New restrictions for Birmingham, Sandwell & Solihull

[l1mpd1ck]

Is it still going to be legal to visit a SP after Tuesday?

I suspect hairdressers and beauty salons will still be open so visiting a parlour is probably going to be OK.  However, a homebased lady may be more problematic although many of them (particularly FBSM providers) do have a legit side to their business.

I'm enquiring about legality.  We can all make our own judgement on risk.

[The Owl]

Is it still going to be legal to visit a SP after Tuesday?

I suspect hairdressers and beauty salons will still be open so visiting a parlour is probably going to be OK.  However, a homebased lady may be more problematic although many of them (particularly FBSM providers) do have a legit side to their business.

I'm enquiring about legality.  We can all make our own judgement on risk.

The legal side is going to be a tough one. It may boil down to whether the premises are legally considered a place of work or a residential property. If it's legally residential then I reckon you're fucked, or not as the case may be.

Of course this situation is similar to a lot of other laws. The law may be in place but nothing will happen unless the police force enforces it.

On a personal note I think I'll continue my coronavirus enforced break from punting. On the news last night I saw talk of a vaccine being rolled out in the West Midlands from October. There were lots of caveats as to when or if but I'd like to get it as soon as possible if given the option. It'll be nice to be balls deep in a woman again.

[chrisintcov]

Prostitution is essentially illegal before and after. You must maintain a distance of two metres from people you do not live with, or one metre with additional protection i.e. face masks etc. I suspect that a good indicator will be when adultwork open their bookings, they make far too much money from private galleries and reverse bookings to not reopen bookings the moment prostitution becomes legal again.

[Brumish]

Prostitution is essentially illegal before and after. You must maintain a distance of two metres from people you do not live with, or one metre with additional protection i.e. face masks etc. I suspect that a good indicator will be when adultwork open their bookings, they make far too much money from private galleries and reverse bookings to not reopen bookings the moment prostitution becomes legal again.

I'm not sure prostitution is illegal, but a lot of activities around it are. For example, soliciting in certain ways etc.
Equally it is not illegal for a hooker to use a their pad as a place of work, on her 'own'.

[tesla]

Prostitution is essentially illegal before and after.

prostitution is not illegal in the UK

[dog999]

If anyone thinks for a moment, the Police are going to enforce this type of gathering or any groups of more than six they are surely joking.' We have much better things to do constable'.

[pbrown355]

I suspect Chrisintcov means that prostitution is illegal because of the proximity with a stranger, covid wise rather than it's always illegal, which obviously it isn't in the UK

[goodolnick]

Correct. My understanding is that soliciting for prostitution on the street is illegal as is living off immoral earnings (needs to be 2 or more) as well as keeping a brothel /disorderly house but 1 on 1 paid sex is not......

[Brumish]

Correct. My understanding is that soliciting for prostitution on the street is illegal as is living off immoral earnings (needs to be 2 or more) as well as keeping a brothel /disorderly house but 1 on 1 paid sex is not......

Think I ought to have reported the many disorderly houses that I've visited over time...vast majority would've been locked up. 

[bops909]

If anyone thinks for a moment, the Police are going to enforce this type of gathering or any groups of more than six they are surely joking.' We have much better things to do constable'.

Well, you say that, and then there's this.

Someone's (ahem) party getting busted ...

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[Madone1]

The police will never be able to inforce this large scale they will only hit large groups. The odd punter ducking into a working girls house is not going to attract much attention unless the local curtain twitcher reports lots of guys going in and out of one house.

[MarkyMarkSolihull1966]

The law is changing on Tuesday. It will be against the law to visit someone in their house or garden in Birmingham, Sandwell and Solihull. You can meet them somewhere else. Hotels have not been mentioned as no go venues. Whether you think the law will be enforced or not is not really the question. With the high transmission rate, should you be taking the risk of exposure. It is more of a moral dilemma.

[bops909]

Whether you think the law will be enforced or not is not really the question. With the high transmission rate, should you be taking the risk of exposure. It is more of a moral dilemma.

 

[l1mpd1ck]

I'm enquiring about legality.  We can all make our own judgement on risk.

[alibirmingham]

Punters will punt regardless. Personally I’ll weigh up the risk with the rewards. Getting my dick wet doesn’t trump my health and life so I’ll be more careful shall I say. But as a total ban I don’t think I will.

[chrisintcov]

The legal position is clear, irrespective of whether you are allowed into her house, or she into yours you must maintain a distance of at least one metre, and that is if you both wear masks, otherwise you must maintain a distance of two metres. How long is your dick? This applies irrespective of whether the punt takes place inside a local lockdown or not.

[MarkyMarkSolihull1966]

The legality is that you cannot visit someone's home in Birmingham, Solihull, or Sandwell from Tuesday. Also if you are from any of these areas yourself, you cannot visit someone's home in any part of the country. I hope that clears up the legal issue for Birmingham etc. If it classed as as a place of work, the law is different, but that opens up another can of worms, as it is place of work, social distancing needs to be adhered to.

[The Owl]

The legality is that you cannot visit someone's home in Birmingham, Solihull, or Sandwell from Tuesday. Also if you are from any of these areas yourself, you cannot visit someone's home in any part of the country. I hope that clears up the legal issue for Birmingham etc. If it classed as as a place of work, the law is different, but that opens up another can of worms, as it is place of work, social distancing needs to be adhered to.

I've yet to hear of prostitutes being arrested for not adhering to social distancing rules whilst working. Even the blatant brothels that remain open under the nose of WMP don't seem to be affected.No

[jimgooooo]

  :lol:like bluebelle suite in digbeth thats practically next door to the police station

[alibirmingham]

:lol:like bluebelle suite in digbeth thats practically next door to the police station

  Didn’t realise they are still open and operating

[The Owl]

A prostitute visiting you is legal as it's considered entering a home for work purposes. Talk about a loop hole but it's in this link.

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[GingerNuts]

A prostitute visiting you is legal as it's considered entering a home for work purposes. Talk about a loop hole but it's in this link.

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From the same article:

In such cases, social distancing and hygiene measures such as handwashing and cleaning surfaces should be followed.

[Shplurgh]

The local regulations involve private dwellings, which interestingly does not include hotels or B&Bs.

So you can legally crack on in an Ibis...

[The Owl]

From the same article:

Should be followed. Doesn't sound like it's a legal requirement, just a strongly worded piece of advice.

[chrisintcov]

The local regulations involve private dwellings, which interestingly does not include hotels or B&Bs.

So you can legally crack on in an Ibis...

I know I keep banging on about it on this thread, but no you can’t legally crack on in an ibis if you are proposing to get within two metres of your escort.  Or your home. Or her home.  Unless perhaps you are going for a Dom/sub routine that involves no contact, social distancing laws will make your punt illegal wherever it takes place.  Worrying about where the punt will take place is a bit of a red herring.

[DAlpine1980]

A prostitute visiting you is legal as it's considered entering a home for work purposes. Talk about a loop hole but it's in this link.

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Failing that, she was giving me a good education m'lord

[Shplurgh]

I know I keep banging on about it on this thread, but no you can’t legally crack on in an ibis if you are proposing to get within two metres of your escort.  Or your home. Or her home.  Unless perhaps you are going for a Dom/sub routine that involves no contact, social distancing laws will make your punt illegal wherever it takes place.  Worrying about where the punt will take place is a bit of a red herring.

You can bang on all you want about it chap, but I'm afraid you're simply wrong. Social distancing isn't and never has been enshrined in legislation - it is a government guideline and not legally enforceable. I'm more than happy to be referred to any chapter and act in law where you consider it is however.

The local regulations in Bham/Swell/Shull refer to meeting others from outside your household unit within a private dwelling. A hotel doesn't come under the definition  of private dwelling in the legislation and therefore you can crack on in an Ibis or other hotel/B&B (also includes halls of residence) providing you don't break the national 'rule of six'.

There's an argument that the regulations allow the Health Secretary/Local Authority to close down any business premises that isn't acting in a covid secure way, but that's a technical breach and not really relevant to a one on one meeting.

It might not be right ethically, but it's certainly not a breach of law.

[l1mpd1ck]

I started this topic.  This is my current view.

It's legal to visit a salon - what you do inside isn't going to be monitored.  However, personally I'm going to avoid those in the higher risk areas of Brum and probably all of them.

It's probably legal to visit a SP in her home if it's her "place of work" but that's harder to be clear on because many of them are working "under the radar" from a tax/regulatory compliance point of view.  Personally I'll avoid those in higher risk areas and if I do visit anyone it will be ones I've seen before and I know what their service and set-up is like to allow me to assess the risk.

A moral conundrum.  If visiting someone who is outside the "lockdown" area, say, in Walsall or Coventry.  Do you tell them where you live so they have the chance to refuse to see you.

[MarkyMarkSolihull1966]

You can interpret the guidance in many ways, but it does state:-

If you live in the affected areas, you must not:

host people you do not live with in your home or garden, unless they’re in your support bubble
meet people you do not live with in their home or garden, whether inside or outside of the affected areas, unless they’re in your support bubble

The police will be able to take action against those that break these rules, including asking people to disperse and issuing fixed penalty notices starting at £100 for those who participate in illegal gatherings.

[mega]

Whilst this is not about the above areas, I have heard that public health inspectors have visited massage parlours in Stoke-on-Trent on spot checks to see if they are complying with COVID regulations.  Answer was "No" - see below; believe Adeles also now closed.
 
Divas Delights External Link/Members Only  "We are now closed until further notice"
 

[l1mpd1ck]

.....and now Wolverhampton

[redliner69]

Only asking.....

Given the current COVID situation, and with regards to how it is spread.

What is the greater risk, bareback sex or french kissing?

Is somebody more likely to catch an STD from bareback or Coronavirus from kissing?

And if you had to choose between STD or Coronavirus, which is the worst to catch?

Only asking, not passing judgement in any way. 

[JontyR]

If you are visiting a place of work though shouldn't you have to give your details for track and trace purposes?

Or would if its the case that your ring to make an appointment your details are being stored for that purpose? I believe that aspects of data protection have been suspended for the benefit of T&T.