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Offline Ybadman

Anyone familiar with this brothel?

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A pair of brothel raiders who threatened two sex workers with an axe before raping and robbing them have been jailed for 33 years.

Edmilson Caimanque, 23, David Fonseca, 27, together with Adilson Mendes-Namdja-Uare, 23, and an unidentified fourth man posed as customers before barging into the brothel in Hackney, north east London.

Mendes-Namdja-Uare had worked as a security guard for the brothel, so he knew the locations of the CCTV cameras and an axe which was kept hidden for emergencies.

Armed with the axe and a knife they placed plastic bags over the victims' heads and tied them up on their beds.

Fonseca, Caimanque, and the unidentified security guard raped the terrified victims on their beds before demanding more money from them.


David Fonseca, 27, (pictured) was found guilty of one charge of rape and was sentenced to a total of 15 years imprisonment

Caimanque asked one victim why they did sex work, and told them: 'It's dangerous work, you could die at any time'.

The women attended a sexual health clinic the next day where a nurse called the police.

Caimanque and Fonseca pulled down the CCTV system before they left and took it with them.

But they were caught because they left their used condoms behind and their fingerprints were found on the bags placed over the women's heads.

Mendes-Namdja-Uare was owed wages for his security work and organised the raid.


Adilson Mendes-Namdja-Uare, 23, (pictured) was sentenced to 10 years imprisonment for the robbery

Speaking of her trauma one victim said: 'I am much more aggressive than I used to be.

'Now I have a sensation of distrust in all men. I used to go out with my friends, now I prefer to stay in my room alone.'

The other victim said: 'The day of the rape, I had a sense that if I resisted more, the man would done much more harm to me.

'I feel vulnerable on the street, even in the day, especially with men around me.

'I have the sensation someone is following me. Previously I did not understand paranoia, now I understand how unpleasant it can be.


Armed with an axe (pictured) and a knife they placed plastic bags over the victims' heads and tied them up on their beds

'I still see the face of my attacker, I can't get rid of it.

'I could stay in bed all day long slowly deteriorating, luckily I have my son to motivate me.'

Describing the attack on 12 June 2019, prosecutor Maximilian Hardy said: 'This was a coordinated attach on both victims.

'Mr Mendes-Namdja-Uare played a leading role in the planning and execution of the robbery.

'By bringing Mr Caimanque and Mr Fonseca as back-up, Mr Mendes was using them as enforcers to carry out the robbery.

'Without him organising the offence, the victims would not be raped by his co-defendants.'

During the sentencing at Wood Green Crown Court Judge Kalyani Kaul said: 'These women were betrayed by those who knew they were vulnerable, and had only been in this country for a number of days, in the case of one victim.

'Sex workers are as protected by the law as anyone else.

'Nothing could justify what happened that night, nothing could justify what happened to those women.

'Looking at the three of you, you would not expect your mothers, your sisters, your girlfriends to be treated like this.


Fonseca (pictured), Caimanque, and the unidentified security guard raped the terrified victims on their beds before demanding more money from them

'As far as the robbery is concerned, you were the certainly the prime mover, without you there would not have been any offences that night.' Judge Kaul told Mendes-Namdja-Uare.

'You knew the women didn't work there regularly, they didn't know you, you didn't know them.

'You told one victim she had to have sex with one of your accomplices, this was happening under your direction.

Turing to Caimanque, Judge Kaul said: 'What possessed you to cruelly degrade these women is beyond me.

'It is difficult for me to understand how you could treat these women in the way you did when you would never do so to your own family.

Fonseca was told: 'There is nothing I can sentence you to which will make up for what you did that night.

'I pay tribute to both victims for the brave and dignified way they gave evidence before this court. No-one should ever have to go through this sort of treatment.

The women offered sexual services at the basement flat via the website Vivastreet and had only worked at the property for three days before the raid took place.

Caimanque, Fonseca, and Mendes-Namdja-Uare, all of no fixed address, denied but were convicted on 12 February of two counts of robbery; namely stealing a Samsung Galaxy S7 and a total of £1,250 in cash.


The women were 'tied up with tape, (pictured) had bin bags placed over their heads and then they were horrifically raped and robbed', Oliva Ball, of the Crown Prosecution Service, said.


The women offered sexual services at the basement flat via Vivastreet and had only worked at the property for three days before the raid took place. Pictured: Scene after attack

Caimanque also denied but was convicted of two counts of rape, and was sentenced to a total of 18 years imprisonment.

Fonseca denied but was found guilty of one charge of rape and was sentenced to a total of 15 years imprisonment.

Mendes-Namdja-Uare was sentenced to 10 years imprisonment for the robbery.

All three men will serve two-thirds of their sentence before being automatically released on licence, while Caimanque and Fonseca will remain on the Sexual Offenders' Register for life.

Oliva Ball, of the Crown Prosecution Service, said: 'This was a terrifying ordeal for the victims. They were tied up with tape, had bin bags placed over their heads and then they were horrifically raped and robbed.

'The prosecution case included DNA evidence from the condoms that Caimanque and Fonseca had left behind.

'Fingerprints from these defendants were also found to match fingerprints on bags left at the scene, contradicting the defence claim that Caimanque and Fonseca had partaken in consensual sex for which they had paid.

'Despite the attackers taking the building's CCTV system, the prosecution was able to show that all three defendants were in the area at the time of the incident by piecing together CCTV from other cameras in the vicinity.'

Detective Sergeant Adam Knott from the Met's Central East Public Protection unit, said: 'These men attacked two women who were sleeping in what should have been the safety of their own home.

'The evidence gathered, during what was an extremely complex and detailed investigation, led to the identification of all three defendants.

'The conviction and subsequent sentencing of these men is testament to the bravery of the two women who were attacked and I commend them for coming forward to report these horrendous crimes.

'The resulting sentence against these dangerous offenders may well have prevented other women from being harmed.'


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Offline SamOmar

Bloke with the long hair looks very similar to one I had a fight with last year. Almost could be the same guy in terms of height,  build ect. But i think he would have been caught in 2019 and thankfully they have been given long sentences for the disgusting cowardly act.
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Offline LLPunting

This will do nothing to rollback the NBA policy adopted by so many SPs.   :dash:

Waiting for the next white scum to be reported here for crimes against SPs, in the interests of balance. 

Offline Payyourwaymate

They done all of that for less than £2000. How much does that work out per year they will be jail for? I don't understand the logic at all.

I suppose stories like this will add to the fire of NBA policies WGs employ lol.
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Offline SamOmar

They done all of that for less than £2000. How much does that work out per year they will be jail for? I don't understand the logic at all.

I suppose stories like this will add to the fire of NBA policies WG employ lol.

Jailed with other nonces lol
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Offline winkywanky

This will do nothing to rollback the NBA policy adopted by so many SPs.   :dash:

Waiting for the next white scum to be reported here for crimes against SPs, in the interests of balance.


Plenty of those of course, but would they be 97% more prevalent than these scum?

I doubt it, and that is why so many WGs unfortunately have a NBA policy. 

Offline Ybadman

This will do nothing to rollback the NBA policy adopted by so many SPs.   :dash:

Waiting for the next white scum to be reported here for crimes against SPs, in the interests of balance.

The ethnicity of the perpetrators did not enter my head once, I only posted it because I live in the Islington area so it’s quite close to home for me.

This also sounds like a Latin run place so I don’t think there will be an issue with ethnicity in the future.

Offline Payyourwaymate


Plenty of those of course, but would they be 97% more prevalent than these scum?

I doubt it, and that is why so many WGs unfortunately have a NBA policy.

WW you are going to have to elaborate on this please. In the article it states one of them used to work in the brothel as security and there is no history of the individuals involved being serial brothel raiders presented in the article. It looks like it was done as vengance as one of them was owed wages as stated in the article.

"Mendes-Namdja-Uare had worked as a security guard for the brothel, so he knew the locations of the CCTV cameras and an axe which was kept hidden for emergencies."


"Mendes-Namdja-Uare was owed wages for his security work and organised the raid."

There's always more media coverage on black men and other ethinic backgrounds commiting acts of crime and violence that those of non BAMEs. Unless you can find the stats to back this up that majority of black males are involved with crimes against sex workers then the NBA policy is just discrimination at the end of the day, justified or not with the example of a few cases. I'm surprised you made that statement WW.

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Online Kelgon85

Ok, I'll ask: what's an "NBA policy"?
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Waiting for the next white scum to be reported here for crimes against SPs, in the interests of balance.

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Offline Ybadman

WW you are going to have to elaborate on this please. In the article it states one of them used to work in the brothel as security and there is no history of the individuals involved being serial brothel raiders presented in the article. It looks like it was done as vengance as one of them was owed wages as stated in the article.

"Mendes-Namdja-Uare had worked as a security guard for the brothel, so he knew the locations of the CCTV cameras and an axe which was kept hidden for emergencies."


"Mendes-Namdja-Uare was owed wages for his security work and organised the raid."

There's always more media coverage on black men and other ethinic backgrounds commiting acts of crime and violence that those of non BAMEs. Unless you can find the stats to back this up that majority of black males are involved with crimes against sex workers then the NBA policy is just discrimination at the end of the day, justified or not with the example of a few cases. I'm surprised you made that statement WW.


A few years out of date but here are some statistics: External Link/Members Only

Would be good to remember that the most recent census has the black population around 3%.

Also, sex workers are free to refuse business to whoever they like for whatever reason. No matter how silly or stupid it may seem to you they have autonomy over their bodies.

Offline winkywanky

WW you are going to have to elaborate on this please. In the article it states one of them used to work in the brothel as security and there is no history of the individuals involved being serial brothel raiders presented in the article. It looks like it was done as vengance as one of them was owed wages as stated in the article.

"Mendes-Namdja-Uare had worked as a security guard for the brothel, so he knew the locations of the CCTV cameras and an axe which was kept hidden for emergencies."


"Mendes-Namdja-Uare was owed wages for his security work and organised the raid."

There's always more media coverage on black men and other ethinic backgrounds commiting acts of crime and violence that those of non BAMEs. Unless you can find the stats to back this up that majority of black males are involved with crimes against sex workers then the NBA policy is just discrimination at the end of the day, justified or not with the example of a few cases. I'm surprised you made that statement WW.

I'm talking about the crime they committed, and who they committed it against. It's simple.

There were three guys involved, one of them was owed wages. Does that in any way justify what happened? Of course not.

As for 'coverage' of these crimes, do you think they only print instances of this kind of thing when Black guys are involved? I'd say that's rubbish. This was a violent crime against women, such crimes will get reported whoever the perpetrators are, and quite right too.

I didn't say the majority of thses types of crimes were committed by Black guys, by inference what I said was that a largely disproportionate number of them are, and unfortunately that is true.

So when I see good guys such as yourself decrying the fact that many WGs have a NBA policy, that's unfair on you, but there is a reason they feel that way.

Offline Tomcat

I totally comdem their actions,  regardless what colour they are, what he did just cos he wasn't paid no need to go to this extreme.

I also agree that every WG has the right to choose who they see or not see, I've been blanked cos I'm brown no big deal I take it with a pinch salt.




Offline Woblybobsdog

WW you are going to have to elaborate on this please. In the article it states one of them used to work in the brothel as security and there is no history of the individuals involved being serial brothel raiders presented in the article. It looks like it was done as vengance as one of them was owed wages as stated in the article.

"Mendes-Namdja-Uare had worked as a security guard for the brothel, so he knew the locations of the CCTV cameras and an axe which was kept hidden for emergencies."


"Mendes-Namdja-Uare was owed wages for his security work and organised the raid."

There's always more media coverage on black men and other ethinic backgrounds commiting acts of crime and violence that those of non BAMEs. Unless you can find the stats to back this up that majority of black males are involved with crimes against sex workers then the NBA policy is just discrimination at the end of the day, justified or not with the example of a few cases. I'm surprised you made that statement WW.

Prove your theory?
Can you find a similar case with an all non black gang and show the lesser coverage ?

Offline Metalgear2018

I thought sex workers had security? In the form of mafia boss and his gang.

Offline Tomcat

I thought sex workers had security? In the form of mafia boss and his gang.


Yes no who knows, you don't know who's sitting behind any closed doors.

Offline teddyking

Must have been traumatising them for. Hope they recover soon 😔😔
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Offline smiths

IMO they should of all gotten life sentences and if they weren't available to the Judge under existing guidelines they should be. Scum like this need to put away for life and then be on life licence once released. So they can be recalled to prison.

Offline MysteryManNo.7

Not exactly the brain trust these three scumbags; smart enough to nick the CCTV footage but leave behind fingerprints everywhere and used condoms.

Not convinced the sentences are enough tbh, they only have to serve 2/3rds before automatic release and I hardly think they'll be changed men after a few years inside a cushy prison.

Offline Stevelondon

This will do nothing to rollback the NBA policy adopted by so many SPs.   :dash:

Waiting for the next white scum to be reported here for crimes against SPs, in the interests of balance.


Let’s face it.
If your scum your scum.   Whatever colour


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Offline oddson1970

Bloke with the long hair looks very similar to one I had a fight with last year. Almost could be the same guy in terms of height,  build ect. But i think he would have been caught in 2019 and thankfully they have been given long sentences for the disgusting cowardly act.
How can you tell his height and build from a face picture?

Offline Stevelondon

IMO they should of all gotten life sentences and if they weren't available to the Judge under existing guidelines they should be. Scum like this need to put away for life and then be on life licence once released. So they can be recalled to prison.

So a life sentence isn’t exactly life is it.

Our system of sentencing is a joke in reality.
Murder someone get 15 years...... out after 9 or 10.

Diamond heist in Covent Garden. Nobody hurt. Get 25 years.

Probably best to do a bit of thievery and murder someone at the same time just to get a reduced sentence  :D

Offline SamOmar

So a life sentence isn’t exactly life is it.

Our system of sentencing is a joke in reality.
Murder someone get 15 years...... out after 9 or 10.

Diamond heist in Covent Garden. Nobody hurt. Get 25 years.

Probably best to do a bit of thievery and murder someone at the same time just to get a reduced sentence  :D

Life sentence has a minimum term, and if your minimum term is 15 there is no way you are out in 9 or 10, unless in an open prison towards the end of your sentence therefore it will be the last year or 2. Murder sentences usually carry a minimum term of 20 - 35 years.

The lower sentence maybe given to a minor or for manslaughter
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Offline SamOmar

How can you tell his height and build from a face picture?

If you look further down in the article
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Offline Ybadman

To be fair a life sentence means the person will be on licence for life and can be recalled at any time. They also have to serve all of their minimum term.

For robberies even if they get 25 years they’ll only serve half.

I do agree that in this country financial crimes (for plebs like us) do seem to get quite harsh sentences when you consider that the average sentence for rape is 8 years in which the average rapist will only serve 4 in custody.

Offline SamOmar

To be fair a life sentence means the person will be on licence for life and can be recalled at any time. They also have to serve all of their minimum term.

For robberies even if they get 25 years they’ll only serve half.

I do agree that in this country financial crimes (for plebs like us) do seem to get quite harsh sentences when you consider that the average sentence for rape is 8 years in which the average rapist will only serve 4 in custody.

Would be fine if you put them with the general population to get beaten up regularly, however the nonce sections and prisons tend to have better living conditions than the general populations :(. Rape sentences should be much harsher
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Offline Tomcat

Not exactly the brain trust these three scumbags; smart enough to nick the CCTV footage but leave behind fingerprints everywhere and used condoms.

Not convinced the sentences are enough tbh, they only have to serve 2/3rds before automatic release and I hardly think they'll be changed men after a few years inside a cushy prison.

Makes me mad that will be out in a short space of time, legal system sucks.

Offline lillythesavage

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No one else picked up on it, but that guy looks Asian to me.

Brave girl posting the info to warn others. Happened yesterday by all accounts.

Offline stevedave


Let’s face it.
If your scum your scum.   Whatever colour

Bang on  :hi:

Offline Tomcat

No one else picked up on it, but that guy looks Asian to me.

Brave girl posting the info to warn others. Happened yesterday by all accounts.

No pics now, feds must have closed her profile.

Offline lillythesavage

No pics now, feds must have closed her profile.

Click on the gallery.

Offline tynetunnel

No pics now, feds must have closed her profile.

There is one pic, of the alleged perpetrator - and since the WG has plainly amended her profile to advise she isn’t working anymore and post warnings, it’s likely she took down her own pics and added his. Rather than the result of any action by the “feds”  :unknown:


Offline Payyourwaymate


A few years out of date but here are some statistics: External Link/Members Only

Would be good to remember that the most recent census has the black population around 3%.

Also, sex workers are free to refuse business to whoever they like for whatever reason. No matter how silly or stupid it may seem to you they have autonomy over their bodies.

Thank you for the stats. In the stats Whites have a higher incident rate but  they are over 80% of the population of the UK so it makes sense. However, that is what is reported no? So how accurate is the data really anyway? You know, I think you started this thread with the intention of stirring this up since you already have all this info available and have a ready made argument. I never even said it was silly or stupid so please don't put words in my mouth. I said it was discrimination flat out regardless of the justification.

This argument is pointless as only black punters will see the absurdity of being innocently tarred with a brush potential of being a threat of robbery or abuser towards WGs due to a few cases shown on the papers, like say every other race is not capable of the same thing due to media coverage. I think I have stated before on a similar thread that I understand why a blanket NBA policy would make sense since black punters are the minority so it would not impact WGs bottomline. I would never expect non black punters to understand really, it's redundant for me to say anymore at all, we would just be going around in circles.   

Offline Stevelondon

Life sentence has a minimum term, and if your minimum term is 15 there is no way you are out in 9 or 10, unless in an open prison towards the end of your sentence therefore it will be the last year or 2. Murder sentences usually carry a minimum term of 20 - 35 years.

The lower sentence maybe given to a minor or for manslaughter

I do understand the system and was trying to be sarcastic rather than factual.

I still don’t get our sentencing.
Why sentence someone to 18 years when they will only serve 12.
Why sentence someone to 10 years when they will only serve 6 and a bit.


Offline Tomcat

Click on the gallery.

Oh shit who the hell that dude! Def not black or Indian wearing a neclace with cross. Albanianish.

Offline LLPunting

IMO they should of all gotten life sentences and if they weren't available to the Judge under existing guidelines they should be. Scum like this need to put away for life and then be on life licence once released. So they can be recalled to prison.

I'd settle for them being put in bent-over stocks in the prison common room for the first week with the cctv turned off and the guards busy monitoring crochet and needlepoint classes.

Offline geostorm1

As others said I don't understand the logic, for £1250 and a phone. UK sentencing is a joke as well. It does make you think, what sort of upbringing did these men have to turn out this way? Broken school system? Poverty? Like the judge said, they wouldn't want that to happen to their own family.

Offline Stevelondon

As others said I don't understand the logic, for £1250 and a phone. UK sentencing is a joke as well. It does make you think, what sort of upbringing did these men have to turn out this way? Broken school system? Poverty? Like the judge said, they wouldn't want that to happen to their own family.


I have to admit. I get a little fed up with this whole idea that it’s the system that fails everybody.
Oh they came from a broken home.
The family unit was poor.
They grew up in an area without a library or grass to play on.


There are plenty of deprived kids who grew up in far worse conditions but they don’t grow up to rob and rape.

There are whole psychological arguments about evil being inflicted upon someone versus people actually just being born with an evil nature.
Personally I think both are true.

People commit all kinds of heinous crimes. But rape.........I’d have the bastards castrated and that’s just the start. Fucking trash.

Offline Tomcat


I have to admit. I get a little fed up with this whole idea that it’s the system that fails everybody.
Oh they came from a broken home.
The family unit was poor.
They grew up in an area without a library or grass to play on.


There are plenty of deprived kids who grew up in far worse conditions but they don’t grow up to rob and rape.

There are whole psychological arguments about evil being inflicted upon someone versus people actually just being born with an evil nature.
Personally I think both are true.

People commit all kinds of heinous crimes. But rape.........I’d have the bastards castrated and that’s just the start. Fucking trash.

Absolutely correct, I couldn't agree more on what you said.👍👍👍

Offline Ybadman

Thank you for the stats. In the stats Whites have a higher incident rate but  they are over 80% of the population of the UK so it makes sense. However, that is what is reported no? So how accurate is the data really anyway? You know, I think you started this thread with the intention of stirring this up since you already have all this info available and have a ready made argument. I never even said it was silly or stupid so please don't put words in my mouth. I said it was discrimination flat out regardless of the justification.

This argument is pointless as only black punters will see the absurdity of being innocently tarred with a brush potential of being a threat of robbery or abuser towards WGs due to a few cases shown on the papers, like say every other race is not capable of the same thing due to media coverage. I think I have stated before on a similar thread that I understand why a blanket NBA policy would make sense since black punters are the minority so it would not impact WGs bottomline. I would never expect non black punters to understand really, it's redundant for me to say anymore at all, we would just be going around in circles.

Like you said it’s best not to go round in circles. I read this article today and posted it here because I thought it would be of interest to the forum. Ethnicity was only brought up by yourself.

In regards to sex workers refusing clients based on their ethnicity, that is their prerogative. Like I said in a previous post, sex workers can refuse service to whomever they choose for whatever reason—including ethnicity.

Offline Rick2468

I read about this story in my local paper. The article I read didn't mention the premises was being used as a brothel so shit journalism. The scar on David Fonseca's forehead is quite distinct and I think I have had a near miss with him. I was walking through a local park on the way back from shopping 2 years ago. The park was quiet and I saw this David character talking to two guys sitting on a bench. I clocked them as I had a sense the conversation wasn't friendly. As I got closer David started walking up to me and was saying something. I had earphones in but was thinking "oh fuck" so instinctively just put my hand up and firmly said "no, not interested" and kept walking. As soon as I got around the nearest corner I looked around to check he wasn't following and called 101 to report it. I didn't write down the reference so don't know if anything happened (probably not!).

The guy was shorter than me but was absolutely stacked so if he had got physical I would have been done for unless the two other guys had stepped in. Someone else on this thread said they think they got into a fight with this David guy a while ago. If so it sounds like he is just a waste of fucking space and a public nuisance so won't be missed behind bars. A fucking dunce as well as he could have done a morning paperround for a few months and got as much money as he did from the raid. Really feel for the women in this case and hope they are okay now.
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Online daviemac

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I do understand the system and was trying to be sarcastic rather than factual.

I still don’t get our sentencing.
Why sentence someone to 18 years when they will only serve 12.
Why sentence someone to 10 years when they will only serve 6 and a bit.
You are misunderstanding how sentencing works, if someone is sentenced to 18 years they serve 18 years, the difference is how and where they serve the sentence. Not forgetting also that a prison sentence can be wholly suspended so it is all served in the community.

After release from prison they are on licence for the rest of the sentence and can be recalled to prison at any time.  With a life sentence the judge normally sets a minimum term that has to be served in prison but again they are on licence after release but until they die in that case.

There was a case of a footballer wanting to go abroad to play after serving half of his sentence in prison, but he couldn't because he was still serving the other half.

Offline Stevelondon

You are misunderstanding how sentencing works, if someone is sentenced to 18 years they serve 18 years, the difference is how and where they serve the sentence. Not forgetting also that a prison sentence can be wholly suspended so it is all served in the community.

After release from prison they are on licence for the rest of the sentence and can be recalled to prison at any time.  With a life sentence the judge normally sets a minimum term that has to be served in prison but again they are on licence after release but until they die in that case.

There was a case of a footballer wanting to go abroad to play after serving half of his sentence in prison, but he couldn't because he was still serving the other half.

Once again. I do understand the system of sentencing.

18 year sentence....... then serve the fucking 18 years in prison. Not 6 years out on license in the community that needs protecting.

That’s what I’m trying to explain. In my own illogical way of course  :D

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Once again. I do understand the system of sentencing.

18 year sentence....... then serve the fucking 18 years in prison. Not 6 years out on license in the community that needs protecting.

That’s what I’m trying to explain. In my own illogical way of course  :D
Judges pass sentences that reflect the length of time they want them in prison, if he wants them in prison for 9 years the sentence is 18, if they were to serve all the sentence given in prison the sentence would be 9 to achieve the same result. Only that way they would not be on licence for 9 years so the sentence would be shorter. They state a minimum term of a life sentence because that's how long the want them locked up.

Or do you really think it comes as a surprise to a judge that they only serve half of the sentence actually in prison.   :unknown:
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Offline lillythesavage


I have to admit. I get a little fed up with this whole idea that it’s the system that fails everybody.
Oh they came from a broken home.
The family unit was poor.
They grew up in an area without a library or grass to play on.


There are plenty of deprived kids who grew up in far worse conditions but they don’t grow up to rob and rape.

There are whole psychological arguments about evil being inflicted upon someone versus people actually just being born with an evil nature.
Personally I think both are true.

People commit all kinds of heinous crimes. But rape.........I’d have the bastards castrated and that’s just the start. Fucking trash.

Anyone disagreeing with you should google this school where a friend works " Brampton Manor "  more pupils got places at Oxbridge than Eton managed. It is quite amazing what can be done with discipline and the will to educate, if someone takes the time and effort to do so and ignores outside influence.

Offline vindici

Once again. I do understand the system of sentencing.

18 year sentence....... then serve the fucking 18 years in prison. Not 6 years out on license in the community that needs protecting.

That’s what I’m trying to explain. In my own illogical way of course  :D

I really don't think you understand the british sentencing system, you keep saying that you do, then make comments clearly indicating that you don't. It's pretty good and for damn sure better than US style "life means life".

By having people serve 9 years on licence, they have to keep their nose clean for 9 years. I.e. habit form a crime free lifestyle during that time. By having the offender reform, you actually protect the community. That is the thought behind the system.

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By having people serve 9 years on licence, they have to keep their nose clean for 9 years. I.e. habit form a crime free lifestyle during that time. By having the offender reform, you actually protect the community. That is the thought behind the system.

Are you sure about that. ???????



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Not sure what this has to do with justice in this country, he was convicted and served his sentence in Latvia so he was not in the British judicial system.

The circumstances around whether or not he should have been allowed into this country is a different and entirely unrelated matter.

The discussion here is the value or otherwise of offenders who have been released from British prisons, after serving part of the sentence, serving the remainder of their sentence on licence in this country.
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Not sure what this has to do with justice in this country, he was convicted and served his sentence in Latvia so he was not in the British judicial system.

The circumstances around whether or not he should have been allowed into this country is a different and entirely unrelated matter.

The discussion here is the value or otherwise of offenders who have been released from British prisons, after serving part of the sentence, serving the remainder of their sentence on licence in this country.
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Fair enough, are you saying that no British murderer has even gone on to kill again on release. ??????