The VivaStreet Investigator - Manchester/ North West

[MoodyBB]

Yesterday I spent a ridiculously long time combing AW and VS for a decent bargain basement punt and emerged the other side of the research task non the wiser of being able to find myself a decent £40 pump and dump. Increasingly I've found myself turning to VivaStreet, finding that most of the green lights on AW are way out of this price bracket.
Now, we all know that a VivaStreet meet is a little like the punting equivalent of Russian roulette with Putin pulling the trigger so I came up with the idea of a becoming a VS Investigator. The aim is to weed out the B&S, the dodgy as fuck dangerous situations, potential trafficked girls, the fakes, the scammers so that there's a little regulation of what is the Wild West of escort advertisement. It's clear than many ads on VS are fake and therefore avoidable but punters will fall foul when consumed by the urge. I'm hoping a bit of clarity can help clean up this end of the market a little.
So... brave soul that I am, in the name of research, I'm gonna start ploughing my way through some of the VS ads which come in at £30/40 and report back with reviews. Starting today...wish me luck.
MBB
Oh and if anyone wants to contribute to the audit then feel free. Likewise, if there's a profile/ ad  in the Manc area you want invesitgating then send on here and I will prioritise. I'm planning on daily ventures for the next week. Funds and time allowing. I've got fuck all else to do..

[Kool Keef]

Nice one, look forward to reading about how you get on.
 Good luck 

[Cent]

Yesterday I spent a ridiculously long time combing AW and VS for a decent bargain basement punt and emerged the other side of the research task non the wiser of being able to find myself a decent £40 pump and dump. Increasingly I've found myself turning to VivaStreet, finding that most of the green lights on AW are way out of this price bracket.
Now, we all know that a VivaStreet meet is a little like the punting equivalent of Russian roulette with Putin pulling the trigger so I came up with the idea of a becoming a VS Investigator. The aim is to weed out the B&S, the dodgy as fuck dangerous situations, potential trafficked girls, the fakes, the scammers so that there's a little regulation of what is the Wild West of escort advertisement. It's clear than many ads on VS are fake and therefore avoidable but punters will fall foul when consumed by the urge. I'm hoping a bit of clarity can help clean up this end of the market a little.
So... brave soul that I am, in the name of research, I'm gonna start ploughing my way through some of the VS ads which come in at £30/40 and report back with reviews. Starting today...wish me luck.
MBB
Oh and if anyone wants to contribute to the audit then feel free. Likewise, if there's a profile/ ad  in the Manc area you want invesitgating then send on here and I will prioritise. I'm planning on daily ventures for the next week. Funds and time allowing. I've got fuck all else to do..

what area are you looking at Moody

[MoodyBB]

Greater Manc area ideally, also Cheshire.. may venture into Merseyside for a particularly intriguing case.

[ISTS2005]

Good luck pal ill try and chuck in a suggestion or two.
Fear for your ventures though! 

[Cunning Stunts]

Yesterday I spent a ridiculously long time combing AW and VS for a decent bargain basement punt and emerged the other side of the research task non the wiser of being able to find myself a decent £40 pump and dump. Increasingly I've found myself turning to VivaStreet, finding that most of the green lights on AW are way out of this price bracket.
Now, we all know that a VivaStreet meet is a little like the punting equivalent of Russian roulette with Putin pulling the trigger so I came up with the idea of a becoming a VS Investigator. The aim is to weed out the B&S, the dodgy as fuck dangerous situations, potential trafficked girls, the fakes, the scammers so that there's a little regulation of what is the Wild West of escort advertisement. It's clear than many ads on VS are fake and therefore avoidable but punters will fall foul when consumed by the urge. I'm hoping a bit of clarity can help clean up this end of the market a little.
So... brave soul that I am, in the name of research, I'm gonna start ploughing my way through some of the VS ads which come in at £30/40 and report back with reviews. Starting today...wish me luck.
MBB
Oh and if anyone wants to contribute to the audit then feel free. Likewise, if there's a profile/ ad  in the Manc area you want invesitgating then send on here and I will prioritise. I'm planning on daily ventures for the next week. Funds and time allowing. I've got fuck all else to do..

If youre looking as far as East Lancs theres a couple of postcodes that appear again and again which almost certainally arent home to the number of girls who claim to be there.

Theres also a number of ads that belong to what apprears to be a legit agency operation which are exclusively outcall and whos girls on arrival add on all sorts of extra charges.

But good luck with actually finding any girls at all on Viva who offer services in the price range that youre looking at.

[scutty brown]

You need to go into this with your eyes open.
You're going for the bottom end of the market where you are going to find a large number of pimped, trafficked, forced and possibly drug dependent women.
What is your game plan for when this happens? If you go ahead with the punt you commit an offence. You need an exit strategy to get you out safely. And once you're out who are you going to tell, and how?

[Springoid]

Really interested how this pans out.

[MoodyBB]

Those are great points I naively hadn't considered so thanks very much. There's absolutely no way I want to put myself in danger, nor do I want a crusade against the darker side of the industry. I guess I want to clarify the blurred boundary between the legit and the illegit so wouldbe punters are able to navigate the potential pitfalls without putting themselves at risk. There's another consideration now following SB's wise words - could the average punter spot a scenario where the SP may be trafficked or drug dependent? I'm not sure I could, without some obvious tell tale signs... other than the price. What should we be doing if we suspect there's something dodgy as fuck going on?

My aim is to contact these ads with a view to seeing whether, first and foremost, they are legit. Surely some adverts on VS are bonafide SPs? If so how do we separate those from the fakes and pernicious ones? As I was trawling through today I instantly ignored the far eastern ads as it's very obvious these are fake, therefore more likely to be dubious. Likewise, I avoided what I presume are the eastern europeans whose pics don't show their faces, or with clearly fake photos - these form the bulk of the ads on VS at this price range. Instead, I'm going to investigate those that appear legit, follow through as far as possible - without going through with the meet if something feels suspect - and report back to inform the community here. If even the legit end of things looks suspect then perhaps that mean any punter with a moral compass should ignore the temptations of a bargain basement punt through VS and just pay the going rate.

[sir wanksalot]

Be careful pal.

A lot of the Hungarian/Romanians offer bareback

[MoodyBB]

Be careful pal.

A lot of the Hungarian/Romanians offer bareback

Okay will flag if I come across that as an option. I'm aware of the Bareback thread so will put anything on there...

[MoodyBB]

First VS specific review is up: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=357367.0

Was a bait and switch which I went through with as it seemed safe and I liked the look of the Romanian SP.

However, it did prompt some questions about bait and switch:

- Does it indicate the Romanian/ Bulgarian SPs' know about their bad rep in the punting community and this is how they need to operate to get the numbers? Or is it a sign of something more sinister like trafficking or exploitation? Is there anything moralistically wrong with going through with a £40 B&S from VS?

For me, I have no problem with it as long as I can be sure I'm not adding to the dubious practices of traffickers, drug dealers or broader criminality. But then how can I be sure yesterday's punt hasn't perpetuated these things? My conscience is currently clear but I'd like to understand more so I can make better informed decisions...

[Kool Keef]

Props to you pal for going out there & being proactive, we need more of that on the NW board imo 

[spartanwizard]

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Bolton

This girl has been on my radar for a while, I'm to cautious to toftt with past experiences but the advert has a bit more detail than the usual generic crap the roms produce and she looks decent so I think it would be worth a try.

All the best on the adventure!

S

[MoodyBB]

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Bolton

This girl has been on my radar for a while, I'm to cautious to toftt with past experiences but the advert has a bit more detail than the usual generic crap the roms produce and she looks decent so I think it would be worth a try.

All the best on the adventure!

S

Good spot and yes sounds very convincing. I will have a look.

[Happy gent]

Be careful..

She purports to be Russian.....

Watch she doesn't annex your helmet - I've heard (and hope) they're short of equipment

[dadio]

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Bolton

This girl has been on my radar for a while, I'm to cautious to toftt with past experiences but the advert has a bit more detail than the usual generic crap the roms produce and she looks decent so I think it would be worth a try.

All the best on the adventure!

S

I've met this girl a number of months ago. The reason why I didn't review was because her VS ad disappeared the day after I saw her. Also, she mentioned she was from London and had come up as a one off. I couldn't be bothered trawling the London VS ads to try and find her so I could review.
Had I reviewed, it would have been possibly a negative or borderline neutral. She was staying in a council estate hovel when I saw her, and her premises were nasty. Clothes strewn everywhere around the bedroom, bare wood floors and doors damaged or near enough hanging off their hinges.
To add to that, there was a pimp there who collected payment.
The girl actually wasn't bad. Spoke perfect English but had a Russian background. Looked pretty much bang on like her VS pics and her OWO was quite enjoyable. Didn't fuck her, so cant comment, but I came in her mouth and on the floor with her looking up at me!
I do remember she didn't have any wipes/tissues to hand so she handed me one of her hoodies to wipe my cock on 
Forgot to mention, she had humungous tits though droopy and a bit floppy. She was very petite so they looked out of place on her frame.
Make of that what you will. If there was no pimp involved and she was at better premises, then I'd possibly return. However, since there's no guarantee things will have improved, I'd say avoid.

[MoodyBB]

Nice work Dadio. I also noticed on the ad that OW was an extra £20 and OWO £30. Was this the case for you? Not sure how to feel about the pimp thing. I've punted before where you hand over the cash to a bloke, like with Miss Fifi, but the difference is that I'm 99.9% sure Miss Fifi is perfectly happy sucking on cock all day long whereas I'm not sure about the girls in these VS ads. Would I be right in thinking that generally if a bloke is there to take the money this indicates exploitation? Or is that too simplistic? I'm keen to build up a clear red line of what is acceptable for me when it comes to a punt rather than following my cock into all manner of terrible situations...

[scutty brown]

A girl with a pimp living in a shit hole and missing basic essentials.
Exactly the situation I was warning about.
Should be a straight call to the police

She's being exploited but may not even realise it

[dadio]

TBH she didn't look or sound exploited. She was fairly chatty and happy go lucky. The pimp/boyfriend may just have been there as security/money collector 
In fairness there was no indication that the authorities needed to be involved. Just felt seedy and rough. The girl for all intents and purposes is as British as they come. Had the ad not mentioned her being Russian, then I'd have been none the wiser.
I did ask her about it, and whether it's true or not, she said she'd come to this country as a very young child and pretty much grown up here.

I paid £40 for OWO. There wasn't the surcharge advertised when I met her.

[Frustrated gentleman]

Just wondering if your research will venture into the ladies of Adultseek? Seemingly, Alderley Edge is awash with SP’s!

[MoodyBB]

No meet to report here but some activity worth flagging.
I was having a scroll through the various ads on VS and fired off a number of texts for prices and postcodes etc but nothing jumped out so I didn't pursue. However, a couple of hours later I got a text through Whatsapp from a Dominican Republic number saying that because I made contact with one of his 'best girls' but didn't go through with the meet, I was now required to pay a £2k 'fine' otherwise I'd be in trouble.
Now, I didn't come down in the last shower so I ignored the text. However, the persistent fucker kept spamming me with videos of his gang sitting in a car, tooled up with guns and machetes, telling me that they were coming for me and my family and that they knew where I lived.  The vids were obvs filmed in another country and the thought that my quiet little parish in the North West of England was about to be visited upon by a gang of gun toting gangsters from the Carribean did make me chuckle to myself. As predicted the texts stopped after a couple of days and I managed to resist the urge to text back and inflame the situation.
Now, I'm big enough and ugly enough not to get freaked out by this clear and obvious scam but many others may not be so I'll start another thread and encourage others to flag. I would hate to think someone believes this kind of thing and either pays up or lets the threats get inside their head. It's also another example of the danger of the Viva Street adverts...

[GingerNuts]

No meet to report here but some activity worth flagging.
I was having a scroll through the various ads on VS and fired off a number of texts for prices and postcodes etc but nothing jumped out so I didn't pursue. However, a couple of hours later I got a text through Whatsapp from a Dominican Republic number saying that because I made contact with one of his 'best girls' but didn't go through with the meet, I was now required to pay a £2k 'fine' otherwise I'd be in trouble.
Now, I didn't come down in the last shower so I ignored the text. However, the persistent fucker kept spamming me with videos of his gang sitting in a car, tooled up with guns and machetes, telling me that they were coming for me and my family and that they knew where I lived.  The vids were obvs filmed in another country and the thought that my quiet little parish in the North West of England was about to be visited upon by a gang of gun toting gangsters from the Carribean did make me chuckle to myself. As predicted the texts stopped after a couple of days and I managed to resist the urge to text back and inflame the situation.
Now, I'm big enough and ugly enough not to get freaked out by this clear and obvious scam but many others may not be so I'll start another thread and encourage others to flag. I would hate to think someone believes this kind of thing and either pays up or lets the threats get inside their head. It's also another example of the danger of the Viva Street adverts...

There are already threads on the subject.

[WARNING] Sergei on VivaStreet blackmail via WA. Secure those Punting Phones!

Threatened with kidnapping and death; How to deal with scammers (satisfying end)

[BobbyDazzler99]

No meet to report here but some activity worth flagging.
I was having a scroll through the various ads on VS and fired off a number of texts for prices and postcodes etc but nothing jumped out so I didn't pursue. However, a couple of hours later I got a text through Whatsapp from a Dominican Republic number saying that because I made contact with one of his 'best girls' but didn't go through with the meet, I was now required to pay a £2k 'fine' otherwise I'd be in trouble.
Now, I didn't come down in the last shower so I ignored the text. However, the persistent fucker kept spamming me with videos of his gang sitting in a car, tooled up with guns and machetes, telling me that they were coming for me and my family and that they knew where I lived.  The vids were obvs filmed in another country and the thought that my quiet little parish in the North West of England was about to be visited upon by a gang of gun toting gangsters from the Carribean did make me chuckle to myself. As predicted the texts stopped after a couple of days and I managed to resist the urge to text back and inflame the situation.
Now, I'm big enough and ugly enough not to get freaked out by this clear and obvious scam but many others may not be so I'll start another thread and encourage others to flag. I would hate to think someone believes this kind of thing and either pays up or lets the threats get inside their head. It's also another example of the danger of the Viva Street adverts...

OMG, Did that happen to you too?

I got that too, Guys in balaclava, then showing videos of someone in a black bin bag.. Saying they are mafia or something and they know everything about me
I use a punting phone and it isnt linked to anything so I know they had nothing on me so I played along saying come on then I am waiting and the texts eventually stopped!
Did stop me in my stride for a moment till I thought about it and realised what a load of shit

[Twotall]

Hmm, I've been asking about a couple of Vivastreet massage adverts in the Massage and Hand Relief providers thread that seem suspicious. 2 almost identical adverts under different names, both advertising in multiple UK locations at the same time.

I'm corresponding with one in Snapchat as I never use it and can happily delete it. It doesn't give anything away other than a fake ID.

[scutty brown]

Hmm, I've been asking about a couple of Vivastreet massage adverts in the Massage and Hand Relief providers thread that seem suspicious. 2 almost identical adverts under different names, both advertising in multiple UK locations at the same time.

I'm corresponding with one in Snapchat as I never use it and can happily delete it. It doesn't give anything away other than a fake ID.

keep well away
it's a team that's been running a deposit scam via VS for a few months
As soon as VS delete the scam profiles new ones appear
Almost certainly run from an Asian call centre with trafficking victims on the phones

[Twotall]

Thanks Scutty.

They are using another app I'd never heard of - Telegram and Abigail's picture is against her name, another very attractive picture.

Hopefully no-one will get taken in although I'm too tight to pay a deposit, I'd be much more at risk of turning up with the cash and being threatened by Sergei and co.

[scutty brown]

Thanks Scutty.

They are using another app I'd never heard of - Telegram and Abigail's picture is against her name, another very attractive picture.

Hopefully no-one will get taken in although I'm too tight to pay a deposit, I'd be much more at risk of turning up with the cash and being threatened by Sergei and co.

be careful
there's a suggestion the snapchat/telegram/other photos have embedded malware

[scutty brown]

Telegram is a chinese messaging app, do not trust.
I think TenCent are behind it

[GingerNuts]

Telegram is a chinese messaging app, do not trust.
I think TenCent are behind it

Maybe not any better but isn't Telegram owned by Russia brothers Pavel and Nikolai Durov?

[scutty brown]

Maybe not any better but isn't Telegram owned by Russia brothers Pavel and Nikolai Durov?

On checking, you're right
I shouldn't have trusted my memory