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Offline Metalgear2018

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Guys like this are everywhere in society. But it makes you realise how important the legalisation of prostitution can help protect the rights of escorts. I bet this happens all the time but some escorts are scared to come forward (that's my opinion).




Offline freeze44

Scumbag got what he deserved!!

Offline leo_26

They matched his DNA inside of her to the probability of one in a billion???
That means theres no chance it was his dna

Im not saying he didnt do it he most likely did but wow imagine if u meet some crazy prossy who threatened you to either give her all of your life savings or she will threaten to do this to you. Again odds of this is unlikely but u do get some crazy desperate people in life :/

Offline Waterhouse

Hopefully he'll end up knowing what it's like to be sexually assaulted when he becomes the cell block's new bike.

Cunts like him deserve to have their cock chopped off and fed to them.

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They matched his DNA inside of her to the probability of one in a billion???
That means theres no chance it was his dna

It's one in a billion chance it wasn't his.   :unknown:

Offline Fuzzyduck

They matched his DNA inside of her to the probability of one in a billion???
That means theres no chance it was his dna

Im not saying he didnt do it he most likely did but wow imagine if u meet some crazy prossy who threatened you to either give her all of your life savings or she will threaten to do this to you. Again odds of this is unlikely but u do get some crazy desperate people in life :/

Are you for real, comparing the odds that he wasn't the rapist to the chances of coming across an unhinged prossie?

Well done to her for seeing it through and helping to take him down. Scum.
An article from last year in here.
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=232854

Offline Home Alone

They matched his DNA inside of her to the probability of one in a billion???
That means theres no chance it was his dna



I'm guessing here that it's sloppy journalism  - the Mailonline? Surely not! ;)  :D

From a lifetime of watching stuff on TV - plays, police procedurals, etc - involving DNA Tests, I think that the journalist should have written that there was only 1 chance in a billion that it wasn't this guy.

If you read the local paper's report - in the link in the previous post - the probability was explained much more clearly.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2019, 03:49:19 pm by Home Alone »

Offline bigjohn1987

I just posted that

"After being jailed for 12 years Hogben threatened to shoot the sentencing judge in an angry outburst." :dash:

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I'm guessing here that it's sloppy journalism  - the Mailonline? Surely not! ;)  :D

From a lifetime of watching stuff on TV - plays, police procedurals, etc - involving DNA Tests, I think that the journalist should have written that there was only 1 chance in a billion that it wasn't this guy.

Does it really need to be explained,   :unknown:  had it been the other way round the headlines would've been 'man found not guilty as only one in a billion chance it was his DNA'.   

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I just posted that

Does it warrant two threads on the same subject.    :unknown:

Offline Fuzzyduck

I'm guessing here that it's sloppy journalism  - the Mailonline? Surely not! ;)  :D

From a lifetime of watching stuff on TV - plays, police procedurals, etc - involving DNA Tests, I think that the journalist should have written that there was only 1 chance in a billion that it wasn't this guy.

If you read the local paper's report - in the link in the previous post - the probability was explained much more clearly.

I think it's quite common to say that the probability (of someone else having the same DNA) is 1 in a billion.

Offline Home Alone

Well, obviously, it shouldn't need explaining, daviemac.

But as you say, . . . :unknown:

Offline bigjohn1987

Does it warrant two threads on the same subject.    :unknown:

I posted it without knowledge of the other thread, feel free to ask admin to remove it  :blush:

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I posted it without knowledge of the other thread, feel free to ask admin to remove it  :blush:

It has been removed.   :hi:

Offline myothernameis

I just posted that

"After being jailed for 12 years Hogben threatened to shoot the sentencing judge in an angry outburst." :dash:

Pitty the judge didn't add extra years to his sentence

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Pitty the judge didn't add extra years to his sentence

He added 6 extra years to the licence period, making total sentence 18 years.   :hi:

Offline myothernameis

Guys like this are everywhere in society. But it makes you realise how important the legalisation of prostitution can help protect the rights of escorts. I bet this happens all the time but some escorts are scared to come forward (that's my opinion).

Hopefully the message gets out to punter, who have a preference for unprotected sex, and do it with out the permission of the escort, and if this happens to other girls, they come forward and go to the police

But on the other hand, when the punter is having protected sex, and the condom bursts, how will the escort take this, now we all know some guys get accused of rape.  So this court case should be a wake up call for everyone

Offline Stiltskin

But on the other hand, when the punter is having protected sex, and the condom bursts, how will the escort take this, now we all know some guys get accused of rape.  So this court case should be a wake up call for everyone

If that genuinely happened to you and the escort accused you of doing it on purpsose, I can't see it going to court. It's your word against hers.

It doesn't sound like this guy was the sharpest tool in the box anyway. If his defence was a burst condom I'd doubt the CPS could have proceeded. So he must have stitched himself up during the police interview and threatening those involved in the case wouldn't have helped either.

Offline Fuzzyduck

Hopefully the message gets out to men, who have a preference for unprotected sex, and do it with out the permission of the girl, and if this happens to other girls, they come forward and go to the police

Tweaked it for you.


But on the other hand, when the punter is having protected sex, and the condom bursts, how will the escort take this, now we all know some guys get accused of rape.  So this court case should be a wake up call for everyone

I see 3 scenarios:
1) Both of you go "Oh fuck". The most likely to happen.
2) You go "Oh fuck" and she goes "you bastard, you did that deliberately". It's a genuine accident but could be a tricky situation.
3) You go "Oh fuck" and she goes "you bastard, you did that deliberately". She's tampered with the condom with the intent to extort money (as someone mentioned above). I'd probably call the Police in that instance.

Offline Fuzzyduck

If that genuinely happened to you and the escort accused you of doing it on purpsose, I can't see it going to court. It's your word against hers.

It doesn't sound like this guy was the sharpest tool in the box anyway. If his defence was a burst condom I'd doubt the CPS could have proceeded. So he must have stitched himself up during the police interview and threatening those involved in the case wouldn't have helped either.

In the other article he admitted raping her to another SP. A burst johnny wasn't part of his defence: in fact his defence seemed to be based on the premise that it isn't his fault that he's a scumbag.

Offline Horizontal pleasures

I notice that he did not pay her. I am sure that must have motivated her to go to the police.

Offline agentsmith

I notice that he did not pay her. I am sure that must have motivated her to go to the police.
I'm sure the rape was motivation enough.

Offline Doc Holliday

Some of you may have noticed with an experienced wg in doggy position she will reach around to feel your cock. This is often not so much to 'guide you in', but to check you haven't removed the condom .. something which a small but significant number of punters try their luck with. Once challenged they usually back off (or get thrown out) unlike this case where he simply carried on without consent and was rightly convicted.

Offline Metalgear2018

Some of you may have noticed with an experienced wg in doggy position she will reach around to feel your cock. This is often not so much to 'guide you in', but to check you haven't removed the condom .. something which a small but significant number of punters try their luck with. Once challenged they usually back off (or get thrown out) unlike this case where he simply carried on without consent and was rightly convicted.

Trust me it's to guide you in. Some punters are cheeky they will try and aim for the other hole. Read SAAFE warning threads.

Offline fakeboobslover

I think it's quite common to say that the probability (of someone else having the same DNA) is 1 in a billion.
Maybe for this one bloke, if we can be hundred percent sure he’s got no separated-at-birth twin. Otherwise, for any random person, it’s should be much, much higher. At least for practical purposes.

Just ask identical (monozygotic) twins Hassan and Abbas O. from Germany, neither of whom could be jailed for their alleged participation in a 6 million dollar heist. Authorities in their investigation were able to turn up good DNA evidence - which in their databases conclusively pointed to ...well, both subjects, as they their respective DNA was indistinguishable:

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Offline Doc Holliday

Trust me it's to guide you in. Some punters are cheeky they will try and aim for the other hole. Read SAAFE warning threads.

Did you actually read my post?

If you enjoy reading Saafe so much try putting doggy bareback in their search engine.

Trust me a wise experienced wg will likely feel for a condom in the doggy position (especially with a first timer) at the same time as guiding into the correct hole .. if needed. ;)

Offline David1970

When I lived in Hong Kong I remember some SP had signs up.
The signs said removing a condom without the SP permission during sex was rape under the law.

Offline wristjob

I'm always suspicious when it the word of 1 person against the word of another but sounds like he dug his own hole with his psycho behaviour. The worry for me is this could potentially happen with an unhinged prossie, but I would hope there might be evidence of that (crazy texts etc) and most girls probably wouldn't want to out themselves in that way.

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They matched his DNA inside of her to the probability of one in a billion???
That means theres no chance it was his dna

Im not saying he didnt do it he most likely did but wow imagine if u meet some crazy prossy who threatened you to either give her all of your life savings or she will threaten to do this to you. Again odds of this is unlikely but u do get some crazy desperate people in life :/

To match 1 in a billion means 7.7 people will match at most. There's no doubt about who it was at this point. The only out is being an identical twin. Chimerism is considered in science at this point after multiple cases in this field and elsewhere.

Want to not run a risk of someone pulling a fake case? Wear a condom, tie it off and take it with you to dump in a bin nearby. Easy peasy.

Really how many prossies have cried rape who haven't been?

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I'm not denying it is a heinous crime, but acid attackers and sex traffickers have received lower sentences.

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I'm not denying it is a heinous crime, but acid attackers and sex traffickers have received lower sentences.

Sentences are constantly changing. Many a flat out rapist has gotten away with nothing with regards to incarceration.

A lot of the sex trafficking crimes in the UK have involved children, which is why they carry heavier sentences. As for the acid attacks, the laws around that changed in the last few years to ramp up the punishment. Before it was just ABH and GBH from my understanding. So a few months to a few years. Now can carry up to life. Trafficking sentences I don't know, they only seem to publicise the ones that involve kids

Offline ILA2018

But on the other hand, when the punter is having protected sex, and the condom bursts, how will the escort take this, now we all know some guys get accused of rape.  So this court case should be a wake up call for everyone

Happened to me once but I just told her immediately, she was cool with it and we just put another condom on.

Offline Doc Holliday

I'm not denying it is a heinous crime, but acid attackers and sex traffickers have received lower sentences.

Sentencing is a complex process for most offences and can cover a wide range. Rape conviction can vary from 4 years to life.

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In this case no reduction for a guilty plea. Little mitigation and clearly no remorse together with multiple previous offences means sentence is probably in line?

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Sentencing is a complex process for most offences and can cover a wide range. Rape conviction can vary from 4 years to life.

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In this case no reduction for a guilty plea. Little mitigation and clearly no remorse together with multiple previous offences means sentence is probably in line?
He might be a violent nutcase, but if raping one woman and basically making murder threats carries an 18 year sentence. Why isn't running a child sex ring akin to a triple life sentence?

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Good. My sympathies are with the lady concerned.

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Looks like a right nasty piece of work in the mug shot. I am glad she went and reported him. She helped a lot of escorts that he would have booked and had the potential to assault as well.

He could have booked a barebacker but some of these guys don’t want to have bareback with an advertising barebacker as it’s not as ‘exciting’ in their mind unlike someone who protests to it :vomit:


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He might be a violent nutcase, but if raping one woman and basically making murder threats carries an 18 year sentence. Why isn't running a child sex ring akin to a triple life sentence?

Good question. I don't know the full details of this case but the sentence for the rape appears to be 12 years, although he pleaded guilty to other multiple charges which normally run concurrently but overall the judge considered him dangerous so added a licence period of 6 years.

This link shows sentencing council guidelines for child sex exploitation which it seems may be up to 14 years? but as I said earlier sentencing is something of complex 'dark art' practiced by judges  :unknown:

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Offline Stiltskin

Maybe for this one bloke, if we can be hundred percent sure he’s got no separated-at-birth twin. Otherwise, for any random person, it’s should be much, much higher. At least for practical purposes.

Just ask identical (monozygotic) twins Hassan and Abbas O. from Germany, neither of whom could be jailed for their alleged participation in a 6 million dollar heist. Authorities in their investigation were able to turn up good DNA evidence - which in their databases conclusively pointed to ...well, both subjects, as they their respective DNA was indistinguishable:

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Even identical twins can be told apart by a blood sample. Something to do with their antibody profile.

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Good question. I don't know the full details of this case but the sentence for the rape appears to be 12 years, although he pleaded guilty to other multiple charges which normally run concurrently but overall the judge considered him dangerous so added a licence period of 6 years.

This link shows sentencing council guidelines for child sex exploitation which it seems may be up to 14 years? but as I said earlier sentencing is something of complex 'dark art' practiced by judges  :unknown:

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There needs to be more uniformity when it comes to sentencing I know cases are complex, but to give one person a slap on the wrist and another the sentence of a murderer seems a bit fucked up to me.

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There needs to be more uniformity when it comes to sentencing I know cases are complex, but to give one person a slap on the wrist and another the sentence of a murderer seems a bit fucked up to me.

Yes it can be controversial. Just be thankful your a mod on UKP and not a crown court judge  ;) :D

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Yes it can be controversial. Just be thankful your a mod on UKP and not a crown court judge  ;) :D
Judge Tinder?

Offline stampjones

Im not saying he didnt do it he most likely did but wow imagine if u meet some crazy prossy who threatened you to either give her all of your life savings or she will threaten to do this to you. Again odds of this is unlikely but u do get some crazy desperate people in life :/
At the end of the day its another reason (hopefully not that you need one) not to go bb as the only way you could get convicted is if your juice is found inside the escort unmingled with spermicide etc!

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Judge Tinder?

 :D

There was one other point that interested me in the media report of the case, which is that mention is made of her AW profile and that it stated she insisted on a condom and that this was possibly seen as evidence of lack of consent and therefore rape?

Anyone who reads this forum would know that is not always a reliable indicator ...  so presumably none of the legal teams or jury are members here?  :D

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At the end of the day its another reason (hopefully not that you need one) not to go bb as the only way you could get convicted is if your juice is found inside the escort unmingled with spermicide etc!
Which is why felching is the way forward.

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:D

There was one other point that interested me in the media report of the case, which is that mention is made of her AW profile and that it stated she insisted on a condom and that this was possibly seen as evidence of lack of consent and therefore rape?

Anyone who reads this forum would know that is not always a reliable indicator ...  so presumably none of the legal teams or jury are members here?  :D
By that is logic it is possible to take Romanians to court who claim to be Spanish. Surely that is misrepresentation and fraud?

Offline MrMatrix

He might be a violent nutcase, but if raping one woman and basically making murder threats carries an 18 year sentence. Why isn't running a child sex ring akin to a triple life sentence?
I too think there is an anomaly here. We have seen murderers get away with less. Let alone running child sex rings.
However this guys sentence is spot on. I suggest his arrogance and agressive attitude got him this long sentence.

It remains a concern that a split condom or one that slips off, both of which has happened to me could be interpreted as deliberate :hi:

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Which is why felching is the way forward.
That would be funny if it wasnt for the image it conjures up  :vomit:

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I too think there is an anomaly here. We have seen murderers get away with less. Let alone running child sex rings.
However this guys sentence is spot on. I suggest his arrogance and agressive attitude got him this long sentence.

It remains a concern that a split condom or one that slips off, both of which has happened to me could be interpreted as deliberate :hi:
Why would it? Most guys would stop when alerted. More than once she told him no and he still continued, clearly deliberate.

Offline MrMatrix

Why would it? Most guys would stop when alerted. More than once she told him no and he still continued, clearly deliberate.
As I said the guy got the right sentence. He had no respect for her to continue as he did. And yes most guys like 99.99% would stop on request but then 99.99% wouldn't have done such a thing in the first place. And yes it was clearly deliberate.

Offline Mr Sinister

A WG who I've seen few times banned a guy who tried to do this, she mentioned some guys try stuff without her consent she terminates the session gives a portion of their money back if reasonable and that's it banned. I can't fathom why punters do stupid shit like this, I can imagine it's one factor why maybe a certain race will get a blanket ban.