why do all the hotties just do

[grandaddybadman]

Why is there so much do massage only and webcam only girls out there?
and some of them use escorting to string men a long?

And why is there less OWO?

Punting is about convenience.

At the moment wg's are taking the p!ss year after year. 

It's getting to the point where punting can be as bad as having a girlfriend, which defeats the purpose

I think the problem starts with fluffy punters that don't have the balls to stick to what they want.
They don't walk away when the girl looks different from the pics or they don't walk away when the girl lies in the "enjoys list"
The continue seeing the same girls with poor communication when leading up to the punt. etc
   

[baranabus96]

Hotter the woman the more stuck up they tend to be.

Not a rule, just a tendency.

[BillGoldberg]

Hotter the woman the more stuck up they tend to be.

Not a rule, just a tendency.

I've noticed that the Brazilians, for some reason, almost always have the most restricted and shortest 'likes' lists on AW yet charge typically £150/hr

[Brazilian Martian]

I've noticed that the Brazilians, for some reason, almost always have the most restricted and shortest 'likes' lists on AW yet charge typically £150/hr

That's what the market dictates, plus they all tend to be working in areas such as Pimlico,Victoria, Bayswater when I see the ones in the 150 range.

As for the restricted service, south american women are notorious for trying to get money with out doing jack shit. I would say that's a more cultural thing to be honest.

[BillGoldberg]

That's what the market dictates, plus they all tend to be working in areas such as Pimlico,Victoria, Bayswater when I see the ones in the 150 range.

As for the restricted service, south american women are notorious for trying to get money with out doing jack shit. I would say that's a more cultural thing to be honest.

Informative 

The agency Thais have long been a standard £150/hr and USED TO be reliable top drawer all service providers of very high quality
CIM was a given and A-levels often included (not that I'm interested in anal)

Nowadays it seems very hard to find any reliably decent SPs at even £150/hr

All the feedback stars have gone

[grandaddybadman]

Its not a cultural thing because there is too much p!ss taking.

I think it's punters that never get out the fluffy stage.

This is what makes escorts/webcam models and masseuses  delusional.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

[Tommy_73]

There are some cracking Brazilian girls out there though that don't take the piss. LeylaBigClit springs to mind - 140 quid for an hour of full on fucking - anal, rimming, watersports, owo and dfk. The only thing she doesn't do is cim.

Sadly she's move from her Old street flat. To Mudchute - appropriately.

[Brazilian Martian]

Its not a cultural thing because there is too much p!ss taking.

I think it's punters that never get out the fluffy stage.

This is what makes escorts/webcam models and masseuses  delusional.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

It is a cultural thing as me and Goldberg were talking about a high majority of brazilian/ south american prossies that cut corners in terms to customer service.

We were not talking about others just them 

[grandaddybadman]

It is a cultural thing as me and Goldberg were talking about a high majority of brazilian/ south american prossies that cut corners in terms to customer service.

We were not talking about others just them 

Interesting, i will bare that in mind. I still believe that their too many escorts that are unorganised and need to take their careers more seriously.

[ralhar]

punting took a dive with the credit crunch... the women just aren't coming into the profession anymore... the UK isn't as attractive as it was pre-credit crunch...

its nothing to do with punters behaviour its economics and social conditions along with political policies as well perhaps...

i'm not sure why we don't see british women filling the gap though... when i started punting 20 years ago there were plenty of british girls working... you would get loads coming down from the north... then they got squeezed out... but I wonder why we dont see them coming back... i guess the general quality of living is higher now and they don't need to resort to such lengths...

[peter purves]

It's getting to the point where punting can be as bad as having a girlfriend, which defeats the purpose

 

[peter purves]

There are some cracking Brazilian girls out there though that don't take the piss. LeylaBigClit springs to mind - 140 quid for an hour of full on fucking - anal, rimming, watersports, owo and dfk. The only thing she doesn't do is cim.

Sadly she's move from her Old street flat. To Mudchute - appropriately.

Funnily enough, I liked Leyla but I have to say £140/hr is excessive and she is not even in Central London

[peter purves]

punting took a dive with the credit crunch... the women just aren't coming into the profession anymore... the UK isn't as attractive as it was pre-credit crunch...

its nothing to do with punters behaviour its economics and social conditions along with political policies as well perhaps...

i'm not sure why we don't see british women filling the gap though... when i started punting 20 years ago there were plenty of british girls working... you would get loads coming down from the north... then they got squeezed out... but I wonder why we dont see them coming back... i guess the general quality of living is higher now and they don't need to resort to such lengths...

Think this may well be the case with the former EE porn stars who used to frequent here like Sheila Grant.

You raise some good points and insights.

[grandaddybadman]

punting took a dive with the credit crunch... the women just aren't coming into the profession anymore... the UK isn't as attractive as it was pre-credit crunch...

its nothing to do with punters behaviour its economics and social conditions along with political policies as well perhaps...

i'm not sure why we don't see british women filling the gap though... when i started punting 20 years ago there were plenty of british girls working... you would get loads coming down from the north... then they got squeezed out... but I wonder why we dont see them coming back... i guess the general quality of living is higher now and they don't need to resort to such lengths...

I Think the english women either have
- a bullshit HR jobs and suga daddies on the side, or  just killing some guys bank account with alimony ,
- or they are  doing bullshit webcaming on babestation or some website
- married to a shit footballer
- or doing dominatrix beating up rich simps. While foreign girls do the low end escorting.

[Huggy bear]

Recently  this site has saved me a fair bit of dosh
The level has dropped and some of this has to do with the punter. I've seen positive reviews for a shite service
(Being late not providing services lying wasting time)
And they keep going back hence these ladies can keep afloat.
Girls who were about  £60 phh now 80 even 90 per half hour.
Also been to girls who know of this site because punters have told them (trying to gain brownie points I guess) but no loyalty to this brotherhood.
Also loads don't leave reviews on a good WG......
Anyway agree it's getting complicated

[grandaddybadman]

Recently  this site has saved me a fair bit of dosh
The level has dropped and some of this has to do with the punter. I've seen positive reviews for a shite service
(Being late not providing services lying wasting time)
And they keep going back hence these ladies can keep afloat.
Girls who were about  £60 phh now 80 even 90 per half hour.
Also been to girls who know of this site because punters have told them (trying to gain brownie points I guess) but no loyalty to this brotherhood.
Also loads don't leave reviews on a good WG......
Anyway agree it's getting complicated

true indeed.

[llanero]

Interesting, i will bare that in mind. I still believe that their too many escorts that are unorganised and need to take their careers more seriously.

It is cultural.
South American women don't talk about being a wg as a "profession". Most of them would in fact travel all the way up to the UK just because this is a rather tolerant place offering less risk of getting caught, anonymity is a way of life in the UK, apart of obviously needing the cash. The vast majority of the girls who make it to the UK from South America tend also not to be from deprived backgrounds. So they know where they stand up to and they know punters would like to take advantage of them if they could.

Slightly different attitude they show in places where they just might stay for longer -Italy, Spain, Portugal, France-. These are the places where you see them in their natural glow.

[ralhar]

the webcaming thing might be contributing but I have no idea how common it is or how much they make... and they lose there anonymity...

but footballers, rich guys etc... we had all those things 20 years ago but there were still plenty of whores out there...

the niche services were always there too...

the actual number of women (of any nationality) that are working is now far less than it was I reckon... 20 years ago pretty much the entire west end was one big shag house... walk ups, brothels and flats everywhere... from marble arch up to charing cross road, leicester square up to fitzrovia, then you had phone box joints in covent garden, holbon, russell square, across to baker st and gloucester road... also loads going on in kensington and knightsbidge... then you had the real low end which was kings cross, paddington and also whitechapel and others

maybe its the property prices... but property prices have always been high...

there was a lot of bad press surrounding whores and punters and some aggresive attempts to criminalise by some female politicians in the mid 00's so maybe there has been some legislation that just makes it too risky or unattractive as a business?

[grandaddybadman]

interesting points guys. Lets see what influence brexit will have.

[Brazilian Martian]

It is cultural.
South American women don't talk about being a wg as a "profession". Most of them would in fact travel all the way up to the UK just because this is a rather tolerant place offering less risk of getting caught, anonymity is a way of life in the UK, apart of obviously needing the cash. The vast majority of the girls who make it to the UK from South America tend also not to be from deprived backgrounds. So they know where they stand up to and they know punters would like to take advantage of them if they could.

Slightly different attitude they show in places where they just might stay for longer -Italy, Spain, Portugal, France-. These are the places where you see them in their natural glow.

Good post

[webpunter]

I happen to like a bit of massage, HJs & tit-wanks.  Even better when OWO gets added to the menu, with the chances increasing on repeat visits.  I can't be bothered with OW - a waste of time, unless very very well done
IMO the burds offering massage don't see themselves as being hookers.  The health risks for them are way less, to the point of being non-existent.  So these points must factor in their thinking
They tend to be:  better looking / nicer & cheaper
The bookings tend to last the whole booking time rather / towards this, than out the door once you've unloaded.  And to increase the chances of the punter returning they'll typically make more of an effort
The massage burds who have previously escorted & now exclude the FS option tend in the main to be way more raunchy.  They're in their comfort zone
One burd who i've seen a good few times [who also escorts] mentioned to me that massage in some respects requires more effort on her part.  With FS it was easy to make a punter shoot his bolt fairly rapidly if she had no desire in a repeat booking

[grandaddybadman]

I happen to like a bit of massage, HJs & tit-wanks.  Even better when OWO gets added to the menu, with the chances increasing on repeat visits.  I can't be bothered with OW - a waste of time, unless very very well done
IMO the burds offering massage don't see themselves as being hookers.  The health risks for them are way less, to the point of being non-existent.  So these points must factor in their thinking
They tend to be:  better looking / nicer & cheaper
The bookings tend to last the whole booking time rather / towards this, than out the door once you've unloaded.  And to increase the chances of the punter returning they'll typically make more of an effort
The massage burds who have previously escorted & now exclude the FS option tend in the main to be way more raunchy.  They're in their comfort zone
One burd who i've seen a good few times [who also escorts] mentioned to me that massage in some respects requires more effort on her part.  With FS it was easy to make a punter shoot his bolt fairly rapidly if she had no desire in a repeat booking

Interesting, I guess if the girl really does know how to give a good massage then it's a good thing.

[llanero]

interesting points guys. Lets see what influence brexit will have.

For South Americans in particular they will quickly understand it is not worth the risk of being caught and deported. Numbers wise, however, South Americans in the UK are a notorious minority compared with their numbers in other European countries. A fair number of them have either families or a permanent place in another EU country so they will unlikely come over to the UK even if that signifies loss of money.
Most of them without an EU passport of other means to get one (legit or otherwise) used to take the "student" visa, sposorised by "schoold of English" of very dubious reputation. I'd suppose the loss of EU funds for the teaching of the English language will likely seal the fate of these places and hence the end also of such enormous immigration loophole (providing they will get no subsidies from the UK government either... but looking at the drop in applications to UK universities by EU students this looks like a tanglible prospect)
The high end of prostitution though will likely remain the same, probably more expensive as these girls tend to take their chances in 4 or 5 places in a year.

In general, the economical situation will also play a major role: sterling 20% down already, likely to go even down even further after 2019. So I can't think they will have much to gain in rewards to get fûckëd by people whom they had no intention to get fûckëd by in the first place.

[Ozy84]

There are some cracking Brazilian girls out there though that don't take the piss. LeylaBigClit springs to mind - 140 quid for an hour of full on fucking - anal, rimming, watersports, owo and dfk. The only thing she doesn't do is cim.

Sadly she's move from her Old street flat. To Mudchute - appropriately.

Did you get watersports out of Leyla!? Really?

[Tommy_73]

Yes- but it took two attempts. First time I don't think she realised it was me who had requested it (earlier via text) and so near the end of the hour I asked if we could do it and she seemed surprised then very apologetic as it dawned on her.

Then on maybe the 4th visit when I enquired again - she delivered!

[webpunter]

My idea of a good massage is that this comprises:
- max 20 mins on front [reading stuff on here & 40-45 mins gets mentioned  ]
- plenty of reach-unders & cc swipes during this period

I'm not interested in their actual massage whatsoever
On roll-over things just get better 

Interesting, I guess if the girl really does know how to give a good massage then it's a good thing.

[ralhar]

while reminiscing with a friend about the good old days it occurred to me that if the supply isn't there then it's probably because the demand isn't there...

London has been famous for its nightlife pretty much most of the 20th century... the cultural capital of europe... as an entertainment district the west end and soho were renowned if not notorious... until recently.

now its all fucking sainsburys local and starbucks. why would anyone from abroad come here for a good time?

its not just about losing the traditional RLD's... the clubs, the music scene, the excitiment, the atmosphere... its all gone.

[Avogadrosnumber]

while reminiscing with a friend about the good old days it occurred to me that if the supply isn't there then it's probably because the demand isn't there...

London has been famous for its nightlife pretty much most of the 20th century... the cultural capital of europe... as an entertainment district the west end and soho were renowned if not notorious... until recently.

now its all fucking sainsburys local and starbucks. why would anyone from abroad come here for a good time?

its not just about losing the traditional RLD's... the clubs, the music scene, the excitiment, the atmosphere... its all gone.

True...

[grandaddybadman]

while reminiscing with a friend about the good old days it occurred to me that if the supply isn't there then it's probably because the demand isn't there...

London has been famous for its nightlife pretty much most of the 20th century... the cultural capital of europe... as an entertainment district the west end and soho were renowned if not notorious... until recently.

now its all fucking sainsburys local and starbucks. why would anyone from abroad come here for a good time?

its not just about losing the traditional RLD's... the clubs, the music scene, the excitiment, the atmosphere... its all gone.

Very true.

[boywonder]

For South Americans in particular they will quickly understand it is not worth the risk of being caught and deported. Numbers wise, however, South Americans in the UK are a notorious minority compared with their numbers in other European countries. A fair number of them have either families or a permanent place in another EU country so they will unlikely come over to the UK even if that signifies loss of money.
Most of them without an EU passport of other means to get one (legit or otherwise) used to take the "student" visa, sposorised by "schoold of English" of very dubious reputation. I'd suppose the loss of EU funds for the teaching of the English language will likely seal the fate of these places and hence the end also of such enormous immigration loophole (providing they will get no subsidies from the UK government either... but looking at the drop in applications to UK universities by EU students this looks like a tanglible prospect)
The high end of prostitution though will likely remain the same, probably more expensive as these girls tend to take their chances in 4 or 5 places in a year.

In general, the economical situation will also play a major role: sterling 20% down already, likely to go even down even further after 2019. So I can't think they will have much to gain in rewards to get fûckëd by people whom they had no intention to get fûckëd by in the first place.

gbp will go back up.....brexit priced in.....once we see what deal is negotiated and people start to realise that the EU is fucked or if marie la pen wins....

usd will probably weaken as well as trump's tax policies fail to materialise

[llanero]

gbp will go back up.....brexit priced in.....once we see what deal is negotiated and people start to realise that the EU is fucked or if marie la pen wins....

usd will probably weaken as well as trump's tax policies fail to materialise

One day I will fûck Monica Santhiago, yes.

[Brazilian Martian]

One day I will fûck Monica Santhiago, yes.

Yeah as long as your willing to pay 350 to 400 pounds per hour

[ralhar]

"one day" well she's 42 now according to xvideos, looks great but she's getting on for a porn star / hooker... don't leave it too long dude.

anyway, i'm drawing to my conclusion here... the economy, the law, the changing face of retail (online), bad press, the current state of immigration and who is coming here, London as a city... all these things have contributed and got us to where we are right now...