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Offline lechuck

Just saw this article on BBC news.

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Is this HOD? Louise looks nice!

Offline Fuzzyduck

Must be HOD, though haven't been for a long time. Interesting read, though I wonder what the motivation was to do the interview. If media attention is drawn to the business, then it could mean the neighbours might not be too happy.

Offline Fuzzyduck

Thought the name rang a bell. I see why she was leaving at the end of the month. Gone from the website.
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=193237

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The feminist who interviewed 100 workers is a joke.  Presumably she only interviewed women at the cheaper end of the scale who are either poorly qualified or certified to work in ordinary jobs.  Did she talk to the fuck-ton of girls working in the 150+ per hr bracket?  The ones tottering around in the designer outfits with their (multiple) iPhone Xs, jewel encrusted watches, living in apartments that cost well North of £1000 pcm?

Offline MrIncredible

The photos are from  HOD3 in Pimlico, I recognise the layout from when I was early and had to wait, you also see it on some of their twitter pictures.

Offline hendrix

The feminist who interviewed 100 workers is a joke.  Presumably she only interviewed women at the cheaper end of the scale who are either poorly qualified or certified to work in ordinary jobs.  Did she talk to the fuck-ton of girls working in the 150+ per hr bracket?  The ones tottering around in the designer outfits with their (multiple) iPhone Xs, jewel encrusted watches, living in apartments that cost well North of £1000 pcm?

The whores you describe don't fit the media narrative unfortunately, even though that type are the vast majority of the ones I've met at least.

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The whores you describe don't fit the media narrative unfortunately, even though that type are the vast majority of the ones I've met at least.

Yup, I'd like to see her try to schedule interviews with them in between their jaunts to Dubai, Bali, the Med, West Indies, Seychelles, Mauritius and popping home to buy a(nother) flat.

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I am fundamentally opposed to legalisation.   The fact that this is not legal keeps taxation and regulation out.  Personally I do not need some fucking politician telling me I can only get a covered blowjob and trying to take 50% off the top in tax.


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I am fundamentally opposed to legalisation.   The fact that this is not legal keeps taxation and regulation out.  Personally I do not need some fucking politician telling me I can only get a covered blowjob and trying to take 50% off the top in tax.

It's only the brothel keeping and pimping that's illegal right?
Is there something you haven't told us about your interest in this game?

Offline DipsyDoodle

I think I understand Mr Happypants' point.  Take Australia where brothels are legal and so are escorts.  Each state establishes their own rules.  For example, OWO and RO without a damn is illegal in Canberra, but legal in New South Wales. Girls are required to be tested every so often (just don't remember the frequency).  Prices at the brothels aren't too bad but the services are limited.  Escort prices are ridiculously high and then bound by the same laws.  Very few escorts will bend the rules because there are serious legal consequences if caught.

The idea behind the laws is to stop trafficking of girls that don't want to be doing this, but most importantly, is incremental tax income for the government.

I believe that a very high percentage of girls on AW are not trafficked (belief rather than firm data) and therefore government regulations only means more tax revenue for the government in the form of higher fees for us.

Offline smiths

I am fundamentally opposed to legalisation.   The fact that this is not legal keeps taxation and regulation out.  Personally I do not need some fucking politician telling me I can only get a covered blowjob and trying to take 50% off the top in tax.

Yes this is true in my view to, it would lead to higher prices for punters, I am not opposed to brothels where a group of WGs without a pimp wish to work together, however the problem with that is how will the police know in some or many cases if there is a pimp or not if they are subtle about it.

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I think I understand Mr Happypants' point.  Take Australia where brothels are legal and so are escorts.  Each state establishes their own rules.  For example, OWO and RO without a damn is illegal in Canberra, but legal in New South Wales. Girls are required to be tested every so often (just don't remember the frequency).  Prices at the brothels aren't too bad but the services are limited.  Escort prices are ridiculously high and then bound by the same laws.  Very few escorts will bend the rules because there are serious legal consequences if caught.

The idea behind the laws is to stop trafficking of girls that don't want to be doing this, but most importantly, is incremental tax income for the government.

I believe that a very high percentage of girls on AW are not trafficked (belief rather than firm data) and therefore government regulations only means more tax revenue for the government in the form of higher fees for us.

Two separate issue here then; the legalisation of the brothels and the running of a business employing/hosting/profiting from multiple sex workers; Society imposing morality on a fundamental freedom of all individuals to engage in sex how they like.
If they try to mandate the latter then they should also mandate how all consensual sex partners conduct their sex acts.

Offline DipsyDoodle

If they try to mandate the latter then they should also mandate how all consensual sex partners conduct their sex acts.
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Offline TonyD

whats the pimps game in allowing this?? is he trying to hide in plain sight? is it because he is ex old bill he hasnt been done for money laundering yet?

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I think I understand Mr Happypants' point.  Take Australia where brothels are legal and so are escorts.  Each state establishes their own rules.  For example, OWO and RO without a damn is illegal in Canberra, but legal in New South Wales. Girls are required to be tested every so often (just don't remember the frequency).  Prices at the brothels aren't too bad but the services are limited.  Escort prices are ridiculously high and then bound by the same laws.  Very few escorts will bend the rules because there are serious legal consequences if caught.

The idea behind the laws is to stop trafficking of girls that don't want to be doing this, but most importantly, is incremental tax income for the government.

I believe that a very high percentage of girls on AW are not trafficked (belief rather than firm data) and therefore government regulations only means more tax revenue for the government in the form of higher fees for us.

Yep Australia was precisely the example I was thinking of.  Legalised brothels mean taxation and regulation.  I agree the trafficking argument is a smokescreen/excuse/deception used by advocates to justify legislation and regulation.  Any change in the law certainly ain’t going work in our favour.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2018, 11:52:07 pm by mrhappypants »

Offline Lordko2001

I think I understand Mr Happypants' point.  Take Australia where brothels are legal and so are escorts.  Each state establishes their own rules.  For example, OWO and RO without a damn is illegal in Canberra, but legal in New South Wales. Girls are required to be tested every so often (just don't remember the frequency).  Prices at the brothels aren't too bad but the services are limited.  Escort prices are ridiculously high and then bound by the same laws.  Very few escorts will bend the rules because there are serious legal consequences if caught.

The idea behind the laws is to stop trafficking of girls that don't want to be doing this, but most importantly, is incremental tax income for the government.

I believe that a very high percentage of girls on AW are not trafficked (belief rather than firm data) and therefore government regulations only means more tax revenue for the government in the form of higher fees for us.

it works pretty well in Spain where brothels are like bars or strip clubs with rooms upstairs. Prices are not too high and the service excellent. Walking into one is like walking in a candy shop and i always wish they could exist in the uk.

Offline fantasticmrfox

Interesting....very interesting. To her credit louise comes across as an confident, articulate and smart character (quite attractive as well). But I'm trying to figure out why HoD woukd proactively partake in this, whats in it for them as they would've been asked by the beed. And at a national level the beed aren't interested in shutting down HoD.

Ive come to the conclusion, its a PR win for HoD. That being, the authorities can turn the screws whenever they want, there's no hiding from that whatsoever. But taking part in this tv thing, I think was more directed at these twitter warrior's etc trying to cause trouble, out punters, or give girls hassle.

Its them saying...we know where we stand with the law, but we're transparent-ish.


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it works pretty well in Spain where brothels are like bars or strip clubs with rooms upstairs. Prices are not too high and the service excellent. Walking into one is like walking in a candy shop and i always wish they could exist in the uk.


I am always willing to be proved wrong and a detailed review on the international board will be a really useful contribution to UKP.  Share your experience.

Offline Bassman

Very interesting in that he is allowed to to run his establishment by the old bill. You wouldn’t think they’d appreciate being outed  :unknown: not what the ‘family’ usually allow.

Also interesting how this WG has left the stable now.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2018, 08:19:01 am by Bassman »

Offline smiths

Very interesting in that he is allowed to to run his establishment by the old bill. You wouldn’t think they’d appreciate being outed  :unknown: not what the ‘family’ usually allow.

Also interesting how this WG has left the stable now.

Countless pimps are allowed to run brothels by the police all over the country, the thing is this can change in a second if the top cops decide to take enforcement action or POCA take an interest in the pimps assets. In the divines case who run HOD and their other brothels in Milton Keynes they have been making loads of money for many years.

mrhappypants

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Countless pimps are allowed to run brothels by the police all over the country, the thing is this can change in a second if the top cops decide to take enforcement action or POCA take an interest in the pimps assets. In the divines case who run HOD and their other brothels in Milton Keynes they have been making loads of money for many years.

I have very little insight into the Divines or the organisational side of the brothels (despite LLP's accusation above) but it seems to me...

Being of the police gives this bloke an insight into what is likely to be tolerated and what won't.  My reading of the press coverage is that tax arrangements are not an interest for the police,  the legal status and safety of the girls, and to a much lesser extent impact in the immediate neighborhood are.

 As others have observed, trafficking is the key issue around which the political forces get mobilized in this debate and this is the lever political, moral and religious lobbies will use to promote legislation and regulation (leading to taxation and the prescription of specific services).

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I have very little insight into the Divines or the organisational side of the brothels (despite LLP's accusation above) but it seems to me...

Being of the police gives this bloke an insight into what is likely to be tolerated and what won't.  My reading of the press coverage is that tax arrangements are not an interest for the police,  the legal status and safety of the girls, and to a much lesser extent impact in the immediate neighborhood are.

 As others have observed, trafficking is the key issue around which the political forces get mobilized in this debate and this is the lever political, moral and religious lobbies will use to promote legislation and regulation (leading to taxation and the prescription of specific services).

No he cant know that as POCA for example may take an interest which he cant control as was proved when 2 of his brothels got raided in MK a few years ago, though 1 was open again next day as usual. What he may well have though is mates in the police helping him presumably for one or two main reasons, free sex and/or bribes given and taken.

 Tax wise and the set-up with the divines is they have legit businesses they launder their cash through is HMRC could investigate them at any time. Its very likely pimps like them aren't going to take the risk of breaking the law to the extent they do and have been for years unless they make sure they keep most of the money not hand what would be a significant amount to HMRC. So I imagine they do pay some tax on their legit businesses but its a tiny fraction of what they make. I also read a link given about this programme and it mentioned he made £60k per year pre-tax, absolute shit, I have no doubt its many many times more than that. They him and his wife run 3 brothels in London, HOD and at least 2 if not 3 more in Milton Keynes, some open 7 days a week with multiple WGs in each, £60k my arse. :thumbsdown:

They only take on willing WGs, they don't need to force anyone, and I agree about your trafficking point, a point I have made myself on here many times.

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 Tax wise and the set-up with the divines is they have legit businesses they launder their cash through is HMRC could investigate them at any time.
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Surprisingly I didn't find any business owned by Karl on Company House that looked like that.

Offline dubs

It's only the brothel keeping and pimping that's illegal right?
Is there something you haven't told us about your interest in this game?

The programme was about brothel keeping  :hi:

Anyway, I agree with happypants.  Any kind of legalisation and regulation means that local council will control brothels so there will be stupid rules like you can't open wone within 5 miles of a primary school and punters have to sign disclaimers against suing the brothel when they get the clap.

They will also be heavily taxed like other "unhealthy" vices such as smoking, gambling and drinking.

The toleration of good brothels like HoD and Sandys (until they pocketed the tax)  is the best way forward for both punters & girls.


Offline Lordko2001


I am always willing to be proved wrong and a detailed review on the international board will be a really useful contribution to UKP.  Share your experience.

No problem will do next time I go there, last time was a couple of years ago so my information may be outdated.

Offline Bassman

Countless pimps are allowed to run brothels by the police all over the country, the thing is this can change in a second if the top cops decide to take enforcement action or POCA take an interest in the pimps assets. In the divines case who run HOD and their other brothels in Milton Keynes they have been making loads of money for many years.

It wouldn’t be the first time the police looked the other way. But to get outed as dlong so would usually be against ‘the rules’ so to speak.

Offline Stiltskin

The toleration of good brothels like HoD and Sandys (until they pocketed the tax)  is the best way forward for both punters & girls.

Just wondering, why did they shut Sandys down after all those years?

Offline Dayardie

Wow man got cajones is all I can say... .
After all da Twitter biz don't even use a fake name....
60k per month more likely

Hands up all dem who worked out who the lady in red is 9 mins in
..not  :diablo:

Offline PapaSmurf

The brothel operating 'in full view of police'

Smh Now I'm paranoid I've been filmed by the cops going in and out of the last place I visited.

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Offline magnetico

Anyone got a link to Louise?
I posted the archive link of Louise in the Punting Discussion thread about that news report

Offline dubs

Just wondering, why did they shut Sandys down after all those years?

Money laundering I think. There’s a thread about it somewhere on here but the court case hasn’t been heard yet.

Offline Mr Farkyhars

"By Victoria Derbyshire
BBC journalist"

I still laugh about the time when VD, when she still had her radio show on 5 Live, was fooled into giving AW an on-air namecheck as a recruitment website :wackogirl: :dancegirl: :music:

Offline MrDog

probably the reason they haven't been raided, shut down or generally messed around with by the vice squad (if we still have one) is because 'Karl is an ex copper'. I remember many many many years ago (must be around 20+yrs ago) I picked up a wg on the corner of George St & Gt Cumberland St, she had a basement flat in Harley St, and said her boyfriend was a copper who looked out for her (in other words her pimp who took a fee but pretended to be her 'boyfriend'). Nothing changes much in this business.

Offline HKS15

Just wondering, why did they shut Sandys down after all those years?

At this point we know they're up for money laundering offences, trial isn't until next January though. People in the know have said the cops got wind of them not paying enough tax.

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The DM have done an expose on Karl and HoD today. Looks like they've been reading UKP judging by some of the stuff contained.

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Perhaps HOD isn't long for this world then...  might be the police, CPS and HMRC will be shamed into making an example of them.   :drinks:

Offline magnetico

Great DM article, I can see that they've done their research, more research than Victoria for sure.

I love the "best rated" comment on the DM :
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The police seem to have legalised all crime ,unless they find something offensive on twitter.

Offline BecksP

Two Page spread in Daily Mail today but still on the website I think i better go next week before they maybe close after all Daily Mail is so public minded in fighting unlawful activities
« Last Edit: April 21, 2018, 07:56:35 pm by BecksP »

Offline magnetico

Either HOD will get 3x more clients or they'll be shut down by some MP!
 Dangerous to get that much advertising when you're breaking the law.

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Either HOD will get 3x more clients or they'll be shut down by some MP!
 Dangerous to get that much advertising when you're breaking the law.

Also suspect the sites will be staked out by photo-"journalists" trying to nab photos of punters and perhaps worse by potential black-mailers.
Both punters and SPs may be less inclined to return under threat of outing.
Could also be picketed by the righteous lot wanting to stop the trade.

Good luck lads continuing to use this lot incognito.

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Just read the article. No particular worry to me but I would be surprised if HoD is allowed to continue after publicity like this.


Offline stonebow1

Either HOD will get 3x more clients or they'll be shut down by some MP!
 Dangerous to get that much advertising when you're breaking the law.

Louise should have waited a bit before removing her ad, there must be a ton of men who've seen the vid who'd now dearly love to shag her!

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big loss for me

Oh, hey Karl, good to meet you  ;)  Your wife's fit!

Offline Rocket Scientist

Must be narcissism otherwise why would owner want to attract this media attention?

Offline BlondieLouise

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Hi everyone its Louise  :hi:  I'm in sunny Australia working for a while  :cool: Thanks for the messages of support, see you all when I'm back in town xxx

Offline magnetico

Looks like Louise is back at HOD