Chinese Touring Girls

[kryn]

I have a question. I have been visiting these "one girl a week" places for a while and quite like the fact you dont know who your getting until you get there.

These are normally advertised on VS

Where do these girls come from. Surely they are not illegals as they all have the latest iphones and the like and travel from town to town on a weekly rotation.

Any help about how this is set up would be great.

Its obvious your not calling or texting said girl and its going to another.

Just curious

[Bindu]

The Chinese have "groups" on WhatsApp or WeChat I guess where there are hundreds and hundreds of potential Chinese WGs looking for a job. Chinese pimps have a pretty easy job to find new women.

I wish they advertised with face though. Visited a place three times and expected to meet the first woman again who was cute. But each time I had to deal with uglier and even uglier women, then I gave up.

[daviemac]

I have a question. I have been visiting these "one girl a week" places for a while and quite like the fact you dont know who your getting until you get there.

These are normally advertised on VS

Where do these girls come from. Surely they are not illegals as they all have the latest iphones and the like and travel from town to town on a weekly rotation.

Any help about how this is set up would be great.

Its obvious your not calling or texting said girl and its going to another.

Just curious

At a guess I would say they come from China, I could be wrong on that though so don't quote me.  How do you expect anybody to know more than you about how they work, only the girls and the pimps know for sure. 

How does having an iphone make them legal in this country? I'm sure they are sold in other countries and are quite easy to bring with them.

If you have any concerns about them being trafficked then don't use them.

[Corus Boy]

They also advertise for girls in the Chinese newspapers that are available from Chinese supermarkets.

[tesla]

The fact they are being moved every week suggests to me that the girls area t the least being controlled by a pimp or pimping organisation. That to me is enough to make me suspect trafficking so I would avoid at all costs.

[scutty brown]

Here is a case from last year:

Chinese girl flies into Heathrow for holiday, expecting to be met by friend she's found online.
"Friend" doesn't turn up, so girl is alone at Heathrow.
After a while, a young Chinese guy sees her, strikes up a conversation and befriends her. Offers her the use of his spare room.
She stays with him a few days. One night he takes her to an illegal gambling den, where he deliberately helps her rack  up thousands in losses. She had no idea of the exchange rate, so didn't realise the scale.
At the end of the night, she's given an ultimatum: work off your debt or get killed.
She goes through a period of training: multiple gang rapes in which she's taught to behave like an enthusiastic puppy.
She's allocated a pimp and starts touring. All money goes to the gang. 24-hour day, back to back bookings.
When this girl was picked up by the police, the pimp had pushed her naked on the roof of the flat block in an attempt to hide her. There were no clothes for her in the flat, she was near starving and the only food in the house was a couple of pot noodles.
Both were arrested, but had to be released for technical reasons.
Both immediately returned to London and vanished, fate unknown. But rumours persist linking the same gang with spare part surgery.
While this is only one case, its believed to be fairly typical of how Chinese girls get roped into prostitution. Several of the better known Chinese girls discussed on this website can be linked to the same gang

[David1970]

Here is a case from last year:

Chinese girl flies into Heathrow for holiday, expecting to be met by friend she's found online.
"Friend" doesn't turn up, so girl is alone at Heathrow.
After a while, a young Chinese guy sees her, strikes up a conversation and befriends her. Offers her the use of his spare room.
She stays with him a few days. One night he takes her to an illegal gambling den, where he deliberately helps her rack  up thousands in losses. She had no idea of the exchange rate, so didn't realise the scale.
At the end of the night, she's given an ultimatum: work off your debt or get killed.
She goes through a period of training: multiple gang rapes in which she's taught to behave like an enthusiastic puppy.
She's allocated a pimp and starts touring. All money goes to the gang. 24-hour day, back to back bookings.
When this girl was picked up by the police, the pimp had pushed her naked on the roof of the flat block in an attempt to hide her. There were no clothes for her in the flat, she was near starving and the only food in the house was a couple of pot noodles.
Both were arrested, but had to be released for technical reasons.
Both immediately returned to London and vanished, fate unknown. But rumours persist linking the same gang with spare part surgery.
While this is only one case, its believed to be fairly typical of how Chinese girls get roped into prostitution. Several of the better known Chinese girls discussed on this website can be linked to the same gang

FFS that why you don't visit Asians on tour.

BTW where did you get the information, which paper or site?

[scutty brown]

FFS that why you don't visit Asians on tour.

BTW where did you get the information, which paper or site?

Personal knowledge
Beyond that I can't say more

[kryn]

My point about the iPhone was that they have communication and could easily call for help.

[Crouching Rat]

Just my 2p worth: girls from Hong Kong can come here on 6 months tourist visa I think (if they are from Hong Kong SAR I was told by a Hong Konger). Some Chinese women come to work as NHS nurses - discover how woefully low paying it is versus cost of living and turn to being a prozzie or massage provider.

[Jonestown]

Just my 2p worth: girls from Hong Kong can come here on 6 months tourist visa I think (if they are from Hong Kong SAR I was told by a Hong Konger). Some Chinese women come to work as NHS nurses - discover how woefully low paying it is versus cost of living and turn to being a prozzie or massage provider.

I doubt the language skills of the average chinese sp that you come across would be advanced enough to pass the tests set for NHS employment.

[catweazle]

I have seen a few chinese girls where there have been text books and notepads etc lying around. I don't imagine these were put out 'for show' as it where so l believe some are students earning some extra cash (pays better than bar work)

[Aj280]

Here is a case from last year:

Chinese girl flies into Heathrow for holiday, expecting to be met by friend she's found online.
"Friend" doesn't turn up, so girl is alone at Heathrow.
After a while, a young Chinese guy sees her, strikes up a conversation and befriends her. Offers her the use of his spare room.
She stays with him a few days. One night he takes her to an illegal gambling den, where he deliberately helps her rack  up thousands in losses. She had no idea of the exchange rate, so didn't realise the scale.
At the end of the night, she's given an ultimatum: work off your debt or get killed.
She goes through a period of training: multiple gang rapes in which she's taught to behave like an enthusiastic puppy.
She's allocated a pimp and starts touring. All money goes to the gang. 24-hour day, back to back bookings.
When this girl was picked up by the police, the pimp had pushed her naked on the roof of the flat block in an attempt to hide her. There were no clothes for her in the flat, she was near starving and the only food in the house was a couple of pot noodles.
Both were arrested, but had to be released for technical reasons.
Both immediately returned to London and vanished, fate unknown. But rumours persist linking the same gang with spare part surgery.
While this is only one case, its believed to be fairly typical of how Chinese girls get roped into prostitution. Several of the better known Chinese girls discussed on this website can be linked to the same gang

I've heard similar stories from other forums. This is why I generally avoid Asian escorts.

[magnetico]

But rumours persist linking the same gang with spare part surgery.

Are you working on a direct-to-dvd movie plot? 

[scutty brown]

My point about the iPhone was that they have communication and could easily call for help.

Foreign country, no language, scared, brainwashed. Watched closely. Who is she going to call? And how : often no credit on the phone.

[scutty brown]

Are you working on a direct-to-dvd movie plot? 

I wish that's all it was.....

[Thecunninglinguist]

The answer is they are controlled by the Triads, who wield great power in every aspect of  all types of Chinese business and life. They make the Mafia look amateur.
The import of the workers will be arranged by them with a pseudo legitimate job or as a "student". Once here they are then passed through and round the system and basically hired to various businesses like any other asset.

[RogerBoner]

Personal knowledge
Beyond that I can't say more

What have you to say about the Thai touring girls that are in the UK?

[scutty brown]

What have you to say about the Thai touring girls that are in the UK?

As far as I'm aware the Thai girls I've met have mostly all been free agents. With one exception all have spoken English well enough to hold a conversation, and to be honest I usually spend a fair bit of time talking to them. I'd say around 60% of them are here because they married older British men who later either died or dumped them. Unqualified they then have a choice of working in care homes or in parlours.
I'd put another 30% as girls who deliberately came here to work while young, and have been here working to save cash to go home with, often to build themselves and their families a home. Often they have children or even a husband back in Thailand. They have good intentions, but often the finances of their intentions just don't work.
The other 10% is the grey area - they tend to be women in their 20's but look younger - and often give the impression of being vulnerable. Often from broken homes they come here to work for relatives / friends and pass into the parlour system. They always claim to be happy, but I'm convinced there's an element of Stockholm Syndrome going on in many cases. I'm convinced their being exploited, but don't recognise it. They certainly would be very unlikely to admit it.
Certainly I'm sure there must be a Thai gang system, but it seems a lot less prevalent than the Chinese. Or maybe I'm not looking in the right places.
Note I'm talking mainly of girls in NW England - I've no real experience of Thai parlours in the rest of the country

[RogerBoner]

Scotty I agree with you about the Stockholm Syndrome although someone might point out that it's not the correct terminology. The young non parlour FS prostitutes are fine if they come for a year or six months and then go back to Thailand either for six months or a year. A minority regard it as work and a holiday. The older ones have no idea how much money they have earned to pay off invented family debts. I'm convinced that the land and house they are paying to build will come to nothing. They hardly take time off. One is even paying off a debt for an "uncle" that she barely knows. They are bringing in more money than most of their customers. Anyway this thread is supposed to be about Chinese WGs so I apologise for the detour.

[scutty brown]

Scotty I agree with you about the Stockholm Syndrome although someone might point out that it's not the correct terminology. The young non parlour FS prostitutes are fine if they come for a year or six months and then go back to Thailand either for six months or a year. A minority regard it as work and a holiday. The older ones have no idea how much money they have earned to pay off invented family debts. I'm convinced that the land and house they are paying to build will come to nothing. They hardly take time off. One is even paying off a debt for an "uncle" that she barely knows. They are bringing in more money than most of their customers. Anyway this thread is supposed to be about Chinese WGs so I apologise for the detour.

I certainly can't disagree with anything you've said, but my problem is that while I've seen situations which were certainly exploitative in terms of working conditions / working hours, I've never come across a thai girl who appeared to be illegally forced to work. My feeling is that the thais are often controlled by more subtle means: pseudo-family linkages, moral blackmail, demanding family members. I've come across girls who were sent to the UK by their families to work and support the rest of the family. Some break the link, most don't. But the problem is getting them to accept that they are exploited.

As for the "Stockholm Syndrome" comment, I realise that is not strictly the correct term, but I really can't think of anything better

[magnetico]

They have good intentions, but often the finances of their intentions just don't work.
 

What do you mean by that?

[soysauce]

I have a question. I have been visiting these "one girl a week" places for a while and quite like the fact you dont know who your getting until you get there.

These are normally advertised on VS

Where do these girls come from. Surely they are not illegals as they all have the latest iphones and the like and travel from town to town on a weekly rotation.

Any help about how this is set up would be great.

Its obvious your not calling or texting said girl and its going to another.

Just curious

I quite often go for Oriental ladies, I just like them. I do agree that most Chinese WG are hopeless with their English and relies on Google translate, whilst most Thai WG speaks good English with their sexy Thai accent. They do have the common features in regards to the punting experience. They do rotations weekly or fortnightly, so we never know what or who we are getting until we get there and decide to proceed or walk. They always use somebody elses pictures or their own heavy photoshopped pictures, either way it makes it pointless to even ask for a picture.

They never stay in one place hence there is always somebody new for us, but on the rare occasions that we find a hidden gem, they vanish in to thin air before we can have repeat encounters.

I do not know whether any of them are being trafficked but I am certain that they all appear to be working under their free will, I have not met any that are chained or locked in the cellar. They always had a phone to communicate with their pimp, so I am certain that if they have no call or text allowance they still had data, so communications should not be a problem where they have freedom to talk to whoever they want.

In regards to gang control issues, where there would be a maid or pimp in the house, they have mostly been women or skinny Chinese men. I seriously doubt that the WGs are not free to walk out, or would struggle to walk out.

[scutty brown]

What do you mean by that?

I didn't phrase that very well
What I was trying to purvey was the way in which they believe that by working non-stop 24/7 they're going to make a fortune to go home and retire on / provide for the family / build a temple...............but reality kicks in and they never earn enough, instead they're trapped into an exploitative economy with no hope of hitting their dreams

[scutty brown]

.................I do not know whether any of them are being trafficked but I am certain that they all appear to be working under their free will, I have not met any that are chained or locked in the cellar. They always had a phone to communicate with their pimp, so I am certain that if they have no call or text allowance they still had data, so communications should not be a problem where they have freedom to talk to whoever they want.

In regards to gang control issues, where there would be a maid or pimp in the house, they have mostly been women or skinny Chinese men. I seriously doubt that the WGs are not free to walk out, or would struggle to walk out.

I know otherwise
The girl I described above isn't the only one found in that situation, I personally know of several others.
Control mechanisms can often be surprisingly subtle: threats to family back home, brainwashing techniques, blackmail over debts. The girl is in a foreign country, minimal language and doesn't know who she can contact or trust
They're only ever found by accident, or when a punter reports them

[soysauce]

I know otherwise
The girl I described above isn't the only one found in that situation, I personally know of several others.
Control mechanisms can often be surprisingly subtle: threats to family back home, brainwashing techniques, blackmail over debts. The girl is in a foreign country, minimal language and doesn't know who she can contact or trust
They're only ever found by accident, or when a punter reports them

You have done a good job at brainwashing me anyway. Now I feel like a criminal for frequenting these establishments. I feel as if I am encouraging the exploitations of the girls as I am an individual on the paying end. 

[Fanfanuk]

I used to go to a place like this at Surrey quays, it was fantastic,  the maid was stunning and worked occasionally she used to what's app me pics of the new girls every Monday.   Sadly it moved  and I lost contact.  Fifi was the maid

[scutty brown]

You have done a good job at brainwashing me anyway. Now I feel like a criminal for frequenting these establishments. I feel as if I am encouraging the exploitations of the girls as I am an individual on the paying end. 

Well.........technically if they are exploited / trafficked then that DOES make you a criminal. Something that too many forget

[soysauce]

Well.........technically if they are exploited / trafficked then that DOES make you a criminal. Something that too many forget

I suppose I can not feel bad if the WG was doing the service properly. If I do realise the WG servicing me being a bit weird or signs of duress, then I would contact the police.

[dave451]

It would be naive of me to think that none of the asian girls are trafficked or exploited. I beleive the vast majority know what they are doing when they arrive. I lived in China and HK and speak Chinese reasonably well and the girls from the Chinese speaking countries like to chat with me. The girls are usually either here on short-term visas or students making a bit of money to help their finances.

Pay in China is still very low, compared with UK, for professional jobs and pityfull for factory workers, supermarket girls etc. They often want to a) Make Money,  b) improve their English c) See something of UK and Europe. They come here on short stay visas and rarely overstay  because they want to come back. They move around because they don't want to be stuck in one establishment that is not very busy and they want to see more than one place. They usually have their own phones, not the one used by the 'Maid' and have Wechat etc. accounts so they are free to communicate with who they like. They often take weeks off and visit the sights, sometimes with their Chinese friends. Students are slightly different - they usually work odd weeks to fit in with their studies.

One girl I met was a teacher in China but had been refused promotion because of her poor English. She came here seveal times over about 3 years, made enough money to put down a deposit on a flat and vastly improved her English. Another girl was a policewoman, who could not make enough money at home (maybe because of the anti-corruption purge in China) so came here from time to time to supplement her income.

I have never met a girl who I suspected was trafficked - if I did I would not go ahead with the punt and I would  phone Crime Stoppers immediately.

[magnetico]

I didn't phrase that very well
What I was trying to purvey was the way in which they believe that by working non-stop 24/7 they're going to make a fortune to go home and retire on / provide for the family / build a temple...............but reality kicks in and they never earn enough, instead they're trapped into an exploitative economy with no hope of hitting their dreams

Thanks for your reply. I guess that some would be in this situation but it must be a small minority.

[s0whatsnew?]

Er..... If you did walk out on the punt and the girl was trafficked, she would immediately be suspected and probably punished/surveilled even more closely.   

AFAIK there's no way of contacting Crimestoppers or intermediary orgs anonymously except by old fashioned letter in an envelope.

[scutty brown]

Er..... If you did walk out on the punt and the girl was trafficked, she would immediately be suspected and probably punished/surveilled even more closely.   

AFAIK there's no way of contacting Crimestoppers or intermediary orgs anonymously except by old fashioned letter in an envelope.

Correct about the suspicion - she'd probably get punished

As for Crimestoppers - in reality its too slow. Better a call to 101 using a punting phone if you want to remain anonymous

[paul_tall_]

Chinese Whispers: The True Story Behind Britain's Hidden Army of Labour is an interesting read

The fact they are being moved every week suggests to me that the girls area t the least being controlled by a pimp or pimping organisation. That to me is enough to make me suspect trafficking so I would avoid at all costs.

[JayEZ2K]

Here is a case from last year:

Chinese girl flies into Heathrow for holiday, expecting to be met by friend she's found online.
"Friend" doesn't turn up, so girl is alone at Heathrow.
After a while, a young Chinese guy sees her, strikes up a conversation and befriends her. Offers her the use of his spare room.
She stays with him a few days. One night he takes her to an illegal gambling den, where he deliberately helps her rack  up thousands in losses. She had no idea of the exchange rate, so didn't realise the scale.
At the end of the night, she's given an ultimatum: work off your debt or get killed.
She goes through a period of training: multiple gang rapes in which she's taught to behave like an enthusiastic puppy.
She's allocated a pimp and starts touring. All money goes to the gang. 24-hour day, back to back bookings.
When this girl was picked up by the police, the pimp had pushed her naked on the roof of the flat block in an attempt to hide her. There were no clothes for her in the flat, she was near starving and the only food in the house was a couple of pot noodles.
Both were arrested, but had to be released for technical reasons.
Both immediately returned to London and vanished, fate unknown. But rumours persist linking the same gang with spare part surgery.
While this is only one case, its believed to be fairly typical of how Chinese girls get roped into prostitution. Several of the better known Chinese girls discussed on this website can be linked to the same gang...

[No written reports to validate story, instead...]
Personal knowledge
Beyond that I can't say more

So someone is going to invest countless hours trying to find and convince women online to go to a foreign country they've never been to, to meet someone they've never met. And then they are going to con her into going home with a different man they never met, and then to an illegal gambling den where several actors will conspire to drive her into thousands of pounds of debt. And then they are going to threaten her life, repeatedly gang rape her, and then force her into prostitution to pay off her debts. Sounds like a load of bullocks to me. Fantasist bullocks.

-- The statistical probability of pulling off a far fetched con like that, with gaps of unlikelihood at several different stages, is so low that it wouldn't even be worth the time. And THEN, it assumes that the girl is attractive enough in person and capable of being a prostitute. It is also assuming she won't run, have a nervous breakdown and be incapable of working, contact the authorities, etc. And that they will get a return on their investment within 3-6 months before she returns home. Bullocks.

Meanwhile, in China there is an abundance of parlours and prostitutes, available on nearly every block in major cities. Women who have invested in breast implants to improve their earnings as professional prostitutes. Women who would be more than happy to work in the UK for 3-6 months to boost their income while also enjoying sight seeing and tourism. Women who come to the UK and have their own private iPhones with a constant line of communication to their friends and family back home and anyone they choose, women who can leave the establishment at any time, and take time off for sightseeing. Women who will return to their home country within 3-6 months. Both from the statements of other punters and my own experiences regarding places that I have frequented and the women I have met, it is the later, and not the former. So...

Could you please stop with the unfounded fearmongering? Or Fantasist White Knighting. Whatever it is, you have been posting this topic on several threads both recently and in the past, and you are just making blanket statements and drawing negative attention to places that you have not visited, and women you have not met.

As I said previously, if you suspect coercion of a specific girl at a specific establishment, report to the authorities. If they have evidence of force/coercion, etc, then the place will be shut down. Even better, if you are unsure, keep a short questionnaire in Chinese/Romanian that asks the right questions, and provides resources and information which can be given to anyone you suspect is being coerced to work against their will. If you are serious about this, then I am more than happy to work together on this. For now, one potential resource is the National Human Trafficking Hotline:

"For immediate assistance, call the National Human Trafficking Hotline at 00-1-888-373-7888. You can reach the Hotline 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in more than 200 languages. All calls are confidential and answered live by highly trained Anti-Trafficking Hotline Advocates."

I really don't mean to be a prick, but you are drawing negative attention and jeopardizing punting locations with repeated, unfounded statements about places you have not been to, and girls you have not seen.

I believe the vast majority know what they are doing when they arrive. I lived in China and HK and speak Chinese reasonably well and the girls from the Chinese speaking countries like to chat with me. The girls are usually either here on short-term visas or students making a bit of money to help their finances...

They come here on short stay visas and rarely overstay  because they want to come back. They move around because they don't want to be stuck in one establishment that is not very busy and they want to see more than one place. They usually have their own phones, not the one used by the 'Maid' and have Wechat etc. accounts so they are free to communicate with who they like. They often take weeks off and visit the sights, sometimes with their Chinese friends. Students are slightly different - they usually work odd weeks to fit in with their studies.

One girl I met was a teacher in China but had been refused promotion because of her poor English. She came here several times over about 3 years, made enough money to put down a deposit on a flat and vastly improved her English. Another girl was a policewoman, who could not make enough money at home (maybe because of the anti-corruption purge in China) so came here from time to time to supplement her income.

I have never met a girl who I suspected was trafficked - if I did I would not go ahead with the punt and I would phone Crime Stoppers immediately.

I certainly can't comment on all locations, but from my own experiences at the specific Chinese locations that I have been to, I have never seen any indication of force or coercion. And I've had conversations with several girls, including exchange of personal contact through which they can speak freely. (I have only once suspected coercion, which was not Chinese but a young Romanian girl, in which case I contacted authorities.)

...  I am certain that they all appear to be working under their free will... where there would be a maid or pimp in the house, they have mostly been women or skinny Chinese men. I seriously doubt that the WGs are not free to walk out, or would struggle to walk out.

[Titti Tatti]

It would be naive of me to think that none of the asian girls are trafficked or exploited. I beleive the vast majority know what they are doing when they arrive. I lived in China and HK and speak Chinese reasonably well and the girls from the Chinese speaking countries like to chat with me. The girls are usually either here on short-term visas or students making a bit of money to help their finances.

Pay in China is still very low, compared with UK, for professional jobs and pityfull for factory workers, supermarket girls etc. They often want to a) Make Money,  b) improve their English c) See something of UK and Europe. They come here on short stay visas and rarely overstay  because they want to come back. They move around because they don't want to be stuck in one establishment that is not very busy and they want to see more than one place. They usually have their own phones, not the one used by the 'Maid' and have Wechat etc. accounts so they are free to communicate with who they like. They often take weeks off and visit the sights, sometimes with their Chinese friends. Students are slightly different - they usually work odd weeks to fit in with their studies.

Hmmmm.  I don't speak Chinese, but I've chatted with a no of sex workers from Asia, South America and EE and I'm always amazed how little of GB sights they've bothered to see. Some have been students but the rest are here to work long hours and are not doing the tourist thing.

I have visited these places but I doubt I'll return. If they were all super hot submissive young things I'd be more suspicious of trafficking. Why traffic the tired old pros you often find in them?

Sadly this thread is all opinions and has few facts.  We know it happens because there are some successful prosecutions, but it's hard to know how widespread it is.

[catweazle]

There are some interesting comments on the North East board under "Michelle's massage parlour" reviews. This place is all young Chinese girls.

[scutty brown]

So someone is going to invest countless hours trying to find and convince women online to go to a foreign country they've never been to, to meet someone they've never met. And then they are going to con her into going home with a different man they never met, and then to an illegal gambling den where several actors will conspire to drive her into thousands of pounds of debt. And then they are going to threaten her life, repeatedly gang rape her, and then force her into prostitution to pay off her debts. Sounds like a load of bullocks to me. Fantasist bullocks.

-- The statistical probability of pulling off a far fetched con like that, with gaps of unlikelihood at several different stages, is so low that it wouldn't even be worth the time. And THEN, it assumes that the girl is attractive enough in person and capable of being a prostitute. It is also assuming she won't run, have a nervous breakdown and be incapable of working, contact the authorities, etc. And that they will get a return on their investment within 3-6 months before she returns home. Bullocks.

Meanwhile, in China there is an abundance of parlours and prostitutes, available on nearly every block in major cities. Women who have invested in breast implants to improve their earnings as professional prostitutes. Women who would be more than happy to work in the UK for 3-6 months to boost their income while also enjoying sight seeing and tourism. Women who come to the UK and have their own private iPhones with a constant line of communication to their friends and family back home and anyone they choose, women who can leave the establishment at any time, and take time off for sightseeing. Women who will return to their home country within 3-6 months. Both from the statements of other punters and my own experiences regarding places that I have frequented and the women I have met, it is the later, and not the former. So...

Could you please stop with the unfounded fearmongering? Or Fantasist White Knighting. Whatever it is, you have been posting this topic on several threads both recently and in the past, and you are just making blanket statements and drawing negative attention to places that you have not visited, and women you have not met.

As I said previously, if you suspect coercion of a specific girl at a specific establishment, report to the authorities. If they have evidence of force/coercion, etc, then the place will be shut down. Even better, if you are unsure, keep a short questionnaire in Chinese/Romanian that asks the right questions, and provides resources and information which can be given to anyone you suspect is being coerced to work against their will. If you are serious about this, then I am more than happy to work together on this. For now, one potential resource is the National Human Trafficking Hotline:

"For immediate assistance, call the National Human Trafficking Hotline at 00-1-888-373-7888. You can reach the Hotline 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in more than 200 languages. All calls are confidential and answered live by highly trained Anti-Trafficking Hotline Advocates."

I really don't mean to be a prick, but you are drawing negative attention and jeopardizing punting locations with repeated, unfounded statements about places you have not been to, and girls you have not seen.

You can rant as much as you like, but unfortunately everything I reported is true.
The particular girls story was as I described, and she's not the only one found in similar conditions.
You need to open your eyes and ears and be a lot more inquisitorial into the conditions these girls exist under.
And yes, I'll continue to point out cases of exploitation and abuse, both here and elsewhere

[JayEZ2K]

You can rant as much as you like, but unfortunately everything I reported is true.

Valid points = rant? You're delusional.

... everything I reported is true.
The particular girls story was as I described, and she's not the only one found in similar conditions...

And yes, I'll continue to point out cases of exploitation and abuse, both here and elsewhere

What "cases of exploitation and abuse"? You've done nothing but post a ridiculous, unsubstantiated story.

While also suggesting that women you have never seen are victims, despite contrary evidence from people who have actually met them.

Meanwhile you've ignored my attempt to humour you to develop a more stringent method to detect and assist potential victims. Indicating you are more interested in impressing people with your fantasist stories, even if it brings unwarranted negative attention on punting.

[JayEZ2K]

I have a question. I have been visiting these "one girl a week" places for a while and quite like the fact you dont know who your getting until you get there.

These are normally advertised on VS

Where do these girls come from. Surely they are not illegals as they all have the latest iphones and the like and travel from town to town on a weekly rotation.

Any help about how this is set up would be great.

Its obvious your not calling or texting said girl and its going to another.

Just curious

I have visited and reviewed several of these places in an attempt to map out which ones were good. And from what I found there seems to be different categories of girls/locations. For now I'll just comment on the better locations that I've settled into visiting the most frequently.

Although some girls come from other countries, most come from various regions in China. I believe that most have worked as WGs in China as most have been cosmetically enhanced in some way (breast implants, etc) indicating a history in the profession. They also tend to show familiarity with their work, indicating previous experience.

Based on that, I initially I thought they were scouted in Chinese parlours, which might be the case for some. But as stated, job advertisements online seem more likely given that they come from a wide field of regions in China as well as other countries altogether.

I believe that all are here legally with visas, and will return home, typically within a few months.


As for the bad locations, they were typically rundown and in poor condition, with older ladies; 30-40 years old, 40+, etc. Those places seemed to be organized differently, but I never returned or bothered to figure them out.

As you have been to these places for a while, some reviews would be helpful to other punters, as well as to establish yourself as a contributing member (and avoid earning the leech label).

[s0whatsnew?]

Valid points = rant? You're delusional.
What "cases of exploitation and abuse"? You've done nothing but post a ridiculous, unsubstantiated story.

While also suggesting that women you have never seen are victims, despite contrary evidence from people who have actually met them.

Surely what we're debating here is not whether trafficing exists, but the proportion of trafficked to free-willed girls.  I'm happy to believe that the vast majority of wg's are working out of their own free will.  Nevertheless there's a very small but significant number of trafficked women that deserve serious investigation.   The deceptions created and imposed on them are simply the investments necessary before the profit can be created  and systemized.

I've come across 2 such cases.   A Polish girl working in a london west end Chinese massage parlour told me that they kept one young girl as literally a sex-slave.   That particular parlour no longer exists.  The other case - also chinese - the website based organizers seem to have disappeared or been taken over.

Trafficking also happens within China itself.   Young girls are kidnapped and reappear thousands of miles away in a (to them) completely strange culture, as helpless there as they would be here.

Again, the numbers are tiny compared to the whole 'industry'   Does that mean we can simply look the other way?   I hope not.

[spiceboy]

I saw a Chinese girl years ago. She must have been in her twenties and quite attractive but hardly spoke any English.
I began to see her quite a lot over several months as after the third visit she wanted me to stay longer but did not charge anything extra. I think she was lonely and don't think she got out much. After a couple of hours I would have to make excuses to leave. So during this time there were no other girls there just her.
About a couple of years ago I saw a Chinese girl but they kept rotating them every few weeks and it was very hit and miss with their looks and service. In the end I stopped as it was a lottery what you got.
Worst experience was with a south American girl advertised as Brazilian but actually Colombian. I felt they were trafficked.