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Offline adindas

A SAAFE administrator is advising a WG doing outcall in London to charge for taxi and then cycling to reduce price.

If you pay a taxi fare for a WG for outcall and you find out she was cycling because she was turning up to your place sweaty, breathless and or exhausted what is your response???
« Last Edit: December 22, 2013, 06:00:57 pm by adindas »

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Offline AnthG

Where does she put the bike?

Plus where does she carry all her stuff - When I see girls for outcalls they come with a bag like they are literally going on holiday for a month. The things is massive and packed to the hilt with god knows what.

A better bit of advice would just say to the girl. Just cycle there and forget trying to get taxi fare as the punter will think more highly of her. And she can then have a good excuse to waste time at the start taking a shower, and an excuse for being knackered during the actual punt.
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The subterfuge aside, I definitely don't want my outcalls cycling and ending up with a sweaty minge.  As it is I am always slightly nonplussed when they decline to use the facilities before getting down to business.  SAAFE is a real eye-opener into how some of these broads operate.  Is the SAAFE admin Amy?  I have seen that woman come out with some right nonsense, think she is a Yank too so hardly surprising.

When I see girls for outcalls they come with a bag like they are literally going on holiday for a month. The things is massive and packed to the hilt with god knows what.

Ain't that the truth.  Had one turn up with an actual suitcase before.  Was living in a hostel and didn't want to leave things to get nicked!  Was a decent punt, I should add.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2013, 06:19:05 pm by Festisio »

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A SAAFE administrator

What's her AW link ? WOuld be good to let potential clients have an insight into the type of service she offers and her mindset   :music:

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The subterfuge aside, I definitely don't want my outcalls cycling and ending up with a sweaty minge.  As it is I am always slightly nonplussed when they decline to use the facilities before getting down to business.  SAAFE is a real eye-opener into how some of these broads operate.  Is the SAAFE admin Amy?  I have seen that woman come out with some right nonsense, think she is a Yank too so hardly surprising.


what stupid advice to give yeah amy seen her site Adore Amy right up her own arse that one AW linky External Link/Members Only and adore her here lol External Link/Members Only

whenever Ive had a look at saafe she is acting like a headmistress makes me laugh, right stuck up old thing with from what Ive seen thinks having a hairy minge and underarms is a turn on, joke imo .   :D

think most of those pics are well outa date  :sarcastic:
« Last Edit: December 22, 2013, 06:36:24 pm by dandaley »

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Don't post here often, and I probably be seen as a traitor to my kind for saying this but I 100% agree. The whole purpose of a wg like myself charging a bit extra for out calls is to cover travel expenses. That only seems logical to me.  :dash:

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And I only charge a bit above Incall fee not much, just enough to cover a taxi

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what stupid advice to give yeah amy seen her site Adore Amy right up her own arse that one AW linky External Link/Members Only and adore her here lol External Link/Members Only

whenever Ive had a look at saafe she is acting like a headmistress makes me laugh, right stuck up old thing with from what Ive seen thinks having a hairy minge and underarms is a turn on, joke imo .   :D

think most of those pics are well outa date  :sarcastic:

Fancy taking one for the team then fella ? :lol:

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Is this not a clear case of deliberate bad advice from SAAFE. Not only to fuck over the punter but also to fuck over the WG.

Anyone can see not only is this a deliberate attempt to overcharge a customer but will make it harder for them to provide a good service to the punter and have an effect on their future earnings. Saying that if they are stupid enough to fall for the con then they deserve it.

What would happen if your plumber overcharged you by £20 and then used a substandard fitting. That would be wrong and if a forum for "Uk Plumbers" actually advised other plumbers to do this then all hell would break loose.

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I've spoken to two WGs recently who've stopped posting on SAAFE  coz' of the petty redactions and comments made by SAAFE "moderators" - probably meaning Amy. I don't even blame them as most of Amy's comments are really snotty and stuck up the majority of the time.

So I'm told. Not that I've spent hours reading everything on SAAFE or anything.


Offline NIK

Quite simply SAAFE is a load of fucking bollocks! And like %%% it's misnamed.
It ought to be called SCAM or CON.

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Hi guys just in case you are interested in following, you could find it in the following thread ....

"How to get more work in London?"  ......

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Very interesting read a WG's was asking for advice on how to get more work in London. She had the below reply from a new SAAFE member just 2 posts.






 Lower your prices, start with �100-120 for the first hour then offer discounts for longer bookings, like -�20 for 2 hours etc.

Get rid of the professional pictures and instead get a friend to take normal pictures of you in underwear from a webcam or phone etc. Dont re-touch or digitally alter the pictures at all, upload them as they are, let guys see you as you really are. When you do the pictures make sure you accentuate your waist-hip ratio. I.E. wide hips with slender waist. Wide hips and a slender waist is a big turn on for guys if they find your pictures sexually appealing they are more likely to book you.

Always make sure you have the green "available today" icon on when you are prepared to work.

Make sure you login in everyday, guys want to see that your active.

Try to bid for a place in the featured members section, this puts you at the top of the page for searches. You have to pay for this, but guys will know you are serious about escorting if you do this.

Try to give a good service when you do get a booking. Having a batch of regular clients will make the whole thing a lot more pleasant.







Imho very, very sensible advice and from a punters point of view exactly sort of advice I would give (Remember I'm the customer who pays). Then this new SAAFE member got totally ripped apart by AMY(ADMIN) for making such stupid suggestions, told she shouldn't give personal opinions. AMY then went on to give her own personal opinions.

Incredible

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what stupid advice to give yeah amy seen her site Adore Amy right up her own arse that one AW linky External Link/Members Only and adore her here lol External Link/Members Only


Oh, no! I've always wanted to see her! Although I've noticed her rates have increased, and with this revelation of her real attitude,  I doubt I will... :(

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Quite simply SAAFE is a load of fucking bollocks! And like %%% it's misnamed.
It ought to be called SCAM or CON.
Plus it's boring.

Offline finn5555

Don't post here often, and I probably be seen as a traitor to my kind for saying this but I 100% agree. The whole purpose of a wg like myself charging a bit extra for out calls is to cover travel expenses. That only seems logical to me.  :dash:

Of course your hourly tax free rate would never cover travel costs would it  :dash:

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Imho very, very sensible advice and from a punters point of view exactly sort of advice I would give (Remember I'm the customer who pays). Then this new SAAFE member got totally ripped apart by AMY(ADMIN) for making such stupid suggestions, told she shouldn't give personal opinions. AMY then went on to give her own personal opinions.

Incredible
All sensible comments apart from Amy's. Even a male escort offered good advice. We all know some advice is disingenuous. Who the fuck charges £130 an hour in a hole like Scarborough? Escorting is a competitive market and any girl that doesn't appreciate that should just give up now.

Offline rnrn636

Very interesting read a WG's was asking for advice on how to get more work in London. She had the below reply from a new SAAFE member just 2 posts.






 Lower your prices, start with �100-120 for the first hour then offer discounts for longer bookings, like -�20 for 2 hours etc.

Get rid of the professional pictures and instead get a friend to take normal pictures of you in underwear from a webcam or phone etc. Dont re-touch or digitally alter the pictures at all, upload them as they are, let guys see you as you really are. When you do the pictures make sure you accentuate your waist-hip ratio. I.E. wide hips with slender waist. Wide hips and a slender waist is a big turn on for guys if they find your pictures sexually appealing they are more likely to book you.

Always make sure you have the green "available today" icon on when you are prepared to work.

Make sure you login in everyday, guys want to see that your active.

Try to bid for a place in the featured members section, this puts you at the top of the page for searches. You have to pay for this, but guys will know you are serious about escorting if you do this.

Try to give a good service when you do get a booking. Having a batch of regular clients will make the whole thing a lot more pleasant.







Imho very, very sensible advice and from a punters point of view exactly sort of advice I would give (Remember I'm the customer who pays). Then this new SAAFE member got totally ripped apart by AMY(ADMIN) for making such stupid suggestions, told she shouldn't give personal opinions. AMY then went on to give her own personal opinions.

Incredible

yes sensible advice.
have you got a link to that thread?

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Of course your hourly tax free rate would never cover travel costs would it  :dash:
I think many outcall rates are total bullshit, many prossies have a driver anyway. Many drive their own car and many won't travel for more than 30 minutes. An extra £50 for a 5 minute drive what a load of shite.


Offline KentAde

Can't believe they keep on about £200ph being a reasonable rate for outcall in London! WTF.......that's way too steep!  :dash:

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Can't believe they keep on about £200ph being a reasonable rate for outcall in London! WTF.......that's way too steep!  :dash:
Especially when there are Romanian incalls at £80 an hour and agencies with supermodel types at £200 or less for outcall.

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There you go

thanks.

The bit where amy says "I wouldn't do a one hour outcall for 100 anywhere, let alone London."
 Well thats ok as I dont think I would pay Amy £100 per hour anywhere either with her attitude  :hi:

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Can't believe they keep on about £200ph being a reasonable rate for outcall in London! WTF.......that's way too steep!  :dash:

You would think that the title of the post "How to get more work in London?" would be a giveaway for them.

hmm maybe you charge too much

Still can't get over how they dismissed the excellent advice given about what to do. I have yet to see any Punter on here say they like photoshopped pictures on a profile.

One of the first things I look at is how often a WG log's in, I keep a rough eye on it for at least a week as it is a very good indication how professional they are. AMY dismisses it out of hand and suggests a Blog. A fucking blog, 99% of WG's blogs are full of weird self indulgent crap which normally puts me off. They think they are going to be the next "Belle De Jour".

I have seen one or two which are much more informative, ie they put in things like how to book, availability, services just to get in more detail without  making the front page look like War and Peace. Found the ones who treat the blog like this offer a much better service overall, guess they are not up their own arses so much. 


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thanks.

The bit where amy says "I wouldn't do a one hour outcall for 100 anywhere, let alone London."
 Well thats ok as I dont think I would pay Amy £100 per hour anywhere either with her attitude  :hi:
There is a reason why Romanians are doing so well in London, some are a crap shag as the reviews suggest, but for £60-100 an hour it is enough to lure men in. The thing is £200 is no longer the going rate, if it ever was and many punters aren't willing to pay what they were a few years ago. I used to regularly pay £120+ in Sheffield and Leeds, I don't think I've paid that for 3 years now. I know it's not London, but that's an example to put it into perspective.

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TBF it was XW5 who really suggested the cycling, and he's a bloke. But yes Amy is a tad silly.

Offline adindas

Can't believe they keep on about £200ph being a reasonable rate for outcall in London! WTF.......that's way too steep!  :dash:

Do not worry. They will soon be ruled out by natural competition if they keep thinking like that.
I know some of you guys might be disagree with me but from my punting POV I am in favour of Romanians flooding into punting market in Britain.

While some of them are shit which I fully agree but if you are venturing and willing to take a risk of crap punting you might find some true gems out there in the market.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2013, 11:13:04 pm by adindas »

Offline AnthG

TBF it was XW5 who really suggested the cycling, and he's a bloke. But yes Amy is a tad silly.
But Amys response

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Ha, I think that depends where you are. Where I live there's hills and cliffs so not good, but if you're somewhere that's flat as a pool table I think it's a good idea :).

But she lives in Scarborough, probably one of the nicest places in the country to cycle - I go there very often as I have relatives who live there. She is making it sound like she is riding through the Australian outback or something.

They even have the Scarborough Festival Of Cycling there each year. But saying that the main picture there looks like someone riding off a cliff :)

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I've said before and i'll say again....

I'm suspicious of profiles which only have photoshopped pics....even more of ones that have heavily photoshopped pics....

that Amy prick needs to fuck off....it's bitches like her that make it difficult to have a decent punt....

She clearly thinks punters are scum for paying for sex, yet she

a) sells it
b) "advises" on how to sell it
c) considers herself a fucking zealot of all things punting!

and to advise ripping punters off....that just takes the fucking piss...as far as I'm concerned she can cunt right off!

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Of course your hourly tax free rate would never cover travel costs would it  :dash:


Oh Finn we meet again. Sure ur not up for that punt? My point was that we shouldn't charge or expect more than our Incall rate for our outcall rate except maybe a tenner or so ish for taxi dependant. I realise most wg are tax free. But I don't mind traveling outside my flat for bookings, just don't want to have to pay extra taxi wise for it, and no I don't have a driver.

Offline adindas



Oh Finn we meet again. Sure ur not up for that punt? My point was that we shouldn't charge or expect more than our Incall rate for our outcall rate except maybe a tenner or so ish for taxi dependant. I realise most wg are tax free. But I don't mind traveling outside my flat for bookings, just don't want to have to pay extra taxi wise for it, and no I don't have a driver.

TBF  the travel time go and return on the top of taxi fare will also need to be included. This is an opportunity cost that otherwise you would have earned if you are not doing outcall. But definitely it is not adivisibale to see the client as a cash cow.
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if she turned up sweaty they have a shower together more fun :)

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Oh Finn we meet again. Sure ur not up for that punt? My point was that we shouldn't charge or expect more than our Incall rate for our outcall rate except maybe a tenner or so ish for taxi dependant. I realise most wg are tax free. But I don't mind traveling outside my flat for bookings, just don't want to have to pay extra taxi wise for it, and no I don't have a driver.

No thanks your not my type  :hi:

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TBF  the travel time go and return on the top of taxi fare will also need to be included. This is an opportunity cost that otherwise you would have earned if you are not doing outcall. But definitely it is not adivisibale to see the client as a cash cow.

I saw a young & naive WG who charged £100 per hour for outcalls but she told me on her last booking she had to pay £45 for a taxi to the client's hotel and £45 for the taxi home.  She stopped doing outcalls soon after (unfortunately for me  :( )

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Especially when there are Romanian incalls at £80 an hour and agencies with supermodel types at £200 or less for outcall.

Not really  because  those  in London  earn  a higher wage  than anywhere  else  in the uk

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We are back to no pro$$ie logic again.   A girl doing outcalls only, does not have the expenses that an incall girl does if she had to rent an incall flat full time and pay all the bills associated with that. An outcall girls expenses are solely travel costs which, dependant on distance and how she gets there, will vary - but she does not have to pay rent, rates, heating, laundry etc.,  Paying for "travelling time" is also a misnomer because if she can't do incalls then she can't be missing anyone else whilst doing the outcall.  It beats me how many 25yr olds can't drive and rely on taxis to get anywhere ( excluding london, where it must be a pain to travel by your own car - though there is the tube etc., though most pro$$ies obviously think they are too good to take that).

Incall / outcall pricing is up the wall because too many pro$$ies just copy someone else's pricing or listen to idiots on saafe whose motives may be questionable.  Occasionally, there is the odd girl out there that collect regular clients, actually think about their prices on the basis of "what do i need to make each day/week"  and everyone is happy..

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Good points, again I think from personal experience if a WG's drives or not is another subtle indication of how well they are organised in  their personal life. Which normally shows through in personality and quality of service.

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We are back to no pro$$ie logic again.   A girl doing outcalls only, does not have the expenses that an incall girl does if she had to rent an incall flat full time and pay all the bills associated with that. An outcall girls expenses are solely travel costs which, dependant on distance and how she gets there, will vary - but she does not have to pay rent, rates, heating, laundry etc.,  Paying for "travelling time" is also a misnomer because if she can't do incalls then she can't be missing anyone else whilst doing the outcall.  It beats me how many 25yr olds can't drive and rely on taxis to get anywhere ( excluding london, where it must be a pain to travel by your own car - though there is the tube etc., though most pro$$ies obviously think they are too good to take that).

Incall / outcall pricing is up the wall because too many pro$$ies just copy someone else's pricing or listen to idiots on saafe whose motives may be questionable.  Occasionally, there is the odd girl out there that collect regular clients, actually think about their prices on the basis of "what do i need to make each day/week"  and everyone is happy..
It depends on the prossie, many incall prossies work from their own home, I've seen family photos and all that nonsense to prove it, many work in shithole areas so pay low rates anyway, some claim benefits so don't pay for most of their rent anyway. Some have the gall to say they have "a lot of expenses so need to put their prices up" especially when it is shit every working adult pays. Their basic actual expenses are a big box of johnnies, a tube of lube and a box of value wet wipes.

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It depends on the prossie, many incall prossies work from their own home, I've seen family photos and all that nonsense to prove it, many work in shithole areas so pay low rates anyway, some claim benefits so don't pay for most of their rent anyway. Some have the gall to say they have "a lot of expenses so need to put their prices up" especially when it is shit every working adult pays. Their basic actual expenses are a big box of johnnies, a tube of lube and a box of value wet wipes.

Quite. The reality is that a prossie's 'expenses' are virtually non-existent and pale in comparison to many small businesses.

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Some of the girls on SAAFE seem lovely. others however (Amy, also im sure a few others but cant remember their names off top of my head). They give shit advice and love nothing more than being patronizing, and god forbid anyone dosnt agree with her. Came off it purely because of the woman's attitude.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Of course your hourly tax free rate would never cover travel costs would it  :dash:

We all know pro$$ies don't pay tax but I can understand why outcalls cost more, a one hour booking could easily take two hours or more with the traveling time --------------- and I am no fluffie.    :hi:

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Quite. The reality is that a prossie's 'expenses' are virtually non-existent and pale in comparison to many small businesses.

That is especially true when they work from home ---------especially when they are on benefits, Adultwork can also cost nothing if they have a private gallery.

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Some of the girls on SAAFE seem lovely. others however (Amy, also im sure a few others but cant remember their names off top of my head). They give shit advice and love nothing more than being patronizing, and god forbid anyone dosnt agree with her. Came off it purely because of the woman's attitude.

If you owned a restaurant would you ask rival restaurants how to improve your business or would you listen to feedback from your customers.

We give far better advice than you will ever get on Saafe.    :hi:

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We all know pro$$ies don't pay tax but I can understand why outcalls cost more, a one hour booking could easily take two hours or more with the traveling time --------------- and I am no fluffie.    :hi:

That's why this makes me laugh because we all know very well that not a single escort pays any tax on the money she gets for escorting

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That's why this makes me laugh because we all know very well that not a single escort pays any tax on the money she gets for escorting

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You know that every single prossie in the UK doesn't pay a penny on her prossie earnings?How can you know this for a fact?

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You know that every single prossie in the UK doesn't pay a penny on her prossie earnings?How can you know this for a fact?

Because once they have the money they are hardly going to be telling the tax man.  Especially if they also claim dole money


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You know that every single prossie in the UK doesn't pay a penny on her prossie earnings?How can you know this for a fact?

Who the hell would pay tax on cash in hand?

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Who the hell would pay tax on cash in hand?

Some people do. They do it to avoid any nasty surprises or future hassles, because they know the onus is them to do so, because they need or want to prove income either for buying or renting a house. Not every WG is claiming benefits, gaps in NI contributions can affect things like pensions and future benefit claims should you ever need them.

Broksonic says he knows not a penny is paid on any prossie earnings, well I've paid a penny(and a fair few more) on my prossying income so I know that statement is not accurate.