Are we getting less tolerant of those who don't review?

[mrhappypants]

For me - attitude is everything. If a person is polite and apparently well-meaning then I don't care whether they've written any reviews or not. I will answer their questions (if I can) and ignore their questions if I can't. It doesn't even bother me if it eventually turns out that they're not entirely serious, shall we say. The answers I gave may have been useful to another member who was serious. I agree that the most annoying thing they could do would be to admit to having seen a negative girl just after I'd suffered from her negativity. But, even then, their contribution would be useful to other punters since it would reinforce my bad review.

If a person is rude, aggressive, angry, bullying etc then it's an entirely different matter. Not even a 1000 reviews will redeem them in my eyes - though I might grudgingly admit that they're performing a useful service, if my arm was twisted!

You and I are at different ends of the spectrum.  I trust my judgement about people enough to be able to say pretty quickly in certain cases that I think someone is misrepresenting themselves or their interests and I will call this out. 

I value accurate TOFFT reviews highly; I don't mind if someone is edgy or abrasive if they publish accurate informative TOFTT reviews.  I am increasingly intolerant of parasites.

Dave

[Arley Hall]

You and I are at different ends of the spectrum.  I trust my judgement about people enough to be able to say pretty quickly in certain cases that I think someone is misrepresenting themselves or their interests and I will call this out. 

I value accurate TOFFT reviews highly; I don't mind if someone is edgy or abrasive if they publish accurate informative TOFTT reviews.  I am increasingly intolerant of parasites.

Dave

My feeling is that if somebody is misrepresenting themselves or their interests then they're probably trying to get some sort of reaction. If they don't get any reaction, or they get a very matter-of-fact response to their question, they're going to get very frustrated and disappear - either down the board or altogether. The only other motive I can think of is that they're some kind of fantasist - some kind of Walter Mitty character. But even then, nobody is forced to respond to them. Anybody who does take the trouble probably feels that their contribution will be of general interest so, in a sense, it doesn't really matter about the genuineness of the person who asked the question. If the question has no value at all then presumably it will attract no answers, and the fantasist will also disappear.

As to the point in your second paragraph, I think it's just a matter of personal taste. I remember there was a colleague at work who loved the TV programme ’Doc Martin' (featuring the famously abrasive doctor). To me, the sensation I got when watching it was akin to scratching my nails down a blackboard. She, on the other hand, would say: "He's such a good doctor. It doesn't matter about his personality.” My response to that would be that I'd rather drive 50 miles or die in my bed than subject myself to a his ministrations. Thinking about it though - it's not a perfect analogy - I don't care who's written the reviews when I'm researching a shag!

[Blackpool Rock]

I have noticed a bit more unrest about non reviewers and think it's a shame when good members feel less inclined to openly share information as freely as they may once have.
Now when I get asked info about a girl whether it's openly or by PM I assess the member requesting it, if they have been a member for ages and contributed nothing then they get nothing back but more than happy to share good info with active contributors

What the non reviewers perhaps don't realise or appreciate is that many members PM other trusted reviewers with recommendations about good girls weeks or months before reviewing them openly for the leeches to see

[The Vicar of Dibley]

Speaking as a newbie on UKP who has only been punting for about a year, I find the reviews very helpful. Especially the neutral and negative ones. Already I have seen a couple of reviews for WG's I have considered seeing and the information has given me pause. I may still see them, I may not. But the additional information is gratefully received and will allow me to make a more informed choice.

I have only posted one review so far, my most recent punt, but I will certainly post reviews of WG's I see in the future. If I am taking info from this forum only fair I add some too.

[OldAdmin]

Many years ago when I left good feedback on AdultWork for prossies it was to help my fellow punters, this 'keeping a gem to myself' is not something I do. I first knew other punters thought this way only after a prossie told me so during a punt, it being his reason for not leaving her feedback. If a prossie had zero feedback and turned out to be genuine and good punt, I would quickly leave her feedback to notify all those considering her that she was genuine not fake and to go ahead booking her.
This was the 2007-2009 days before UKPunting.

If I was still in the UK now I would post reviews regardless if anyone was "leeching" of my reviews and info and giving me nothing back, if they had a good punt then I'd be pleased to have helped a fellow punter.

So a prossie gets popular after I leave her raving feedback and I struggle to see her again because she's fully booked up, the fact I helped my fellow punters is more important than me being affected.

I run another site that is unrelated to sex but also has review system, and again it's the same as UKP, only a fraction of visitors to the site are ones who post, there is a Wikipedia page dedicated to this topic:
External Link/Members Only

And not forgetting this is a free site, I spend my time and effort to maintain it, and get nothing in return apart from the satisfaction that I'm helping other punters to share info, which is more important than some dirty money I could make from letting prossies and agency pimps advertise. If everyone was always wanting something in return, then UKP wouldn't be here as it is, instead it will be some website owners who wants to make as much money as possible.

[Turtle Z]

And not forgetting this is a free site, I spend my time and effort to maintain it, and get nothing in return apart from the satisfaction that I'm helping other punters to share info, which is more important than some dirty money I could make from letting prossies and agency pimps advertise. If everyone was always wanting something in return, then UKP wouldn't be here as it is, instead it will be some website owners who wants to make as much money as possible.

This is good to read and you certainly have my thanks. I also have websites so I know the work that goes into it. 

[mh]

And not forgetting this is a free site, I spend my time and effort to maintain it, and get nothing in return apart from the satisfaction that I'm helping other punters to share info, which is more important than some dirty money I could make from letting prossies and agency pimps advertise. If everyone was always wanting something in return, then UKP wouldn't be here as it is, instead it will be some website owners who wants to make as much money as possible.

Bloody socialist! 

[maxxblue]

Many years ago when I left good feedback on AdultWork for prossies it was to help my fellow punters, this 'keeping a gem to myself' is not something I do. I first knew other punters thought this way only after a prossie told me so during a punt, it being his reason for not leaving her feedback. If a prossie had zero feedback and turned out to be genuine and good punt, I would quickly leave her feedback to notify all those considering her that she was genuine.
This was the 2007-2009 days before UKPunting.

If I was still in the UK now I would post reviews regardless if anyone was "leeching" of my reviews and info and giving me nothing back, if they had a good punt then I'd be pleased to have helped a fellow punter.

So a prossie gets popular after I leave her raving feedback and I struggle to see her again because she's fully booked up, the fact I helped my fellow punters is more important than me being affected.

I run another site that is unrelated to sex but also has review system, and again it's the same as UKP, only a fraction of visitors to the site are ones who post, there is a Wikipedia page dedicated to this topic:
External Link/Members Only

And not forgetting this is a free site, I spend my time and effort to maintain it, and get nothing in return apart from the satisfaction that I'm helping other punters to share info, which is more important than some dirty money I could make from letting prossies and agency pimps advertise. If everyone was always wanting something in return, then UKP wouldn't be here as it is, instead it will be some website owners who wants to make as much money as possible.

Impressive post. I don't recall Admin talking about his ethos before in relation to UKP, but it is certainly one I would hope all fellow punters would adopt.

[webpunter]

The longer you are a member the easier it is to spot those who don't do reviews & don't add info to existing reviews.  Latitude given to newer members etc
I don't focus on those who don't do reviews - but their presence becomes obvious - often making posts which make them look like bell-ends.  I thus have less tolerance & either ignore them or take the piss when the opportunity presents itself
These individuals mostly seem to be lost in their own world.  With UKP being an arena where they can act out some of their fantasies.  Well until their mum has their dinner, tea or night-time hot chocolate ready 
I'm more interested in having a laugh on UKP, receiving good intel & hopefully giving something back
There are always exceptions to the rule & there are a few members who whilst not doing reviews have the gift of spotting wrong-uns.  And gunning them down.  Which benefits us all

[mrhappypants]

I think the contribution Admin and this site makes goes much beyond this.

What price to enjoy sex again?

Thank you.

Dave

[Desimonic]

My honest excuse for not putting up reviews, is my terrible english. Making a fool of myself and getting ridiculed really puts me down.
I respect all posters opinions and truly grateful for all the informative review and opinions, which have made my punting choices better and safer.
( lol 10 mins to right this and spell check 4 times, just imagine me writing a review, take me days )

 cheers guys

p.s love to put up a review, maybe some day

[maxxblue]

My honest excuse for not putting up reviews, is my terrible english. Making a fool of myself and getting ridiculed really puts me down.
I respect all posters opinions and truly grateful for all the informative review and opinions, which have made my punting choices better and safer.
( lol 10 mins to right this and spell check 4 times, just imagine me writing a review, take me days )

 cheers guys

p.s love to put up a review, maybe some day

I would much rather read one genuine review from you, given your explanation, even if it was full of spelling/grammatical errors, than reading 10 disingenuous reviews that were perfectly constructed in terms of spelling and grammar.

Get writing! 

[MrMatrix]

I would much rather read one genuine review from you, given your explanation, even if it was full of spelling/grammatical errors, than reading 10 disingenuous reviews that were perfectly constructed in terms of spelling and grammar.

Get writing! 

+1 maxblue. We are a kind of team and should be pulling in the same direction. I am interested in punting feed back. Not interested in criticising or giving some one a hard time as I was 2-3 months ago. This isn't about scoring points. And I would encourage all punters to put up a review even if there is a time delay. Personally I  think its only fair that fellow punters should contribute with a review and it doesn't seem quite right that someone can go 2-3 years and not put a review out. What is he here for. The reviews are the life blood of this site.

[Neal69]

Yes I believe the membership in general are getting more intolerant of non reviewers.

And I think this may have contributed towards the increasing numbers of reviews on here.

Not a bad thing IMHO.

Reviews are the life blood of this place.

Great post by Admin above and thanks from me for keeping this place going. It's the only place I can talk openly about my hobby. I have learned so much and just want to give a little back.

N

[Horizontal pleasures]

Is there an elephant in the room - though not actually in the thread - who has most posts for zero reviews?

[hairbald]

The challenge from my perspective is that since joining UKP I tend to see UTR girls (mainly babeshow girls) who I can't openly review.  I hope I contribute on the forums useful info as I was a past user of Maxes and, when babeshow girls are discussed, I can give some careful pointers too.

A number of folks have PM'd me for info and I hope I've been helpful to them but bottom line is that I just won't see many reviewable ladies.

[MrMatrix]

Is there an elephant in the room - though not actually in the thread - who has most posts for zero reviews?

err let me think for a mo. I wonder who your thinking of.............Nope no comes to mind

[vw]

Is there an elephant in the room - though not actually in the thread - who has most posts for zero reviews?

You are  obsessed with him, why not put on ignore, as you say you wont miss any reviews.   

[RedKettle]

Is there an elephant in the room - though not actually in the thread - who has most posts for zero reviews?

much as I do not like the chap I think we all need to get over this review issue.  Admin has said he is happy that he is a genuine punter so I just assume that there is a security reason why he does not review.  I like to think that he is really Ken Livingstone

[Students Notebook]

Many years ago when I left good feedback on AdultWork for prossies it was to help my fellow punters, this 'keeping a gem to myself' is not something I do. I first knew other punters thought this way only after a prossie told me so during a punt, it being his reason for not leaving her feedback. If a prossie had zero feedback and turned out to be genuine and good punt, I would quickly leave her feedback to notify all those considering her that she was genuine not fake and to go ahead booking her.
This was the 2007-2009 days before UKPunting.

If I was still in the UK now I would post reviews regardless if anyone was "leeching" of my reviews and info and giving me nothing back, if they had a good punt then I'd be pleased to have helped a fellow punter.

So a prossie gets popular after I leave her raving feedback and I struggle to see her again because she's fully booked up, the fact I helped my fellow punters is more important than me being affected.

I run another site that is unrelated to sex but also has review system, and again it's the same as UKP, only a fraction of visitors to the site are ones who post, there is a Wikipedia page dedicated to this topic:
External Link/Members Only

And not forgetting this is a free site, I spend my time and effort to maintain it, and get nothing in return apart from the satisfaction that I'm helping other punters to share info, which is more important than some dirty money I could make from letting prossies and agency pimps advertise. If everyone was always wanting something in return, then UKP wouldn't be here as it is, instead it will be some website owners who wants to make as much money as possible.

Thanks Admin for your support.
Clearly Reviews are very helpful to fellow punters.

When I started punting just over two years ago, I had no idea how important feedback (feedback of any sort) was. Actually I thought that when searching through girls on AW that the fewer feedbacks they had the better.  I thought this made them cleaner and fresher. Please don't all laugh at once.

After my first 8/10 punts, it dawned on me and I started to insist that my bookings on AW were confirmed and I started to give feedback and if the WG didn't give me feedback, I badgered her till she did. Now one of the things I look for in a WG is does she do feedback, if not I move on.

It was that strange creature RRR who "forced" me to make some reviews. I promised I would and I have done several but somehow I don't really enjoy doing them.

I really don't think that for my first 50 punts that I have been much swayed by the reviews on UKP but in the past couple of days I have put into my hot list two girls , both of them recommended by Saneones. 

SN

[Integral]

You are  obsessed with him, why not put on ignore, as you say you wont miss any reviews.   

+1

Seriously, this is good advice from VM.

I've added a certain someone to my ignore list and UKP (particularly off-topic )has become filled with flowers and cute bunnies and canydfloss...

[smiths]

Thanks Admin for your support.
Clearly Reviews are very helpful to fellow punters.

When I started punting just over two years ago, I had no idea how important feedback (feedback of any sort) was. Actually I thought that when searching through girls on AW that the fewer feedbacks they had the better.  I thought this made them cleaner and fresher. Please don't all laugh at once.

After my first 8/10 punts, it dawned on me and I started to insist that my bookings on AW were confirmed and I started to give feedback and if the WG didn't give me feedback, I badgered her till she did. Now one of the things I look for in a WG is does she do feedback, if not I move on.

It was that strange creature RRR who "forced" me to make some reviews. I promised I would and I have done several but somehow I don't really enjoy doing them.

I really don't think that for my first 50 punts that I have been much swayed by the reviews on UKP but in the past couple of days I have put into my hot list two girls , both of them recommended by Saneones. 

SN

I don't enjoy doing reviews myself, I do them on here sometimes so they might help other punters, so enjoying doing them isn't essential.

[mh]

I don't enjoy doing reviews myself, I do them on here sometimes so they might help other punters, so enjoying doing them isn't essential.

If your current 128 review count is just a casual "sometimes", then you're an even more prolific punter than I imagined! 

[Students Notebook]

If your current 128 review count is just a casual "sometimes", then you're an even more prolific punter than I imagined! 

Exactly my thoughts.

I'm surprised you have time to write reviews.

SN

[OakTree]

I don't enjoy doing reviews myself, I do them on here sometimes so they might help other punters, so enjoying doing them isn't essential.

Same here, I'd rather not be bothered with them but as I've gained from so many others, it's only honourable I give back.

[Turtle Z]

I don't enjoy doing reviews myself, I do them on here sometimes so they might help other punters, so enjoying doing them isn't essential.

Me neither to be honest. I have no interest in reliving the experience through graphic blow by blow accounts of the action and to be honest, I have no interest in reading that sort of review from others. I just want clinical facts personally, though I appreciate not everyone is like me. Oddly I get some enjoyment from doing the negative reviews because I can at least take the piss and try to salvage something from the terrible experience by way of humour.

[cueball]

I enjoy writing reviews to be honest, I try get all the facts across that I'm looking for in a review.

I have no issue with lads that post but don't review but I do have issue with the lads that feel it's acceptable to constantly ask for recommendations or post lazily expecting us to do all the leg work whilst they sit back and put nowt in.

[Arley Hall]

I think some people don't write reviews because to do so would not be compatible with their carefully cultivated uber-cynical online persona. After all, if they were to write reviews they would have to admit occasionally that they found a 'pro$$ie' attractive, that she turned them on, etc etc. That would never do!

[Neal69]

I think some people don't write reviews because to do so would not be compatible with their carefully cultivated uber-cynical online persona. After all, if they were to write reviews they would have to admit occasionally that they found a 'pro$$ie' attractive, that she turned them on, etc etc. That would never do!

Mmmm agree quite a lot with this.

N

[Neal69]

Or of course that they have actually seen a prozzie.

 

N

[Ben4454]

With the record broken of 1,248 new reviews in a 30 day period, the trip reports and the abundance of information available in Europe/world punting, we have a lot of value/advice being contributed on the boards. I think actually mega value is being pumped out. UKPUNTING even after 7 years is getting better and better. More people are contributing and a lot of positive change is happening in the UK punting scene. You can see lurkers slowly coming out of the wood work. Although a large majority just lurk this isn't a bad thing as the information on this board is helping them to walk away from Bait and Switches and general advice which improves OUR punting as a result.

[smiths]

With the record broken of 1,248 new reviews in a 30 day period, the trip reports and the abundance of information available in Europe/world punting, we have a lot of value/advice being contributed on the boards. I think actually mega value is being pumped out. UKPUNTING even after 7 years is getting better and better. More people are contributing and a lot of positive change is happening in the UK punting scene. You can see lurkers slowly coming out of the wood work. Although a large majority just lurk this isn't a bad thing as the information on this board is helping them to walk away from Bait and Switches and general advice which improves OUR punting as a result.

Good post, nearly 6 years though. In London anyway another good thing is a number of white knights have been banned and there are now many more genuine punters posting, good to see.

What I do find annoying are those who don't follow the clear review rules as posted up by admin. Just READ his rules before doing a review, its not difficult, or at least it isn't for those with some brains.

[Ben4454]

Good post, nearly 6 years though. In London anyway another good thing is a number of white knights have been banned and there are now many more genuine punters posting, good to see.

What I do find annoying are those who don't follow the clear review rules as posted up by admin. Just READ his rules before doing a review, its not difficult, or at least it isn't for those with some brains.

Yes I have to agree. Saying Sally Ann Big tits was great with no link or any detailed information can be uninspiring!

[Arley Hall]

Or of course that they have actually seen a prozzie.

 

N

Well yes - I doubt they have in some cases.

[OldAdmin]

Some members (I think numbering 10-20) have admin-approved 2nd accounts to post their reviews, because of privacy reasons.

Whether this applies to a certain member many have obsession with is something that you will have wonder, I can't confirm or deny.

[Neal69]

Well thanks for that Admin.

Explains a lot.

N

[Horizontal pleasures]

Well thanks for that Admin.

Explains a lot.

N

+1
I wonder if clues will be left.

[Thepacifist]

We're all very lucky to have this site and the Admin we have 

[MrMatrix]

Think we have to read between the lines here. An illuminating comment by Admin. Nuff said 

[Blackpool Rock]

Think we have to read between the lines here. An illuminating comment by Admin. Nuff said 

Agreed but unfortunately some members will now no doubt try and put 2+2 together and start coming up with 5

[The_Don]

Good post, nearly 6 years though. In London anyway another good thing is a number of white knights have been banned and there are now many more genuine punters posting, good to see.

What I do find annoying are those who don't follow the clear review rules as posted up by admin. Just READ his rules before doing a review, its not difficult, or at least it isn't for those with some brains.

Indeed

[MrMatrix]

Agreed but unfortunately some members will now no doubt try and put 2+2 together and start coming up with 5

Wouldn't waste my  time - I've got better things to do like get on with my life and where's next shag coming from. 

[seward]

Well after reading this thread it's quite plain that one or two feel a little agreived, that one or two don't contribute reviews,but you can't force  people you have to rely on them wanting to be part of the group and share their experiences, but in life you will always get certain individuals who either have no real world experience, or they don't wish to give anything,and of course there are those who like to get on forums and try to show their superior intellect, usually taken direct from Wikipedia, and rant knowing that he's secure in the virtual world, it becomes obvious they spend a lot of time on the keyboard, without real world interaction,they start to become a like the sad cases who stand shouting at passers-by, and they get very upset at being ignored,so start to say more and more outrageous statements, I suppose it's something lacking in their character, or some sort of neurosis,if they don't get the oxygen of attention, the sad world they inhabit falls apart,so why would we expect reviews from anyone like this just lots of talk,sad really and I'll bet most of us know some one like that, so please have tolerance, and sympathy for them this is probably their only form of entertainment.

[Juilius_Sneezer]

I am curious, with the record numbers of reviews and such, is there the possibility that people are getting concerned that WG's will start linking their encounters to their reviews and so start denying service? From what I gather this forum is well known to the majority of WG's. Maybe a victim of its own success.

[Horizontal pleasures]

I am curious, with the record numbers of reviews and such, is there the possibility that people are getting concerned that WG's will start linking their encounters to their reviews and so start denying service? From what I gather this forum is well known to the majority of WG's. Maybe a victim of its own success.

It is equally possible that there are at least two categories (or even more) of ladies who do not know about this forum. One is middle aged British amateurs - part-timers/milfs/chavs - from the provinces, not well wired, and the other is EE ladies who do not know enough English.

[smiths]

I am curious, with the record numbers of reviews and such, is there the possibility that people are getting concerned that WG's will start linking their encounters to their reviews and so start denying service? From what I gather this forum is well known to the majority of WG's. Maybe a victim of its own success.

Obviously a punter has to decide whether to review or not and the possible consequence of the WG working out who he was/is if he doesn't really want her to know. What I now do with good regulars sometimes is hold back a review until I have had my fill and got bored which always happens sooner or later so if they did work out who I was on here it wouldn't make any odds to me. All they would have is my punting number, easily changed if needbe and my description to go on.

Impossible to know for sure but in my opinion many WGs don't know about UKP, as HP posted, certainly many EE WGs and other foreigners who cant read the lingo, though more and more WILL certainly become aware of it over time as WILL more and more punters.

[AnthG]

Well after reading this thread it's quite plain that one or two feel a little agreived, that one or two don't contribute reviews,but you can't force  people you have to rely on them wanting to be part of the group and share their experiences, but in life you will always get certain individuals who either have no real world experience, or they don't wish to give anything,and of course there are those who like to get on forums and try to show their superior intellect, usually taken direct from Wikipedia, and rant knowing that he's secure in the virtual world, it becomes obvious they spend a lot of time on the keyboard, without real world interaction

The forum is classified as a "review and discussion site". So if you do one or the other you are contributing to the site.

Really I would say, if you do something that benefits the forum, you are contributing to the site.

I say this as for example, Aquarius has made only one review in 3 years. Never gets involved in chats or discussions. But he is one of the most helpful people to the community in my opinion because he spends his time on the forum spotting fakes and posts warnings for them day in day out.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;u=7744

James on the other hand (which everyone seems to be commenting about) spends his time helping people with responses to topics. He has been one of the most helpful to me over the years to me - by far too. He also helps people with personal recommendations and reviews by PM as opposed to posting them on the forum as reviews. If you lived in his area you would probably know this.

You could maybe argue that everyone should post reviews on the forum to help those hundreds/thousands of random people who read the forum and never even bother to post or do anything but just get advice from other people's work and money and leave. Or you could say that if you join and contribute and be active, then you will get a PM with some helpful recommendations because you are active on the forum.

But when someone has been on the forum for over 5 years, and is one of the founding members of the forum, and has amassed over 10,000 posts in that time, given you have only been here for four months, don't you think you should just trust that he is giving good advice as if he wasn't do you think this would have been picked up on by now by anyone in all this time and posts?

[seward]

AnthG I can honestly say unless I have empirical proof of someone's motivations, I think I would rather rely on my own assessments, and time is never a factor be it short or long, I can usually spot the clues that make people seem shall we say at odds with life,and as for taking things on trust I think not , but as you have a relationship with James , I will take your observation that he is a contributor to the site, it was that the thread was about those that dont review,and I didn't mention any individual I just made general observations on the subject.

[joe diddley]

I can tolerate people who don't or only rarely review if on the other they give valuable info.

It's the ones that don't review and give nothing back but just put posts asking if we've seen this or that girl. Or even worse want us to find them their ideal punt for the weekend.

I'd like to think I've fallen into the first category, having tried hard to contribute rather than ask questions that can be answered myself with a little digging. In the past most of the girls I'd seen had been reviewed by others previously in which case I'd add to existing threads (generally with enough details to confirm, add to, or contradict what the original reviewer had written) rather than start a new one. I have come to realise that most prefer new reviews even if the WG has been reviewed before, and I will try and write more of these, though I'm not punting much at the moment. Most of my action in recent months has taken place in Soho. Because of a history of reviews of Soho not being allowed in a certain place elsewhere (and we know where that is), because Soho mongers tend to view Soho as a world unto itself with its own codes and etiquette, and because Soho girls do not have Adultwork links, the great majority of reported Soho punts have tended to get discussed in the Soho thread rather than in new reviews. I see this slowly changing a little now as more Soho reviews have begun to appear, still fairly sporadically, on the Reviews board where they are more likely to be seen by those who have little knowledge of the Soho scene.