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[AnthG]

I'm hardly throwing accusations around. Racism isn't exclusive to skin colour, and "Romanians" refers to an ethnic group; why do you think so many Romanians on Adultwork are Spanish or Italian?

They say that because they don't want to admit they are Romanian as they know it is toxic and nobody would want to book them.
 
Do you really think they put some deep meaningful considerations over all of this.

Diamonds tried the same thing. They literally changed all the Romanians on the site's nationalities to Spanish, German and other Western European nations all overnight hoping nobody would notice they used to be Romanian because nobody was booking them.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=22654

Choosing to not represent someone based on them being Romanian is also racist, and also incredibly illegal. Due to some of the private conversations I've had with Junie before, I would hope that she was just emotional when she said that; it's a pretty bold thing for someone running a business to say and quite out of character I think.

Illegal....Sorry....But. 

You will be shocked that all of the regions agency owners said they would never-ever represent a single Romanian then.

All of them said this after Diamonds, closed down because they represented them in 2014. Diamonds was the biggest, largest agency in the region. It self destructed in rapid fashion because it started employing Romanians (quite literally). And as a result all of the agency owners said this would never be them.

[scutty brown]

I'm hardly throwing accusations around. Racism isn't exclusive to skin colour, and "Romanians" refers to an ethnic group; why do you think so many Romanians on Adultwork are Spanish or Italian? They may not be citizens of Romania, but they are ethnically Romanian. Discriminating against an ethnic group is, in fact, racist.

Choosing to not represent someone based on them being Romanian is also racist, and also incredibly illegal. Due to some of the private conversations I've had with Junie before, I would hope that she was just emotional when she said that; it's a pretty bold thing for someone running a business to say and quite out of character I think.

Pimping, pandering and brothel keeping are also illegal. With those risks floating over their heads they're not going to give a shit about a dose of racism

[daviemac]

Now you're trying to equate the thai parlours I use with trafficking? You're way off. Not a hint of trafficking. If there were, I'd be the first person on the phone

No I'm not saying that at all, what I'm saying is it is not the agencies up here that have been raided most recently it is massage places. Therefore the greatest risk for me would be when in a massage parlour, not in an incall location with one girl.

The main point is though, there is no difference in what you do to what I do. I use escorts who choose to pay an agency commission to organise their bookings. You use a masseuse who also pays whatever to the owner of the parlour. Neither one are independent neither one gets to keep all the money paid. Unless you can explain to me there is a difference. 

It just seems to me for reasons I don't understand certain members will use any thread to slag off agencies up here that they would never use, but accept and don't comment on, agencies in other areas.

As long as the girls I see are happy to work for an agency and the police are happy for then to trade I'll continue to use them

At the risk of repeating myself, there are some who hate agencies and some who don't. Neither side will ever convince the other to change their minds.

[AnthG]

Pimping, pandering and brothel keeping are also illegal. With those risks floating over their heads they're not going to give a shit about a dose of racism

It's not racism.

Am I in the twilight zone right now.

Just because people want it to be, just so they can throw around it as an insult. Does not make it true. Next people will say its fascism to really round it off....

[James999]

James

Your behaviour on this thread is VERY odd, you seem to try and twist everything to deflect from the guilt of the agency and speak on their behalf

[roboeggman]

They say that because they don't want to admit they are Romanian as they know it is toxic and nobody would want to book them.
 
Do you really think they put some deep meaningful considerations over all of this.

Diamonds tried the same thing. They literally changed all the Romanians on the site's nationalities to Spanish, German and other Western European nations all overnight hoping nobody would notice they used to be Romanian because nobody was booking them.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=22654

Illegal....Sorry....But. 

You will be shocked that all of the regions agency owners said they would never-ever represent a single Romanian then.

All of them said this after Diamonds, closed down because they represented them in 2014. Diamonds was the biggest, largest agency in the region. It self destructed in rapid fashion because it started employing Romanians (quite literally). And as a result all of the agency owners said this would never be them.

Those nationalities are usually given by verification through photo ID. If they have a Spanish passport they'll show as Spanish etc. Ones on agency sites are just chosen by the agency owner.

Yep. Illegal. Don't know why you don't think racism is illegal though. Then again, you've espoused racist views here so I can see why you might be blind to it. If "all" the agency owners are doing it then yes, they're "all" racist. They aren't all doing though, so that's irrelevant. I'd guess that in setting up an agency the owners are considered sole traders(as agents, essentially), so if they refuse to represent someone based on ethnic origin(as in, racially discriminate) then it's illegal.

It's not racism.

Am I in the twilight zone right now.

Just because people want it to be, just so they can throw around it as an insult. Does not make it true. Next people will say its fascism to really round it off....

Similarly, just because you don't want it to be doesn't make it not true. Since it is true that would make your views racist, and that wouldn't make you a very good person, would it?

[AnthG]

Yep. Illegal. Don't know why you don't think racism is illegal though. Then again, you've espoused racist views here so I can see why you might be blind to it.

I did the beer glass knocking meaning, what a stupid thing to say.

What do you think is going to happen. Do you think Katherine is going to go to the Newcastle Employment Tribunals over being removed of an escorting site. As that is all she would be able to do.

I am curious if Junie, Allie, Stacey or Helen said. That's it I am hiring not a single Mackem on my books ever again. Would you think that is racist too? Using all your arguments to get Romanian's set as a race would apply to Sundlanders too...

[daviemac]

Your behaviour on this thread is VERY odd, you seem to try and twist everything to deflect from the guilt of the agency and speak on their behalf

I don't speak on anyone's behalf, I have been consistent throughout, my stance of make your own mind up has never changed and nothing has been twisted by me.

I've proved you wrong on every point you've made, so now you're starting it all over again.

James just stop, you are wrong in everything you say about me.

[James999]

Still trying to twist things, viewers can see from this thread that you clearly have an agenda, I like others have just dared to mention it 

[daviemac]

Still trying to twist things, viewers can see from this thread that you clearly have an agenda, I like others have just dared to mention it 

Report me or give it a rest.

[James999]

No need, being a fanboy doesn't break the rules

But neither does pointing it out 

It is good though that you can debate / disagree without resorting to Moderator status / powers, a good quality and on that note I duck out from the thread

I suspect you will have to intervene shortly on the thread as it's stooped into a racizzzzzzzzzm debate 

[roboeggman]

I did the beer glass knocking meaning, what a stupid thing to say.

I'm aware of what you meant, so in that case: 

They say that because they don't want to admit they are Romanian as they know it is toxic and nobody would want to book them.

Which you were wrong about, but decided to ignore.

Accuse me of bigotry fine. But Racism, nope.

As if it's somehow acceptable to be a bigot just because you've admitted to it.

And, since there are too many quotes, I'll just say "everything daviemac has been trying to get through to you in this thread"

Other than that though...

You seem to ignore the points where you're clearly wrong, so I'll just take it that means you've understood and won't spout the same shit again another time.

Mackems are not an ethnic group( ), Romanians are. Discriminating against someone based on their ethnic group is racist. Ask yourself though, don't you think it would be completely fucking stupid to not take someone on based on what city they're from? Expand that to country and there's what you think the argument is in a nutshell.

Junie didn't say she got rid of Katherine because she was Romanian, she got rid of her because she didn't think she was up to the standard which is fair enough. I hope she reconsiders never taking on another Romanian again though, surely the best way to combat the stigma is to have legitimate Romanian escorts with good reputations at the agencies as well as indies? Now that she knows about better RIS as well there's less chance of being hoodwinked.

[daviemac]

No need, being a fanboy doesn't break the rules

But neither does pointing it out 

It is good though that you can debate / disagree without resorting to Moderator status / powers, a good quality amd on that note I duck out from the thread

I suspect you will have to intervene shortly on the thread as it's stooped into a racizzzzzzzzzm debate 

Not my style to resort to mod status, nothing against the rules in this debate.

Yeah I'm going to post about that in a minute, as a mod.

[AnthG]

As if it's somehow acceptable to be a bigot just because you've admitted to it.

I said you could accuse me of bigotry if you wanted to, as that would be a correct usage of the term at the very least. And I really wouldn't care. But racist just makes you look silly using it. Just like I said if you were to call someone a fascist somewhere in all of this to really round things off.

But you don't seem to get it. And it seems you never will. 

Daviemac is largely arguing with everyone else in this thread but me, he is still going at it now. So I am not sure why you are saying everything he is trying to get through to me. As he is having none stop side arguments with James and Scutty throughout this thread. Not with me.

[roboeggman]

I said you could accuse me of bigotry if you wanted to, as that would be a correct usage of the term at the very least. And I really wouldn't care. But racist just makes you look silly using it. Just like I said if you were to call someone a fascist somewhere in all of this to really round things off.

But you don't seem to get it. And it seems you never will. 

Daviemac is largely arguing with everyone else in this thread but me, he is still going at it now. So I am not sure why you are saying everything he is trying to get through to me. As he is having none stop side arguments with James and Scutty throughout this thread. Not with me.

I think the fact that you wouldn't care about being correctly called out on bigotry is a problem itself too. Make no mistake though, the claims you're making are absolutely racist in remark. I'm not using it incorrectly, just because the root word is "race" doesn't mean it only pertains to skin colour. A quick search can bring you up the External Link/Members Only on the matter:

A racial group means a group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality or ethnic or national origin.

I suggest you read the first couple of pages of the thread again though, if you think you're being agreed with.

[AnthG]

I suspect you will have to intervene shortly on the thread as it's stooped into a racizzzzzzzzzm debate 

As the extreme left knows. Best way to stifle any debate or curtail any issue is to call people a racist, nazi or fascist.

It's Owen Jones's three favourite words and uses one of them every other sentence during an interview (quite literally too).

They were all being screamed at a baby's rights anti-abortion parade recently by Antifa too. And that says it all.

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[roboeggman]

As the extreme left knows. Best way to stifle any debate or curtail any issue is to call people a racist, nazi or fascist.

It's Owen Jones's three favourite words and uses one of them every other sentence during an interview (quite literally too).

They were all being screamed at a baby's rights anti-abortion parade recently by Antifa too. And that says it all.

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You've got some brass neck. The stuff you are saying is absolutely racist, I don't know how you can't fathom that. On top of that you're the one basically saying "call me a fascist!", I've not said it once. It's like you think if you're called more than one of those things you can dismiss the idea that you're saying racist things by saying 'it's just what the left calls people'.

[daviemac]

Daviemac is largely arguing with everyone else in this thread but me,

The arguments are finished now.   

However I would ask you and roboeggman to stop the racist comments, it's against the rules.

FWIW ethnic discrimination is classes as racism, though I don't believe, in the context of this site, that saying you would avoid an ethnic group would be classed as being fundamentally racist. just as saying you wouldn't punt anyone over a certain age would be classed as ageist.

To a certain extent different rules apply. One of you hates Roms, the other doesn't just agree to disagree. 

 

[scutty brown]

........It just seems to me for reasons I don't understand certain members will use any thread to slag off agencies up here that they would never use, but accept and don't comment on, agencies in other areas...................

you don't understand it because your premise isn't true
1) I'm not "slagging off" agencies, merely pointing out that they don't have the interests of their customers or girls at heart
2) never use? probably not now we've seen what a piece of work she is - but work takes me all over the north including Newcastle and maybe I'll punt there again one day.
3) don't comment on other agencies? There are several pieces of pimping scum across the country who would disagree.

But the discussion isn't about me. Its about a pimping scamming agency who knowingly misrepresented a girl, and then sacked her when the agencies lies were exposed

[AnthG]

You've got some brass neck. The stuff you are saying is absolutely racist, I don't know how you can't fathom that. On top of that you're the one basically saying "call me a fascist!", I've not said it once. It's like you think if you're called more than one of those things you can dismiss the idea that you're saying racist things by saying 'it's just what the left calls people'.

You really don't get what I am saying do you.

I said why don't you bring up fascist to round it all off as its the other go-to word the extreme left uses. Just like they did in the anti-abortion rally. They used them all, racist, fascist, nazi, bigot. All the go to words used to stifle any debate. There is no way any of those words applied in that rally, but all were used by Antifa.

I meant it as in you are talking nonsense, and you may as well round it off with the full show.

I am going to say it one more time. There is no such race as Romanian. I promise you, if Katherine did bring an employment tribunal claim against Junie for race discrimination under the EA2010. It would be struck out in the first case management discussion. But I suspect you think Katherine is in for a goldmine here. And there is nothing that I say will change that.

[roboeggman]

You really don't get what I am saying do you.

I said why don't you bring up fascist to round it all off as its the other go-to word the extreme left uses. Just like they did in the anti-abortion rally. They used them all, racist, fascist, nazi, bigot. All the go to words used to stifle any debate. There is no way any of those words applied in that rally, but all were used by Antifa.

I meant it as in you are talking nonsense, and you may as well round it off with the full show.

I am going to say it one more time. There is no such race as Romanian. I promise you, if Katherine did bring an employment tribunal claim against Junie for race discrimination under the EA2010. It would be struck out in the first case management discussion. But I suspect you think Katherine is in for a goldmine here. And there is nothing that I say will change that.

Well, you'd suspect wrong, as per. You're claiming that calling you out on racist bullshit drives me over the extreme left? Well okay, we'll leave it at that. You can reply to have the last word if you like, but I'll take davie's advice on the matter. Trying to explain this to you really has been a  moment.

[daviemac]

You really don't get what I am saying do you.

Anth you aren't listening to what I'm saying, stop talking racism or you will get banned, it is against the rules.

21 Gender / Race / Nationality
Banter is allowed but racist or homophobic posting will result in a ban.

This is getting beyond banter. 

Ethnic discrimination is classed as racism, leave it at that.

[The Outsider]

I am going to say it one more time. There is no such race as Romanian. I promise you, if Katherine did bring an employment tribunal claim against Junie for race discrimination under the EA2010. It would be struck out in the first case management discussion. But I suspect you think Katherine is in for a goldmine here. And there is nothing that I say will change that.

Race, skin colour, ethnic origin, and nationality all come under the general umbrella of "racism" from an employment law perspective.  See External Link/Members Only.  This may contradict your usual reference source which is presumably the EDL Handbook.   

Of course agencies don't employ anyone - it's the other way around.  Regardless, I don't for one minute imagine June was serious.  She's probably just sick of the drama even after doing the right and ceasing representation of Katherine when she wasn't up to the job and turned out to be a liar.   

[thekidah01]

Hi
All I can say this early is her English is perfect, she is stunning’  exactly like the photos obviously we get a lot of recruit emails with photo attached and the girl is looking like a super model then you meet her and think omg that photo must of been took 20 year ago lol, but Katherine is stunningly  beautiful. She didn’t want her face to be blurred out on the site but I did because a lot regret it in the future, 

She is brand new to the industry, she worked last night out call, it’s to early for me comment,
I do not take Romanians on anymore btw but after meeting her I am giving her a chance

X

She she still working for you?
I can’t see heron your website

[daviemac]

She she still working for you?
I can’t see heron your website

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=264268.msg2702466#msg2702466