post the more likely it seems you are both thick and unbalanced.

[monsterballz47]

In one of your earlier posts in this thread you suggested some may think you crazy, but i just concluded you aere thick. But the more you post the more likely it seems you are both thick and unbalanced.

Wow. Well, that isn't insulting at all.

I think everybody has a little crazy in them. I just choose to embrace mine... 

However, I would like to know what makes you believe I'm unbalanced and thick. I'm not a conspiracy nut. I know there's a virus out there. I'm just of the Peter Hitchens school of thought, that's all (and he is anything but thick). We have overreacted to this virus, in my opinion. Anyone who does a shred of investigation would realise that the negatives of lockdown far outweigh the positives of it, and I'm not just talking from an economic point of view, either. From a health point of view it's the same. It is as though COVID-19 is the only problem we have. Cancer checks and treatments forgotten, dentists closed, mental health problems on the rise (and as someone who studied to be a psychotherapist, the way people ignore this specific negative aspect does anger me somewhat)... I'm sorry if me refusing to obey a, quite frankly, ridiculous law (so said by a Tory MP today on Good Morning Britain, for that matter) troubles you so.

Oh, and in future, I suggest you hold back on those ad hominem attacks.

Cheerio!

[bhudda]

Wow. Well, that isn't insulting at all.

I think everybody has a little crazy in them. I just choose to embrace mine... 

However, I would like to know what makes you believe I'm unbalanced and thick. I'm not a conspiracy nut. I know there's a virus out there. I'm just of the Peter Hitchens school of thought, that's all (and he is anything but thick). We have overreacted to this virus, in my opinion. Anyone who does a shred of investigation would realise that the negatives of lockdown far outweigh the positives of it, and I'm not just talking from an economic point of view, either. From a health point of view it's the same. It is as though COVID-19 is the only problem we have. Cancer checks and treatments forgotten, dentists closed, mental health problems on the rise (and as someone who studied to be a psychotherapist, the way people ignore this specific negative aspect does anger me somewhat)... I'm sorry if me refusing to obey a, quite frankly, ridiculous law (so said by a Tory MP today on Good Morning Britain, for that matter) troubles you so.

Oh, and in future, I suggest you hold back on those ad hominem attacks.

Cheerio!

It seems you can come across as quite lucid when you want to ... perhaps you should try it more often.

[Lou2019]

Perhaps best not to put tempataion your way to provide what would currently be an illegal service in an illegally open hotel.

I don’t think that’s an issue for me but thank you for the concern.

[monsterballz47]

It seems you can come across as quite lucid when you want to ... perhaps you should try it more often.

Well, maybe so, but it isn't half as much fun, is it? 

In all seriousness, I know how it looks. A small time member with only one review and 15 or 16 posts charging in and behaving in a, shall we say, animated manner? I will gladly contribute more, and would leave a review of my next booking, but don't want to get anyone steamed up (it will likely be very descriptive, you see) and put temptation in people's path who still want to nod along with government restrictions, so will save the review for after restrictions are lifted.

But hey, I enjoy having debates, so I welcome any and all criticisms of my views (and mild conspiracies), so no hard feelings, pal. All the best to you.

[daviemac]

I’m intrigued to know which hotels are open

Here's one -   External Link/Members Only

who said the hotel is currently still open for guests, including key workers.

[king tarzan]

I was very extremely tempted today to make appointment with a Russian hottie Elle from Diva.. but after thinking calmly and rationally decided against it.... and i feel better for my decision not to go..

[Jerk Chicken]

Well, maybe so, but it isn't half as much fun, is it? 

In all seriousness, I know how it looks. A small time member with only one review and 15 or 16 posts charging in and behaving in a, shall we say, animated manner? I will gladly contribute more, and would leave a review of my next booking, but don't want to get anyone steamed up (it will likely be very descriptive, you see) and put temptation in people's path who still want to nod along with government restrictions, so will save the review for after restrictions are lifted.

But hey, I enjoy having debates, so I welcome any and all criticisms of my views (and mild conspiracies), so no hard feelings, pal. All the best to you.

Post your review bro; dare I say it would be criminal not to include all the salacious details

 

[Jerk Chicken]

I was very extremely tempted today to make appointment with a Russian hottie Elle from Diva.. but after thinking calmly and rationally decided against it.... and i feel better for my decision not to go..

When do you think you will jump back in KT?

[king tarzan]

When do you think you will jump back in KT?

I seriously hope not tomorrow or very soon, I am trying to hold out till September at least.. extremely difficult..

[mrfishyfoo]

I'm happy for a debate.  I'm also "pleased" that some people are being honest and open, which allows us to hear their opinions. I was very angry about some behaviour early in this crisis, but I'm now resigned to the fact I can only try and look after myself while hoping the reckless don't hurt others. 

I'd equate punting during the virus to bareback.  (Although I actually think bareback is probably safer.)    People can do as they wish, but don't expect to be free from criticism. 

While it's illegal to even visit your own partner if you don't live together, I'm going to take a dim view on anyone furthering the spread.  People being irresponsible means we're likely to be in this situation for longer than may have been necessary.

This. ^^^^ 

[Fra66le]

Not really seen a rise in reviews in my area, not punted for a while myself but was trying to arrange one pre lockdown. I contacted said SP last week to try to arrange something in August. Got told they are still working....each to their own I suppose.

[mrfishyfoo]

I seriously hope not tomorrow or very soon, I am trying to hold out till September at least.. extremely difficult..

Fuck that as I'm near cracking. 

I've had words with a couple of lasses that I've seen before and they're being ultra cautious, no newbies just revisits etc, which suits me just fine at the moment.

The vibe I'm getting is give it a couple of weeks and it'll either all start going to shit again or it won't. If it doesn't then it's podging time.

[Northerndave666]

Perhaps we shouldn't be back ... but back we are that is for sure.

Post lockdown punts/WG reviews continue to rise reflecting punting sentiment which I take to mean a combo of the perceived risk is now less than it was back in say March and/or simply cannot wait any longer to grab some paid pussy.

The increase in WGs activating the AW green light/available today is also noteworthy.

I know this topic divides opinion on here but it is what it is. Forum members should feel free to say they  succumbed to their carnal desires and left home to fuck a WG without being hammered by the self righteous standing on the pulpit.

+1 Well said

[Redpunter]

...and what makes you think he isn't a UKP member? 

We all get on even though sometimes  we have our disagreements he is Billy no mates he’s fallen out with Trump and Sugar he couldn’t keep that big mouth of his shut long enough to last on here a day, plus we have to pay for it he would be after it for free.

Just out of interest have been in touch with a reg by text and she tells me she’s flat out this week, this being her first week back.

[winkywanky]

By flat out you mean flat on her back?