The coldness of hookers

[Mr Doodle]

Yes, I did.. and I got what you said.. So, given that you realised it was transactional, why would you not see SPs that provided you a good service again, when they didn't provide you support "out of hours"? That is why I said get a grip.. they are there for the time you pay.. if they provided you a good service for the time, why dump them when they didn't support you through your crisis? Do you think they next ones will?

To quote your last line:
" I won’t be seeing her again and will very much punt for sex not ‘a connection’ cos I realise that is total BS."

Really, you think those WGs that give the illusion of a connection really mean there is one?

That is why I said, get a grip...

[Zebedee70]

Point taken, I think that was the aim of my original post really. That the penny dropped! Finally! Lol.

I won’t see her again, ever, that’s my choice, I wouldn’t enjoy it.
Plus there’s plenty of others to try.

(Just to add, my hairdresser isn’t £2 a minute! So no card expected -Lol)

[Atlas1957]

Yes, I know what mrjoydivision means.  If an SP has sold you on the illusion of a very intimate and romantic service and then smashes that illusion it would be really hard to see them again.

I have the lesser issue of looking for a very fluffy GFE a lot of the time and those tend to work best if you see the same SP regularly.  But, some of them just can't help taking your custom for granted after four or five bookings, starts feeling like a "failed marriage experience" at that point.

[JonasG]

Yes, I know what mrjoydivision means.  If an SP has sold you on the illusion of a very intimate and romantic service and then smashes that illusion it would be really hard to see them again.

I have the lesser issue of looking for a very fluffy GFE a lot of the time and those tend to work best if you see the same SP regularly.  But, some of them just can't help taking your custom for granted after four or five bookings, starts feeling like a "failed marriage experience" at that point.

Tbh I would say the most blame is on the punter in this situation. For believing said illusion was based on real feelings and not a service.

I know she went OTT with the texting outside of hours but he should know the game.

[JonasG]

The amount of times he saw her/money he spent on her she's obviously took it beyond she would with other punters cos of the money involved.

[king tarzan]

Tbh I would say the most blame is on the punter in this situation. For believing said illusion was based on real feelings and not a service.

I know she went OTT with the texting outside of hours but he should know the game.

He's certainly not a 🐅
He's a 🐁

[Zebedee70]

Wtf!
Walk a mile in my shoes, you clearly couldn’t!
I Best fucking cancer!

[king tarzan]

Wtf!
Walk a mile in my shoes, you clearly couldn’t!
I Best fucking cancer!

In relation to your EAS only.. ( nothing more )

[Hobbit]

Tbh I would say the most blame is on the punter in this situation. For believing said illusion was based on real feelings and not a service.

I know she went OTT with the texting outside of hours but he should know the game.

Sometimes some girls are a little too convincing and we have all fallen for that in the past. Nevertheless, it's just an illusion and we should always remember that. Rule number one, never trust a hooker.

[Home Alone]

My Rule No. 1 used to be, "I'm going for a shag; not a relationship."

Then I allowed myself to be suckered into EAS by an SP, who obviously saw me coming. Or, as I got older, Not.

Now my Rule No. 1 is, "I'm definitely going for a shag; not a relationship!"

[Hobbit]

My Rule No. 1 used to be, "I'm going for a shag; not a relationship."

Then I allowed myself to be suckered into EAS by an SP, who obviously saw me coming. Or, as I got older, Not.

Now my Rule No. 1 is, "I'm definitely going for a shag; not a relationship!"

Happens to all of us mate. This is why I meditate every morning for at least an hour repeating the words "never trust hookers". Hopefully one day it will stick and I'll be sent to the promised land. 

[Rochelle]

Happens to all of us mate. This is why I meditate every morning for at least an hour repeating the words "never trust hookers". Hopefully one day it will stick and I'll be sent to the promised land. 

It's not about trusting hookers or not. Many tell the truth and many lie, just like everyone else.

[Hobbit]

It's not about trusting hookers or not. Many tell the truth and many lie, just like everyone else.

Ooh, I was waiting when you'd turn up. Still, like I said I'll trust a hooker if they ever buy me a drink which is extremely unlikely. 

[Payyourwaymate]

It's not about trusting hookers or not. Many tell the truth and many lie, just like everyone else.

I agree to an extent, but with money involved it's more likely that some WGs may hook men for the financial incentive that it would bring of the men becoming attached to them, if they can stomach it that is. I think the biochemical oxytocin, which is linked to pair bonding and released during sex and hugging helps to blur the lines that could lead to either party but in this case the punter seeing something which may not be there; especially when one is going out of their way to seek GFE which effectively would be a oxytocin binge.   

[Marmalade]

Ooh, I was waiting when you'd turn up. Still, like I said I'll trust a hooker if they ever buy me a drink which is extremely unlikely. 

(I’m maybe a bit more cautious in that judgment than yourself, having been bought a drink by a hooker who it turns out had ripped off another for a very large amount) but I tend not to leave myself open. For instance, the punter who turns up with his iPhone and extra notes in his trousers, which he leaves hanging outside the bathroom while he has a shower, has a great need of ‘trust’. I don’t put myself in that position so neither need to trust or distrust. It might amuse you to hear, many many years ago, of a hooker using her free hand to rifle my togs folded at the side of the bed. I noticed what she was doing but I was having a jolly good time and brushed her hand away laughing! (Having paid the exact amount, any emergency cash was stashed somewhere she’d never find it).

Not trusting isn’t the same as distrusting. I respect a hooker for doing a good job, same as any other trades person. I see no reason to attribute miscellaneous virtues or vices to someone I know very little about. I’d loosely define hookers as ‘cold’ (bar one or two that fell for me): they basically provide sex in a manner untrue to their nature, and the best we can hope for is polite and reasonably convincing demonstration of something else (a person’s o/h may feign similarly, but presumably has other things going for her). It doesn’t take that much acting to appear warm and pleasant and many people in business do it all the time. The trick is to focus on some wonderful detail and ignore the ugly fucking rest.
 

[xyfek]

Yes, I know what mrjoydivision means.  If an SP has sold you on the illusion of a very intimate and romantic service and then smashes that illusion it would be really hard to see them again.

I have the lesser issue of looking for a very fluffy GFE a lot of the time and those tend to work best if you see the same SP regularly.  But, some of them just can't help taking your custom for granted after four or five bookings, starts feeling like a "failed marriage experience" at that point.

I think the "problem" for us fluffy GFE punters is that, at least on an unconscious level, we're after a real connection. Not only we want to get our rocks off, we want to feel loved and desired while we do it. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's not easy to fake this sort of intimacy, and it's no surprise why so many SPs come across as cold. It's also not a surprise why so many of us end up on Seeking trying to avoid the jaded, seasoned pros.

Very occasionally (and likely thanks to UKP) we meet a gem who ticks all our boxes, with whom we get along like a house on fire, and we might find ourselves treading some very blurred lines between reality and illusion. The mind starts playing tricks on us: "if it feels this good to me, how can she possibly not feel the same?!" Only, most often than not, we're not a toned Adonis and we're way past our prime, so the connection is almost never fully genuine, and sooner or later this will hit us.

All it takes is a bad day when her acting is off, the sudden realisation of an elaborate routine, outright rejection, or even a deprecating little comment. But make no mistake, in the end punter's alienation comes for us all.

[Home Alone]

I think the "problem" for us fluffy GFE punters is that, at least on an unconscious level, we're after a real connection. Not only we want to get our rocks off, we want to feel loved and desired while we do it. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's not easy to fake this sort of intimacy, and it's no surprise why so many SPs come across as cold. It's also not a surprise why so many of us end up on Seeking trying to avoid the jaded, seasoned pros.

Very occasionally (and likely thanks to UKP) we meet a gem who ticks all our boxes, with whom we get along like a house on fire, and we might find ourselves treading some very blurred lines between reality and illusion. The mind starts playing tricks on us: "if it feels this good to me, how can she possibly not feel the same?!" Only, most often than not, we're not a toned Adonis and we're way past our prime, so the connection is almost never fully genuine, and sooner or later this will hit us.

All it takes is a bad day when her acting is off, the sudden realisation of an elaborate routine, outright rejection, or even a deprecating little comment. But make no mistake, in the end punter's alienation comes for us all.

Hmm. I know what you're getting at, xyfek, but I'm not sure I can agree with all of the point you're making.

I've previously posted on other threads on here that I remained friends - nothing more; nothing less - with three of the Regulars that I've had over the years.

To the extent of all three being invited to my 70th birthday party: two were there; the third had to miss it because of family problems on the night. And of me being invited to the Evening 'Do' of the one who married another of her clients, while the adult daughter of the third invited me down to the East Midlands for her mother's funeral when the cancer she'd had on and off since shortly after she retired finally took her from us.

All three delivered an excellent GFE service but at least one of them told me in no uncertain terms that she'd refuse to take bookings from me if she thought I was developing EAS for her. I made sure I obeyed her and we're still in touch with each other today, some 3 or 4 years after she left the industry and about 8 years after my first appointment with her.

They may be the exceptions who prove the general rule but make the point that it is possible for the punter and the SP to be friends.

[xyfek]

Hmm. I know what you're getting at, xyfek, but I'm not sure I can agree with all of the point you're making.

I've previously posted on other threads on here that I remained friends - nothing more; nothing less - with three of the Regulars that I've had over the years.

To the extent of all three being invited to my 70th birthday party: two were there; the third had to miss it because of family problems on the night. And of me being invited to the Evening 'Do' of the one who married another of her clients, while the adult daughter of the third invited me down to the East Midlands for her mother's funeral when the cancer she'd had on and off since shortly after she retired finally took her from us.

All three delivered an excellent GFE service but at least one of them told me in no uncertain terms that she'd refuse to take bookings from me if she thought I was developing EAS for her. I made sure I obeyed her and we're still in touch with each other today, some 3 or 4 years after she left the industry and about 8 years after my first appointment with her.

They may be the exceptions who prove the general rule but make the point that it is possible for the punter and the SP to be friends.

I suppose you're right, punter and SP can be friends for real, my experience is just more limited than yours. I was singling out those for whom we might develop romantic feelings, though, and these tend to get in the way of friendship, so you end up with nothing.

[Home Alone]

I completely agree with you, xyfek.

In retrospect, I suspect the GFE delivered by the MILFy SP I mentioned earlier probably attracted quite a few clients - me included - from the fluffy end of the spectrum, so I'm fairly sure I won't have been the first of her clients to whom she may have felt the need to give that warning.

At the end of the day, the SP's relationship status is really none of our business.

[samalison199]

"In my experience of punting over the 20 years, I've only come across 3 or 4 girls where I left feeling close to 100% satisfied. But a lot of them just scratched an itch which only returned a few days later and even though I returned to them, it was mostly because there was some degree of satisfaction there to be content with but not anywhere close to 99%."

Dare I say the problem could be on your side. ?

Ultimately the girl is dealing with the genitals and bodily fluids of someone they would probably never choose to interact with if it wasnt for the money. Doesnt exactly sound pleasent. Not somthing a lot of people can stomach so not really surprising not many enjoy it. Yes yes...."they shouldnt do it if they dont enjoy it". I see this all over this website but frankly thered be no one left to fuck lol. Just bust your nut and dont overthink it beyond that. Theyre only there to scratch an itch, what youre looking for is a girlfriend it sounds like.

[smiths]

"In my experience of punting over the 20 years, I've only come across 3 or 4 girls where I left feeling close to 100% satisfied. But a lot of them just scratched an itch which only returned a few days later and even though I returned to them, it was mostly because there was some degree of satisfaction there to be content with but not anywhere close to 99%."

Dare I say the problem could be on your side. ?

Ultimately the girl is dealing with the genitals and bodily fluids of someone they would probably never choose to interact with if it wasnt for the money. Doesnt exactly sound pleasent. Not somthing a lot of people can stomach so not really surprising not many enjoy it. Yes yes...."they shouldnt do it if they dont enjoy it". I see this all over this website but frankly thered be no one left to fuck lol. Just bust your nut and dont overthink it beyond that. Theyre only there to scratch an itch, what youre looking for is a girlfriend it sounds like.

WGs are often paid good money to suck and fuck punters, its not a case of them having to enjoy it in my view, its about them offering a good service, if they cant do that then go do something else is my view. No WG is going to enjoy sucking and fucking me that's for sure but that's not relevant to me, its my enjoyment I am paying them money for. Punting is all about acting, the good WGs can put an act on, if punters choose to delude themselves a WG is enjoying herself that's their business. However, I imagine there are occasions when some WGs enjoy things when punting, especially counting the cash they make.

What is fatal in punting is believing the old flannel many WGs come out with, its in the hope of getting your return custom in many cases going from experience. Nothing wrong with that unless a punter falls for it as being definitely true. If you treat punting as a fun business transaction rather than a date you are less likely to be disappointed.

[Hobbit]

(I’m maybe a bit more cautious in that judgment than yourself, having been bought a drink by a hooker who it turns out had ripped off another for a very large amount) but I tend not to leave myself open. For instance, the punter who turns up with his iPhone and extra notes in his trousers, which he leaves hanging outside the bathroom while he has a shower, has a great need of ‘trust’. I don’t put myself in that position so neither need to trust or distrust. It might amuse you to hear, many many years ago, of a hooker using her free hand to rifle my togs folded at the side of the bed. I noticed what she was doing but I was having a jolly good time and brushed her hand away laughing! (Having paid the exact amount, any emergency cash was stashed somewhere she’d never find it).

Not trusting isn’t the same as distrusting. I respect a hooker for doing a good job, same as any other trades person. I see no reason to attribute miscellaneous virtues or vices to someone I know very little about. I’d loosely define hookers as ‘cold’ (bar one or two that fell for me): they basically provide sex in a manner untrue to their nature, and the best we can hope for is polite and reasonably convincing demonstration of something else (a person’s o/h may feign similarly, but presumably has other things going for her). It doesn’t take that much acting to appear warm and pleasant and many people in business do it all the time. The trick is to focus on some wonderful detail and ignore the ugly fucking rest.
 

I agree it doesn't take much to be warm and pleasant. Some can't even do that and yet they have the ambition to work outside the escorting world. Good luck with that I say.

I can't stand anyone that's cold and I know many of you say that they are doing this out of their norm and I agree with that but putting a bit of effort goes a long way for customer satisfaction. Sometimes you just have to fake it to make it.

[Doc Holliday]

WGs are often paid good money to suck and fuck punters, its not a case of them having to enjoy it in my view, its about them offering a good service, if they cant do that then go do something else is my view. No WG is going to enjoy sucking and fucking me that's for sure but that's not relevant to me, its my enjoyment I am paying them money for. Punting is all about acting, the good WGs can put an act on, if punters choose to delude themselves a WG is enjoying herself that's their business. However, I imagine there are occasions when some WGs enjoy things when punting, especially counting the cash they make.

What is fatal in punting is believing the old flannel many WGs come out with, its in the hope of getting your return custom in many cases going from experience. Nothing wrong with that unless a punter falls for it as being definitely true. If you treat punting as a fun business transaction rather than a date you are less likely to be disappointed.

Succinct and accurate 

... also I've had a fair number of drinks bought for me 

[Lou2019]

If you treat punting as a fun business transaction rather than a date you are less likely to be disappointed.

This pretty much sums it up, no boundaries crossed, or lines blurred.

[Hobbit]

This pretty much sums it up, no boundaries crossed, or lines blurred.

Yes but girls can't use that as an excuse to be cold or not perform. 

[Hobbit]

... also I've had a fair number of drinks bought for me 

Maybe it's your medical charm.  I'm yet to have a drink bought.

[Lou2019]

Yes but girls can't use that as an excuse to be cold or not perform. 

I guess that’s the joy of UKP, you can more often than not filter out the ones that do.

[Marmalade]

I guess that’s the joy of UKP, you can more often than not filter out the ones that do.

Good in theory. Except
i) positive reviews from fluffheads can skew things
ii) in the case of a p4p on here (without going through Mdm Lou's reviews), when she gets a negative review it'll be "the punter's fault". 
iii) if it was not the punter's alleged fault, then it was just one of her "off" days (though no refund available) 

Still, some safeguard is better than none.
The supposed 'negativity' that certain paranoid p4ps see on here is attempts to alert ingenous punters to be on their guard. There's no 'certified good p4p' (unless she's in the scifi series Firefly). Many an apparent solid p4p contributor on here has been known to turn tail and slag off punters or worse. "A fucked-up p4p scorned" as the saying goes...

[Punterperson1971]

Most of the wg’s that I’ve seen who’ve had a bit of an attitude or coldness are Romanians that’s why I mainly book any of them that take my fancy for 15 min p&d,the regular I see she has said anytime you want to text me then it’s fine I’ve known her for years,she’s also offered to drop me off where I’m going and even asked if I fancied a Mac Donald’s one time.
I haven’t really met that many hookers who come across angry/cold or anything like that really normally you can pick up a vibe from them straight away.

[char45]

These points might have been made earlier in the thread but every time this topic or a version of it comes up I am always amazed that some punters are incapable of drawing a parallel between their own lives and that of working girls.

Either if we look at ourselves or those we work with there are various types of people. There are those are incredibly competent but complete cunts, those that are very pleasant but useless, some that are cunts and useless and a few who are competent and pleasant. Most of us fall between the extremes. We also have good and bad days.

We also have different motivations and they change over time, some of us go to work to earn money, keep our heads down and go home; others are defined by their career. When I started out work was more a social club you went to where we were pissed most evenings and many afternoons. Girls are the same.

I’ve been in several multi year relationships (i.e. living together, emotionally attached, in one helping raise her child, splitting bills) with working girls who I met as a punter. I’m also in touch with several who are now long retired who we met for drinks and dinner as friends with the cost split or us taking turns.

I’ve seen it from both sides and these women are no different to anyone else. Some hate their job, some do it well, some genuinely care about their customers, some couldn’t give a fuck, some have a plan for life, some bumble through. One I know very well helped, at no cost and no expectation of future meetings, a punter whose wife was dying, she did it because she genuinely cared about him. I've met people through my own line of work who have become friends and had problems of one sort or another and I've helped them (and them me). It's no different.

Of course there are dangers of EAS with this hobby and some degree of common sense has to be applied (it’s unlikely the stunning 20 year old Romanian is interested in a lifetime spent with a 78 year old unless a will is involved) but we should recognise workings girls as being much the same as everyone else just doing a job which is treated differently to most others.

There is a huge danger of generalising working girls as being only interested in cash and nothing else, it’s the same argument made by those who want to ban punting, that all girls are forced to do it by poverty or drugs or evil pimps. Something which is obviously untrue.

Whether you leave 100% satisfied is obviously down to both your attitude and the working girl. Bearing in mind how personal this is, how different is it to other parts of your life? You get a painter in, when he leaves are you 100% satisfied? Well obviously not if there is paint on the floor and the walls are half finished, but what if there is that tiny bit you can see which he couldn’t? If you are not 100% satisfied could it be that he has done his job but you don’t really like the colour of the paint you chose or your didn't convey how you wanted the work to be done in a way he could understand?

While I am on this extended rant (waiting for the Rugby and its pissing down outside) I sometimes wonder why some punters actually bother punting, it seems to be like a trip to the dentist to them. If you aren’t enjoying it and you think the escorts you see hate you why not spend your money on something you might enjoy more?

[Marmalade]

If the rugby hasn’t started yet, maybe you could tell us how only one review (negative at that) appears when I click on your reviews but over 40 appear against your avatar?
Just wondering.

Enjoy!

[MissWolf]

If the rugby hasn’t started yet, maybe you could tell us how only one review (negative at that) appears when I click on your reviews but over 40 appear against your avatar?
Just wondering.

Enjoy!

If you are talking about char45 then I get all 41 when i click on them 

[daviemac]

If the rugby hasn’t started yet, maybe you could tell us how only one review (negative at that) appears when I click on your reviews but over 40 appear against your avatar?
Just wondering.

Enjoy!

41 showing for me, starting with  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=73586.0  in 2015 and ending with https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=287023.0  today.   

[alabama1]

I am only getting one review showing too 

[alabama1]

Getting them all now ! very confusing !

[ulstersubbie]

If you are talking about char45 then I get all 41 when i click on them 

Same here, he has posted 41 reviews!

[Punterperson1971]

Just the 1 review and it’s 1 negative that’s it not even another page

[daviemac]

Just the 1 review and it’s 1 negative that’s it not even another page

Can you see this one.  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=73586.0

[Watts.E.Dunn]

See that one at all the others here?. Might there be a problem with which browser you use?...

[Marmalade]

41 showing for me, starting with  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=73586.0  in 2015 and ending with https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=287023.0  today.   

Maybe a glitch or the browser playing up. Broadband can be dodgier these days...

[daviemac]

Maybe a glitch or the browser playing up. Broadband can be dodgier these days...

Could be, I use Opera and they are all there for me.   

[Marmalade]

At seven pages, have we not done the emotional 'coldness' thing into the ground?

How about "In praise of cold hookers"...  by which I mean those glorious women on a freezing cold night who stand outside offering their hot fannies to those brave enough to face wind and weather...

A hot cunt is a hot cunt, but the contrast when it's snowing is fuckig awesome. (Saves paying extra for the fancy 'ice-cube blow job' rigmarole! Brava to steet hookers! An under-rated minority!!

Making Britain great again.

[Laudanum]

I'm using Chrome and I get 41 reviews.

[char45]

No idea but I think it's a glitch in the site or your setup as I have posted 40+ reviews

If the rugby hasn’t started yet, maybe you could tell us how only one review (negative at that) appears when I click on your reviews but over 40 appear against your avatar?
Just wondering.

Enjoy!

[Mr Doodle]

These points might have been made earlier in the thread but every time this topic or a version of it comes up I am always amazed that some punters are incapable of drawing a parallel between their own lives and that of working girls.

Either if we look at ourselves or those we work with there are various types of people. There are those are incredibly competent but complete cunts, those that are very pleasant but useless, some that are cunts and useless and a few who are competent and pleasant. Most of us fall between the extremes. We also have good and bad days.

We also have different motivations and they change over time, some of us go to work to earn money, keep our heads down and go home; others are defined by their career. When I started out work was more a social club you went to where we were pissed most evenings and many afternoons. Girls are the same.

I’ve been in several multi year relationships (i.e. living together, emotionally attached, in one helping raise her child, splitting bills) with working girls who I met as a punter. I’m also in touch with several who are now long retired who we met for drinks and dinner as friends with the cost split or us taking turns.

I’ve seen it from both sides and these women are no different to anyone else. Some hate their job, some do it well, some genuinely care about their customers, some couldn’t give a fuck, some have a plan for life, some bumble through. One I know very well helped, at no cost and no expectation of future meetings, a punter whose wife was dying, she did it because she genuinely cared about him. I've met people through my own line of work who have become friends and had problems of one sort or another and I've helped them (and them me). It's no different.

Of course there are dangers of EAS with this hobby and some degree of common sense has to be applied (it’s unlikely the stunning 20 year old Romanian is interested in a lifetime spent with a 78 year old unless a will is involved) but we should recognise workings girls as being much the same as everyone else just doing a job which is treated differently to most others.

There is a huge danger of generalising working girls as being only interested in cash and nothing else, it’s the same argument made by those who want to ban punting, that all girls are forced to do it by poverty or drugs or evil pimps. Something which is obviously untrue.

Whether you leave 100% satisfied is obviously down to both your attitude and the working girl. Bearing in mind how personal this is, how different is it to other parts of your life? You get a painter in, when he leaves are you 100% satisfied? Well obviously not if there is paint on the floor and the walls are half finished, but what if there is that tiny bit you can see which he couldn’t? If you are not 100% satisfied could it be that he has done his job but you don’t really like the colour of the paint you chose or your didn't convey how you wanted the work to be done in a way he could understand?

While I am on this extended rant (waiting for the Rugby and its pissing down outside) I sometimes wonder why some punters actually bother punting, it seems to be like a trip to the dentist to them. If you aren’t enjoying it and you think the escorts you see hate you why not spend your money on something you might enjoy more?

Well said! 

[RobT22]

What a brilliantly written summing up Char 45 of the situation. You have articulated all my thoughts so well.
I don't get it why the girls are so demonized on here by so many. As I see it if you do your homework then treat the girls well then they will give a really good service. Ok like us all they have a bad day occasionally but they usually put it right next time. If not then we move on.
Yes mate, a really good reply and England won too. (assuming you were supporting England )

[houseboot]

As I see it if you do your homework then treat the girls well then they will give a really good service. Ok like us all they have a bad day occasionally but they usually put it right next time. If not then we move on.

   And we're still wondering who those girls are 

www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=285643.msg2974134#msg2974134

[Hobbit]

These points might have been made earlier in the thread but every time this topic or a version of it comes up I am always amazed that some punters are incapable of drawing a parallel between their own lives and that of working girls.

Either if we look at ourselves or those we work with there are various types of people. There are those are incredibly competent but complete cunts, those that are very pleasant but useless, some that are cunts and useless and a few who are competent and pleasant. Most of us fall between the extremes. We also have good and bad days.

We also have different motivations and they change over time, some of us go to work to earn money, keep our heads down and go home; others are defined by their career. When I started out work was more a social club you went to where we were pissed most evenings and many afternoons. Girls are the same.

I’ve been in several multi year relationships (i.e. living together, emotionally attached, in one helping raise her child, splitting bills) with working girls who I met as a punter. I’m also in touch with several who are now long retired who we met for drinks and dinner as friends with the cost split or us taking turns.

I’ve seen it from both sides and these women are no different to anyone else. Some hate their job, some do it well, some genuinely care about their customers, some couldn’t give a fuck, some have a plan for life, some bumble through. One I know very well helped, at no cost and no expectation of future meetings, a punter whose wife was dying, she did it because she genuinely cared about him. I've met people through my own line of work who have become friends and had problems of one sort or another and I've helped them (and them me). It's no different.

Of course there are dangers of EAS with this hobby and some degree of common sense has to be applied (it’s unlikely the stunning 20 year old Romanian is interested in a lifetime spent with a 78 year old unless a will is involved) but we should recognise workings girls as being much the same as everyone else just doing a job which is treated differently to most others.

There is a huge danger of generalising working girls as being only interested in cash and nothing else, it’s the same argument made by those who want to ban punting, that all girls are forced to do it by poverty or drugs or evil pimps. Something which is obviously untrue.

Whether you leave 100% satisfied is obviously down to both your attitude and the working girl. Bearing in mind how personal this is, how different is it to other parts of your life? You get a painter in, when he leaves are you 100% satisfied? Well obviously not if there is paint on the floor and the walls are half finished, but what if there is that tiny bit you can see which he couldn’t? If you are not 100% satisfied could it be that he has done his job but you don’t really like the colour of the paint you chose or your didn't convey how you wanted the work to be done in a way he could understand?

While I am on this extended rant (waiting for the Rugby and its pissing down outside) I sometimes wonder why some punters actually bother punting, it seems to be like a trip to the dentist to them. If you aren’t enjoying it and you think the escorts you see hate you why not spend your money on something you might enjoy more?

Very well written and thought through. Nevertheless, I am very sceptical when people talk about being friends and being in contact with escorts out of work and also extremely sceptical when people talk about marrying them. It does happen and I have heard of escorts falling for clients and that's all good. But not my cup of tea sorry. 

Regarding the 100% satisfied part. I have to slightly disagree with you. Sometimes it doesn't matter how much you convey yourself to an escort they just don't perform the way you want them to. For example, They may advertise DFK and you may have the sweetest smelling breath out there but they still only do lip kissing with none or not much tongue action. Then why advertise DFK when you are not going to do it? So if that Painter came to my house and decided to paint my walls with a toothbrush rather than a paintbrush, should I be happy? I don't think I would be and I would tell him to fuck off and ask for a refund. Unfortunately hookers don't do refunds when they perform badly or lie about services or appearance.

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What a brilliantly written summing up Char 45 of the situation. You have articulated all my thoughts so well.
I don't get it why the girls are so demonized on here by so many. As I see it if you do your homework then treat the girls well then they will give a really good service. Ok like us all they have a bad day occasionally but they usually put it right next time. If not then we move on.
Yes mate, a really good reply and England won too. (assuming you were supporting England )

I agree; an excellent post by Char 45.

I also just wanted to flag up specifically the words I've put in italics above.

I don't consciously think about it, but those words summarise my approach to a punt. Well, it's the way my Mum and Dad brought me up - not specifically with SPs, you understand - but with people in general.