Punting phone - wake up call!

[nsa_fun_87]

There are numerous posts and threads on this site warning us all to get a punting phone, i have considered it but have been too lazy (and stupid) to be bothered to get one, and today i got a massive wake up call.

I was mid-way through a punt that was going well and taking a break in between rounds (with a girl that has positive reviews on here and AW) when she tells me about this app she uses to screen punters when they text her it brings up their details. So she goes on it and for my number it has my full name. She said sometimes it also brings up peoples addresses, but thankfully mine wasnt showing.

Thankfully me and this girl get on pretty well and i dont anticipate any backlash or for her to use the info on me, but beware lads as other girls may also use this.

Im guessing these details were shown because i use my personal phone for punting. But safe to say, this is the last time im doing that.

[Jonestown]

Did you get the name of the app ?

[jayj301599]

If you don't have a punting phone you're asking for trouble

[nsa_fun_87]

Did you get the name of the app ?

I think the app was called textme or somerhing like that. Cant remember for sure.

[Taggart]

I use a punting phone that’s off and I a locked drawer when not needed. Plus, my punting name is not my real name, so two steps of separation.

I am uneasy how/why numbers would come up unless you’d made contact or does the app scavenge contact lists in the background? It’s potentially bloody risky.

[Daffodil]

Scary stuff! 

Yep, I used to think that if you know your smartphone inside and out you may be able to use it and avoid a punting phone. This was many years ago! These days they’re so complicated and data sharing is so ubiquitous that if you value your privacy then you really need a separate phone.

[Gordon Bennett]

If you use any sort of call screening stuff in your home phone or mobile phone, stuff like TruCall to prevent nuisance spam calls for instance, you instantly agree to them harvesting all the phone numbers in your contacts to build their database of names/numbers. You can contact them and demand they remove your numbers/contacts though.
But, anyone who has your number.... Family, friends, work buddies for example could share your name/number at any point by dint of them signing up to a call barring service.
I suppose that does suggest a punting phone is advisable to ensure your identity is 100% kept discreet.

[lvtpunt]

But, anyone who has your number.... Family, friends, work buddies for example could share your name/number at any point by dint of them signing up to a call barring service.
I suppose that does suggest a punting phone is advisable to ensure your identity is 100% kept discreet.

Good point, I'd never considered it from this angle. I loathe giving out my details unless it's necessary, hence I don't actually use many apps myself and my personal phone has nearly everything off and/or their permissions blocked.  But you're quite right, whose to say your brother or mum or best mate allows any and all apps full access to their contacts.

I have used a punting phone for years, 12 quid well spent.

[Sparta Prada]

My last couple of Samsung phones have a feature where any calls will show a name registered to that number regardless whether you have that number saved or not.

[Dipper]

Question is , how do you stop phones linking name with number. 

[Gordon Bennett]

I did this..... Dunno how comprehensive it is? I'm kinda hoping it's permanently yanked my number off the database but I'm unclear if that's actually the case.

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[Mansell]

Big Brother is watching and anyone not using a punting phone is inevitably taking a risk. Up to you if it's worth the £25 or so to sort yourself out with a punting phone and sim bought with cash that can't be traced.  Yep, I did 

[LLPunting]

I think the app was called textme or somerhing like that. Cant remember for sure.

And this is why you fail!   

The most important bit of your tale.  You're going to be wanting to find out who runs that app, where they get their info from and how you go about getting it erased. If it's run by an ID theft ring or other nefarious crew who purchased the info from ID/data thieves then that would be useful to know and the app could be at least banned from legit app stores.

As you're on such good terms with her, please find out the app name and let us know back here. 

Start using your PAYG SIM and second handset not registered to anything in RL.

[m4rmite]

Doesn't the  truecaller app work like this?

[Gordon Bennett]

Doesn't the  truecaller app work like this?

Well yes. These apps are only as good as the number of people using the app though. You could set one up today called WhoDat? and I could download it but it would be shit unless thousands/millions of other people used it too.
Thing with TrueCaller is it's on millions of Home Phones (ie anyone who screens for marketing calls) so it has a very comprehensive database of numbers. The thing is, these apps are useful in day-to-day life..... I do use True Caller at home cos we plagued by marketing calls and although I don't have these apps on my mobile, Android seems to flash up the name of who is calling me, particularly if it's a business, anytime someone rings my mobiles.
This thread does seem to strongly suggest that if you use your personal phone for punting, you are most likely revealing your real name to the escort you're booking.

[parker]

there is only 1 escort i ring of my personal phone and i have known her 10yrs +  anyone else i use my 'other' cheap tack phone

[Princealbert1985]

I really do need to get one of these.
What would you recommend? A cheap smart phone, or just a regular one just for calling and texting?
My only issue is where to keep it etc etc. I do have a lady, but she's not the kind to go routing.... But the old What If is always at the back of my mind.

Thinking of saying a work phone that I'll only need in emergencies etc

[Happiness]

Thanks man.

I don't have one, I'm single. But I'd rather they didn't know my full name and address 

I better get one I guess. That's scary.

[yorkshirepunter3333]

leave your phone at home.

take punting phone.

I used to take my phone but turn of location services, then I noticed that if my other half opened find my phone it says 'location services turned off' , so that raises suspicion.

We need a wiki on this, the thread comes up very often and as tech changes the things to watch out for change (or do we have one) but I guess leaving phone at home will allways be good.

also, smart watch? if you leave your phone at home and your OH rings is that going to cause suspicion


wiki could also covert tips related to personal computer use, like using incognito and watching out for things being saved to a dictionary . I use a separate profile on google chrome rather than incognito but I understand the risks of this.

[advent2016]

Even if you use a punting smartphone and never connect to your civvy phone by email, sms, voice ,  twitter you can still get caught out by meta data.

Recently I installed Linked-in as the a  provider uses that to communicate.

A few days later using Linked-in at work I received a Do you know <Insert my punting phone email add> ??   You could have knocked me over with a feather.

Looking further into this the Linked-in app has grabbed location data and cell tower data, local WiFi hotspot data, bluetooth data and cross referenced me and my punting self through  Linked-in. I'm not too worried as they just want to scan your contacts and monetize you.  What worried me is that it seems to have done this automatically and what 3rd parties they might sell the data to


So be careful about using the same bluetooth in your car with your punting phone and own phone on same shared WiFi if you use apps like Linked-in, Whatsapp, Facebook etc. Make sure the apps don't run in the background. Best never let your punting phone enter near where you live or work when switched on.

I've created new emails, phone number, AW id etc that I use for punting

[Plan R]

I really do need to get one of these.
What would you recommend? A cheap smart phone, or just a regular one just for calling and texting?

Get a 'smart' phone, then simply;

Disable this,
Unblock that,
Uninstall this app,
Find out who runs that app,
Erase the other,
Check this data,
Erase that data,
Ensure it can 'talk' to next door's fly-mo,
Avoid data theft,
Read the manual,
Lock down the thingy-ma-jig,
Install these essential updates,
Uninstall those other updates (obviously),
Disable unwanted 'handshakes'
Read the 2019 software revisions
and for fucks sake make sure you set the [cont Page 94]
 

Alternatively;

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1. Switch on
2. Err...
3. That's it

 

[Daffodil]

Even if you use a punting smartphone and never connect to your civvy phone by email, sms, voice ,  twitter you can still get caught out by meta data.

Recently I installed Linked-in as the a  provider uses that to communicate.

A few days later using Linked-in at work I received a Do you know <Insert my punting phone email add> ??   You could have knocked me over with a feather.

Looking further into this the Linked-in app has grabbed location data and cell tower data, local WiFi hotspot data, bluetooth data and cross referenced me and my punting self through  Linked-in. I'm not too worried as they just want to scan your contacts and monetize you.  What worried me is that it seems to have done this automatically and what 3rd parties they might sell the data to


So be careful about using the same bluetooth in your car with your punting phone and own phone on same shared WiFi if you use apps like Linked-in, Whatsapp, Facebook etc. Make sure the apps don't run in the background. Best never let your punting phone enter near where you live or work when switched on.

I've created new emails, phone number, AW id etc that I use for punting

That’s really quite eye opening. There must be a myriad of ways to get caught out in this day and age!

So, what I’ve gathered from this thread so far:

1) An older generation, non-smartphone is obviously preferable. And has been for some time.
2) Not that you necessarily could, but don’t connect it through your personal wifi/Bluetooth connections and don’t connect it through public ones if your phone is also connected through them.
3) If possible, don’t even have your personal and punting phones turned on at the same time.
4) Don’t log into any of the same accounts on both phones.

[scutty brown]

I've got one mobile phone number which is listed on Google as belonging to one of my businesses.
Its interesting in that if I ring it using any Android phone it appears in the dialer under the business name even though the number isn't saved on the phone. The android dialer is sucking the info from Google maps/business listings

[smiths]

Yes use a basic phone not Smartphone for punting is wise in my view, mine isn't even registered in my name, I top up always in cash. That does the job for me. I would never use a Smartphone for punting.

[threechilliman]

Get a 'smart' phone, then simply;

Disable this,
Unblock that,
Uninstall this app,
Find out who runs that app,
Erase the other,
Check this data,
Erase that data,
Ensure it can 'talk' to next door's fly-mo,
Avoid data theft,
Read the manual,
Lock down the thingy-ma-jig,
Install these essential updates,
Uninstall those other updates (obviously),
Disable unwanted 'handshakes'
Read the 2019 software revisions
and for fucks sake make sure you set the [cont Page 94]
 

Alternatively;

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1. Switch on
2. Err...
3. That's it

 

Yep, great advice is that. Keep punting simple is my motto, less chance of coming unstuck.

[Al R]

I really do need to get one of these.
What would you recommend? A cheap smart phone, or just a regular one just for calling and texting?
My only issue is where to keep it etc etc. I do have a lady, but she's not the kind to go routing.... But the old What If is always at the back of my mind.

Thinking of saying a work phone that I'll only need in emergencies etc

I’m a cheapskate - the one I got was £4.99 in Tesco, plus a tenner’s worth of credit on Tesco mobile which they triple. The “free” credit gets used first and you lose that after 31 days if you don’t use it, but anything out of the £10 you paid rolls over.

My “emergency work” phone is fine for making calls and sending texts, which is all I need it for.

[LLPunting]

leave your phone at home.

take punting phone.

I used to take my phone but turn of location services, then I noticed that if my other half opened find my phone it says 'location services turned off' , so that raises suspicion.

We need a wiki on this, the thread comes up very often and as tech changes the things to watch out for change (or do we have one) but I guess leaving phone at home will allways be good.

also, smart watch? if you leave your phone at home and your OH rings is that going to cause suspicion


wiki could also covert tips related to personal computer use, like using incognito and watching out for things being saved to a dictionary . I use a separate profile on google chrome rather than incognito but I understand the risks of this.

We don't need a Wiki precisely because there are multiple threads (re-)covering this topic, seemingly at shorter and shorter intervals.  What (new) UKPers need to do is bother to search before asking a question.

[LLPunting]

Even if you use a punting smartphone and never connect to your civvy phone by email, sms, voice ,  twitter you can still get caught out by meta data.

Recently I installed Linked-in as the a  provider uses that to communicate.

A few days later using Linked-in at work I received a Do you know <Insert my punting phone email add> ??   You could have knocked me over with a feather.

Looking further into this the Linked-in app has grabbed location data and cell tower data, local WiFi hotspot data, bluetooth data and cross referenced me and my punting self through  Linked-in. I'm not too worried as they just want to scan your contacts and monetize you.  What worried me is that it seems to have done this automatically and what 3rd parties they might sell the data to


So be careful about using the same bluetooth in your car with your punting phone and own phone on same shared WiFi if you use apps like Linked-in, Whatsapp, Facebook etc. Make sure the apps don't run in the background. Best never let your punting phone enter near where you live or work when switched on.

I've created new emails, phone number, AW id etc that I use for punting

This doesn't make sense because I would be getting invites to connect with my RL self as I carry both phones with me much of the time and I have some social media profiles under different accounts on each phone.  None of my apps on my punting phone are permitted to access contacts on the phone or in my accounts.  I've enacted this both on the service end and in the app permissions on the phone.

I do not permit location sharing on either phone, it's nobody's business but mine as to where I am.  All apps are blocked from location info at the app level.

If your car is hoovering data off phones in range then you need to revisit its security and permissions setup because it is somehow breaching GDPR.

[LLPunting]

I've got one mobile phone number which is listed on Google as belonging to one of my businesses.
Its interesting in that if I ring it using any Android phone it appears in the dialer under the business name even though the number isn't saved on the phone. The android dialer is sucking the info from Google maps/business listings

Everything in Google's lake is offered back into your filtered bubble, whether via public or private associations.  Much of what you update on Google maps is for public consumption.  Be very careful if creating location lists of punting locations.  IF you inadvertently share them publicly then everyone will see them and perhaps even see who posted them.  Not that I've been trying to create a map of parlours or anything, ahem!  Am now looking for a different mapping tool. 

[LLPunting]

Yes use a basic phone not Smartphone for punting is wise in my view, mine isn't even registered in my name, I top up always in cash. That does the job for me. I would never use a Smartphone for punting.

This works if you commit all your plans for a punting excursion before leaving the internet behind.  If however you want to stash photos of the SPs to ensure/prove who you meet is who you wanted or you have to replan after being let down then a smartphone can salvage a frustrated excursion, especially for checking UKP before making a call.

[smiths]

This works if you commit all your plans for a punting excursion before leaving the internet behind.  If however you want to stash photos of the SPs to ensure/prove who you meet is who you wanted or you have to replan after being let down then a smartphone can salvage a frustrated excursion, especially for checking UKP before making a call.

Depends how organised you are, I can print off pics and then dump them when not needed, and I use that old fashioned thing pen and paper. In my case my plan B option is 1 of a number of regulars, I have no need to use the net or UKP to locate a plan B. And doing so last minute.com can be fatal as I know from the past which is why I don't punt like that now.

A basic non net phone is essential to my punting, I wouldn't use a Smartphone under any circumstances for any aspect of my punting.

[scutty brown]

A smartphone isn't a problem as long as its a PAYG  SIM and the phone is registered to a fake google account.
You'd need to use false ID on any social media accounts as well

[Steve2]

My Nokia has lasted more than 20 years and still does the job

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[Princealbert1985]

Get a 'smart' phone, then simply;

Disable this,
Unblock that,
Uninstall this app,
Find out who runs that app,
Erase the other,
Check this data,
Erase that data,
Ensure it can 'talk' to next door's fly-mo,
Avoid data theft,
Read the manual,
Lock down the thingy-ma-jig,
Install these essential updates,
Uninstall those other updates (obviously),
Disable unwanted 'handshakes'
Read the 2019 software revisions
and for fucks sake make sure you set the [cont Page 94]
 

Alternatively;

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1. Switch on
2. Err...
3. That's it

 

 

Fair point here!

[Clitheroelad]

£10 phone and pay as you go sim. Simple. Kept switched off when not in use. Usual phone switched off when punting, location services off.

[AnthG]

A blackberry from CEX would be better IMHO. As its the same idea as the supermarket el-cheapo but it also has the keyboard to make it way easier to text with.

[GreyDave]

This doesn't make sense because I would be getting invites to connect with my RL self as I carry both phones with me much of the time and I have some social media profiles under different accounts on each phone.  None of my apps on my punting phone are permitted to access contacts on the phone or in my accounts.  I've enacted this both on the service end and in the app permissions on the phone.

I do not permit location sharing on either phone, it's nobody's business but mine as to where I am.  All apps are blocked from location info at the app level.

If your car is hoovering data off phones in range then you need to revisit its security and permissions setup because it is somehow breaching GDPR.

Some times just some times you might need proof... work colleage was accused of being some where were he was not by a bitch of an ex to invoke restraining action against him ...After being taken in by old bill who belived her  obvisolely as he was on own and claimed to be 30 miles away his brief managed to get details of his exact where abouts at said time and even luckly CCTV as was in a Supermarket all down to moby details......I was surprised at this poor chap couldnt remember exact tims but as a result of the mobile info with the shop cctv al end well except a f`n big bill from breifs chambers more proof if needed pay fuck and forget is best policy 

[LLPunting]

Some times just some times you might need proof... work colleage was accused of being some where were he was not by a bitch of an ex to invoke restraining action against him ...After being taken in by old bill who belived her  obvisolely as he was on own and claimed to be 30 miles away his brief managed to get details of his exact where abouts at said time and even luckly CCTV as was in a Supermarket all down to moby details......I was surprised at this poor chap couldnt remember exact tims but as a result of the mobile info with the shop cctv al end well except a f`n big bill from breifs chambers more proof if needed pay fuck and forget is best policy 

Phone GPS is still active so logs would still be available for Police.  Cell tower triangulation on your active phone (or connection logs) would permit determination of location (to less accuracy) in the absence of GPS data.  Only problem would be if the area identified by these methods overlapped the location of the bitch and within the radius of exclusion.

[RogerBoner]

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Very good 

[Jonestown]

Something else to watch out for is that increasingly SP's are storing the numbers and names of clients on their phones. I the event of a police raid I'm sure plod would grab all the mobiles on site, and whilst what we get unto might not be illegal it's not a comforting thought that your number might end up on a register of, if nothing else, social deviants.

[AnthG]

Something else to watch out for is that increasingly SP's are storing the numbers and names of clients on their phones.

What is more worrying is if they decide to phone it at random. Which they do.

[Moby Dick]

Something else to watch out for is that increasingly SP's are storing the numbers and names of clients on their phones. I the event of a police raid I'm sure plod would grab all the mobiles on site, and whilst what we get unto might not be illegal it's not a comforting thought that your number might end up on a register of, if nothing else, social deviants.

How many names lick dickhead, cock, nutter, smelly arse, bad breath, timewasting Twat will be on that “register”

Of course WG store/record numbers, they need to text you the postcode, come to to room xx etc
They probably make notes about you, which helps them should you book again.
cross reference them to AW bookings and check on SAAFE.
Could be chaotic otherwise and then we will be slagging them off for bad comms.

You can argue the toss if it complies with GDPR.
If someone unexpectedly rings my punting phone I simply don’t answer.

[django0700]

£10 phone and pay as you go sim. Simple. Kept switched off when not in use. Usual phone switched off when punting, location services off.

Also if bought with cash rather than using a card, another traceable link is severed.

[lvtpunt]

Get a 'smart' phone, then simply;

Disable this,
Unblock that,
Uninstall this app,
Find out who runs that app,
Erase the other,
Check this data,
Erase that data,
Ensure it can 'talk' to next door's fly-mo,
Avoid data theft,
Read the manual,
Lock down the thingy-ma-jig,
Install these essential updates,
Uninstall those other updates (obviously),
Disable unwanted 'handshakes'
Read the 2019 software revisions
and for fucks sake make sure you set the [cont Page 94]
 

Alternatively;

Hidden Image/Members Only

1. Switch on
2. Err...
3. That's it

 

Spot on. Mine came from tescos, just walk in cash at the counter, came with a tenner of credit so could use it immediately. In fact I did, booked a punt within 15 minutes of buying it.

Side bonus, because it's old fashioned it still had the game snake on on it, perfect for when you get to your punt a bit early or she's not quite ready for you 

[Landscape]

Everything in Google's lake is offered back into your filtered bubble, whether via public or private associations.  Much of what you update on Google maps is for public consumption.  Be very careful if creating location lists of punting locations.  IF you inadvertently share them publicly then everyone will see them and perhaps even see who posted them.  Not that I've been trying to create a map of parlours or anything, ahem!  Am now looking for a different mapping tool. 

I use HereWeGo in offline mode on my main phone and it's been great. It gives me a selection of routes and places of interests such as petrol and train stations and it doesn't data slurp like Google Maps.

[LLPunting]

I use HereWeGo in offline mode on my main phone and it's been great. It gives me a selection of routes and places of interests such as petrol and train stations and it doesn't data slurp like Google Maps.

Thanks for that tip 

Just seen mention of the new Nokia flip phone and been reminded of their revised slider.  May nab one as a replacement handset/punting unit.

[Landscape]

Thanks for that tip 

Just seen mention of the new Nokia flip phone and been reminded of their revised slider.  May nab one as a replacement handset/punting unit.

You're welcome. 

The Flip is a lovely bit of kit but just a heads up it's not an android phone. It runs KaiOS so you'll more or less be stuck with the apps that are pre-loaded. If it's just for calls and texts it'll do you fine. 

[LLPunting]

You're welcome. 

The Flip is a lovely bit of kit but just a heads up it's not an android phone. It runs KaiOS so you'll more or less be stuck with the apps that are pre-loaded. If it's just for calls and texts it'll do you fine. 

But it  works as a 4G HotSpot so can "safely" Wifi a smarter device.

[magnetico]

TrueCaller is downloading the contact list of people using the app.

If you've got a mate who is using TrueCaller and who recorded your name in his contacts then...you're done.

[AnthG]

But it  works as a 4G HotSpot so can "safely" Wifi a smarter device.

That is actually really handy to know that. Can I ask is it all KaiOS based phones that offer this or just certain ones?