TS migrants coming to Britain from Brazil

[spartacusf]

The TS reviews on here have been a bit of an eye-opener.  There are clearly several dozen TSs in London, it seems mostly from Brazil, who have gone to a ton of effort, presumably lots of it expensive and irreversible.  Maybe there are similar numbers in other cities across the world, which would mean a lot.  Anyway, does anyone know much about how these young men choose this way of life, and how it plays out for them in the medium/long term?  Just curious. 

[RogerThat]

Yeah, I went through a phase recently where I thought that trying out a TS was a good idea..

I didn't and I'm glad of that. But all the 'prettiest' ones seemed to come from Brazil and I wondered about it.

[scutty brown]

you may get some insight from this
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the author says

“I live in the most transphobic society in the planet, there were 163 transphobia murders in Brazil only in 2018. Brazil is also the country that consumes most pornography with this population, so as you can figure, we live in a pretty sick society when it comes to gender and sexuality. The life expectancy of a trans woman or transvestite in Brazil is 35 years old. The majority of these people broke up with the family and failed to complete their studies because they had to work and fight for survival, so unfortunately 90% of them work as prostitutes. The degree of social invisibility of trans people in Brazil is so great that there are no official studies or data that can map this segment across the country in order to promote human rights policies, in the fight against violence, and in the creation of State Public Policies to meet the due demands, which are many.”

Most presumably come to escape poverty and discrimination - if what she says is true

view this from 12:00
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[JoJo93]

Good on them doing what they need to do to survive. That's what I respect from people who come from that part of the world, they are fighters

[Iceman90]

Yeah I’m amazed by how these Brazilian shemales operate. There are around 4/5 of them each week arriving in my area. They can travel from Brazil to the UK and tour the country seemingly without any checks whatsoever. They all use the same websites to advertise, have the same look/style, “tour” the same locations and use multiple apartments across the country to work out of. I’ve spoken to some Brazilian TS and they don’t seem to be in control of their “tour” locations which makes me think that there is a pimp or some gang behind this. Maybe a shemale mafia as it were or something. I’m genuinely  interested in how the business works. As for the sob story above, don’t feel sorry for them as punters pay a premium for their “services” and most of them are mentally ill and arrogant beyond belief...

[scutty brown]

They're obviously a vulnerable minority, would be an easy target to exploit

[MMab69]

Yeah I’m amazed by how these Brazilian shemales operate. There are around 4/5 of them each week arriving in my area. They can travel from Brazil to the UK and tour the country seemingly without any checks whatsoever. They all use the same websites to advertise, have the same look/style, “tour” the same locations and use multiple apartments across the country to work out of. I’ve spoken to some Brazilian TS and they don’t seem to be in control of their “tour” locations which makes me think that there is a pimp or some gang behind this. Maybe a shemale mafia as it were or something. I’m genuinely  interested in how the business works. As for the sob story above, don’t feel sorry for them as punters pay a premium for their “services” and most of them are mentally ill and arrogant beyond belief...

You are not the only one amazed. When i look at some of their ads on Birchplace I wonder who is penning them  and how much they are being paid considering that most of these Brazillians barely speak a word of English and the ads are not the work of Google translator .  Is it any surprise we hear of punters saying that what was on offer on their profile never materialised.

I also think its only a matter of time before we hear Mail on sundary report of a police raid on some of them due to working in covid conditions and having come over here with the Brazillian variant of the virus.  Punters caught in the act will be on a real sticky wicket.

[spartacusf]

Thought-provoking stuff, I hadn't considered the consent thing at all.  The surgery some of these guys have had, and the hormonal manipulation, are complex and expensive.  Do they choose this lifestyle freely, invest money they already have, and choose to come to Europe to make a living under their own steam? 

[specialedition28]

I've always wondered this - i've visited a few TS and they were all Brazilian....luckily they've mostly been nice, and polite, friendly too. This was all before Covid though, so i'd be loathe to do so now and you hear horror stories of some who are a bit bonkers, but we don't seem to have much of an alternative in the UK (unlike America for example, who seem to have 'home grown' ladies)

But yes, who does their bios? Their professional photos? Who organises accommodation? Must be quite some organisation behind it all....

[MMab69]

But yes, who does their bios? Their professional photos? Who organises accommodation? Must be quite some organisation behind it all....

Someone raking it in under the heading - consultancy and facilitation fees. Probably the same person sorting out or giving them tips on how to get a visa.

[spartacusf]

I thought I'd Google Scholar.  There is lots of claptrap in this piece but it might be interesting:

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Scroll down to the 'Notes on traficking....' section:

Travelling to Europe, becoming Europeia,8 comes from the ideal of being beautiful and feminine, fine and sophisticated, being a diva instead of a viado de peito (slang for ‘fag with tits’), as Pelúcio (2010) suggests. Going to Europe is the biggest dream of many travestis, as it means living an experience that would otherwise be impossible to Third World inhabitants. Even if they recognise there is still stigma and prejudice around migrants, and, especially, prostitutes, the risk (and the price they pay for it) seems worth it. Marguinha Minelli, a travesti who lived and worked in Paris, reports that, still, in Europe, men respect travestis and liked her a lot more ‘as woman,’ something she says would be unthinkable in Brazil

[Chris1990mcr]

They come here and a few retired ts escorts organise the tour, help them take the calls like a maid etc.

I don’t think they are trafficked, but it’s a good chance to earn a good stream of money.

A lot settle in Europe particularly Spain, Portugal and Italy so could travel and work within Europe quite freely.

Don’t think there are much opportunities for trannies. Would you employ one if you had an interview for staff in your work?

Prostitution is probably the best way to earn the money involved in that lifestyle and the upkeep involved.

Different than women aswell, they quite enjoy the fucking horny like men

[RogerThat]

Interesting.

Two things come to mind.

I had a Spanish girlfriend who used to love the freedoms in London, and she was straight.

And a friend of mine had a TS apply for a job. It brings on a whole host a issues, like toilets etc. They did a bit of digging and found that this person had had a string of jobs longer than your arm.

[TotalRecall]

Don’t think there are much opportunities for trannies. Would you employ one if you had an interview for staff in your work?

I knew a guy who suffered with really bad gynaecomastia (man boobs) for a good couple of years, and he really struggled to get a job. Potential employees would take one look at him and assume he was transitioning, and so I can see it being far more difficult for a trans person to get a regular job.

[Trex]

most of them are mentally ill and arrogant beyond belief...

Here is the problem right there. You know why they like that because they get discriminated.

That why trans struggle to find a job because of that, Similar to the black people going though the same thing.

Reason why trans go for sex work because it’s a big demand in the UK, so they can afford Surgery on their body and face. Once they done that, then maybe give up sex work, find a job and have a Relationship.

There are human beings at the of the day, we all different and we not perfect either.

[NickyBobby]

Don’t think there are much opportunities for trannies. Would you employ one if you had an interview for staff in your work?

Doesn’t bother me in the slightest as long as they produce quality work.

[Chris1990mcr]

Doesn’t bother me in the slightest as long as they produce quality work.

Ok, when I briefly worked in recruitment I think given the number of candidates for a job you would just go for an easy life.

A lot of trannies are mental and volatile from what I’ve seen escorting. I wouldn’t mind shagging but honestly would I want to settle down with one or have one as a GF? No chance long term. So they know that to most guys they are just a fantasy.

[Joe Exotic]

Never seen so many TS’ migrate for work. Usually have to fly SE Asia to see the ladyboys in their natural habitat.

NOW the tight waisted, curvy assed, big tittied Brazilian plastic boys have infiltrated the Queen’s capital.

As someone mentioned - bringing mental health and other problems.

The worst of all - advertising as women.

[scutty brown]

Never seen so many TS’ migrate for work. Usually have to fly SE Asia to see the ladyboys in their natural habitat.

NOW the tight waisted, curvy assed, big tittied Brazilian plastic boys have infiltrated the Queen’s capital.

As someone mentioned - bringing mental health and other problems.

The worst of all - advertising as women.

I think you need renaming as JuniorRedCab

[Joe Exotic]

Nothing but FACTs, Dutty Brown.

[ZK]

I doubt they are trafficked, they just come here to earn money and send it back home to their poor families. Same setup as the women.

The exchange rate between pounds and brazilian reals is amazing for them. England is a goldmine to them, if they can't come here then they will go to Spain where it is not so lucrative.

[fuckmepink]

Italy also very popular

[Jimmy83]

Don’t think there are much opportunities for trannies. Would you employ one if you had an interview for staff in your work?

If we're being honest here, some companies would actually want to hire trans women so that they seem "progressive" and "inclusive".

I personally couldn't care less. I don't work in recruitment but I am one of the people that can voice their opinion on a potential candidate. If they can do the job I don't care if they're trans, black, brown or even a horse.

[winkywanky]

If we're being honest here, some companies would actually want to hire trans women so that they seem "progressive" and "inclusive".

I personally couldn't care less. I don't work in recruitment but I am one of the people that can voice their opinion on a potential candidate. If they can do the job I don't care if they're trans, black, brown and even hung like a horse.

Amended for you with special reference to the context of the thread  .

[no2punter]

It probably depends on the individual. Some likely owe pimps, but a lot are here of their own free will.

[scutty brown]

It probably depends on the individual. Some likely owe pimps, but a lot are here of their own free will.

On what do you base that? Have you ever actually discussed it with any of them?

[no2punter]

On what do you base that? Have you ever actually discussed it with any of them?

I've had 3 discuss their personal lives during punts. All said they wanted to come to the UK because it's more tolerant of trans people and they can make more money here, one of them also said she has another job on the side working in a cafeteria. Another one said she still liked going back to Brazil on holiday and pulled up her instagram to show pics of her there. The third said she had married an English man, and her WhatsApp picture had a white husband in it.

I've obviously not had any discussions about pimping, but it seems fair to assume given some of the practices other posters on here have encountered, especially for the ones that seem very unemotional/cold and speak zero English.

[TheMagnet]

Has anyone considered how much money these TS escorts actually make per month?

Conservatively if they see 2 guys a day for an hour each at £150 x2, that’s £300/day.

Over a month that’s £9,000 and over a year that’s £108,000 tax free!

Even factoring in rent, food, money for their adverts, clothes, YSL bags and going out at say £3,000, that still leaves them with £6,000 a month or £72,000 per year.

No wonder they come to the UK!

[grandaddybadman]

As long as they mention that they are TS from the start it's OK.

I only have a problem with the ones that lie.

[Type937GTS]

Did you get a surprise c===3 in your face when least expected?

As long as they mention that they are TS from the start it's OK.

I only have a problem with the ones that lie.

[Big_Al]

I think there are a number of complex issues here. I think it’s probably a struggle for many to integrate into mainstream society so they end up in sex work to pay the day to day bills and for the expensive surgery that is required. There will need to be a generational rethink on gender etc (which is happening) for this to change. This is in the UK.

In relation to Brazil, my understanding is that life can be very very tough there for trans women. Therefore many are drawn to Europe as the conditions, especially in London, are more open and tolerant, and the money is better.

I’ve tried to understand and support as much as possible. Many are real fighters - tough tough people from challenging backgrounds that I can’t comprehend. Some work as sex workers in gruelling conditions to save money. I don’t think many are making loads and loads, even though they’re very popular, as basic Airbnb type accommodation in London is so expensive.

My heart breaks for some of them a bit as I think what might happen to them if they look to exit the sex work gig. What happens when they retire and things catch up with them.

I am probably drawing a line on my punts with TSs now. It’s all too dicey and a murky world I don’t think I want to get drawn into any further. I’d like to find ways of supporting and understanding in different ways, as long as I can properly put this behind me…

[andreas68]

I’d like to find ways of supporting and understanding in different ways, as long as I can properly put this behind me…

I am completely with you on that. I gave up punting about 18 months ago, following meeting a transgirl whose history was so heart-breaking I felt I had to try and help. I realise that this is not really a topic for here - so I tried to DM you but couldn't - if you were interested I would like to have a conversation to explore if there were any ways we might be able to help some of these people.

[Dj142]

Brazilian trans look the hottest but usually give the worse service. It's so hit and miss with Brazilians compared to every other country.

[JPin]

Someone mentioned their mental health being an issue, but I don't think any of us could ever imagine living in a country where you're not only ostracised for your life choices, but your life in is clear and present danger. That kind of consistent stress and trauma would render most of us "mentally ill" in some way or another.

[tantric talents]

Doesn’t bother me in the slightest as long as they produce quality work.

I must agree. I have even employed gay men with HIV back in the early days and have no regrets.