MP's talk about banning Adultwork and Vivastreet

[fed24]

Article in the Guardian, the usual Third Wave Feminist nonsense of course! Has this committee talked to real Sex Workers (and I am not talking about those who have been brainwashed at a hostel run by Radical feminists)? Have they talked to real Punters?

I doubt it!

The funniest aspect of the article is the picture at the top with a couple of Street Walkers, web based advertising has helped to stop the practice and banning those sites would only drive woman back onto the streets 

Also these websites have mechanisms to report trafficking and Punters in general are against the practice and Pimps! Rather than ban the online mechanisms that allow Working Girls and Punters to go about out affairs with relative safety all this does much like the 'Nordic model' that criminalises the buying of sex it helps the criminals and makes things far more dangerous for us and the Working girls!

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[hornypnter]

I suspect they are trying to follow what is currently going on in USA.

Agree it will create more issues than trying to solve or tackle it. I very much doubt they are going to totally eradicate sex for money.

I hope they don't considering currently it bad enough getting a decent punt   

[Marmalade]

Why not go the whole hog like China and just ban the use of the Internet except for accessing party-approved sites. Maybe ban sex as well. 

[peter purves]

We must stop abuse by criminalising punters
The UK must follow France and make the purchase of sex illegal while decriminalising its sale, says activist and author

Vivastreet’s French business was interrupted on 4 June when the Paris prosecutor opened an investigation into Vivastreet France for aggravated pimping. Last week, Vivastreet France shut down its prostitution adverts.

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[vw]

maybe they should read the impact of these laws in US and France

the Guardian of all places posted this about dangers in America

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This is a feature abut eh impact of decriminalisation in France of the escorts they want to "save".

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And maybe see what real un-brainwashed escorts think here

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[TomS]

Article in the Guardian, the usual Third Wave Feminist nonsense of course! Has this committee talked to real Sex Workers (and I am not talking about those who have been brainwashed at a hostel run by Radical feminists)? Have they talked to real Punters?

I doubt it!

The funniest aspect of the article is the picture at the top with a couple of Street Walkers, web based advertising has helped to stop the practice and banning those sites would only drive woman back onto the streets 

Also these websites have mechanisms to report trafficking and Punters in general are against the practice and Pimps! Rather than ban the online mechanisms that allow Working Girls and Punters to go about out affairs with relative safety all this does much like the 'Nordic model' that criminalises the buying of sex it helps the criminals and makes things far more dangerous for us and the Working girls!

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Agree with above. Will not solve the problem and make it more dangerous for WGs and us. Are they also banning SA in the States?

[NIK]

More total bollocks.
It’s not very long ago when some of you were running around like headless chickens squawking that Harriet Harman was going to stop all prossying forever. 

Well, that sure happened didn’t it? 

[Jimmyredcab]

More total bollocks.
It’s not very long ago when some of you were running around like headless chickens squawking that Harriet Harman was going to stop all prossying forever. 

Well, that sure happened didn’t it? 

Little bit like the "War on drugs" ----------- how's that going by the way.   

[Londonpunter30]

Also these websites have mechanisms to report trafficking and Punters in general are against the practice and Pimps! Rather than ban the online mechanisms that allow Working Girls and Punters to go about out affairs with relative safety all this does much like the 'Nordic model' that criminalises the buying of sex it helps the criminals and makes things far more dangerous for us and the Working girls!

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Aw reporting system is a fucking joke.  Click the link that says this girl is trafficked and it just says report it to the police and they will contact us.  It was the lack of reporting that got backpage banned and I can see aw going the same way.  Even if you report a profile for other breaches it comes back seconds later

[sparkus]

I don't use either these days. Let's hope they don't cotton on what TCMs are really for...

Also, there's plenty still on Gumtree so they missed that off the list.

[Formicahunt]

Local newspapers and shopkeepers with empty windows are behind this.

[Blackpool Rock]

The authorities need to accept the fact that they won't ever stop "the oldest profession" and instead focus on cracking down on the traffickers and pimps who abuse girls, i'm sure nobody on here would disagree with harsh penalties for those scum 

Ultimately though as we all know many areas / authorities are fully aware of brothels / parlours openly operating in their areas and tolerate them. Visits by health workers to test girls and also by plod to make sure the place isn't simply a drug den should be seen as proactive and encouraged.
The problem will come however if national Government send out a diktat for a crack down across the board and start shutting down parlours and stopping websites by censorship, all that will happen is more girls on the streets at the mercy of pimps and more taking drugs and being mis-treated.

Surely the best option would be to make buying and selling sex officially legal and then to ensure those buying and selling are treated well and kept as safe as possible, getting rid of the ridiculous laws about brothels and more than 1 girl working would be a good start     

[king tarzan]

 
Jimmy I love your avatar! !!
The whole of my great country without rest of uk!!

[bhudda]

I can fully understand them wanting to crack down on websites facilitating prostitution ... after all there was no prostitution before the internet was invented was there? 

[OldAdmin]

If such laws are passed then AdultWork's payment processors will force them to drop all prostitution from their site, so AdultWork will become a webcam only and digital downloads only website, because they will want to continue to make money rather than shut down the site as a whole. Punters may not believe it but webcams is a big part of AdultWork, not as big as Chaturbate.com but still significant, so that is what they'll concentrate on if such law is passed. AdultWork will become totally irrelevant to punters if that was to happen.

As I said before, AdultWork's weakness is payment processing (Visa/Mastercard/SMS). There's no need for UK government to do anything apart from pass a law as being suggested, because in doing so all banks around the world will comply with the UK law by dropping any site targeting UK prostitution. No need for any UK police to do anything against AdultWork, the banks will have done it for them after passing the law

[sparkus]

I'd sooner lech on a train than do webcam...

[Marmalade]

Credit card companies threw ISG out. They now take bitcoin. It would be interesting if prossies suddenly started respecting UKP more, as the site which produces genuine assessment of their assets or shortcomings. Honest reviews shall be a stimulus to better service, without the silly AW ‘lipservice’.

[Marmalade]

I can’t think of any other goods or services when a bad a review is received doesn’t think ‘must try harder’ whereas idiot prossies think ‘must be evil reviewer’. 

[scutty brown]

If such laws are passed then AdultWork's payment processors will force them to drop all prostitution from their site, so AdultWork will become a webcam only and digital downloads only website, because they will want to continue to make money rather than shut down the site as a whole. Punters may not believe it but webcams is a big part of AdultWork, not as big as Chaturbate.com but still significant. So basically AdultWork will become totally irrelevant to punters.

Adultwork's USA site has already dropped prostitution following the Backpage furore. But remember prostitution is illegal in most of the USA anyway

[Marmalade]

Adultwork's USA site has already dropped prostitution following the Backpage furore. But remember prostitution is illegal in most of the USA anyway

Pretty sad. But living in America is a sad lifestyle choice.

You’d think AW would be more bulletproof. Not that they ever had a massive USA coverage. Not sure exactly how it works. I suppose the Pentagon just offers to buy up whichever island AW operate from or something equally punitive?  Never used AW or Backpage in America. Plenty of better options.

[pawg_lover]

This is bad news, would it be best to email mp's providing evidence why these laws do more harm then good?

[Formicahunt]

America is a whole other world. Local law enforcement regularly work sting operations to bring up their arrest numbers and as a result Indies working through websites have been hit hard and there's been a rise in street prostitution in states like  Chicago. Because punters are moving back to street girls girls are heading for the streets.

It's very similar to the war on drugs. If you went to an NHS run clinic to get your fix you would be offered treatment/rehab. The police wouldn't have to deal with drug related crime and the NHS wouldn't have to look after overdoses.

If brothels were made legitimate organisations and charities could visit and ensure good sexual and mental health, look out for trafficking, and support girls who wanted out.

It takes a big dose of humility for a government to admit it can't fight human nature.

[magnetico]

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And more Guardian rubbish <We must stop abuse by criminalising punters - Kat Banyard> 😤

[Thecunninglinguist]

MP's will never stand for it. Because it would mean banning the gay escort websites as well

[scutty brown]

.................It's very similar to the war on drugs. If you went to an NHS run clinic to get your fix you would be offered treatment/rehab. The police wouldn't have to deal with drug related crime and the NHS wouldn't have to look after overdoses.

If brothels were made legitimate organisations and charities could visit and ensure good sexual and mental health, look out for trafficking, and support girls who wanted out.

It takes a big dose of humility for a government to admit it can't fight human nature.

Be careful with that as a concept: the analogy would be punters who attended a legal brothel would be offered treatment/therapy/counseling/rehab for sex addiction. We really don't want to go down that route with the authorities banging psychiatric labels on punters

[Jimmyredcab]

Adultwork's USA site has already dropped prostitution following the Backpage furore. But remember prostitution is illegal in most of the USA anyway

You can own 20 guns but you must not pay pro$$ies.

You can visit Vegas and lose your life savings but you must not pay pro$$ies.

What a fucked up country. 

[Marmalade]

Many people in charities forming abolition pressure groups are on very good salaries. They will be out of a job if they cannot come up with sufficient ‘horror stories’ even against all rigorous peer-reviewed evidence.

[sparkus]

So you ban Vivastreet and Adultwork, what then? It's like a bump in the carpet, it will just resurface elsewhere on the basis of need.  That's why Kat Barndance or whatever she's called is demanding a blanket ban on purchasers rather than providers.

The reason why MPs and plod are easing up on cannabis now isn't just Middle England anger about kiddiwinks' medicinal treatments but the fact that legal highs and stuff that's too hard to ban/control is taking up more police/NHS time now.

Ban AW.  I'll see you at the topless coffee morning.

[Marmalade]

Who the fuck is Kat Barndance? I hope she can find a proper job when she runs out of steam — I’d hate to think of a poor husband paying for her time and company, meals and accommodation included, in the hope of getting an expensive shag.    hypocritical cunts

[agent47]

If MP's think this is going to help stop sex trafficking and protect women then they are either retarded or this is just some bizarre form of fascism. Are we going to end up going the way of Sweden where both parties have to read and sign a contract every time they do the horizontal tango.   

[Horizontal pleasures]

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just an example of bedpan, not my scene but it is still there!

[scutty brown]

only just

ten Bedpage listings for the whole country under "women > men"
nothing under "massage" or "health & beauty"

[Squire Haggard]

From the OP article,

''Ministers will come under intense pressure from a cross-party group of MPs this week to follow the US by banning so-called prostitution websites amid mounting evidence that they are enabling a huge growth in sexual exploitation and the trafficking of women to the UK for profit.''

Why do these MPs want to ''follow the US,'' like others want to ''follow the Nordic model''?  Could it be because they are so fucking thick that they cant come up with an original idea?

Why not tackle the problem of trafficking of women to the UK ?  It cant be that difficult.

If prostitution websites are banned, then its back to the pre internet age, and more girls in saunas. 

[Malvolio]

Hopefully Keith Vaz will do the right thing and tell Parliament he needs these websites to find rent boys.

Given the current state of the country, this is hardly a priority.

[Strokemeplease]

Perhaps we should all write to our MPs and say "I'm a punter and proud of it, and if you vote to criminalise it then you will not get my vote in the next election." 

[a_test_person]

None of us will speak up. The girls won't be allowed to speak up because others will speak for them. This kind of talk benefits no one. There is no mounting evidence at all. The only evidence they have is a proxy issue of unchecked immigration.

[tantric talents]

Vivastreet’s French business was interrupted on 4 June when the Paris prosecutor opened an investigation into Vivastreet France for aggravated pimping. Last week, Vivastreet France shut down its prostitution adverts.

A great shame. This was my number two site for vfm girls in the South of France.
Strange that sites like 6annonces don’t seem to have been targeted... yet!

[unclepokey]

The last conversation I had with a (now elderly) friend of mine who had been a Deputy Chief Constable 'up North' was to the effect that the new (April Fools day - was it 2010?)  legislation to criminalise the punter that paid a woman that was acting under duress was total bollocks and may well be unhelpful to PC Plod to enforce as respects the real criminals - the Sergei's or whatever who are trafficking and exploiting the women of which we speak.

Quite obviously the close down of VS or AW would be a hinderance to a punter seeking whatever. BUT FFS Prostitution isn't a crime - that is unless the bleeding Sun goes round the Earth!

Life - and paid for sex - will still go on, and on, and on. But right-thinking punters (of which there are legion) will still avoid women who act against their will for the very obvious reason that, in the sexual act, those women will be more than frigid.

[mike63]

There's a short article in the Times today, linking the story to a Trump bill allowing action to be taken against prostitute advertising in the USA. Don't know where Donald will get his girls from in future> There are some comments from readers (six so far), none in favour and one claiming a demonstration will take place on Wednesday outside Parliament against any legislation 

[Itsnotshy]

If you think it can never happen here you are deluding yourself.Confusing what you wish to happen with what is most likely to happen.
All the signs are pointing towards the advertising ban and the Swedish model.
The tide of history is on their side.
The anti-sex feminists and their cucks are on the march and which politician in their right mind is going to defend our freedom in the current anti-male climate.Any politician that tries they'll break every bone in their body.
Exchange phone numbers and be prepared,it's going to be a bumpy ride.

[nbarnes]

If no one does anything about this - these turds are going to get their own way. These cherry-picking feminazi fucktards.

It will probably be a pointless exercise, in the same way the Swedish model has done nothing but drive the trade underground in Sweden. The end of street girls looks like prostitution has been solved, hurrah! Aquavit and circle-jerks all around in Stockholm.

The illegality will put people off - I don't give the slightest approximation of a fuck about it being illegal, but the next time I apply for a job that needs security clearance and it comes up, well I don't want an interesting conversation with HR.

Problem is - the stigma means there will be more of them, than there are of us.
Simpletons like Kat Fuckyard will get away with cherry-picked arguments like "People died in a car crash. Ban all cars."
Someone should write a "right of reply" to the Guardian. They will print it - they need as much contrarian click-bait as possible these days.

I used to love the Guardian. Now I feel like it is time for it to die. It's authoritarian socialism and platform for the lunatic fringe of feminism does far more damage that it's excellent investigative journalism does good these days...

[pawg_lover]

I read in the one sided report they made. They want to make website liable, paying customers criminals and adverting on the street legal.
How does this make any sense.

Might need to go Westminster on the 4th 

[mike63]

P-L. Marching outside Parliament chanting'What do we want? More hookers! When do we want them? Now!' does appeal. Shame I'm on the other side of the country.

[Bikerboy]

The trend is to be more PC everywhere.
Before the internet escorting was considerably lower quality with far less choice and little competition.
I doubt aw and other platform content would be outlawed but nothing would surprise me..
Most of Joe Public are so poorly informed about escorting due to ignorance and biased press, that in itself is dangerous.

[sparkus]

Given that AW does cost WGs fair bit to post on (I'm told) and there's some bureaucracy around verification etc, I am surprised an easier/cheaper sex work/cash for gash site hasn't emerged.

[scutty brown]

Given that AW does cost WGs fair bit to post on (I'm told) and there's some bureaucracy around verification etc, I am surprised an easier/cheaper sex work/cash for gash site hasn't emerged.

It exists. Its called Vivastreet.......
and there's UKAdultzone, but that doesn't really have critical mass and is full of old crap

[king tarzan]

The trend is to be more PC everywhere.
Before the internet escorting was considerably lower quality with far less choice and little competition.

100% agree, Ugly women mostly, limited services.
 influx of eastern European beauties, latino hottie super honeys...Internet access to them.. changed all that.
Physically high end beautiful women, full on girlfriend experiences , makes me a very happy man, way way beyond my expectations. .

[Will2k]

Given that AW does cost WGs fair bit to post on (I'm told) and there's some bureaucracy around verification etc, I am surprised an easier/cheaper sex work/cash for gash site hasn't emerged.

The thing about a cheaper site is it may not have as much in terms of traffic or features. There may be other cheaper retail websites but amazon is at the top. There are other cheaper auction websites but eBay is at the top.

[sparkus]

The thing about a cheaper site is it may not have as much in terms of traffic or features. There may be other cheaper retail websites but amazon is at the top. There are other cheaper auction websites but eBay is at the top.

I suppose in the good old days it was easier for homegrown tarts to put their wares on Gumtree or Craigslist.  These days AW is full of Roms or various b+s - the older British hookers on there tend to be veterans or ex-porn.  It's not really a viable option for a lot of would-be WGs i.e. discreet premises, marketing etc. (the demand's certainly there though).

But I can remember when smaller ad sites did have EE MILFs offering cheap wanks (only that), there was one near me (never tried but saw her around locally) who even offered a commuter special i.e. 8am topless wank (sounds quite appealing!)