Looking for punters

[ZoeTVProducer]

** The Site Admin has kindly granted me permission to post **

I am a television producer making a Channel 4 observational documentary about an establishment in the North East. We have their full co-operation.

This documentary attempts to address the stigma sometimes attached to both WGs and punters, without being political, judgemental, or confrontational.

As part of the film, we would like to be able to interview punters about their experiences of the industry. I know it is a sensitive topic, but I'm hopeful that one or two of you will consider getting in touch to discuss.

If you would be provisionally interested in learning more, please do contact me, either by private message on here, or by call/text on 07548 944 348.

[restless_native]

without being political, judgemental, or confrontational.

The three things that make a TV show worth watching and usually get the ratings.

If a TV producer told me what day it was I'd double check on a calandar. 

[cunnyhunt]

This documentary attempts to address the stigma sometimes attached to both WGs and punters,

That would be the stigma perpetuated by the media and television companies to make a fast buck 

[fredpunter]

Possibly zoe could meet loads of punters, just put your profile on aw love. I expect she's a bait and switch though.

[galcom666]

I doubt it.

In that they will edit it for TV to get ratings. TV ratings often means playing to inbuilt prejudices. For example benefits street that really played up the prejudices heavily to score ratings. Even though there are numerous and reasons individuals may well be unemployed. It actively demonised such individuals and used a wide brush to tar the whole lot of them. You can see the difference in contrast between 2006 BBC skint where they followed some individuals who were down on their luck some were right to be demonised others were not.

Secondly much of the stigma is feminist bullshit. If you've ever watched a feminist argument about men making rational choices it always belittles the men.

For example just one argument.

Oh we don't want to get married because we're scared of commitment.  Many men don't want to get fucking married because we don't want to be taken to the cleaners come divorce time.

[Ali Katt]

I thought there was already a show in the works being filmed at City Sauna in Sheffield?

This documentary attempts to address the stigma sometimes attached to both WGs and punters, without being political, judgemental, or confrontational.

I've yet to see a documentary where the people that pay for sex in whatever way have been portrayed as anything less than sad wankers. "factual" TV in the 21st century is mainly an excuse to laugh at people. If anyone wants to see a good documentary on prostitution watch Hookers, Hustlers, Pimps and their Johns; if you want to see a shit one watch anything Channel 4 or BBC3 have put out in the last 10 years.

[pukkapunt]

shes called tvproducer ,therfore she is .............

im sure as a 'tvproducer' you have many members of the bbc in your phone book? so interview them. ,,, oh wait, they just have sex with kids. .... no stigma there.

[finn5555]

Oh how exciting where do I sign up   

[Stapler]

Zoetvprod.

How much are you offering for my time and experience?

..S....

[galcom666]

I thought there was already a show in the works being filmed at City Sauna in Sheffield?
I've yet to see a documentary where the people that pay for sex in whatever way have been portrayed as anything less than sad wankers. "factual" TV in the 21st century is mainly an excuse to laugh at people. If anyone wants to see a good documentary on prostitution watch Hookers, Hustlers, Pimps and their Johns; if you want to see a shit one watch anything Channel 4 or BBC3 have put out in the last 10 years.

That BBC one repeated recently was fairly open though in that it was less negative it was more it's something that happens....

I think it has been normalised to a great degree as said 13 or so years ago FHM were quite happy to say £100 buys you a shag with a Polish prossie and were actually recommending men to go to such a thing.

With the decline of religion AND the fact society at large has fallen on hard times, its not something you want to advertise out loud but it is normalised to the degree where people are thinking oh, ok...

[Jimmyredcab]

I wish you luck Zoe -------------------------- we have guys on here who park six streets away when they visit a prostitute, unlikely they will want to talk to you.     

[Ravanelli]

I was interviewed for a BBC radio programme once and ahead of that they sent out a researcher to meet me in preparation for the news item. The researcher clearly wanted to put her own angle on things and I was repeatedly correcting her assumptions and mistakes. I then went into the studio only to be faced with all the same incorrect assumptions and ridiculous sensationalist questions that I had asked her to correct, and this was live on air. She was not interested in hearing the facts and was in fact a complete fuckwit with her own self-serving agenda. Now I'm not saying all media people are like that but I would issue a note of caution.

[galcom666]

In fact see the UKIP interview thread for how they can attempt to press an image onto you.

[Jimmyredcab]

She was not interested in hearing the facts .

The facts don't suit their agenda, they don't want the public to be told about thousands of girls who are earning £2,000 a week tax free and are not forced into prostitution.   

[smiths]

** The Site Admin has kindly granted me permission to post **

I am a television producer making a Channel 4 observational documentary about an establishment in the North East. We have their full co-operation.

This documentary attempts to address the stigma sometimes attached to both WGs and punters, without being political, judgemental, or confrontational.

As part of the film, we would like to be able to interview punters about their experiences of the industry. I know it is a sensitive topic, but I'm hopeful that one or two of you will consider getting in touch to discuss.

If you would be provisionally interested in learning more, please do contact me, either by private message on here, or by call/text on 07548 944 348.

I have heard all this shit before, i certainly wouldnt get involved with media types where prostitution is concerned.

[akauya]

Zoe, are you doing a gangbang? Fantastic, I love gangbangs - where do I sign?   

[michaelvolland]

interesting . . . . . .

[Boundless]

I'm assuming that Admin have reason to believe that Zoe is genuine, however, as JRC says, we are a naturally cagey bunch on the whole and secrecy and discretion are the bywords of our trade. I can't imagine many guys putting their heads above the parapet even if they are single and their friends all know that they punt.

[fredpunter]

If the program is about one specific venue in the noth east then surely you should only speak to punters who attend that venue. What is the point talking to others? As such i would have thought you are best catching them as they enter and/or leave the premises. Just stand there with your camera crew and I'm sure you will have no problems.

[denneboom]

It's a real shame that a typical punter couldn't feel comfortable telling his story... the truth - and not be painted as some sort of pathetic loser/ pervert or deviant

When I'm punting there are all types of men out in the parlours getting their's. Black, White, Asian, Young, Old, Married, Single, Disabled, Stag Nights, People struggling with confidence all sorts.................

And many different ways of doing the deed Be it an Agency, Private house or 24hr parlour.

But the true picture will never be painted, and anonymity not guaranteed.

Outsiders may never get a true representation of the scene.

[GeeWiz]

In fairness, on face value at least she's trying to get a proper representation of punters and prostitutes.

We've all seen the so-called punters on recent docs from the old guy with the punting bag to the young lad who'd been on a previous doc on porn addiction.  Also the madame with the ginger biscuits and tall tales of men cumming in thirty seconds.

But good luck with that.  I wouldn't appear on TV for all the tea in China.

[Diehard]

** The Site Admin has kindly granted me permission to post **

I am a television producer making a Channel 4 observational documentary about an establishment in the North East. We have their full co-operation.

This documentary attempts to address the stigma sometimes attached to both WGs and punters, without being political, judgemental, or confrontational.

As part of the film, we would like to be able to interview punters about their experiences of the industry. I know it is a sensitive topic, but I'm hopeful that one or two of you will consider getting in touch to discuss.

If you would be provisionally interested in learning more, please do contact me, either by private message on here, or by call/text on 07548 944 348.

For the love of ......!! These journalists are either naive or just plain stupid. Surely Zoe expected the responses received here?

If it was a serious request surely there would be some financial inducement, such as 1,000 quid for our time? I can't see any offer of remuneration for our time.

[finn5555]

For the love of ......!! These journalists are either naive or just plain stupid. Surely Zoe expected the responses received here?

If it was a serious request surely there would be some financial inducement, such as 1,000 quid for our time? I can't see any offer of remuneration for our time.

Depending on her looks I'd settle for a shag 

[Diehard]

I was interviewed for a BBC radio programme once and ahead of that they sent out a researcher to meet me in preparation for the news item. The researcher clearly wanted to put her own angle on things and I was repeatedly correcting her assumptions and mistakes. I then went into the studio only to be faced with all the same incorrect assumptions and ridiculous sensationalist questions that I had asked her to correct, and this was live on air. She was not interested in hearing the facts and was in fact a complete fuckwit with her own self-serving agenda. Now I'm not saying all media people are like that but I would issue a note of caution.

Did you Tell her on air she was clueless bint? Wonder how she would have reacted if you said how much you thought she would go for on aw!

If news outlets are going to run these sorts of things, at least get male journalists to do it!! Women just can't do the job properly, they get too emotionally involved on this type of subject.

[Brumish]

** The Site Admin has kindly granted me permission to post **

I am a television producer making a Channel 4 observational documentary about an establishment in the North East. We have their full co-operation.

This documentary attempts to address the stigma sometimes attached to both WGs and punters, without being political, judgemental, or confrontational.

As part of the film, we would like to be able to interview punters about their experiences of the industry. I know it is a sensitive topic, but I'm hopeful that one or two of you will consider getting in touch to discuss.

If you would be provisionally interested in learning more, please do contact me, either by private message on here, or by call/text on 07548 944 348.

Link to your Profile please. Tar

[Ravanelli]

Did you Tell her on air she was clueless bint? Wonder how she would have reacted if you said how much you thought she would go for on aw!

She was the researcher and I never saw her again, the DJ conducted the interview though I did make a point of saying I'd made this and that very clear to their researcher.

[JamesFD]

Zoe

Will you guarantee any interviewee who agrees to be featured final editorial approval of the edited material?

[Robster199]

Approved by Admin, so should be given a chance at least? (Climbs into flame proof suit)

[regenmeister]

I'm not sure how this programme is going to make WGs or punters likeable as the associated stigma is already rock bottom. I think it might be better if a film crew followed Zoe around as she worked in the brothel for a fortnight or find a punter with a big personality and follow him around.

[Tony Montana]

The facts don't suit their agenda, they don't want the public to be told about thousands of girls who are earning £2,000 a week tax free and are not forced into prostitution.   

There was one on recently where Louise Kay showed her AW earnings of £86k in two years just from webcamming.

[iceraider]

External Link/Members Only

This her?

[blackburnian]

External Link/Members Only

This her?

Good possibility , if it is that's a good spot.

Bb

[galcom666]

Er yer might want to log out of your linked in profile.

Thankfully my linked in profile is mostly bogus and a fictitious personality!

[MancSean]

I would take part if I was given a nice budget to punt with a selection of girls in the fore mentioned establishment plus hotel and travel to geordie land. I am single and have no shame

[pierrot]

An establishment in the North East tells you what you need to know.
Are there any decent ones up there.
Lets face it not of the really professionaly run places like Sandys or dare I say it the Divines places would entertain the idea.

[FredW]

Er yer might want to log out of your linked in profile.

Thankfully my linked in profile is mostly bogus and a fictitious personality!

+1

[ZoeTVProducer]

Thank you all for your responses, even the less welcoming ones , and I'm very grateful to the admin, and all of you, for giving me a fair hearing.

I think that the concerns some of you have about the nature of the film are understandable - I share your belief that the industry has often been portrayed rather unfairly in the past.

This documentary, however, is impartial, and instead allows the individuals involved to present their personal testimony. The focus is on the individual and personal, rather than attempting to make brief, potentially inaccurate, sweeping statements about a highly complex wider subject.

Secondly, the film takes a very practical approach; it focuses on the fact that underneath all of the stigma and sensationalism of other media portrayals, it is an industry like any other - and those operating within the industry still have to pay taxes, consider fluctuating market demand, and manage their marketing messages.

In approaching punters, I'm hoping to hear from gentlemen who are willing and able to present their thoughts on the industry and their personal motivations/reasons for punting. We're interested in featuring articulate individuals whose personal perspectives could turn some of the traditional stereotypes on their heads.

It's a real shame that a typical punter couldn't feel comfortable telling his story... the truth - and not be painted as some sort of pathetic loser/ pervert or deviant

When I'm punting there are all types of men out in the parlours getting their's. Black, White, Asian, Young, Old, Married, Single, Disabled, Stag Nights, People struggling with confidence all sorts.................

And many different ways of doing the deed Be it an Agency, Private house or 24hr parlour.

But the true picture will never be painted, and anonymity not guaranteed.

Outsiders may never get a true representation of the scene.

Great comment! Although TV has always had "fashionable" agendas, one of the things it also strives to do is surprise and inform an audience with something they didn't know. I am hopeful that in being able to show the broad spectrum of girls and guys involved in both the buying and selling sides of the business in this film, we will be able to surprise, inform, and perhaps even open the minds of the audience.

For those of you with specific questions about your own personal involvement, please do PM me and we can discuss further. Thank you again for all of your responses!

[NB - I am not the lady in the LinkedIN profile. Like all of you, my online identities are a little more secure]

[cunnyhunt]

and those operating within the industry still have to pay taxes, consider fluctuating market demand, and manage their marketing messages.

Do you actually understand the subject ?   

[cockneybstrd]

Thank you all for your responses, even the less welcoming ones , and I'm very grateful to the admin, and all of you, for giving me a fair hearing.

Secondly, the film takes a very practical approach; it focuses on the fact that underneath all of the stigma and sensationalism of other media portrayals, it is an industry like any other - and those operating within the industry still have to pay taxes, consider fluctuating market demand, and manage their marketing messages.

Taxes ! Most dont pay them and you got to be joking Winston and Sergei arent going to be paying any tax.

Unless its to the old bill

And manage their Marketing Messages. Jesus do you really think they are sat around doing SWOT analysis.

Anyway good luck Zoe while I am sure purposes are pure. I am sure the Editing and promotion of the program will be innocent and open minded as you suggested.

[StevenS]

Let's see.......

I don't keep my punting secret at all. My friends and  close family including my ex all know about it and responses range from curiosity to out and out jealousy. One of my aunts can't understand it but she is very old fashioned.

As I've said elsewhere I don't keep my identity much of a secret precisely because I have nothing to hide, not illegal and as long as I don't get caught punting on company time/expense there's nothing to risk my job either - and jobs come and go every few years anyway.

[marbella punts rule]

I,d do it if you,ll pay for a 2hr punt with girl of my choice   

[NIK]

As I'm sure Zoe is aware we have been here very many times before - indeed not very long ago for the last one, with a previous C4 programme. I suppose the different angle here is that it's about one particular venue, but programmes about paid sex have been done to death and there is never a truly new angle.

I was personally given the hard sell about the previous programme and invited to appear. I respectfully declined as from a purely selfish viewpoint (which is the viewpoint TV producers and journalists come from, despite what they might say) there was fuck all in it for me - they wouldn't even promise to promote my book, so why should I co-operate with them?

When I saw the programmes I was glad I opted out.

[fredpunter]

Thank you all for your responses, even the less welcoming ones , and I'm very grateful to the admin, and all of you, for giving me a fair hearing.

I think that the concerns some of you have about the nature of the film are understandable - I share your belief that the industry has often been portrayed rather unfairly in the past.

This documentary, however, is impartial, and instead allows the individuals involved to present their personal testimony. The focus is on the individual and personal, rather than attempting to make brief, potentially inaccurate, sweeping statements about a highly complex wider subject.

Secondly, the film takes a very practical approach; it focuses on the fact that underneath all of the stigma and sensationalism of other media portrayals, it is an industry like any other - and those operating within the industry still have to pay taxes, consider fluctuating market demand, and manage their marketing messages.

In approaching punters, I'm hoping to hear from gentlemen who are willing and able to present their thoughts on the industry and their personal motivations/reasons for punting. We're interested in featuring articulate individuals whose personal perspectives could turn some of the traditional stereotypes on their heads.

Great comment! Although TV has always had "fashionable" agendas, one of the things it also strives to do is surprise and inform an audience with something they didn't know. I am hopeful that in being able to show the broad spectrum of girls and guys involved in both the buying and selling sides of the business in this film, we will be able to surprise, inform, and perhaps even open the minds of the audience.

For those of you with specific questions about your own personal involvement, please do PM me and we can discuss further. Thank you again for all of your responses!

[NB - I am not the lady in the LinkedIN profile. Like all of you, my online identities are a little more secure]

So you have already decided that the film is going to be impartial and focus on the wider issues blah blah blah before you have even spoken to a single punter? And it is only going to feature one small establishment in one small outpost of the punting world. With the greatest respect zoe you are talking complete shite. Let me guess, you are in your 20s, have an over inflated opinion of your own importance, and fuck all experience of the real world.

[sucky2dollar]

No one is going to trust you until you produce a programme that is actually fair.

The usual:
1. Sterotypical narrative is set at the beginning of the programmme to get none-scene viewers attention.
2. Interviews with prossies and punters are taken out of context and edited in between even more questionable narrative.
3. Programme ends usually reinforcing said stereotypes.

So tell me again why anyone should trust you? It's the same formula and every year someone from the media pops up promising impartality for their show but never deliver it. You think we forget but we don't.

Just to add to fred's point, punting in the north east is going to be a different experience to punting in London or Dublin. Also if you believe prositutes pay tax (or even the correct amount of tax) then you probably don't know enough about prostitution to even be making a programme about it.

[akauya]

Secondly, the film takes a very practical approach; it focuses on the fact that underneath all of the stigma and sensationalism of other media portrayals, it is an industry like any other - and those operating within the industry still have to pay taxes, consider fluctuating market demand, and manage their marketing messages.

Zoe, if you really want to take "a very practical approach" on your film and really focus on the facts of punting you need to become a punter yourself. There is no other way around it; asking punters what it is like to be a punter is not going to cut it unless you experience it yourself.

But don't worry I'm very willing to help you with you punting experience. I charge £250 an hour but because you sound so polite and cute I'll give you a discount and charge you £240. I offer deep French kissing, reverse oral (that means cunnilingus), rimming (I lick your bum), fisting (self explanatory) and I can shag you in any position you want. Fellatio without condom will cost you extra £50. If you want me to cum in your mouth it'll be extra £50. Cumming on your face or tits is free. Anal will cost you £50 extra (as long as you douche first) and if you want to use a strap-on on me that will cost you £150 extra.

Do not ask for bareback sex. My health is more important than you or your film.

PM me for contact details

NB. If you are a bait and switch and you really are a sad bloke in disguise I will throw you out of the building not before charging you double my hourly fee for wasting my time.

 

[NIK]

No one is going to trust you until you produce a programme that is actually fair.

The usual:
1. Sterotypical narrative is set at the beginning of the programmme to get none-scene viewers attention.
2. Interviews with prossies and punters are taken out of context and edited in between even more questionable narrative.
3. Programme ends usually reinforcing said stereotypes.

So tell me again why anyone should trust you? It's the same formula and every year someone from the media pops up promising impartality for their show but never deliver it. You think we forget but we don't.

Just to add to fred's point, punting in the north east is going to be a different experience to punting in London or Dublin. Also if you believe prositutes pay tax (or even the correct amount of tax) then you probably don't know enough about prostitution to even be making a programme about it.

Demonstrates the continuing naivety of the wider world towards this murky industry. Prossies will always tell you they pay tax. It is one of the great myths of the paid sex industry, alongside 'she looked better than her pics' and 'she told me I'm a friend as well as a client.' 

[Toshiba]

I do this in private, it stays that way

[Diehard]

Thank you all for your responses, even the less welcoming ones , and I'm very grateful to the admin, and all of you, for giving me a fair hearing.

I think that the concerns some of you have about the nature of the film are understandable - I share your belief that the industry has often been portrayed rather unfairly in the past.

This documentary, however, is impartial, and instead allows the individuals involved to present their personal testimony. The focus is on the individual and personal, rather than attempting to make brief, potentially inaccurate, sweeping statements about a highly complex wider subject.

Secondly, the film takes a very practical approach; it focuses on the fact that underneath all of the stigma and sensationalism of other media portrayals, it is an industry like any other - and those operating within the industry still have to pay taxes, consider fluctuating market demand, and manage their marketing messages.

In approaching punters, I'm hoping to hear from gentlemen who are willing and able to present their thoughts on the industry and their personal motivations/reasons for punting. We're interested in featuring articulate individuals whose personal perspectives could turn some of the traditional stereotypes on their heads.

Great comment! Although TV has always had "fashionable" agendas, one of the things it also strives to do is surprise and inform an audience with something they didn't know. I am hopeful that in being able to show the broad spectrum of girls and guys involved in both the buying and selling sides of the business in this film, we will be able to surprise, inform, and perhaps even open the minds of the audience.

For those of you with specific questions about your own personal involvement, please do PM me and we can discuss further. Thank you again for all of your responses!

[NB - I am not the lady in the LinkedIN profile. Like all of you, my online identities are a little more secure]

Zoe, trying to be as polite as possible but you come across as some naive freshly graduated student who spends all day on her iPhone while walking through town, you know the type!

1) you don't name the establishment in the North East, yet you say you have their full cooperation. Forgive me, don't you see the contradiction there!

2) you ask punters to contact you as if you are doing punters a favour. If you had commercial sense you would have stated a figure between five hundred to one thousand pounds for a punters time.

3) you very quickly deny being the lady on linked in, my first thought there was she who doth protest too much!!! Also if you are a bona fide journalist what have you got to hide, in fact you would want as many people to see your profile!!!!

4) the fact you think hookers pay tax means you have absolutely no idea about your subject matter.

5) for a program such as you are alleging to make, concentrating on one establishment in the north east is going to tell you nothing about the profession. You would be better off concentrating on trying to poll anonymously at least a few hundred men on aw, or if you insist on basing your enquiries and the results on an establishment, then doing it on a well known, well run one like sandys in Manchester. They would not need the cloak of anonymity you have provided by being referred to as an establishment in the north west for instance.

6) you again contradict yourself by saying it will be balanced. How can you have a balanced program when you clearly have no idea about the subject matter. Your editor has picked you because you are naive and will ensure you run the story with his or her agenda in mind that is likely to maximise ratings.

I'm afraid your approach on here was spectacularly naive and I'd be amazed if you get even one volunteer to help you.

[galcom666]

Demonstrates the continuing naivety of the wider world towards this murky industry. Prossies will always tell you they pay tax. It is one of the great myths of the paid sex industry, alongside 'she looked better than her pics' and 'she told me I'm a friend as well as a client.' 

The smart decision is to pay SOME tax. As your NIC will count towards your pension AND it also legitimises your income. There was a lot of trouble with hot food places in the 80s and 90s not declaring all their income. As such they had huge wads of cash everywhere.

My uncle for instance.

You'd go cook some rice and find £200K in the bottom of the rice bin etc. Or the toilet would break and you'd open the cistern and find another £50K stuffed in there too.

As a result they couldn't spend it without attracting attention. Bosco M used to smuggle it to Asia (India and China) for them as he was a BA pilot and they rarely searched his bags.

[Toshiba]

Personally, if i was admin id have nothing to do with this

Its got tits up written all over it